Rants and WTF are you talking about and Coronavirus!

[Rocky V]

Let me guess? You work for a big pharma corporation or Bill Gates?

You can perfectly study and have a career in bio-medicine without the support of pharma or Bill Gates, who I have never had the pleasure to meet.

There have been plenty of cases where big pharma corporations lied or manipulated 'studies' in order to get their medications and vaccines approved by regulators and push it to the unsuspecting public. There is a HUGE conflict of interest.

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2018...-spark-ethical

Pharma is not a perfect system and corruption is endemic in human society. However, things are not always black or white but they can also be grey. The development of pharmaceuticals and new medical technologies (CRISPR, etc.) would have never been possible without the funding of pharma. This is because governments around the world are now more interested in spending their resources in the military rather than in scientific research.

So now we have all those "experts" on TV telling us 24 hours per day that vaccines are "safe," and of course you won't hear ANY critical voices in the mainstream media of people who warn about possible side effects.

We should never consider anything completely 'safe' but, as I explained is always a judgement of risk and benefits. There will always be side effects. Even when you take paracetamol you get side effects in the liver, which you may not sense at all. Even herbal teas can be toxic if the herbs are harvested in the wrong time of the year, where they produce toxins against seasonal parasites.

What really scares me is that some people are so desperate (addicted?) to visit a German FKK club that they are willing to give up their entire privacy (tracking apps) and even cry for a rushed and barely tested and controversial RNA vaccine so that they can fuck some pussy.

These are two different issues, but we get track anyway by Google every time we drive or walk somewhere with google apps and nobody knows where that information is finally stored. Side effects of vaccines are usually mild, and we even breathe and swallow viral RNA every day we go outside, but this does not stop us from doing it.

On a larger scale, how did the human race ever survive thousands of years without vaccines? Since the outbreak in January, now 18 million people have been infected, and roughly 700 k have died. https://www.worldometers.info/corona...us-death-toll/.

Sure, +- 700 k people is a lot, but please put things into perspective: every year +- 57 million people die (see WHO link below) and compared to the Spanish Flu of 1918 (17-50 million deaths) this COVID-19 is not serious at all.

https://www.who.int/news-room/fact-s...auses-of-death

Very good questions and I'd love to talk to you about past pandemics. The pandemic in the 1300 is estimated to have killed 35% of European population and came in different waves. Some people survived because they managed to build immunity and those genetic traits were passed on down to the subsequent generations and some others survived the following waves maybe because of the virus weakened and it only caused mild symptoms. This is what has happened with the Spanish flu. We still get infected with the Spanish flu, but most don't die from it anymore because the virus has weakened and it only causes flu-like symptoms.

What we see is that the world now is run by fragile Snowflakes who are easily scared by the mainstream media about a "virus" with "x-million cases" and "a need for a vaccine," and cry for the government and big corporations to rule their lives.

What alternative media do you follow and how do you know it is genuine? Is it because they tell you things you really want to hear? Everyone has a role in this world. I don't see the same animosity towards the aerospace industry, road safety, food safety, building safety etc. Those are also industries that have been running our lives to increase our life standards. Look up what the average life expectancy was at the beginning of 1900, or how many house fires occurred every day, or how many people got poisoned by food they were buying at the stores.

I really don't see how letting the government and big corporations run your lives can, in the long run, be positive for the P6 industry, an industry that traditionally has been full of independent minded people. Most prostitutes are independent business women in charge of their own body, and most customers are earning their own money and want to decide themselves on how to spend it.

See above.

[Mursenary]

So now we have all those "experts" on TV telling us 24 hours per day that vaccines are "safe," and of course you won't hear ANY critical voices in the mainstream media of people who warn about possible side effects.
On a larger scale, how did the human race ever survive thousands of years without vaccines? Since the outbreak in January, now 18 million people have been infected, and roughly 700 k have died.

Sure we survived, just til an average of 40. Damn you science and your preventative methods causing our life expectancy to nearly double in 150 years. Damn you medicine and your life saving vaccines! LOL.

