Rants and WTF are you talking about and Coronavirus!

[Sirioja]

French doctors are not so sure about recovering giving immunity, when virus not only attack lungs, but also sometimes blood. I don't think world know much about this unknown virus which can mutate, but would be happy if you were right, because world will already have many deaths and big economic crisis.

OMS also say really not sure for immunity from recovering. Wait and see after confined finished. 11 May in France with about only 5% who were infected, Germany with now 5500 deaths are preparing second wave. US with 55 000 deaths, go to beaches.

[Pistons]

That's what Thanos said. And look what happened to him. Except his figure was 50%. Imagine the economic fallout from that. Yeah we have it lucky.

So I am like 10% of Thanos in strength?

[Pistons]

It now looks like the actual death rate is more like 0.4%, not 5%.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dcFcdrqL7GQ

But there are different mutations with different severity. And if you get it 3 or 4 times, perhaps some will even die on round 2 or 3 or 4 as well. And finally, it seems to attack people with certain genes harder than others, and many countries don't have the same medical system, nor the same level of wealth. So globally it can still be 5%. Not a single study so far takes even half of these factors into account. And most countries don't even count more than a fraction of the deaths also. They blame other factors.

[Pistons]

OK. So you're ready to die or to see your family dying?

Or to have your lungs fucked up for the rest of your life?

Already had it myself.

[Mr Ho]

Or Chinese roulette.

Well that Chinese roulette definitely caught up with Spain, Italy and France, most highest death rate nations. It is war level death for these 3 nations.

[BigBuddy69]

I agree. And I think more and more countries will adopt the Swedish model.

I fear who just want to vaccinate us with some hybrid virus that will make us half sick and ruin our immune systems for the rest of our lives. So funk that!

Better just take the blunt and come out on the other side stronger. If 5% dies, so what? Not like the world will run out of people any time soon.

We probably won't get enough antigens from just one period with the virus. But after 3 or 4 we will see immunity get quite good! So many people will just have to die in the next years.

OK. So you're ready to die or to see your family dying?

Or to have your lungs fucked up for the rest of your life?

[Smoothy]

If 5% dies, so what? Not like the world will run out of people any time soon.

It now looks like the actual death rate is more like 0.4%, not 5%.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dcFcdrqL7GQ

[Sirioja]

Yes, catching and recovering = immune.

Definitely.

WHO and China spread fake news that there is no immunity.

But there is a Hidden Agenda.

China WANTS the U.S. and Europe to lock-down, so China can gain economic advantages.

New BIG immunity test undertaken in Stockholm will be presented in news tomorrow.

I will then link.

Provisonal estimates show "considerably higher immunity" than Chinese tests (2-3 % immune = fake).

French doctors are not so sure about recovering giving immunity, when virus not only attack lungs, but also sometimes blood. I don't think world know much about this unknown virus which can mutate, but would be happy if you were right, because world will already have many deaths and big economic crisis.

[Sirioja]

Or Chinese roulette.

Yes, my mistake. But I often dream about mysterious Russia.

[Polyamorist]

If 5% dies, so what? Not like the world will run out of people any time soon.

That's what Thanos said. And look what happened to him. Except his figure was 50%. Imagine the economic fallout from that. Yeah we have it lucky.

Of course, that's why they have been in lockdown too, they wanted to give economic advantages. That's so logic

When news of the Wu-flu came out in February, these two possibilities immediately popped into my head:

1. It was started by the US to create chaos in China.

2. It was started by China because they knew they could survive it, but it would target the biggest weakness of their biggest rival: the health system.

It's sort of like when the US started feminism within their own borders because they figured they could survive it but once it spread to other countries those cultures would be hopelessly eroded. The UK is a good example.

[Mr Ho]

How can you say that if Japan has one of the lowest if not the lowest Muslim percentage of total population among major countries in the world. Plus, it is not difficult to find reports on Japan trying to avoid Muslim immigrants as much as possible over the past years. On the other hand, why don't you ask the admin to open a sub-forum here which is called: Japan is great.

