Rants and WTF are you talking about and Coronavirus!

[Gino02]

You were advocating stopping people at the FKK gates, even those Asians who may have been living in Germany for a while; in any case, if that Asian was already let loose in German society and assuming he is infected, he is already passing it along at the eateries, movies, bars etc but you specifically advocated stopping them at the FKK doors. I asked back then "why not stop all Chinese from coming over to western countries" but your sole interest was stopping them at FKKs and stopping all people with Asian look, not just Chinese citizens.

As far as establishments looking out for their own interest, that is just code speak for discrimination. Even if they stopped Asian looking people, some non Asian male could come inside, infect the girls and other gents. Italy was already well infected for example. Your red tape issue does not fly because if the government is indeed corrupt and letting in infected people from abroad, it is only a matter of time before locals get infected, come inside the clubs and pass the infection. So, your discriminatory recommendation was not truly a solution to protect the club at any time.

With Sweden, you are saying they were right to not have done distancing from the very beginning. As far as I know, they never put any restrictions in place now or earlier. You seem to approve it. You even cited Nobel's as proof. So, I am wondering how you square this admiration for having zero restrictions from the very beginning and your prior advocation for stopping Asian looking people specifically at FKKs.

Do you think countries are right to restrict people's movement now? Your own answer to it will give you answers (that you want to hear, not necessarily the correct answer) to all your questions above. Good luck.

[Sirioja]

Big, powerful, rich Bavaria is starting confining. Berlin, Koln, Frankfurt are closing on evening and night, LR is closing earlier. NL now prefer to confine for second wave, like Ireland, Wales, Liverpool, Catalunya after Madrid. Virus spreading everywhere at the moment and killing more than on Summer, with grippe also arriving. Facts and figures.

[Paulie97]

I don't believe anyone is going to ring a bell and announce "we achieved herd immunity, it is all clear now". In any case, it won't matter. The sign that most people will look for is declining daily and weekly positives. When those decline to very small numbers, people gain confidence and roam around, go on vacation and even FKKs, as they did in Europe. And if herd immunity is not truly reached and infections rise again, there will be hand wringing, a lot of back and forth mutual recriminations, and some amount of restrictions on mobility will happen; some of those restrictions may be imposed by higher ups, some are are voluntary. Some will be like HammerHammer "ignore the virus you fools, it is a nothingburger" types, and others will be "stay home and watch porn, print a hundred messages on ISG types."

We'll have "herd immunity" when there's a vaccine, and the wait for widespread access will not be much longer. Encouraging people to go out and get infected seeking herd immunity is a fool's errand that will lead to great numbers of unnecessary deaths and more instances where hospital systems are overwhelmed. Though popular in monger forums and at Trump rallies, no credible contagious disease specialists advocate for such nonsense. One of Trump's personal quacks does, but he's a radiologist and way outside his expertise.

As to your "Hammer Hammer" example, well, there's always going to be plenty of dumb people in the world. History testifies to that fact more than any other. Just look who managed to get elected president of the US in 2016, and I rest my case.

P.S. Reported cases of reinfection at this point are few and far between. It's possible that the vaccines will require a booster, like once a year or so.

[Pessimist]

Yeah, I don't think we need to stop Asians at the FKK doors for Covid-19 any more. There was a window of time early on when Asians, particularly people from China, should have been stopped to spread the virus, but that window of opportunity has long gone as most countries and establishments didn't do that fast enough and thus we all ended up in this global pandemic (as opposed to having it a localized issue). Now even Europeans cannot freely travel within Europe! But again, if any country or continent starts another new pathogen like Covid-19 or Ebola, all other countries and their establishments should immediately stop people coming from those areas to reduce the spread, it's a basic common sense and very simple to understand, I don't know why anyone would argue against that. Also then, every establishment (eg FKKs) should use their best judgment on who to stop (legally) for their business to survive, as opposed to simply waiting for Governments to dictate what to do; we all know that most Governments are full of red tapes and slow to act or react.

You were advocating stopping people at the FKK gates, even those Asians who may have been living in Germany for a while; in any case, if that Asian was already let loose in German society and assuming he is infected, he is already passing it along at the eateries, movies, bars etc but you specifically advocated stopping them at the FKK doors. I asked back then "why not stop all Chinese from coming over to western countries" but your sole interest was stopping them at FKKs and stopping all people with Asian look, not just Chinese citizens.

