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  1. #10972
    Quote Originally Posted by EscapeArtist  [View Original Post]
    2022.

    Paris to Frankfurt round trip is a little over 1000 km.

    An Audi S8 will use 10.2 L per 100 km when driving like a normal person on the autobahn but that drops significantly when the driver is an idiot driving at 300 kmph. To capitalize on ethanol E85, you'd have to get it in France as you can hardly find it in Germany and if you actually do find it, it costs as much as the other fuel types. Anyway, at best you get 0. 80 euro per liter in France for 100 L to travel 1000 km and you're paying at least 80 euro.

    2022 Tesla Mode S gets up to 675 km on it's 100 kWh battery which charges from 10 to 80% in 24 minutes on a super charger. That would be quite a long way to drive to go get bread and the same range as an Audi A4.

    Most people will charge their EVs at home for 0. 20 euro per kWh in France. A full 100 kWh charged at home would cost 20 euro and will get you over 600 km. Then you need another 70 kWh to get yourself the other 400 km. Well you can charge for free at hotels, Lidls, Aldis, etc so the return trip could possibly cost zero euros if take care of logistics. So a Model S from Paris to Frankfurt and back could cost only 20 euro of in-home electricity. But even at the highest current EV charging station prices, that's 0. 80 euro per kWh for the remaining 400 km. That would be 49, call it 50 euro. Add the original 20 euro it cost to charge at the house and you're looking at a maximum of 70 euro for a round trip Paris to Frankfurt and back in a Tesla Model S with a 20 minute charge time if paying to use a supercharger station or zero opportunity cost lost of time charging for free overnight at a hotel.

    And LOL at Hydrogen. "Everywhere around us". Chemistry and physics would have been helpful here. You don't just take hydrogen from air and put it in a tank. In fact there's hardly any hydrogen in the air at all. You make hydrogen fuel in 2 major ways. The clean way is by splitting water, a ridiculously energy expensive process that defeats the point. Know what the cheaper way is? Through the use of burning coal. Completely inefficient and expensive process. Then factor in the cost production.

    Then there's transporting hydrogen to every fuel station in a city. Do you have any idea how volatile hydrogen gas is? Of course you don't. It's literally 10 times more volatile than petrol gasoline. Ever heard of the Hindenburg? The Hydrogen Bomb? Do you know how much more volume hydrogen takes up? Transporting that to individual fuel stations all over a country is absurd.
    With any Tesla, on motorway, You will never drive 600 and not even 500 kms when a bit faster than a US snail and I don t even tell for climbing what I climb turning my legs. I would like to see Tesla battery climbing Stelvio, when pushing V8 to 7000 tours. Figures are only for 60 miles in US, but not for 130 in France, or legally free in Germany where my old lady could run 900 kms and exceptionnal V8 4. 2 breathing at home for more than 500 , when they are real cars, not a joke polluting from producing batteries and when they are off, dead. On french motorway, fast recharge is 14€/100 kms when I couldn t even go to ski or climbing without stopping to recharge, what a waste of time and more expensive than bioethanol and even gasoil, so I will save my money and time driving in a real car my few kilometers weekly in a elegant beauty as what I m used to, with what a sound of thunder, and I m pretty sure will run for longer than plastic Tesla or MG. Really not same quality for cars. Each one own standard, same like for girls. Yes, not electricity we miss but hydrogen is future for locomotion, other than legs, but not many are able to turn. It was topic on Paris cars show on this month. Only bad point, when I bought to save money with 0,7€/ l bioethanol and sometimes less, when gasoil exploded like Sharks rates on March, and for pleasure to drive a real beautiful car with exceptionnal noble engine when You know a bit about mechanic, no enhancing like turbo or compressor which would be like silicon, all full natural, but I m already a bit bored women in my company want to see, asking to start engine when seeing behind and even to take them when going somewhere, when I chose for me, my bicycle and my skis, I can t put in 964 . One telling: You don t have parking camera? What for? But she liked engine sound increased by Fochesato. When even older than my beloved old lady I will keep on driving.

  2. #10971
    Quote Originally Posted by EscapeArtist  [View Original Post]
    To capitalize on ethanol E85
    Depending how it is produced, the ecological balance of bio ethanol is not that great. It's better than gasoline, but not by orders of magnitude. Bio ethanol produced out of sugar cane is used on a large scale in Brasil since the 80's. One could argue that flexi fuel engines are not that much of a technological marvel, heck even the Ford model T could run on gasoline or ethanol.

  3. #10970
    Quote Originally Posted by EscapeArtist  [View Original Post]
    Recent Saudi actions regarding production could have easily been predicted. Saudi Arabia has been purchasing cheap Russian oil for months now. As such, a decrease in production was expected as they are using Russian oil to fuel domestic needs and producing less for export. That is a prudent move to keep prices stable considering the destabilization effects of low Russian prices. Crude oil prices have not moved proportionately to their announcement because due to import of Russian oil, a decrease in production will not yield a proportional decrease in export of oil.

