Rants and WTF are you talking about and Coronavirus!

[Sirioja]

Fully aware this is the German forum. And painfully aware that it's become the Corona Virus opinion of the day forum. So I hope the following break from that is welcomed by at least some.

Sometimes people discuss whether Globe is worth it. And you may have heard of its double price competitor Aphrodisia at a heart stopping $USD280/ half. Is it worth it? You decide. Here is a report from a year ago.

Rolled up around 10 and like a lot of these clubs it is very discreet from the street. Uber guy dropped me off but I had to poke around a bit to find it. It is in fact at the pin but only identified by two massive wooden doors. Push your way in and you will see another door labeled Aphrodisia.

Upon arrival, a hostess greets me in the hall and explains the process and prices (yes it's 280 a half! But it scales better. 380 for 45 minutes, 500 an hour). On your right is another door where you enter the club. And wow. I mean wow. This was a Thursday night and there must have been 30 girls and maybe 5-6 guys. I was stunned how many girls there were and they were all slim and pretty.

The club has an unusual format. No cover and the drinks are free. You could literally come in, have a few drinks and leave if you don't like the merch. This is highly unlikely. There are tons of girls and they all eyes on you. It's very unusual, especially if you are used to being the last picked for gym class.

The girls are not allowed to approach so it's a very chill vibe. I found a spot on the couch and chatted up a fellow compatriot who had been before. It was a nice conversation but before long we waived over a dark haired Romanian hottie in a black Danskin. She sat between us and we both chatted her up a bit. I was tempted but we both moved on.

Eventually I settled on Aurelia. An unbelievably pretty German girl. A solid 9 in and out of her clothes. We went upstairs. The rooms are very nice with 12 foot ceilings and a big king bed in a large room. Showered across the hall while she took the money downstairs. Clothes were shed and we had a very pleasant if unspectacular time. We did all the usual stuff but I can't recall the exact sequence (give me a break. I've fucked 5 girls in the last 24 hours and I am in pussy fog!

Her kissing was light and she does not BLS or I would have repeated. Great pussy fit, in both doggie and mish which is rare for me, so that is a big plus. We finished about 20 minutes in but no rush to leave. Shared a cigarette on the bed and just chatted for a while. Nice relaxed mood.

Even though the sex was nothing to write home about there is a classiness to the in-room interaction. Very sweet and professional and at the end where I had left the CH20 change on the table she said "don't forget your money" rather than "a tip for me?" I am definitely not at Sharks or Oase! And Just a classy feel throughout..

I visited twice Aphrodisia on 2019, each time on Thursday at 7 pm, because Thursday evening is said to be best casting time there. Welcoming desk with good chocolates on desk on my second visit. Both times when I arrived, more than 50 girls, more than at Globe, some sitting behind the bar, all girls looking at you, staring at you, smiling, at least you feel very beautiful if you are self confident enough about your image, and I was the only guy, sultan of harem, girls serve you drink. Free entry and drinking for free, even if you want to drink alcohol, unfortunately, only orange juice for fruit juice, for me. On my 2 visits, I stayed about 8 hours, I saw guys entering, drinking or taking drug on the bar, and leaving without even looking at girls, and from my Russian escorts I pay 200 € for nearly 1 hour, I try to leave at 55 mn not to be asked for 1 hour rate, and from girls in Paris streets I see every day, I never saw any girl, not even Sunny, who worth to pay 280 for 30 mn, or 500 for 1 hour, I had prettier and more fresh girls in Germany, really kissing, I can enjoy for 4 hours in Germany for 1 hour at Aphrodisia and not even better service, with not many really kissing, I was told by some locals. Aphrodisia casting really don't worth the rate, many girls worked in Germany before, but not fresh anymore, like ex Beatrice Oase or Sharks seen on my first visit, but not on second, kind of cemetery for WGs, Aphrodisia is like the end of the road. Even Globe casting fell and not more than 5 girls at Globe now worth the rate = 130 €/30 mn, for me, with CIM 100 , anal 200 . More fresh girls and less silicon, except at GT, in Germany where if you find a beauty for you, you can have 3 hours with her for 1 hour at Globe, and 4 hours with her for 1 hour at Aphrodisia. Casting is on average far higher level for looks and services at Globe than at Aphrodisia, but unfortunately, Globe lost chic, girls lost elegance and charm. Zurich is a small village where cocaine is cheap. According to some locals and from my Swiss experiences, some other Swiss clubs are more interesting now, I mean before virus. Wait and see what will be after, but Globe was not anymore higher level than Germany where I had prettier girls for less expensive in 2019, mostly at Oase and one great at Gold.