As far as establishments looking out for their own interest, that is just code speak for discrimination. Even if they stopped Asian looking people, some non Asian male could come inside, infect the girls and other gents. Italy was already well infected for example. Your red tape issue does not fly because if the government is indeed corrupt and letting in infected people from abroad, it is only a matter of time before locals get infected, come inside the clubs and pass the infection. So, your discriminatory recommendation was not truly a solution to protect the club at any time.

With Sweden, you are saying they were right to not have done distancing from the very beginning. As far as I know, they never put any restrictions in place now or earlier. You seem to approve it. You even cited Nobel's as proof. So, I am wondering how you square this admiration for having zero restrictions from the very beginning and your prior advocation for stopping Asian looking people specifically at FKKs.

[Pessimist]

Based on confirmed cases, Sweden does not seem close to herd immunity. For reference, both Sweden and Czech Republic have populations of 10 million. In the next day or two, Czech Republic will probably have double the number of infections as Sweden.

Czech Rep 203 K infections since start of pandemic. Sweden 107 K infections since start of pandemic.

Again, life sciences is not my area of expertise, far from it. But just using "common sense" (FWIW), herd immunity is an unclear subject with Covid-19. For example, the normally bandied about number is 60-70% population infection at which point it is expected that herd immunity has been achieved. At least based on what I read so far. But I don't know if that is the same % for every new virus outbreak?

Also, I read that a few people who had confirmed infections earlier tested positive again. I don't know if that has any impact on the likelihood of this herd immunity at that 60-70% cumulative infection. If a guy who has been infected previously can be infected again, where was the immunity? Granted, he may be one of the very few. I know people who took flu shots still can catch a mild flu. Will Covid-19 be like that? Experts can chime in. Not my subject.

Also, I don't know if herd immunity is a concept that you will only know has been achieved looking backwards. For example, while 8 M+ confirmed infections have been reported in US, I read that the actual is several times higher, perhaps 5 to 10 times higher. But that 5 to 10 times is an estimation, not a precise number. So, do we have 40 million silently infected or is it 80 million at this moment? If herd immunity is achieved at 2/3 of population, say 220 M; does it mean when the confirmed positives are 1/10 of it, ie. 22 M then we have achieved herd immunity? Or is it achieved when we are at 44 M confirmed positives?

I don't believe anyone is going to ring a bell and announce "we achieved herd immunity, it is all clear now". In any case, it won't matter. The sign that most people will look for is declining daily and weekly positives. When those decline to very small numbers, people gain confidence and roam around, go on vacation and even FKKs, as they did in Europe. And if herd immunity is not truly reached and infections rise again, there will be hand wringing, a lot of back and forth mutual recriminations, and some amount of restrictions on mobility will happen; some of those restrictions may be imposed by higher ups, some are are voluntary. Some will be like HammerHammer "ignore the virus you fools, it is a nothingburger" types, and others will be "stay home and watch porn, print a hundred messages on ISG types."

[HammerTime96]

My secret hope is virus miraculously mutates away, but that is probably a 0.001% chance, like winning a lottery. I constantly search for ways to stay in a better mood, which, in my case, translates to my sex life. I wonder how everybody else is coping with the current conditions as well as a long term perspective into the next year.

Good news for all the idiots hoping for a largely untested vaccine, some guy in Brazil just died after taking the vaccine: https://www.usnews.com/news/world/ar...authority-says.

"A source familiar with the matter told Reuters that the trial would have been suspended if the volunteer who died had received the COVID-19 vaccine, suggesting the person was part of the control group that was given a meningitis vaccine. ".

So this is what can happen when you give perfectly healthy people a completely unnecessary (in this case, meningitis) vaccine. Just wait until all the big pharma companies, their lobbyists, and corrupt health regulators, and incompetent politicians will unleash some barely tested CV19 "vaccine" onto the world.

More good news for the pro-vaxxers: https://www.reuters.com/article/heal...-idUSL4N2HC0QA.

Unless you're really old, very fat and have sever underlying illnesses, a better bet would be to hope for herd immunity.

Sweden has already almost achieved this. A stable amount of "cases" but very few deaths and hospitalisations. Hence: life is almost back to normal in Sweden, and if people in Germany hadn't panicked, things would have been back to normal here as well by now. FKKs would be running as usual, girls would not be unemployed and us men would be getting laid.

"Cases" are rising, case fatality rates are declining: https://ourworldindata.org/coronavir...pickerSort=asc.

Look at the number of Swedish "cases" which has been more or less stable for months, despite having a colder climate and an earlier start of the regular flu season than the rest of Europe: https://ourworldindata.org/coronavir...pickerSort=asc.

