Rants and WTF are you talking about and Coronavirus!

[Pessimist]

Maybe you are referring to Anja with the Albanian eagle tat on her back? She was a crazy girl, but a lot of fun. Every time I think of her brings me a big smile.

Could well be. I'm terrible with names but the girl I had in mind was in Sharks 2015 to 18, as I remember. I vaguely recall seeing her in some other club also but my mind could be playing tricks. In addition to forgetting names I sometimes also can't accurately place them unless I am standing real close and the lights are bright. A small change in hairstyle and other things throws me off. Oh well, who said they are all the same in the sack LOL.

[McAdonis]

Muslim states are very religious countries. Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Libya, Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria etc. You think these are peaceful countries? Well, go and live there.

Qatar and UAE are Muslim and are peaceful countries with low crime. On the Global Peace Index, Qatar ranks 31st, so more peaceful than many countries we typically characterize as peaceful (Spain, France, Italy, UK). Malaysia, which is majority Muslim, is even more peaceful occupying the 16th position.

For many of the poorest countries, over-population is sabotaging economic development. When the average girl has seven children, then things like safety nets or economic opportunities do not exist, and young boys fall through the cracks. These are not favorable demographics and what sociologists call "youth bulge". The people having the most children are often the poorest. This is true even in many ethnic ghettos in rich, developed countries. And the poorest are often the most religious. https://news.gallup.com/poll/142727/...t-nations.aspx.

Vietnam was war-like in the 1970's and peaceful now, let's look at their demographics over time: https://www.statista.com/statistics/...on-in-vietnam/.

Korea was war-like in the 1950's and peaceful now, let's look at their demographics over time: https://www.statista.com/statistics/...n-south-korea/.

[Pessimist]

I have been as careful as anyone, distancing carefully, hardly going out and wfh and all that; even eschewing sugarbabes despite the fact that they are available in easy distance and it takes all my strength to control the temptation. However, I don't understand what comes from criticizing Mr. Pay For It. Surely, a man has a choice what he wants to with his life. He is incredibly polite and is not asking anyone to follow his lead. There are other people (QHammerAnon8 ChanTime) who feel entitled and qualified to lecture the whole board and tell us that we should all hug and give CPR to proven covid infected current patients and dump all the covid vaccines into Boston harbor but that has not been Mr. Pay For It. For god's sake, this man is the epitome of rationality and courtesy. Frankly I am amazed at his grace in answering these pointed barbs patiently. I am working on my meditative techniques so that I can achieve his level of equanimity but so far I have just reached the level of John McEnroe.

[Mursenary]

I am* guessing you and Mursenary are friends hence you keep propping each other up. That is fine with me,*shouldn't have butted in. Peace.

Well this made me lose interest in the conversation and some respect for the debater as this low-blow comment reflects poor emotional and ego control. Sad as you've actually consistently made some pretty fair and logical posts in the past.

Yes, I do know McA but have disagreed with numerous of his assertions on a regular basis. On the flip, I also know Pistons and disagree with at least 50% of the things that he spews out.

[Rocky V]

There was that one girl a couple of years ago at Sharks who said she was Albanian but I found out she was Romanian after all. I should have been suspicious because she was chatting up with all the Romie girls LOL. Still she fooled me for a few days. Pretty girl, slim, dark hair, had a tattoo on shoulder back if I remember correctly. Good service.

I don't know why she needed to say she was Albanian rather than Romanian. Probably for the sake of those Mongers collecting wG nationalities. As far as I know, I haven't seen any bragging or pecking order that places Albania above Romania LOL.

Maybe you are referring to Anja with the Albanian eagle tat on her back? She was a crazy girl, but a lot of fun. Every time I think of her brings me a big smile.

[BrahmaPoutre]

In life, you have several type of people, the one who always needs law, regulations, measures to act, as long the possibility exist I do, why you don't smoke 10 box every day, don t drink 5 bottles of whisky every day and so on, the same just follow their most basic instincts, I want to enjoy as long I am alive and such kind of stupidity, and than you have another kind of people who try to make their own opinion, to balance plus and minuses who will not listen the government without criticism, who will not do even it is allowed who have a sense of responsibility. Sorry if you are not happy, knowing what I know today I don t believe it is the right time for me to visit prostitutes for many reasons but the most important is that I don t want to be a spreader of covid.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s2w9X_tHU7k

[Pessimist]

There was that one girl a couple of years ago at Sharks who said she was Albanian but I found out she was Romanian after all. I should have been suspicious because she was chatting up with all the Romie girls LOL. Still she fooled me for a few days. Pretty girl, slim, dark hair, had a tattoo on shoulder back if I remember correctly. Good service.

