Rants and WTF are you talking about and Coronavirus!

[McAdonis]

"People who feel powerless may also endorse conspiracy theories as they also help the individual avoid blame for their predicament. In this sense, conspiracy theories give a sense of meaning, security and control".

"Due to these individuals feeling alienated from their peers, they may also turn to conspiracist groups for a sense of belonging and community, or to marginalized subcultures. " -side note, participants in this hobby and thus this forum probably also fall under the marginalized subculture group making it more likely that you'll run into the psychological subgroup being discussed.

We belong to a monger subculture, yes, but I do not really see us as marginalized, other than our hobby not being universally legal. Do people on marijuana forums also pin the blame on an enemy, like a lot of us here blame the feminists? Isn't P6 difficult to find (or illegal) in most Muslim countries? Those places aren't known feminist strongholds. To me, mongering is something between a hobby and lifestyle. But I do not believe I am on this righteous path. Or that I am somehow more enlightened, and everyone else is a brainwashed, blue piller who fell for the deception of marriage.

And selfish. Self sacrifice is not a popular western practice. A little individual inconvenience for a greater common good seems to be asking too much for most western societies, particularly those of the British-American persuasion.

Wouldn't you have to convince the population to agree on a "greater common good" in the first place? British and Americans made sacrifices during WWII. No social media back then.

In my view, the weirdly political reactions to Corona in the west are concerning signs that our democratic systems are fraying at the edges. A strong democracy needs a mature and informed and rational population and some of the recent discussions in our society suggest that we have reasons to be concerned for sustainability of this.

Like Mursenary stated, Internet allows anyone to have a platform. A few decades ago, you had a few TV channels, and an oligarchy of influencers and gatekeepers (newscasters, Hollywood studios).

People who feel left behind may be more susceptible to radicalisation. Part of this is the fact that wages across the Western world for working class people have been stagnant for decades. Millennials graduated into the financial crisis in 2008 and now they are facing a second economic crisis.

How Many Americans Believe In Conspiracy Theories?

And while 40% of younger Americans believe the true rulers of the world are the superrich, only 24% of older Americans support this view.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/rainerzitelmann/2020/06/29/how-many-americans-believe-in-conspiracy-theories/#311300195e94.

[Paulie97]

In the end all views are subjective. One person's tried and tested theory may be another's conspiracy theory. In the long run what is required is honesty. People who are false and know that they are false are the greatest threat to the world.

More oppression and carnage in this world has resulted from people who sincerely believed falsehoods than anything else. Looks like you were napping in history class. Also hyper relativism, though a popuar fad at present is horseshit. Objective truth exists, and is commonly found in mathematics, the natural sciences, and in historical facts that can be readily established. There's also other examples.

Those who believe the current Covid conspiracy theories are typically sincere. And they never listen the other side because they are inoculated, are told that those who offer such contrary information are the bad guys.

[Turgid]

If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, it's a pejorative duck.

In a way, the advent of internet communication hinders a strong democracy. I don't think that western society, on average, has become less informed over the years, how could it? Information is more readily available. The problem is your latter condition, intellectual maturity. Digital communication has created many platforms in which people who share similar agendas can congregate and disseminate information, misinformation, or bias information, thus creating an environment that fosters pack / herd mentality. It's so much easier these days to form factions or coalitions because false information or flawed thought processes can spread so much quicker without being properly vetted. Unfortunately, people seem to quickly grasp to ideas that either quickly align with their prior thought process or in recent discussion here, sexy sounding conspiracy theories that may make one feel special or uniquely enlightened. It's all due to laziness of thought and unwillingness to individually vet the data and form one's own thought process. It has been my experience which is reinforced time and time again, that when intellectually challenged, people will always follow the path that requires the least amount of brainpower and personal reckoning.

In the end all views are subjective. One person's tried and tested theory may be another's conspiracy theory. In the long run what is required is honesty. People who are false and know that they are false are the greatest threat to the world.

[Sirioja]

When I first used the service of prostitutes in the 1970's I never used a condom and banged many bare backed. After AIDS condom use became normal. So it seems that post covid mask use condom for face is the new normal. So if after covid there is a new virus that infects through the entire body this would become the next normal: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=asouPYvrUtY.

I agree for condom and not only about but of course not to catch HIV because I m sure then I won t be anymore able to climb my mountains, a bit worst than falling in anemia, when exhausting body, and also I don t want a girl come to me and say: I have a little problem here about You. But sex without kissing is no interest for me, so I can t with mask, and also since confined, I increased my level of expectation, I don t want sex, I want much more, I want to dream, so I need beauty and even much more. After yesterday, even she is a elegant beauty, was always lovely with me, and a real pleasure to make her really cum with not the faintest doubt because you can t touch her then, but the prettiest girl at Globe, German but too much at work for me, even really good manners and more interesting than average to talk, despite really enjoyable in bed, but out of sex, she didn't make me dream for first time, and that s not enough for what I look for, have to find a new beauty able to make me dream, and of course with no mask, I enjoy too much oral. Very good point with this German, she uses very thin condom so could really feel inside her and when I finish she keeps me inside of her, I decide when I want to go out, but best pleasure is in my mind. Even a lovely, good mannered, sweet, sophisticated for look and body care beauty, but German at work. Even not same level for look and for sex, but I found Anna. Ro Wellcum more interesting as woman for how she improved for me, despite 2 German orgasmus yesterday.