German numbers: https://qap.ecdc.europa.eu/public/ex...19-mobile.html#global-overview-tab.

During the last 14 days; cases 74676, deaths 313, cases per 100 k people: 89,95 and deaths per 100 k people: hold onto your seats, a spectacular 0,38!

[Pessimist]

Cheers, Pahllus! Great to know there are like-minded people. It's getting harder to find positive thoughts here and in other forums nowadays. Yours is an optimistic exception. Back in spring 2020 they had predictions that vaccines will be ready by fall. It kept me upbeat and I worked hard all summer hoping to relax my fall schedule and stack up 2 or 3 October-November trips to the FKK land. Yet September situation deteriorated gradually in US and everywhere in Europe. I now read news from Germany that vaccines, if approved early next year, will be widely available only much later, like summer or fall. I can only hope we get them sooner. I no longer read seriously USA media (headlines are enough) about vaccines altogether, they keep saying "in a couple of months" all the time, which I find useless.

My secret hope is virus miraculously mutates away, but that is probably a 0.001% chance, like winning a lottery. I constantly search for ways to stay in a better mood, which, in my case, translates to my sex life. I wonder how everybody else is coping with the current conditions as well as a long term perspective into the next year.

I am no virus expert, far from it, but the people I respect such as Dr Fauci, Bill Gates, some others that I read have always said from the beginning that a good vaccine is at least a year away if not longer.

"Back in spring 2020 they had predictions that vaccines will be ready by fall" -- whoever said that have never been credible. Of course I am not knowledgeable enough to know who is credible and who is not credible, as one needs to have even a modest knowledge to know who is an expert. But I fall back on the household names I know and have been believable, say Dr Sanjay Gupta, and I see who he respects, and say if that is Dr Fauci, then I go by what Dr Fauci thinks is a realistic expectation for vaccines. I simply respect Bill Gates, so that may be my personal problem but I respect him and he has invested billions of money in this area with purely an altruistic motive. All of those people never said a safe, effective vaccine is ready in 7 billion doses in 4 to 6 months.

Oh, there are certain politicians who have said vaccines will be ready before November 3. I personally think those politicians are even more clueless than I am, so there is that.

[Gino02]

No he doesn't "agree" with you. Sweden has been a disaster, killed 5000+ of it's citizens needlessly, 11 times the per capita death rate of it's neighbor Norway chasing herd immunity. Only a moron would argue for Sweden, but if you must, carry on. Wink.

Check Sweden's daily death rates for last 3 months, and compare that with rest of the Europe's per million population. Hopefully you will learn something new without name calling. Wink back at you.

[Gino02]

So, given that you now approve of Sweden's approach I assume you have changed your view on FKK door policies in February? Just to recap: back then, you repeatedly advocated that FKKs should deny admission to people with Asian look at the door. My view at that time was that a country should make its own policy on who to let in and who to deny visa stamp into the country, but once someone is inside the country and was free to visit shops, movie theaters, restaurants, concerts and grocery stores and bars, it was racist to deny them admission only to FKKs.

It is all in the past now, and of no consequence. But I find it curious that your view is now 180 deg turn from then: "no admission to a specific ethnic look demographic at the FKK doors" to "a country is absolutely right to never have done any restrictive admissions in any part of their economy from the very beginning".

Obviously, we all change and evolve our views and opinions but I am curious to see this change.

As for Swedes, they are nice people, I wish them the best. As I wish the best for all nations (even to commie China and its thug government that may have played a vile and evil role in the proliferation of this virus).

Yeah, I don't think we need to stop Asians at the FKK doors for Covid-19 any more. There was a window of time early on when Asians, particularly people from China, should have been stopped to spread the virus, but that window of opportunity has long gone as most countries and establishments didn't do that fast enough and thus we all ended up in this global pandemic (as opposed to having it a localized issue). Now even Europeans cannot freely travel within Europe! But again, if any country or continent starts another new pathogen like Covid-19 or Ebola, all other countries and their establishments should immediately stop people coming from those areas to reduce the spread, it's a basic common sense and very simple to understand, I don't know why anyone would argue against that. Also then, every establishment (eg FKKs) should use their best judgment on who to stop (legally) for their business to survive, as opposed to simply waiting for Governments to dictate what to do; we all know that most Governments are full of red tapes and slow to act or react.

[Pistons]

Meanwhile, a Brazilian in "the control group" (LOL? Right.) of the AstraZeneca vaccine final testing stage, just died.

