Rants and WTF are you talking about and Coronavirus!

[Dreams]

The open strategy works very good here in Sweden.

Estimations show that at least 1/3 of population in Stockholm is immune now. Authorities expect that 50 percent will be immune within one month.

There will probably be a second BIG wave of Corona in autumn. Then lock-down countries are unprotected.

Sweden will be protected by heard immunity.

Again wrong: Just check what is the percentage of the total population, even in Sweden, has been infected? Below 20 %, when you need 70% for decent "herd immunity" And whether being previously infected does protect is currently not proven. Good luck to my Swedish friends.

[Dreams]

It is no more sparse than Texas.

Sweden has achieved similar results to other European countries -- but without any lockdown at all. Its strategy is herd immunity. If this works, then in a couple of weeks time Sweden will enjoy results considerable better than everyone else. Then the other countries will quietly abandon the concept of lockdown and let the economy run free again.

Inshallah!

By the way this is a great resource to see which countries are in lockdown and which are not:

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-52103747

Respectfully disagree; Sweden has higher death rate in Europe compared to population. Maybe it was a price worth paying, that's another debate.

[Delta Indigo]

20 % of hospital personnel in Stockholm immune.

And this was among people who had "protected" outfit.

Quite interesting, so was there enough PPE (Personal Protective Equipment) in the Swedish medical system? I know in the UK there was a shortage. But they think 20% of all of New York city has had it as well, so the number is not that different even given the different lockdown regimes. I know we are only refering to hospital personnel in Stockholm and not the general population.

But this number can either be much higher than that of the general population, because of exposure or lower since they are taking greater precautions.

However of course New York is a raging epicenter of this pandemic and it is also much more densely populated than Stockholm is.

By immune you are referring to who has tested positive for antibodies, right? I have not read much about this, but a lot of reports seem to indicate that the tests for antibodies are not that reliable, so I hope the actual number is higher so that we do reach herd immunity levels.

[Arnold15]

20 % of hospital personnel in Stockholm immune.

And this was among people who had "protected" outfit.

[The Cane]

This post is so wrong! You have been reading fake news, post a link if you have reason to justify this.

https://fullfact.org/online/elisa-granato-fake/ Shows the newsfeed from BBC.

You beat me to it! The Ruskies are going to have another field day this fall. Sigh!

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...-elisa-granato

[Downandup]

The female English scientist who was the first to test their vaccine died two days later. Four others who allowed themselves to be administered the vaccine are very sick.

This post is so wrong! You have been reading fake news, post a link if you have reason to justify this.

https://fullfact.org/online/elisa-granato-fake/ Shows the newsfeed from BBC.

[Smoothy]

But not for everybody. I am really liking the death graphs for Sweden, Switzerland and Swaziland right now. If they can get this under control, they will set an example to the whole world.

https://www.westernjournal.com/swede...sharingbuttons

[Canary]

The female English scientist who was the first to test their vaccine died two days later. Four others who allowed themselves to be administered the vaccine are very sick.

Please ignore this, fake news and lies.

She is alive and well.

Such rubbish written on this and other sites about Covid-19.

[Turgid]

............I fear who just want to vaccinate us with some hybrid virus that will make us half sick and ruin our immune systems for the rest of our lives. So funk that!.............

The female English scientist who was the first to test their vaccine died two days later. Four others who allowed themselves to be administered the vaccine are very sick.

[Mr Ho]

But not for everybody. I am really liking the death graphs for Sweden, Switzerland and Swaziland right now. If they can get this under control, they will set an example to the whole world.

It is bit too late for that, those nations who focused on death rate as I have been saying from beginning with preferably balanced lock down and not no lock down or total lock down (which did not work due to crazy death rates in those nations who did), did better at saving lives.

Plus it is to do with medical quality, Avigan works for mild symptom, within first 6 weeks since infection, but Japan cannot produce mega amount in just few weeks, but first 5 million pill are to be dispatch to 20 nations in may and it is free, so people in those 20 nations has access to it and it should be cheap as Japan is giving it for free. Our FKK land Germany is using Avigan as well, so may hope some tutes we knows life if they are infected. This is originally made for bird flu and side effect avoidance is for pregnant women. It can be used for old people etc.

There also is another medicine made by USA which is working, but it is strong one which is originally for Ebola, so I don't know the effect on body. But that is also working on mild symptom.

However, in case like these, beside medicine, usually nations do what they believe is best and they won't listen till things are too late. Even with mask, they did not listen saying it did not work based on usual western narrow minded stereo type that are still 50 years ago, mask is not so much to prevent you from getting infected, but it is more for giving virus to other people, it stop that to great extent.

Additionally, not all nations can produce medical equipment, so those nations who cannot produce their own medical equipment like life supporting system, artificial lungs etc. Had to deal with limited equipment to extent where doctors had to choose who get those equipment or those who should be left to die.

European nations which had high death rates are not industrial top nations, so they cannot produce these equipment as well. Only few can like Germany and UK, even though Dyson was kicked out by UK government after producing them due to violation of contract LOL. But Dyson will sell it abroad apparently.

Like I said from beginning, focus on controlling death rate as controlling infections are too hard beside locking people to some extent.