[The Cane]

I hate to disappoint you and other FKK fans, but just let you know that Merkel said a few days ago in the press conference that she will keep the brothels closed until there is vaccine, according to a German board. So everything is up in the air.

I'm not disappointed one bit. My trip would be in late 2021 well past the 18 month max mark when a vaccine is supposed to be available. I think we will have one before then. We shall see. In the meantime, one must plan. Info on Dusseldorf anyone?

[AZN Monger]

You are delusional if you don't understand that I know much more than you do about the situation in Sweden because, unlike you, I live in Sweden and follow the national news closely. You are just a monger.

LOL! Nice reply. I'm glad you know how to read.

[Bfsie]

Well, I tried to change the topic away from COVID-19 at least for a minute. Any intel on Magnum? Anybody familiar with my expressed likes over the years think I would like it there? Do tell! I'm assuming all these clubs will still be around in 2021. Maybe not.

I hate to disappoint you and other FKK fans, but just let you know that Merkel said a few days ago in the press conference that she will keep the brothels closed until there is vaccine, according to a German board. So everything is up in the air.

[Polyamorist]

The point about a different rule for over 60's and younger people might be optimal but it won't be enforced for political considerations.

During WWII the children were sent out of London for their own safety. How about sending the elderly out of London, New York, etc? They would go into special quarantine zones where testing is mandatory. As a short-term thing.

Except for the politicians. They would be shot into outer space.

Is it that you are relishing the prospect of no over 60's competing with you for the p4p belles?

Yes.

However I will tell you that given the unpredictable nature of the symptoms, even I who is relatively young and quite physically fit would not risk deliberately getting this.

Wallah, Sayyid Indigo, nor would I. But I think the young should have a choice. Just like they can choose other risky activities like mountaineering and whitewater rafting. If people want to have Coronavirus parties, let them! Yes, they will suffer the consequences. But we will owe them a debt because they contribute to herd immunity. The best way of paying that debt is covering their hospital costs. Again: 99.9% of these young idiots will not die.

Given the fact that so many self interested politicians are advocating a lockdown, what does this tell you?

It tells me that pressure was applied from above to maintain a state of crisis so that (a) we will all have our phones traced, (b) fertility rates will drop even more, and (c) there will be strict border controls to keep workers in their pens. These three things are all wet dreams of the global elite.

[Mursenary]

Given the fact that so many self interested politicians are advocating a lockdown, what does this tell you? This is more serious than we thought.

They're probably thinking that the political cost of loss of life would be more damaging than their cost due to economic loss. That's what got Trump and what got be. Johnson. At this point few leaders such as the Brazilian president are betting on the minimal shut down tactic.

[Mursenary]

This should have been done from the get go. Add a caveat that if a sub 60 year old or someone with comorbidities does not want to risk being in that temporary society, they could do it with some sort of mandated job guarantee. Whatever strain that still brings would be better than what's happening now.

The infected threshold of herd immunity for COVID is around 70% so I do wonder how that could be achieved in a short enough time without having to lock up senior citizens for over a year. I don't think a couple of months would do it unless it was done purposefully.

The current policy everywhere of shutting everything down is not sustainable. We will have to reopen the economy at some point. The question is, how.

Here is one professor who does not believe in social distancing, but in herd immunity.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lGC5sGdz4kg

I would suggest the best strategy is:

1. Strict isolation for over-60's and people who are sick of anything.

2. Everybody else carry on as normal.

So most of the under-60's will get COVID-19, but they will have mild symptoms or no symptoms at all. A few will require hospitalization, but not enough to overwhelm the hospitals.

After a couple of months, herd immunity develops, the virus fizzles out, and the elderly can be readmitted into society.

Why wouldn't that work?

[The Cane]

Fully aware this is the German forum. And painfully aware that it's become the Corona Virus opinion of the day forum. So I hope the following break from that is welcomed by at least some. Sometimes people discuss whether Globe is worth it. And you may have heard of its double price competitor Aphrodisia at a heart stopping $USD280/ half. Is it worth it? You decide.

IMHO, neither Aphrodesia nor Globe are worth it. Not when I have Germany and Brazil. I did enjoy Globe when I went. Had a good anal session with a hot blonde from Gothenburg, Sweden. And literally the best BBBJ / CIM experience I have ever had in my entire life. She was Brazilian. Ahem! LOL! Enjoyed a decent looking Romanian girl at Aphrodesia, but did not like the place nearly as much. Would repeat at both clubs if I were in Switzerland. But, I have no plans to go to Switzerland anytime soon.