[Mursenary]

And selfish. Self sacrifice is not a popular western practice. A little individual inconvenience for a greater common good seems to be asking too much for most western societies, particularly those of the British-American persuasion.

[Mursenary]

When you call something a conspiracy theory, you are already condemning the subscriber to that theory in a way. By definition, conspiracy theory is a pejorative and an insult. If one is a true conspiracy theorist, there is no reasoning with that person. Evidence, absence of absence, contradictory evidence are all supportive of his theory to such a person. Since you pointed to US conservatives, I will say a section of that group has the belief now that there is a deep state. You simply cannot argue with that theory because it is based on a faith. If Flynn is convicted in a court, it is because the court is part of deep state. If there is evidence presented in the court supportive of Flynn's guilt then the evidence itself is proof that deep state is behind all the sinister actions and is capable of producing fake evidence. If no evidence is presented, then it proves the existence of deep state in another way, and if an exculpatory evidence is presented to exonerate Flynn somehow, it is not merely a victory for Flynn personally but a huge setback for the deep state.

If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, it's a pejorative duck.

In my view, the weirdly political reactions to Corona in the west are concerning signs that our democratic systems are fraying at the edges. A strong democracy needs a mature and informed and rational population and some of the recent discussions in our society suggest that we have reasons to be concerned for sustainability of this.

In a way, the advent of internet communication hinders a strong democracy. I don't think that western society, on average, has become less informed over the years, how could it? Information is more readily available. The problem is your latter condition, intellectual maturity. Digital communication has created many platforms in which people who share similar agendas can congregate and disseminate information, misinformation, or bias information, thus creating an environment that fosters pack / herd mentality. It's so much easier these days to form factions or coalitions because false information or flawed thought processes can spread so much quicker without being properly vetted. Unfortunately, people seem to quickly grasp to ideas that either quickly align with their prior thought process or in recent discussion here, sexy sounding conspiracy theories that may make one feel special or uniquely enlightened. It's all due to laziness of thought and unwillingness to individually vet the data and form one's own thought process. It has been my experience which is reinforced time and time again, that when intellectually challenged, people will always follow the path that requires the least amount of brainpower and personal reckoning.

[Mursenary]

Its a no to discussing with you. I didn't pay attention to what you were writing. The same can be said about 20 quotations in your last post. Tldr.

Yes, not reading things to completion and thus understanding was already known. No need to reiterate said point.

[Paulie97]

When you call something a conspiracy theory, you are already condemning the subscriber to that theory in a way. By definition, conspiracy theory is a pejorative and an insult. If one is a true conspiracy theorist, there is no reasoning with that person. Evidence, absence of absence, contradictory evidence are all supportive of his theory to such a person. Since you pointed to US conservatives, I will say a section of that group has the belief now that there is a deep state. You simply cannot argue with that theory because it is based on a faith. If Flynn is convicted in a court, it is because the court is part of deep state. If there is evidence presented in the court supportive of Flynn's guilt then the evidence itself is proof that deep state is behind all the sinister actions and is capable of producing fake evidence. If no evidence is presented, then it proves the existence of deep state in another way, and if an exculpatory evidence is presented to exonerate Flynn somehow, it is not merely a victory for Flynn personally but a huge setback for the deep state.

In my view, the weirdly political reactions to Corona in the west are concerning signs that our democratic systems are fraying at the edges. A strong democracy needs a mature and informed and rational population and some of the recent discussions in our society suggest that we have reasons to be concerned for sustainability of this.

Very well stated.

[Pessimist]

There are varying degrees of skepticism. On the most extreme spectrum, you have conspiracy theorists. Who believe the coronavirus is a hoax. Others simply believe that the virus is real but the dangers have been greatly exaggerated. For some Americans who lean conservative, the virus was weaponized to destroy the economy and ruin Trump's chance at re-election. Some non-believers are apolitical but have a strong distrust of authority and the mainstream media. Their world revolves around the idea that a small group of elites, usually "big pharma", the government, or some other evil force is trying to create panic, and make the population easier to control, manipulate, and brainwash. I could maybe entertain the latter that idea. Throughout history, religions have sometimes been used to control and manipulate populations, if for instance, the king needed to get his subjects to support a war. Implausible but if the coronavirus is indeed a global conspiracy, it would be unprecedented in scale, with millions of collaborators. Nobody would grow a conscience and blow the whistle?