[McAdonis]

No he doesn't "agree" with you. Sweden has been a disaster, killed 5000+ of it's citizens needlessly, 11 times the per capita death rate of it's neighbor Norway chasing herd immunity.

Based on confirmed cases, Sweden does not seem close to herd immunity. For reference, both Sweden and Czech Republic have populations of 10 million. In the next day or two, Czech Republic will probably have double the number of infections as Sweden.

Czech Rep 203 K infections since start of pandemic. Sweden 107 K infections since start of pandemic.

[Paulie97]

You basically agreed with me by the end of your post.

No he doesn't "agree" with you. Sweden has been a disaster, killed 5000+ of it's citizens needlessly, 11 times the per capita death rate of it's neighbor Norway chasing herd immunity. Only a moron would argue for Sweden, but if you must, carry on. Wink.

[Smoke Light]

They getting healthy people to get infected to test the vaccines efficacy. Please <insert deity may it work.

COVID has really reminded me just how short life is and just how lucky we are to travel the world and bang and huge choice of beautiful young women at an affordable price (compared to say marriage). Here I am stuck in USA sex prison of fat, expensive, tatoo plastered hos' with their princess attitudes and sleazy scene. Berlin has some awesome old school brothels with lovely rooms, a proper latte or cognac, and attentive staff, naturally spotlessly clean and for about EUR60 for 30 minutes. Feels more like a small boutique restaurant, but with hot women who will disrobe and blow your mind.

May the airlines survive; that there is a radical economic reconstruction period; that COVID ends and a room full of smiling, beautiful women may return.

Airlines and travel make for a much bigger set set of color crayons to enjoy life with.

Cheers, Pahllus! Great to know there are like-minded people. It's getting harder to find positive thoughts here and in other forums nowadays. Yours is an optimistic exception. Back in spring 2020 they had predictions that vaccines will be ready by fall. It kept me upbeat and I worked hard all summer hoping to relax my fall schedule and stack up 2 or 3 October-November trips to the FKK land. Yet September situation deteriorated gradually in US and everywhere in Europe. I now read news from Germany that vaccines, if approved early next year, will be widely available only much later, like summer or fall. I can only hope we get them sooner. I no longer read seriously USA media (headlines are enough) about vaccines altogether, they keep saying "in a couple of months" all the time, which I find useless.

My secret hope is virus miraculously mutates away, but that is probably a 0.001% chance, like winning a lottery. I constantly search for ways to stay in a better mood, which, in my case, translates to my sex life. I wonder how everybody else is coping with the current conditions as well as a long term perspective into the next year.

[Pessimist]

You basically agreed with me by the end of your post, thank you. We just came to the same conclusion "Sweden has handled the Coronavirus quite successfully for the longer term" via two different paths. If they weren't, the Swedes (including the scientists there who determine who gets the annual Nobel Prizes for various scientific fields) would have published against their government's chosen path. I haven't seen any, yet. These are pretty smart scientists compared to most of us arguing here LOL.

So, given that you now approve of Sweden's approach I assume you have changed your view on FKK door policies in February? Just to recap: back then, you repeatedly advocated that FKKs should deny admission to people with Asian look at the door. My view at that time was that a country should make its own policy on who to let in and who to deny visa stamp into the country, but once someone is inside the country and was free to visit shops, movie theaters, restaurants, concerts and grocery stores and bars, it was racist to deny them admission only to FKKs.

It is all in the past now, and of no consequence. But I find it curious that your view is now 180 deg turn from then: "no admission to a specific ethnic look demographic at the FKK doors" to "a country is absolutely right to never have done any restrictive admissions in any part of their economy from the very beginning".

Obviously, we all change and evolve our views and opinions but I am curious to see this change.

As for Swedes, they are nice people, I wish them the best. As I wish the best for all nations (even to commie China and its thug government that may have played a vile and evil role in the proliferation of this virus).

[Gino02]

Berlin on Tues reported 800+ new cases in one day, highest yet. Age distribution all over the place. Travelers thinking of Berlin should keep eye on this as good chance soon things will tighten up: https://www.berlin.de/en/news/coronavirus/.

Also CDC US study out shows excess deaths almost 50% above official Covid death count, and among highest excess increase is in 25-44 year old group. Shows also knock on effects of indirect causes and causes from delayed / deferred care of other diseases.
US is inept but data problems exist everywhere. https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/...cid=mm6942e2_w Of course it is CDC, they cherry pick data based on vibrations from blades RPMs on black helicopters en route to satanic child rituals, etc. Or maybe not.

Thanks for the update. Can you please update us on how Sweden is doing now?