It's just too expensive, including food, hotels, transportation. Everything man! No need for me to return when other destinations fully meet and satisfy my needs. Now, as you said, this is a German forum. So, since things are slow, can somebody please provide some input regarding my general inquiry about the clubs around Dusseldorf (see below)? This is the last area of Germany that I want to conquer. The most up-to-date intel available regarding the Dusseldorf metro area clubs would be most appreciated. Thanks!

[Sirioja]

Is it that you are relishing the prospect of no over 60's competing with you for the p4p belles? We all know they are the biggest clientele.

When will reopen, don t mean no more virus all over the world, so I doubt no virus in FKK land when people from all over the world, so could be risky for not healthy enough and for relatives of clients and WGs. Should be a new FKK world for a while.

[Sirioja]

The current policy everywhere of shutting everything down is not sustainable. We will have to reopen the economy at some point. The question is, how.

Here is one professor who does not believe in social distancing, but in herd immunity.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lGC5sGdz4kg

I would suggest the best strategy is:

1. Strict isolation for over-60's and people who are sick of anything.

2. Everybody else carry on as normal.

So most of the under-60's will get COVID-19, but they will have mild symptoms or no symptoms at all. A few will require hospitalization, but not enough to overwhelm the hospitals.

After a couple of months, herd immunity develops, the virus fizzles out, and the elderly can be readmitted into society.

Why wouldn't that work?

Among less than 70 yo, when no obesity nor diabetic, nor cancer treatment, nor lungs or heart problems, then much less than 1% dying. Most people don t have any symptom. Confined since 1 month in France is told to save not more than 3000 people when already nearly 14000 deaths and unfortunately not finished yet. 8 millions more unemployed in France, no tourism when the first place for tourism in the world. Had to work hard to try to protect my job and earning. Virus but also economic crisis to come very soon. NL and Sweden prefer to save their economy.

[The Cane]

Looking ahead to better times, I've decided that I would like to take a trip to Germany in 2021 for my next mongering adventure. I'm quite familiar with my favorite FKK destinations in Frankfurt, Hamburg, and Berlin. Also with Munich and Cologne, neither of which I desire to return to for the purposes of mongering. I've also decided to skip Augsburg for the time being. That leaves me with one major metro area that I have yet to fully investigate, and that would be Dusseldorf.

For those who know the Dusseldorf area and environs, which clubs there would you classify as "must-see" clubs? I remember that years ago before I first visited it, many of the "ice bears" referred to Golden Time as "must-see". I went, I saw, and I really did not like it there, and have never returned. I understand that one of my favorites of all time, German, blue-eyed blonde "Artemis Lilia" used to work at GT. Damn glad I found her at another club, as I've no desire to set foot inside of GT again.

So, seems my choices are the following (although I think one of these may have permanently closed): Living Room; Acapulco; Dolce Vita; Planet Happy Garden; Oceans. Would appreciate hearing from those of you who are in the know from direct experience about the pros and cons of each of these clubs, and why any one of them should be on my "must-see" list during my next mongering trip to Ge-monger-ry. Thanks in advance!

Well, I tried to change the topic away from COVID-19 at least for a minute. Any intel on Magnum? Anybody familiar with my expressed likes over the years think I would like it there? Do tell! I'm assuming all these clubs will still be around in 2021. Maybe not.

[Delta Indigo]

The current policy everywhere of shutting everything down is not sustainable. We will have to reopen the economy at some point. The question is, how.

Here is one professor who does not believe in social distancing, but in herd immunity.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lGC5sGdz4kg

I would suggest the best strategy is:

1. Strict isolation for over-60's and people who are sick of anything.

2. Everybody else carry on as normal.

So most of the under-60's will get COVID-19, but they will have mild symptoms or no symptoms at all. A few will require hospitalization, but not enough to overwhelm the hospitals.

After a couple of months, herd immunity develops, the virus fizzles out, and the elderly can be readmitted into society.

Why wouldn't that work?

By the way on a lighter note, this is the first time you have initiated a message without an arabic phrase or something similar. I can see that we are all stressed out by what is happening.

[Delta Indigo]

The current policy everywhere of shutting everything down is not sustainable. We will have to reopen the economy at some point. The question is, how.

Here is one professor who does not believe in social distancing, but in herd immunity.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lGC5sGdz4kg

I would suggest the best strategy is:

1. Strict isolation for over-60's and people who are sick of anything.

2. Everybody else carry on as normal.

So most of the under-60's will get COVID-19, but they will have mild symptoms or no symptoms at all. A few will require hospitalization, but not enough to overwhelm the hospitals.