    Overblown political rhetoric that the Saudi monarchy is loving as it makes them appear more powerful than they are.
    Had OPEC not announced the production cut, crude oil prices would probably be lower than they currently are. So I interpret the production cut as a preemptive strike to keep the prices at the current level or higher (although most forecasters still expect the prices to return to $100 a barrel in the near term). China is the world's biggest crude oil importer and so once post-lockdown economic activity resumes, we should see the effects of the reduction in global supply on prices.

    Biden threatened "consequences" for the Saudi monarchy. And he has aggressively announced he will release more barrels from the Strategic Petroleum Reserve ahead of midterms. There are some media reports that he asked the Saudi monarchy to postpone the announcement until after the midterms. And so the Saudis refused to bow to Biden pressure and did the exact opposite of what the Biden administration wanted. An increase in oil production obviously makes no sense for Saudis as they know interest rate hikes will lead to an economic slowdown which would lead to reduced global oil demand, but the Saudis would have at least considered it anyway if the USA had the Saudis by the short and curlies (as Turgid puts it).

  4. #10969

    Apples to Apples

    Quote Originally Posted by Sirioja  [View Original Post]
    On french motorway, to recharge electric is about 50% more expensive than diesel in my old lady or my ecologic exceptionnal V8 , and how could I drive Paris Dortmund Bern Prato Stelvio Paris in 2 days with a Tesla or Chinese MG which are just to go to buy bread, when I will aim close to 300 with french ecologic bioethanol, when big pollution in China about batteries. In Paris cars event, hydrogen cars were shown and wish this time because not new, it will work, because real future for locomotion, when everywhere around us,
    Quote Originally Posted by DrPoon  [View Original Post]
    Elon M. Is an idiot. Who wants to sit around for ten hours as opposed to five minutes filling up a tank and taking a leak?
    2022.

    Paris to Frankfurt round trip is a little over 1000 km.

    An Audi S8 will use 10.2 L per 100 km when driving like a normal person on the autobahn but that drops significantly when the driver is an idiot driving at 300 kmph. To capitalize on ethanol E85, you'd have to get it in France as you can hardly find it in Germany and if you actually do find it, it costs as much as the other fuel types. Anyway, at best you get 0. 80 euro per liter in France for 100 L to travel 1000 km and you're paying at least 80 euro.

    2022 Tesla Mode S gets up to 675 km on it's 100 kWh battery which charges from 10 to 80% in 24 minutes on a super charger. That would be quite a long way to drive to go get bread and the same range as an Audi A4.

    Most people will charge their EVs at home for 0. 20 euro per kWh in France. A full 100 kWh charged at home would cost 20 euro and will get you over 600 km. Then you need another 70 kWh to get yourself the other 400 km. Well you can charge for free at hotels, Lidls, Aldis, etc so the return trip could possibly cost zero euros if take care of logistics. So a Model S from Paris to Frankfurt and back could cost only 20 euro of in-home electricity. But even at the highest current EV charging station prices, that's 0. 80 euro per kWh for the remaining 400 km. That would be 49, call it 50 euro. Add the original 20 euro it cost to charge at the house and you're looking at a maximum of 70 euro for a round trip Paris to Frankfurt and back in a Tesla Model S with a 20 minute charge time if paying to use a supercharger station or zero opportunity cost lost of time charging for free overnight at a hotel.

    And LOL at Hydrogen. "Everywhere around us". Chemistry and physics would have been helpful here. You don't just take hydrogen from air and put it in a tank. In fact there's hardly any hydrogen in the air at all. You make hydrogen fuel in 2 major ways. The clean way is by splitting water, a ridiculously energy expensive process that defeats the point. Know what the cheaper way is? Through the use of burning coal. Completely inefficient and expensive process. Then factor in the cost production.

    Then there's transporting hydrogen to every fuel station in a city. Do you have any idea how volatile hydrogen gas is? Of course you don't. It's literally 10 times more volatile than petrol gasoline. Ever heard of the Hindenburg? The Hydrogen Bomb? Do you know how much more volume hydrogen takes up? Transporting that to individual fuel stations all over a country is absurd.

  5. #10968
    Quote Originally Posted by DrPoon  [View Original Post]
    Elon M. Is an idiot. Who wants to sit around for ten hours as opposed to five minutes filling up a tank and taking a leak?
    Elon Musk is not an idiot in the sense of being stupid. But he is in it for the money. Not for the good.

    He names his company Tesla after the famous inventor Nicola Tesla, but he dispises how Nicola Teslas mind worked. Trying to give everyone free energy. Elon is an idiot in the way he compared himself more to the douchebag that was Thomas Edison. Who wanted to capitalize on everything, and making people into slaves.

    You also see it with Elons rethorics regarding AI and Neurallink. He claims we should fear AI since it will become smarter than us. And then he creates a company called Neurallink in order to make AI think like humans, just way faster and smarter. So he is creating in essence what he is fearmongering.