I don't know why she needed to say she was Albanian rather than Romanian. Probably for the sake of those Mongers collecting wG nationalities. As far as I know, I haven't seen any bragging or pecking order that places Albania above Romania LOL.

[Pessimist]

Moldavia mean more often Iasie than Chisinau. I like when girls tell me they come from deep Romania, rather than all from Bucharest city or Constanza.

You agree with Pistons that Girls from some specific cities like Iasi are prettier? Or do you prefer rural girls because they are less sophisticated and give better service than the ones from Bucharest? I admit I am not that good at observing such nuances.

[ExpatLover]

In life, you have several type of people, the one who always needs law, regulations, measures to act, as long the possibility exist I do, why you don't smoke 10 box every day, don t drink 5 bottles of whisky every day and so on, the same just follow their most basic instincts, I want to enjoy as long I am alive and such kind of stupidity, and than you have another kind of people who try to make their own opinion, to balance plus and minuses who will not listen the government without criticism, who will not do even it is allowed who have a sense of responsibility. Sorry if you are not happy, knowing what I know today I don t believe it is the right time for me to visit prostitutes for many reasons but the most important is that I don t want to be a spreader of covid.

[Nooky Ninja]

You are correct that we are all entitled to our views. But this is not the place for a debate about Covid. There is even a forum for it on ISG (which is sad in itself). So in the same way as it would not be right for me to now debate mongering in Thailand, or Dubai, or elsewhere in the Artemis thread, it is not appropriate for long sermons on the virus in the Artemis thread...Which therefore brings you to this choice: don't ever go into an FKK again, or decide you will do so. You say you are "missing it". That implies you think that you'll be ok to go next year...So back to the choice. Give up on FKKs entirely or not. That IS a choice for each person not for others. For me, I've made the decision that I want to enjoy my life to the full, as much as I possibly can, for however long I have left. That includes taking in the risk of attending FKKS whilst they exist. Who knows? This is another reason for me to decide to still attend. I don't know how long they can last at all. Whilst they do, I want to enjoy them...Having started this response with a comment that this thread should NOT be used for expression of opinions about the virus, I apologise for such a long post on just that topic!

Right. So no "sermons". But look at any "excess death" charts for many countries (over months not just one country over short summer month time), and you see Covid is much worse than influenza, and these excess projections still undercount. And you have no idea what is Ninja thinking -that "missing" means ok next year? Not even close. But biggest logical leap is one person only choose to live and be free for themselves. Nature of airborne pandemic: you are choosing for others, not just self. You may be immune but still spread it. Your "freedom" puts others at risk. Enough-will not explain concept of solidarity here.

People who read here and just see a few reports of fun in fucktown may miss big picture. Yesterday Berlin had almost 400 new cases-very big jump for us who live here and worry about many foreigners coming from high Covid countries or locals partying way too much because it is Berlin and they must be free to rave. Other German states now banning overnight stays for people coming from Berlin (including Westkreuz) -unclear how all to be enforced but seems if you come from certain Berlin districts, you now have to show test result to stay in other big German city. Situation is very fluid since yesterday. Wish we had different world, but "it is what it is". Things will tighten a lot more. Not going on and on about Covid ideas. Yes there is thread for this. Just that visitors must understand situation in Berlin. It is deteriorating. Last words, apart from ask doctor.

[BrahmaPoutre]

I agree with PayforIt and thanks for your useful reports here.

I wonder why all this drama here about this virus. Only less than 1 or 2 % of people die with this virus.

Of course, if we visit FKK then we have to be careful with the others, I will never visit old friends and if I go out then I wear mask to protect the others. So where is the problem!? I met a lot of girls since July every weekend, in Switzerland and in hotels in NRW and I work at home and I do not expose any risks to anybody I meet, so why should I stop visiting FKK? And all the others are also well informed that they have to be careful if they decide to take risks in FKK or with girls, and even old people have to be careful and should not accept any risky visits, so where is the problem.