[Polyamorist]

Well that Chinese roulette definitely caught up with Spain, Italy and France, most highest death rate nations. It is war level death for these 3 nations.

But not for everybody. I am really liking the death graphs for Sweden, Switzerland and Swaziland right now. If they can get this under control, they will set an example to the whole world.

[Mr Ho]

If you are not obese, nor diabetic, nor cancer, nor big disease, then you don't have so big risk about virus, so your avigan from Fuiji is useless for me, if you are not weak health, better you recover on your own. When I'm not very sick, I don't take medicine. No proof in France chloroquine really cure virus. I'm sure France and US are not lower medical level than Japan or Germany, but virus is more mirror of society than about medical level. For example: in France, many people kiss people with who they work when they arrive, millions of people can't afford healthcare in US, when Asians are used to masks since before virus. Behavior made the difference versus this virus, much more than medical level. In France, no one died because no free bed, but I thank Germany, Switzerland, Luxemburg and Austria to help us for their 181 beds when a bit improving cases were moved to these countries, to always have free beds for worst cases. Other example: I don't think India or Africa have high medical level and for sure lower than US, France, Spain and Italy, but, and I'm really happy for them when they are so poor and really don't need this crisis, virus seem to prefer to spread when around 10 degrees, not where very cold or very warm, so I'm happy they don't have too many deaths at the moment. I think whole world have to learn from this virus, and yes, France have to be more independent for our health safety, our biggest mistake, when we have best medical level, but so many couldn't be saved, even treated in hospitals with best equipment. Our medical staff was under pressure, now better, but never exploded.

It is about Hygiene level. Asia is not clean beside Singapore and Japn and little bit south Korea.

Other thing is that not so much in singapoer and south Korea, but in case of Japan, when you enter home, we take our shoes off at the door, this helped a bit and also our Japanese bath culture, we take bath every single day, so it may help a bit too.

Avigan works within six weeks of infections. Germany is using it now and so as some other nations, and to be honest I imagine France too, I cannot be bother to check. I don't care about corona too much, it is not so big here yet, but it can get worst as we still has 20 % free bed in hospital, but if it get lower and heavy symptom get higher, we can destroy medical care system too, but Avigan is working, so usually it does not go to heavy symptom then death. However, it is not vaccines for this, it is for birdflu originally.

As for your comments about cancers, diabetes, fat people etc. It is minority not all people have that, in France it is over 20000 people dead. This is war level number of people and I don't think it is just because they were all cancer, diabetes or fat etc. It is destruction of medical system. France has same level of medical system as Japan, USA or Germany or similar nations, so 20000 death is because hospital was over loaded with patients, some who did not need to come to hospital. It is rather governments fault as they should have restricted who comes to hospitals and who get tested based on symptom to control the visitors of hospitals.

But hey, we got summer coming, so let see if weather fix it temporary or not.

[Sirioja]

OMS also say really not sure for immunity from recovering. Wait and see after confined finished. 11 May in France with about only 5% who were infected, Germany with now 5500 deaths are preparing second wave. US with 55 000 deaths, go to beaches.

Chinese start to tell what really happened, when they are scared about their politics who hide them the truth, new figure they tell: at least 25.000 deaths only for Wuhan. Far from politics figures below 4000.

[Kartoffel]

Or to have your lungs fucked up for the rest of your life?

That's correct, I am experiencing this particular problem, I hope it gets better with the right treatment.

It is important not to undervalue the consequences of the virus.

[Sirioja]

It is just that certain part of Europe and USA did not have good medical system enough and also let the situation destroy their medical system, so they could not treat patients with heavy symptoms in hospitals without enough medicines and medical equipment like life supporting system, artificial lung to the extent doctors had to decide who they give these machines too.

If it is in stage of mild symptom within 6 weeks of infections, Avigan can fix you unless you don't have diabetes or cancer or some heavy diseases.

Death rates could have been controlled where as infection rate with this disease is very hard to control as it is easily infected.

In big part, it is typical western ignorance thinking they know it all from the past, even with mask they did not listen till recently.

If you are not obese, nor diabetic, nor cancer, nor big disease, then you don't have so big risk about virus, so your avigan from Fuiji is useless for me, if you are not weak health, better you recover on your own. When I'm not very sick, I don't take medicine. No proof in France chloroquine really cure virus. I'm sure France and US are not lower medical level than Japan or Germany, but virus is more mirror of society than about medical level. For example: in France, many people kiss people with who they work when they arrive, millions of people can't afford healthcare in US, when Asians are used to masks since before virus. Behavior made the difference versus this virus, much more than medical level. In France, no one died because no free bed, but I thank Germany, Switzerland, Luxemburg and Austria to help us for their 181 beds when a bit improving cases were moved to these countries, to always have free beds for worst cases. Other example: I don't think India or Africa have high medical level and for sure lower than US, France, Spain and Italy, but, and I'm really happy for them when they are so poor and really don't need this crisis, virus seem to prefer to spread when around 10 degrees, not where very cold or very warm, so I'm happy they don't have too many deaths at the moment. I think whole world have to learn from this virus, and yes, France have to be more independent for our health safety, our biggest mistake, when we have best medical level, but so many couldn't be saved, even treated in hospitals with best equipment. Our medical staff was under pressure, now better, but never exploded.