    Much the same use of rethorics as our Thai American resident here on ISG. The difference is just that Elon is well aware, while our Thai American here is blissfully unaware.

  6. #10967
    Quote Originally Posted by EscapeArtist  [View Original Post]
    This is what a person who has no concept of how physics works thinks. Likely the writings of someone familiar with terms like "Quantum" etcetera, but no actual understanding of actual "quantum" anything. Aka a poser who tries to sound smart but is actually an imbecile.

    A mentor once told me, "Don't confuse familiarity with competence.
    In rhetoric's we say that when someone has to state that they are not doing something. Out of nowhere, where nobody asked them about it. Then they are usually trying to cover over exactly what they are doing.

    In your case that of being an inbecile yourself.

    This is basic rethorical psychology.

  7. #10966
    Quote Originally Posted by DrPoon  [View Original Post]
    Elon M. Is an idiot. Who wants to sit around for ten hours as opposed to five minutes filling up a tank and taking a leak?
    Not at all idiot when he would sell us our own shit still warm. Putin is crazy idiot. UK be Johnson who may be back, also. UK are on medusa ship, lost for their economy after brexit.

  8. #10965
    Quote Originally Posted by DrPoon  [View Original Post]
    Elon M. Is an idiot. Who wants to sit around for ten hours as opposed to five minutes filling up a tank and taking a leak?
    He has Asperger's. Literally a medical condition that he claims.

    Also, are you an alias of HammerTime? Writing is different but fundamentals of thought processes are quite similar if not mirror images. Maybe just attended the same Klan meetings?

  9. #10964
    Quote Originally Posted by Pistons  [View Original Post]
    Well, when the world runs out of natural resources we are pretty fucked. In ages past, what we did was to deform the world again by uplifting and changing the geology of the planet. Only then could new resources from deep within come up towards the surface. The zenneck surface wave was used, and we can technically do the same today already. It is what Nicola Tesla was toying with. And this was how we had the great flood of Noah, and how Atlantis sank. Though they didn't use a ship, but a spaceship. Elon Musk might be the Noah of our age.
    This is what a person who has no concept of how physics works thinks. Likely the writings of someone familiar with terms like "Quantum" etcetera, but no actual understanding of actual "quantum" anything. Aka a poser who tries to sound smart but is actually an imbecile.

    A mentor once told me, "Don't confuse familiarity with competence."

  10. #10963
    Quote Originally Posted by DrPoon  [View Original Post]
    Elon M. Is an idiot. Who wants to sit around for ten hours as opposed to five minutes filling up a tank and taking a leak?
    On french motorway, to recharge electric is about 50% more expensive than diesel in my old lady or my ecologic exceptionnal V8 , and how could I drive Paris Dortmund Bern Prato Stelvio Paris in 2 days with a Tesla or Chinese MG which are just to go to buy bread, when I will aim close to 300 with french ecologic bioethanol, when big pollution in China about batteries. In Paris cars event, hydrogen cars were shown and wish this time because not new, it will work, because real future for locomotion, when everywhere around us, when lack of electricity when very cold. When France will help Germany for gaz, but we will need electricity from Germany when many of our nuclear factories are off for service for this Winter and Germany make big pollution to make electricity.

  11. #10962

  12. #10961
    Quote Originally Posted by Pistons  [View Original Post]
    Well, when the world runs out of natural resources we are pretty fucked. In ages past, what we did was to deform the world again by uplifting and changing the geology of the planet. Only then could new resources from deep within come up towards the surface. The zenneck surface wave was used, and we can technically do the same today already. It is what Nicola Tesla was toying with. And this was how we had the great flood of Noah, and how Atlantis sank. Though they didn't use a ship, but a spaceship. Elon Musk might be the Noah of our age.
    Elon M. Is an idiot. Who wants to sit around for ten hours as opposed to five minutes filling up a tank and taking a leak?

  13. #10960
    Quote Originally Posted by DrPoon  [View Original Post]
    They have 220,000 right now. In 12 days the rest of them will be fully trained in their two week course. Assign some Wagner operators and Russian special forces to supervise and further teach the new soldiers to make sure they don't get any ideas about defecting.
    Fully trained soldiers in 12 days. Let me guess, your military training is from some youtube videos.

  14. #10959
    Since 8 months, resisting to big Russian army, Ukrainians have big courage and pride. When they protect Eastern Europe like Poland, or Romania / Moldavia, they have all my respect, but I m afraid they will suffer a lot in cold Winter.

  15. #10958
    Well, when the world runs out of natural resources we are pretty fucked. In ages past, what we did was to deform the world again by uplifting and changing the geology of the planet. Only then could new resources from deep within come up towards the surface. The zenneck surface wave was used, and we can technically do the same today already. It is what Nicola Tesla was toying with. And this was how we had the great flood of Noah, and how Atlantis sank. Though they didn't use a ship, but a spaceship. Elon Musk might be the Noah of our age.

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