Sure, +- 700 k people is a lot, but please put things into perspective: every year +- 57 million people die (see WHO link below) and compared to the Spanish Flu of 1918 (17-50 million deaths) this COVID-19 is not serious at all.
What we see is that the world now is run by fragile Snowflakes who are easily scared by the mainstream media about a "virus" with "x-million cases" and "a need for a vaccine," and cry for the government and big corporations to rule their lives.

Do you realize that in 1918, we didn't have things like ventilators, defibrillators, high flow oxygen, respiratory therapists, doctors who are specialists, anesthesia for surgery, 5th generation antibiotics, cardiac monitoring, vasoactive drugs, antiviral medication, etc. What a silly comparison.

[HammerTime96]

I have a PhD in Molecular Medicine, so nobody is trying to make me believe in something. I just know!

Let me guess? You work for a big pharma corporation or Bill Gates?

There have been plenty of cases where big pharma corporations lied or manipulated 'studies' in order to get their medications and vaccines approved by regulators and push it to the unsuspecting public. There is a HUGE conflict of interest.

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2018...-spark-ethical

So now we have all those "experts" on TV telling us 24 hours per day that vaccines are "safe," and of course you won't hear ANY critical voices in the mainstream media of people who warn about possible side effects.

What really scares me is that some people are so desperate (addicted?) to visit a German FKK club that they are willing to give up their entire privacy (tracking apps) and even cry for a rushed and barely tested and controversial RNA vaccine so that they can fuck some pussy.

On a larger scale, how did the human race ever survive thousands of years without vaccines? Since the outbreak in January, now 18 million people have been infected, and roughly 700 k have died. https://www.worldometers.info/corona...us-death-toll/.

Sure, +- 700 k people is a lot, but please put things into perspective: every year +- 57 million people die (see WHO link below) and compared to the Spanish Flu of 1918 (17-50 million deaths) this COVID-19 is not serious at all.

https://www.who.int/news-room/fact-s...auses-of-death

What we see is that the world now is run by fragile Snowflakes who are easily scared by the mainstream media about a "virus" with "x-million cases" and "a need for a vaccine," and cry for the government and big corporations to rule their lives.

I really don't see how letting the government and big corporations run your lives can, in the long run, be positive for the P6 industry, an industry that traditionally has been full of independent minded people. Most prostitutes are independent business women in charge of their own body, and most customers are earning their own money and want to decide themselves on how to spend it.

[Rick Rock]

To all those wondering, I don't think there will be any return to normalcy in the mongering scene before there's a vaccine, at least in Germany.

This will require a year and a half or so. It is a long time and we all hate it. But safety first, no?

I don't think any of you would want to get infected by COVID through an asymptomatic sex worker, bar tender or customer.

While I am not looking forward to it, I wouldn't mind getting infected since the CDC's latest report says the morbidity rate is about 0. 002.

Of course I am not elderly, chronically ill, or overweight.

After all, I fuck prostitutes in countries like Thailand where a huge percentage of them has HIV.

But you're right about the "return to normalcy. " People simply haven't woken up, but the reality is that it's going to be a very long time before anything like an FKK reopens. Years in fact. Probably many years, and then there will be permanent changes that are too far gone to reverse.

I wouldn't hold my breathe for an effective vaccine.

If they ever make one that is actually effective (unlike the flu shot) it would be next to impossible to create and distribute 8 billion doses across 200 countries in a reasonable amount of time. It's just not going to happen.

Especially when 25 percent of people say they won't take the vaccine anyway.

[Mursenary]

I have a PhD in Molecular Medicine, so nobody is trying to make me believe in something. I just know!

As with any pharmaceuticals there are health risks and side effects. What is important is the balance between risks and benefits. You wouldn't think twice about crossing a bridge, that has 1 in 40,000 chances of collapsing, so why wouldn't you feel the same about vaccines. In the past (60-70 years ago) vaccines preparations used to contain mercury, which can be extremely toxic. Now the vaccine preparations contain very safe compounds.