We avoid immigrant in general as it is not good for nation, but we take in some that are chosen arguably. We do not want to experience what happened to Europe, we prefer to do it more control to choose right people.

However, we have many Iranian immigrants by the way and Turkish.

No I don't need to ask, Japan is one of the best reputed nation in the world and this is just based on plain fact. But it is for more intelligent people.

[Mr Ho]

I agree. And I think more and more countries will adopt the Swedish model.

I fear who just want to vaccinate us with some hybrid virus that will make us half sick and ruin our immune systems for the rest of our lives. So funk that!

Better just take the blunt and come out on the other side stronger. If 5% dies, so what? Not like the world will run out of people any time soon.

We probably won't get enough antigens from just one period with the virus. But after 3 or 4 we will see immunity get quite good! So many people will just have to die in the next years.

You were criticizing Swedish model before and now news says it begin to show effect and you turn your opinion? LOL.

Swedish model is radical model, which I always said they are smart and they know what they are doing, but it is with too much risk and human life cost too, the best is balanced model. Don't lock it down totally, don't test everybody to keep medical care system active and working for rainy day to come to control death rate.

The most important thing is to save people from dying and without hospitals working properly and no life supporting equipment, medicines like Avigan, artificial lung etc. It will be hard to save people from dying.

Anyways, summer is around corner, so let hope weather may fix the situation temporary. Some claim it can, some say it won't, but time will tell.

[Mr Ho]

Because you think catching and recovering make immune? Not so sure for weakest. I think we have to live with this virus risk now, kind of Russian roulette.

It is just that certain part of Europe and USA did not have good medical system enough and also let the situation destroy their medical system, so they could not treat patients with heavy symptoms in hospitals without enough medicines and medical equipment like life supporting system, artificial lung to the extent doctors had to decide who they give these machines too.

If it is in stage of mild symptom within 6 weeks of infections, Avigan can fix you unless you don't have diabetes or cancer or some heavy diseases.

Death rates could have been controlled where as infection rate with this disease is very hard to control as it is easily infected.

In big part, it is typical western ignorance thinking they know it all from the past, even with mask they did not listen till recently.

[Pistons]

Because you think catching and recovering make immune? Not so sure for weakest. I think we have to live with this virus risk now, kind of Russian roulette.

Or Chinese roulette.

[Sirioja]

Do you know that each Asian nations are different?

Like Kyoto is by far more beautiful than Paris, more safe, more clean as well with better food, but it is different, I like Paris, but I am saying it is over hyped with not good quality, it is more marketing based city, that is Paris.

Where as Japan, Tokyo and Kyoto etc. We don't do marketing much, foreign people did marketing for me and hey it was mostly french fashion industry people who loved Japan and did marketing for us by word of mouth based on quality.

I recommend to be more culturally aware and travel bit more and learn that Asia is not country LOL. There are Japan, China, Thailand, Indonesia etc etc. And they are all completely different.

I am very well traveled, well educated, well cultured guy and I know all European nations are different, and I have been to most European nations both west and east, so learn that Asia is continent and not one country LOL.

France and Japan are actually two biggest partner for most highest culture, it is too sad that in France, only top people in fashion industry and politicians and such knows about this and working class citizens are still limited on knowledge about high quality of Japanese culture even with food you don't know LOL.

Don't you know I'm a cheap french guy sleeping in his car to pay FKK entry to eat good foods, but under crisis I'm at work and pay tax for my country when many don't work. What I'm sure is I don't know much of Japan, but you don't know France nor Paris. I learned at school Japan and China are not friends. When I don't like a country or culture, I don't go. Despite crisis, I will run to Italy I love for my holidays, to eat daily pasta, like all along the year, but in Italy, I eat for breakfast, lunch and diner. I think I m only European and wish Western Europe will learn from this crisis and become again more independent for our safety.