Thread: Rants and WTF are you talking about and Coronavirus!
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07-07-20 05:20 #854
Posts: 7321Originally Posted by Adindas [View Original Post]
I think it is more travelling that is dangerous than actual mongering, train, airplane, airport, hotel restaurants, restaurants etc.
The truth is, we all have to live with covid 19 because we cannot stop economy anymore or people will die more with other causes.
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07-07-20 02:59 #853
Posts: 284Originally Posted by TheCane [View Original Post]
But all of sudden i feel now that I want to go As soon as possible, and I guess its the idea of ((deciding not to go VS can't go even if you want)) is the major motive for my feelings.
Hope this pandemic will END soon, with a vaccine hopefully.
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07-07-20 00:43 #852
Posts: 327You don't agree with Facts
Originally Posted by Pistons [View Original Post]
Have a wonderful day!
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07-07-20 00:33 #851
Posts: 327COVID-19 affecting health people is not normal
Originally Posted by Mursenary [View Original Post]
Of course I understand that according to their logic that if COVID-19 weakened the immune system to a point that it could not handle the constant invasion of billions of germs we face every second of our lives and they contracted pneumonia as a result, then COVID-19 is still considered the root cause or a multiple cause of death.
Let me explain why that is bad! You could cut your finger and the infection it causes could easily lower your immune system to a point where pneumonia could take hold, although trauma should be reported the root cause in this sometimes it is still reported as pneumonia. Usually as stated in any document written about COVID-19 you need to already have a weak immune system or an underlying problem before anything else can happen because in most cases your immune system is easily able to wipe out COVID-19. Breathing with a Paper cloth mask on greatly increases your chance of developing pneumonia and brain deficiencies because you are rebreathing CO2 and not getting enough clean oxygen to kill the germs in your lungs or feed your brain fresh oxygen so it can produce ozone in the brain to heal itself. Oxygen is the most miraculous element on the planet and oxygen combined with the right green leafy vegetables and 120 minutes of exercise a week especially jumping on a trampoline for 15 minutes a day can make your immune system super human and the trampoline will activate your lymphatic system. For people who do this everyday, even the once dreaded HIV is not really a problem unless you put too much bad stuff in your body like Sugar, Drugs, Alcohol, and tobacco.
Now if you are reporting pneumonia and influenza deaths as COVID-19 deaths and we look at the numbers last year and 60,000 died from influenza and 40,000 died from pneumonia and this year pneumonia and influenza deaths are way down then how can we determine the actual threat caused by COVID-19. Now if you read some of the other posts I have posted you would know that almost 80% of the deaths reported in New York State in the last 120 days have been COVID-19 related. Also the Doctors are now being allowed to fill out the death certificates completely and sign them themselves. We know hospitals get paid for each reported case, each respirator case, and each death. New York has 32,000 COVID-19 deaths which is equal to 40 of the other 49 states combined. New York only has 6% of the US population but they have 24% of the deaths and the other 52% of total deaths is among only 9 states The final 24% is spread among 40 states. Many states went out of lockdown months ago.
So, unless you can find something that factually says Covid-19 "will" "not can or could" cause long term organ damage then there is no threat from COVID-19 to people with strong immune systems. If you are old are weak you can take precautions but I recommend a spit guard or an actually non-cloth mask that allows you to breath fresh oxygen.
Please do research! We need to draw a line in the sand and make our governments aware this will not be tolerated. If not, what is coming in the future will be much worse. The minute we accept quarantining and marshal law as the norm we have already become slaves. Now, if in the future a virus comes along and kills more than 1% of the world population or 78,000,000 people then we can talk about possible quarantines as long as every victim's name is made public for verification. 132,000 people supposedly dead in America but I don't know one and I don't know anybody who knows one.
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07-07-20 00:24 #850
Posts: 1385Originally Posted by Pistons [View Original Post]
But I am fully in agreement that infection counts are hugely understated in many developing countries that you included in your comment.
I think the demographic in these countries tends to be young and perhaps there may be other immunity benefits at work that we don't understand yet. Either way, I think infections are probably understated by orders of magnitude in many countries and death count by some amount.
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07-06-20 22:59 #849
Posts: 920Originally Posted by MrHo [View Original Post]
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07-06-20 22:39 #848
Posts: 6686Rarely do I read something on this forum which I disagree on nearly 100%, but MasterMonger managed that feat. Congratulations. I won't bother to respond.