OK, there is some confusion here. Vaccines are not cells, but just part of viruses. Viruses are a mix of proteins and genetic material and cannot replicate unless they enter a host cell and use the cell's replicating machinery to multiply. A way of producing vaccines is to identify the protein that the virus uses to attach to the host cell in order to enter inside and use that to instruct the immune system to produce antibodies against a vital part of the virus. Another way is to produce antibodies against the virus and inoculate those into patients, this is usually made by purifying antibodies from the plasma of people, who have recovered. This way may have more side effects and it is actually the original way people discovered the immune response.

I'm glad someone pointed out the absurd assertions made in those posts. Google University has a way of producing internet doctors who gain some rudimentary familiarity about a subject matter but absolutely no understanding, so they well, get the beans stuck above the frank.

That being said, I'll go ahead and call bullshit on the phd on molecular medicine as even a 1st year medical student would know that live attenuated and whole cell vaccines are made from microbes whose pathogenicity has been removed. Mumps, measles, pertussis, varicella, etc.

[Samplerr]

I have a PhD in Molecular Medicine, so nobody is trying to make me believe in something. I just know!

Fair enough!

[VonderJohn]

To all those wondering, I don't think there will be any return to normalcy in the mongering scene before there's a vaccine, at least in Germany.

This will require a year and a half or so. It is a long time and we all hate it. But safety first, no?

I don't think any of you would want to get infected by COVID through an asymptomatic sex worker, bar tender or customer.

[Rocky V]

That is what they want you to believe. And what they pay the lobbyists to have them work at making you believe. From rewriting curriculum's, talking to the media, and having meetings with politicians.

I have a PhD in Molecular Medicine, so nobody is trying to make me believe in something. I just know!

As the other guy here mentions. Yes, there are pros and cons. And it is a risk we all have to take ourselves. But the truth behind vaccines and how they really is something far less than a percent of the populace really know. Even most doctors are clueless. Because even their curriculum usually has it wrong.

As with any pharmaceuticals there are health risks and side effects. What is important is the balance between risks and benefits. You wouldn't think twice about crossing a bridge, that has 1 in 40,000 chances of collapsing, so why wouldn't you feel the same about vaccines. In the past (60-70 years ago) vaccines preparations used to contain mercury, which can be extremely toxic. Now the vaccine preparations contain very safe compounds.

Many vaccines focus on part of the cells that attach to human cells. And when they do, the vaccine cells also attach to human cells. And that always leads to complications. And always long term. There are some antibodies being made to fight 'vaccine cells', but then your immune system gets under pressure long term also. Leaving you more susceptible to other diseases instead.

OK, there is some confusion here. Vaccines are not cells, but just part of viruses. Viruses are a mix of proteins and genetic material and cannot replicate unless they enter a host cell and use the cell's replicating machinery to multiply. A way of producing vaccines is to identify the protein that the virus uses to attach to the host cell in order to enter inside and use that to instruct the immune system to produce antibodies against a vital part of the virus. Another way is to produce antibodies against the virus and inoculate those into patients, this is usually made by purifying antibodies from the plasma of people, who have recovered. This way may have more side effects and it is actually the original way people discovered the immune response.

[Pistons]

I guess what I am trying to say is:

Most people still use windows, but the pros try to avoid it, and stuck with Linux for years.

[Pistons]

Some vaccines can also confuse the immune system because the injected cells are unnatural. So you get all these autoimmune diseases and hyper-responses from the immune system instead. Like a computer virus giving you error messages constantly. Something is wrong, so it sends out the soldiers. And too many, but they don't always find what they were sent out to fight.

And then there the hormonal implications of vaccines as well. Messing with hormonal balance in your body.

In other words, the human body is way way way more complicated for scientists of today to mess around with and inject cells that the body cannot ever completely cure. Because that is what a vaccine is.

It is like an injected Windows virus. Inserted only to give you these constant annoying error messages. But it doesn't do much more than that. But you have to click on the error box sometimes, or fight those blue screens.