[Pessimist]

People from historic Moldavia or Moldova does not like the partition of their historic country into 2 separate parts. Like the basques of Spain perhaps. Half is now a separate country, and half constitutes a third of what is now Romania.

The only thing the two parts of historic Moldova disagrees on is if they should be a country of their own, or a part of Romania since the language is in fact Romanian. A census done in the Romanian part shows they prefer to be a part of Romania (I bet because of EU). But a census in the country of Moldova shows they want their own independence (because no city likes to be ruled by another city in any country?

However, citizens of the country of Moldova can very easily get a Romanian passport if they want in a public office in Chisinau. Thus we get to see girls from both parts in FKK's.

I personally don't recall any girls from Craiova. Just the poster here on ISG.

But I may add Timisoara / Arad, Cluj Napoca, Brasov, Constanca, Iasi, Braila / Galati. I seem to have a high proportion of my top picks from Braila / Galati or Cluj (or on the north, maybe north east side of Cluj in smaller cities or towns there). Timisoara / Arad girls can seem more western, and some girls from there always lie about being Hungarian. But it seems to be less and less of them as Timisoara has a good economy. And some of the girls I have been with claim they have a mother from Iasi. I get a feeling there is this idea among Romanians that Iasi has the most beautiful girls. While others say Brasov perhaps due to Dracula or the culture there. But it seems Brasov has hot girls also. Like on I just was with last week. Exceptional girl.

Wow, you know your Romanian geography well. You also seem to pay attention to what they say. I ask where they are from in a perfunctory way but tbh I have no interest and am already forgetting what they said before they finish their sentence LOL. I can only remember girls' names if I have been with them several times and even then I am just as likely to confuse and mix up their names and after this long hiatus my memory for names is worse than ever LOL.

Seriously you think some Romanian cities send prettier girls in larger numbers than others do to FKKs? That is the first time I heard that theory.

[ShooBree]

EL can write what he wants and is very right to sound alarm. Otherwise people read thread think all "sort of" normal, with good experiences. Makes people miss good old days. Ninja miss them too.

But nothing is close to normal. It was more normal in June but has gotten much worse. Berlin going through very worrying period with very high "R" factor, and about 300 daily cases now 30 times higher than June average and is one of worst cities in Germany. And to say Corona like influenza, or that it kills more, either on fatality rate, total deaths per year, or rate of spread, or its other long term effects, simply not true. It not right time for FKK. Visit puts many others at risk. This is why argument "you decide on your life" is also wrong -you are also deciding for others, especially if you asymptomatic. Testing is only a little effective. City government debating much tighter regulations. Berlin has 3 indicator system with color code - this week R factor and rate per 100,000 went over "red" limits for first time together since May This big deal.

Say again, anyone thinking about FKK visit, make doctor test first. Explain exactly what you plan to do to private, describe inside situation with showers and rooms, number of men and girls, and ask private doctor if they think FKK visit ok. If you want to make decision, gather facts. Take politics out, take ISG views out. Just talk with doctor.

I laugh at you scaremongers, you're more likely to die in a traffic accident in Berlin than of COVID-19. Less than 10 persons dies per week in Berlin. COVID-19 is only dangerous to a few, many of them have already died and the others are in quarantine so there's no chance that Artemis visitors will infect them. Stop the scaremongering.

[Turgid]

You shifted the goalposts, at least as to the point made by other member, the same one I was commenting on. The criteria was violent crime, not acts of wars in select Muslim countries. And your Latin America thesis was blown to bits by myself and others. Maybe you'll make a go at that one as well.

Nice try. You shifted the goalposts so I brought things back to perspective. For your information the following is my first post that started the discussion:

"Sex gives peace of mind while lack of sex makes men irritable, edgy and aggressive. Men who have regular sex want peace. Men with high testosterone and full balls who do not enjoy coitus initiate wars. Very religious countries where intimate physical interaction between men and women is disapproved of are the most warlike countries. ".

Remember that post? Try again.

[PayForIt]

EL can write what he wants and is very right to sound alarm. Otherwise people read thread think all "sort of" normal, with good experiences. Makes people miss good old days. Ninja miss them too.