After a couple of months, herd immunity develops, and the elderly can be readmitted into society.

Why wouldn't that work?

The lockdown varies in severity from country to country, and the people who move about the most and violate the rules tend to be younger. In Switzerland I would say the lockdown is a bit of a joke. The point about a different rule for over 60's and younger people might be optimal but it won't be enforced for political considerations.

It is more like an all or nothing approach politically. Since the lockdown will not be 100% effective anywhere, what we do have is staggered herd immunity, so that different infectious people are taken out of the pool gradually. So every two weeks a certain segment of potentially infectious people are no longer infectious and so on. There are off course infected people after one two week cycle, but the spread of this is staggered and herd immunity will take ahold anyhow since this is highly infectious, I am not a doctor, but I think this is far more infectious than the flu.

The argument is between staggered and phased herd immunity and the lack of any lockdown. Why won't it work? We don't know for sure but the vast majority of modelling indicates that the ultimate death toll will be far higher with no lockdown at all.

I don't want to predict any dire scenarios or a massive death toll, but many countries that were initially resisting a severe lockdown given the economic cost have decided that the resulting death toll would be at least politically unacceptable, like the UK and the Netherlands and most infamously a certain President.

I think social isolation during 2 or 3 (2 week cycles) could stagger this and potentially do a lot of good. At least in the initial phases, there is good evidence that the lockdown reduces the death toll, in the long run whether the slower development of herd immunity is worth it is anyone's guess, most of the modelling and the medical opinion suggests that it is though. As you know there are countries that are relatively lax, just a few of them, we will know in a month of two what the result of those policies were.

The point is this, very few politicians want to pay the political costs of the economic damage of this lockdown, but in response to the medical advice they have been given, they have chosen to do so. I really do not think that the few dissenting countries know better, I think they are just unwillinng to pay the political price in the short term or worse, have a robotic mind set (I will not say more about this to avoid a flame war).

I will say however that the pseudo nationalistic arguments I hear are not at all convincing to say the least.

If it is true that this mutates very fast or that you can get it more than once like some observations suggest, then herd immunity will not work at all and this has to be snuffed out. I hope to God that that is not true, I hope that herd immunity will gradually take hold.

What you say might work, and I think there is a chance I already had this and my symptoms were very mild. However I will tell you that given the unpredictable nature of the symptoms, even I who is relatively young and quite physically fit would not risk deliberately getting this. I know people who have tested positive for it and recovered with relatively mild symptoms.

Given the fact that so many self interested politicians are advocating a lockdown, what does this tell you? This is more serious than we thought.

[Mursenary]

You certainly know more about the medical and scientific aspects of this than I do and I think almost anyone else here. So you think it has peaked in the US, I thought that most models had shown otherwise, it might very well have peaked in NYC, but I had thought in the US certainly not, but at most the US is only a few weeks behind Europe anyhow.

All I was doing was interpreting the statistical data and trying to explain it. Most of this is not well understand by quite a few people and their own prejudices factor into their assertions.

What you explained about the implications of treating this illness were illuminating to me, no one, including the news has explained it as well as you have. Thank you for that.

Thanks and No problem.

The models keep changing. I remember when the model called for a death toll of millions in the US alone. Then it dropped to 240,000. Then 100 K. Now 60 K.

They're a couple of hot spots festering right now where the populations are already pretty unhealthy to begin with so there is a chance that we'll see another surge of deaths in the upcoming week. That depends on how quickly NYC death rates drop. So long as Detroit and New Orleans areas do not get out of hand, the worst is behind the US.

[DasBooty]

It seems to me that many mongers believe they are immune to Corona.

No one is immune, but not everyone is buying into the medias scaremongering.

The most common symptoms of COVID-19 are fever, tiredness, and dry cough. Some patients may have aches and pains, nasal congestion, runny nose, sore throat or diarrhea. These symptoms are usually mild and begin gradually. Some people become infected but don't develop any symptoms and don't feel unwell. Most people (about 80%) recover from the disease without needing special treatment. Around 1 out of every 6 people who gets COVID-19 becomes seriously ill and develops difficulty breathing. Older people, and those with underlying medical problems like high blood pressure, heart problems or diabetes, are more likely to develop serious illness. People with fever, cough and difficulty breathing should seek medical attention.

https://www.who.int/news-room/q-a-de...-coronaviruses#text=symptoms.