[Pistons]

Vaccines actually cause very few side effects, which are mostly short-lived, because they are 'passive' pharmaceuticals. They are administered to serve as 'baits' in order to trigger a natural immune response and make use resistant to a particular virus or bacterial pathogen. I agree with your comments about prices and profits, but the success of pharma companies and the high prices for vaccines were actually self-inflicted by the Western World. If you cut funds for academic research you create a business niche for private companies to exploit. This is why we will never have another Dr Jonas Salk (who discovered the polio vaccine and made if free to everyone) until governments decide to start funding medical research instead of the military.

That is what they want you to believe. And what they pay the lobbyists to have them work at making you believe. From rewriting curriculum's, talking to the media, and having meetings with politicians.

As the other guy here mentions. Yes, there are pros and cons. And it is a risk we all have to take ourselves. But the truth behind vaccines and how they really is something far less than a percent of the populace really know. Even most doctors are clueless. Because even their curriculum usually has it wrong.

Many vaccines focus on part of the cells that attach to human cells. And when they do, the vaccine cells also attach to human cells. And that always leads to complications. And always long term. There are some antibodies being made to fight 'vaccine cells', but then you immune system gets under pressure long term also. Leaving you more susceptible to other diseases instead.

[Polyamorist]

Salaam zusammen,

I just watched this Coronavirus Update from the Trump White House. I have to admit I was surprised and even a little impressed by the sober and self-critical tone.

https://www.facebook.com/thejuicemed...4549878724905/

[McAdonis]

Some protests against cv-19 restrictions in Germany and counter protests: https://youtu.be/3F2i0wDCfug.

[Adindas]

Do you think the truth is any better in the west?

It is all an information war. And the $ is all that matters. Most vaccines have always been full of side effects. Otherwise they would not even have worked. But lobbyists have made it so the vaccine companies are removed from any collateral. The state takes all the responsibility. Vaccine companies and drug makers are the largest sector globally paying for lobbyists. Bigger than oil And, bigger than the military. And this is why.

The COVID-19 vaccine development is unprecedented. In general circumstances, it will need about 4-5 years to be fully tested. Is it what the people want to and how many would have died by then?? Business and economic collapse. How many businesses will go into administration by then ?? How many people will lose their job by then

From our point of view as punters, How many FKKs, GB party, Partytreffs, Brothels, would have closed by then ? How many WGs would have lost their job by then ? We do not like that do we ??

Any unprecedented event needs to be matched with unprecedented response. So, it is reasonable to expect that the vaccine developers will need to be exempted from prosecution. Otherwise the people who have sacrificed their life, the people who work day and night to combat this pandemic will be wasted. Thinks about the researchers, volunteers, nurses, down. elderly who are more at risk and of course citizen of the world. And of course us punters and WGs. We have suffered a lot from this lock down. Instead the greedy lawyers will take advantage of the crisis.

Also keep in mind it is the government of the country who order the vaccine even before it has been fully tested and approved. No government have been forced to do that. It is the individual government choice. The choice is clear do you want a normal response where you could prosecute the company behind the vaccine? Then Wait 4-5 years. Otherwise you have to exempt the company behind from the prosecution.

Also no one has been forced to get the COVID-19 jab, each individual maintains personal right to refuse to get jabbed, to wait whenever they feel safer to do so. It is your choice.

[Rocky V]

Do you think the truth is any better in the west?

It is all an information war. And the $ is all that matters. Most vaccines have always been full of side effects. Otherwise they would not even have worked. But lobbyists have made it so the vaccine companies are removed from any collateral. The state takes all the responsibility. Vaccine companies and drug makers are the largest sector globally paying for lobbyists. Bigger than oil And, bigger than the military. And this is why.

Vaccines actually cause very few side effects, which are mostly short-lived, because they are 'passive' pharmaceuticals. They are administered to serve as 'baits' in order to trigger a natural immune response and make use resistant to a particular virus or bacterial pathogen. I agree with your comments about prices and profits, but the success of pharma companies and the high prices for vaccines were actually self-inflicted by the Western World. If you cut funds for academic research you create a business niche for private companies to exploit. This is why we will never have another Dr Jonas Salk (who discovered the polio vaccine and made if free to everyone) until governments decide to start funding medical research instead of the military.