But nothing is close to normal. It was more normal in June but has gotten much worse. Berlin going through very worrying period with very high "R" factor, and about 300 daily cases now 30 times higher than June average and is one of worst cities in Germany. And to say Corona like influenza, or that it kills more, either on fatality rate, total deaths per year, or rate of spread, or its other long term effects, simply not true. It not right time for FKK. Visit puts many others at risk. This is why argument "you decide on your life" is also wrong -you are also deciding for others, especially if you asymptomatic. Testing is only a little effective. City government debating much tighter regulations. Berlin has 3 indicator system with color code - this week R factor and rate per 100,000 went over "red" limits for first time together since May This big deal.

Say again, anyone thinking about FKK visit, make doctor test first. Explain exactly what you plan to do to private, describe inside situation with showers and rooms, number of men and girls, and ask private doctor if they think FKK visit ok. If you want to make decision, gather facts. Take politics out, take ISG views out. Just talk with doctor.

You are correct that we are all entitled to our views. But this is not the place for a debate about Covid. There is even a forum for it on ISG (which is sad in itself). So in the same way as it would not be right for me to now debate mongering in Thailand, or Dubai, or elsewhere in the Artemis thread, it is not appropriate for long sermons on the virus in the Artemis thread.

You are quite wrong about influenza. It DOES kill far more than covid. See only one of many examples. In August. So 8 weeks ago, influenza was killing FIVE TIMES the amount of people in the UK than covid. And the UK is badly hit by covid. See https://www.theweek.co.uk/107790/flu...-than-covid-19.

So you are correct about the need to gather the facts. They are that influenza is a big killer. But we don't stop going to FKKs because we might catch it.

I do not say for one moment that continuing this hobby is without risks. It is. I respect that Covid is a big risk. But so is influenza and for many so are STIs. But we didn't historically avoid FKKs to avoid either.

I have massive concern and respect for the health of others. When I had the virus I completely isolated for 3 weeks (to make sure I didn't infect a single other person).

But the truth is that this virus is NOT going away. We are in the second wave. After many government panics around the world we will have more lockdowns. The numbers will drop. We will ease lockdowns and the numbers will swell into Wave 3, then 4 and so on. I am afraid we have to come to the final conclusion that life now includes a risk of dying from covid. As well as the more deadly influenza. Your doctor would tell you not to go to any FKK, not to go swimming, not to go to a gym, don't have a professional massage. They all carry risks of transmission of (various) infections (including but not limited to coronavirus).

Even when a vaccine comes it will not give 100% protection. https://www.statnews.com/2020/05/22/...g-their-power/.

Which therefore brings you to this choice: don't ever go into an FKK again, or decide you will do so. You say you are "missing it". That implies you think that you'll be ok to go next year. You won't my friend. Nothing will have changed. The virus is not going to disappear. In the history of mankind, we have only ever totally eradicated one human virus / disease. Smallpox - and it took over 2000 years. https://ourworldindata.org/smallpox-...ld-achieved-it.

So if you seriously think you will be going to FKKs in the next 10 years because Covid-19 has been eradicated, you are seriously mistaken. It will be a fact of life for the world in the years that every member of this forum has left.

Sorry to be the harbinger of doom in this respect but it is just a fact that we won't beat this in any of our lifetimes. We will get vaccines which help reduce. But not eradicate the risk.

So back to the choice. Give up on FKKs entirely or not. That IS a choice for each person not for others. For me, I've made the decision that I want to enjoy my life to the full, as much as I possibly can, for however long I have left. That includes taking in the risk of attending FKKS whilst they exist. Who knows? Maybe they will all close in the next 12 months because of government rules, or lack of attendance and money. If everyone follows your advice, and that of Expat lover, nobody will go and they will close for good. That will mean you are not "missing them" but will have to be happy just with your memories and no more.

This is another reason for me to decide to still attend. I don't know how long they can last at all. Whilst they do, I want to enjoy them.

Having started this response with a comment that this thread should NOT be used for expression of opinions about the virus, I apologise for such a long post on just that topic! If this is something folks want to debate it should be in the relevant FKK Coronavirus thread. In the meantime, I hope Artemis stays open, and I greatly look forward to reading reports of members who do decide to attend.

Stay safe, stay positive, but balance it all with enjoying however much life you have my friends. We cannot just all lock ourselves away forever. There is a risk of going on a plane, a bus, a train, driving, swimming in the sea, sunbathing, and going to gyms, shops and FKKs. I intend to do all of them for as long as I can!