But with such 'ideas' floating around in USA, I now totally understand how and why covid-19 spreads so much faster in USA than it does in Europe!
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07-06-20 21:35 #847
Posts: 6420Investing
Originally Posted by Pessimist [View Original Post]
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07-06-20 21:09 #846
Posts: 537Originally Posted by MasterMonger [View Original Post]
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07-06-20 21:01 #845
Posts: 2344I'm not sure that you understand the concept of "cause of death. " When someone has HIV, the virus does not kill them per se but rather leads to a compromised immune system where some other system becomes compromised due to a secondary infection. When someone has the flu, the virus does not kill them but rather leads to a systemic response or secondary infection. Cause of death would eventually be some sort of respiratory failure. Same with COVID 19. Saying that people aren't dying of COVID but rather pneumonia shows a lack of understanding of how your body and disease works. Understanding what pneumonia is and the fact that it is a reactive process caused by viruses, bacteria, or other microbes would be a good start to educating yourself before making your assertions.
Secondly, even if death is not the end result, prolonged-debilitating illness in an otherwise healthy young adult is often the case with covid19. The economic cost of millions of otherwise healthy, young adults being out of the workforce due to a 2-3 week illness will in itself be rather costly.
It's not as simple a matter as you make it out to be.
Originally Posted by MasterMonger [View Original Post]
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07-06-20 20:34 #844
Posts: 1385Originally Posted by McAdonis [View Original Post]
As for the spending by various governments. None have been as profligate as US. We are lucky that dollar is so strong. No other country can do a stimulus this massive and get away with minimal impact on currency. But now, our debt is astronomically high. Same / similar situation in multiple countries around the world, more or less. If ever interest rates normalize to historical levels, these governments would be needing to keep allocating a huge amount of annual budget to interest payments alone. So, they are in a bind. They have to make their central banks less independent, and keep purchasing own debt through central banks just to keep going. It is very much akin to digging deeper when you are in a hole and trying to get out. Till now, American employees collectively have bene just fine due to the massive stimulus you mentioned. Fed figures show the collective paycheck (including salaries and Federal transfer payments) for the country is higher now than it was pre pandemic, which is very weird. But this is set to run out in a few weeks unless they do a second round of stimulus. Will they do it? Does the government have the money? They did not really have any money for the first round either. Of course, they can always print more dollars. As I said, we are lucky because US is able to print money out of thin air and not suffer the consequences (for now).
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07-06-20 20:31 #843
Posts: 6420Abstaining
Originally Posted by McAdonis [View Original Post]
Your comment about pricing is quite interesting and worrying. I don't know about those guys who have been paying 150 per hour, but I intend to go back to pre-lockdown prices. That said, what if the clubs that survive this believe they need to raise prices in order to remain sustainable as going concerns? Then what? I mean I was already paying in the neighborhood of 300 euros per hour with anal and BBBJ / CIM included in that. Go above that, and I feel that it's just greed and trying to extract too much from a monger. Get too greedy, and some will begin to balk. At the same time, I fear that so many guys are so "thirsty" for some FKK pussy that they would cave and pay an inflated price just to get back into the clubs.
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07-06-20 20:09 #842
Posts: 5654Originally Posted by Downandup [View Original Post]
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07-06-20 17:57 #841
Posts: 327World Population of 7. 7 billion people
Originally Posted by McAdonis [View Original Post]
Anything else is just not logical. The whole world is so afraid of death that logic goes out the window!
This needs to end, I thought for sure the UV-see radiation caused by the sun over the summer would snuff it out just like it does every year, but no they keep it going and now I am angry! You should be too! Our rights are being infringed upon, if you are scared you can stay home!
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07-06-20 17:48 #840
Posts: 2073Economic Recovery
Some European mongers have told me "I saved so much money from not mongering during the lockdown, so overspending a little as the clubs and economy opens back up is no big deal". The European employment system subsidized 40 million EU citizens, many receiving 60-90 percent of their pay for sitting at home and doing nothing or barely working, for three months. Despite the higher levels of taxation, is such a system designed to handle that many people claiming unemployment subsidies at the same time and for such a long duration? What happens if a second wave results in a second lockdown? I could be just pessimistic, but people are already declaring victory on this, when it might not be over.