When you call something a conspiracy theory, you are already condemning the subscriber to that theory in a way. By definition, conspiracy theory is a pejorative and an insult. If one is a true conspiracy theorist, there is no reasoning with that person. Evidence, absence of absence, contradictory evidence are all supportive of his theory to such a person. Since you pointed to US conservatives, I will say a section of that group has the belief now that there is a deep state. You simply cannot argue with that theory because it is based on a faith. If Flynn is convicted in a court, it is because the court is part of deep state. If there is evidence presented in the court supportive of Flynn's guilt then the evidence itself is proof that deep state is behind all the sinister actions and is capable of producing fake evidence. If no evidence is presented, then it proves the existence of deep state in another way, and if an exculpatory evidence is presented to exonerate Flynn somehow, it is not merely a victory for Flynn personally but a huge setback for the deep state.

In my view, the weirdly political reactions to Corona in the west are concerning signs that our democratic systems are fraying at the edges. A strong democracy needs a mature and informed and rational population and some of the recent discussions in our society suggest that we have reasons to be concerned for sustainability of this.

[Pistons]

I'll take that as a no to having functional personal relationships.

Its a no to discussing with you. I didn't pay attention to what you were writing. The same can be said about 20 quotations in your last post. Tldr.

[Mursenary]

There are varying degrees of skepticism. On the most extreme spectrum, you have conspiracy theorists. Who believe the coronavirus is a hoax. Others simply believe that the virus is real but the dangers have been greatly exaggerated. For some Americans who lean conservative, the virus was weaponized to destroy the economy and ruin Trump's chance at re-election. Some non-believers are apolitical but have a strong distrust of authority and the mainstream media. Their world revolves around the idea that a small group of elites, usually "big pharma", the government, or some other evil force is trying to create panic, and make the population easier to control, manipulate, and brainwash. I could maybe entertain the latter that idea. Throughout history, religions have sometimes been used to control and manipulate populations, if for instance, the king needed to get his subjects to support a war. Implausible but if the coronavirus is indeed a global conspiracy, it would be unprecedented in scale, with millions of collaborators. Nobody would grow a conscience and blow the whistle?

From your descriptions, they all fall under the realm of conspiracy theorists. Healthy skepticism isn't a bad thing, but most of these guys here seem pretty sure of themselves while being convinced of surface level theories.

Intellectually lazy rather than intelligent:

"In terms of cognitive processes, people with stronger conspiracy beliefs are more likely to overestimate the likelihood of co-occurring events, to attribute intentionality where it is unlikely to exist, and to have lower levels of analytic thinking. ".

Makes a person feel special:

"People who believe in conspiracy theories can feel "special," in a positive sense, because they may feel that they are more informed than others about important social and political events. ".

"individual narcissism, or a grandiose idea of the self, is positively related to belief in conspiracy theories. ".

"paranoid thought mediates the relationship between individual narcissism and conspiracy beliefs. ".

"narcissism is positively correlated with need for uniqueness (Emmons, 1984) and here we showed that need for uniqueness is related to conspiracy belief. "

Is often socially isolated with feelings of inadequacy:

"People who feel powerless may also endorse conspiracy theories as they also help the individual avoid blame for their predicament. In this sense, conspiracy theories give a sense of meaning, security and control".

"Due to these individuals feeling alienated from their peers, they may also turn to conspiracist groups for a sense of belonging and community, or to marginalized subcultures. " -side note, participants in this hobby and thus this forum probably also fall under the marginalized subculture group making it more likely that you'll run into the psychological subgroup being discussed.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6396711/

https://www.sciencedirect.com/scienc...91886916303221

https://psycnet.apa.org/record/2017-30136-003

I may add that there is a positive correlation between psychological damage and the frequency in which someone is observed to consistently default to conspiracy theories rather than the person who has the one-off entertainment of a conspiracy theory here and there.

[Rocky V]

When I first used the service of prostitutes in the 1970's I never used a condom and banged many bare backed. After AIDS condom use became normal. So it seems that post covid mask use condom for face is the new normal. So if after covid there is a new virus that infects through the entire body this would become the next normal: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=asouPYvrUtY.

LOL, we are heading down that path!

[The Cane]

When I first used the service of prostitutes in the 1970's I never used a condom and banged many bare backed. After AIDS condom use became normal. So it seems that post covid mask use condom for face is the new normal. So if after covid there is a new virus that infects through the entire body this would become the next normal: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=asouPYvrUtY.

Getting naked is under the gun these days so to speak. I won't be returning to the scene unless and until all returns to "normal". That means no social distancing, no masks, and BBBJs. Not going to accept less than that, and prepared to wait it out for as long as it takes. So help me monger gods.

[Turgid]

......... but You can go to private Venezia in Saarland, You choose a girl, You go to room with mask, You have sex with mask and You leave the place. New safety for paid sex in Germany. I won't pay for this.

When I first used the service of prostitutes in the 1970's I never used a condom and banged many bare backed. After AIDS condom use became normal. So it seems that post covid mask use condom for face is the new normal. So if after covid there is a new virus that infects through the entire body this would become the next normal: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=asouPYvrUtY.

[Mursenary]

You really do seem hurt.

I'll take that as a no to having functional personal relationships.