Rants and WTF are you talking about and Coronavirus!

[Mr Ho]

Isn't 9% = 30 millions people, half France, who can't afford healthcare, 11 millions illegal, Hart island for poor when dying, but at least, compare to Asia, we have US figures. Only facts, and my country is also not perfect, but people have healthcare, I pay tax for this, even for foreigners to have healthcare in France.

The best health care one can receive is called BBBJ for the rate of 50 euro per 30 min LOL!

German FKK BBBJ is the best revitalization therapy for your soul LOL! You can even choose your international nurse who provide you BBBJ therapy as you wish LOL!

Clinic FKK LOL!

[AZN Monger]

The coronavirus is a giant problem for the Swedish economy, otherwise not so much. I know that many people in other countries wishes that they had the freedom that we have in Sweden.

The government haven't done much and the changes they are contemplating are small stuff like closing down certain bars and restaurants. As I, unlike you, live in Sweden and actually read and follow the news closely, I can safely say that you don't know what you are talking about.

Sweden's infected rate per million is lower than the one of Norway, Denmark, Israel, Austria and the list goes on, so please refrain from spreading disinformation.

Who cares if you live in Sweden? I use to work and live in Sweden for a number of years in Malmo and other areas of the country. I traveled to over 100+ countries for work and play. Not sure why you would imply living in Sweden means you know more than others, you're a monger, not a politician.

My profession as a health scientist would make me well aware of COVID-19 and the effects on the economy and the people. Despite Sweden's apprehension, I can tell you that they could have better managed the crisis. Please refrain from using your citizenship as an automatic "we should trust you". Clearly, many forum members think otherwise.

[Mursenary]

Isn't 9% = 30 millions people, half France, who can't afford healthcare, 11 millions illegal, Hart island for poor when dying, but at least, compare to Asia, we have US figures. Only facts, and my country is also not perfect, but people have healthcare, I pay tax for this, even for foreigners to have healthcare in France.

You are right, it is 30 million. Yet for some reason, we are still keeping people alive in NYC more efficiently than in all of France, Spain, Italy, UK, Belgium, and the Netherlands during this time of crisis.

As for the poor, we have Medicaid for the truly poor. The poor have health care. The people who are without, are the lower middle class. But that is by choice as they can pay privately. Since the US has a tax rate is 10-20 percent lower than the average European nation, we can use that money to pay for private health insurance, but people choose not to. That is the beauty of America, you have the freedom to do what you want. If you choose to not use the 10-20% tax savings and choose to spend it on something else, that is your individual freedom. Unlike Europe where you are forced by your government, we allow people to choice to make bad decisions. But they have to live with that decision. And again, despite these bad choices, our system will still make sure to save your life in a time of emergency. Hence, the superior survival rate during this COVID crisis. Facts.

[Sirioja]

Regarding health systems, not the media, individual posters on this forum.

The media is however guilty of portraying carnage and woe and using the data deceptively which have been regurgitated here. Regarding the USA, I have rarely seen the mainstream video media talk about death rates, only raw misleading numbers.

Regarding minority death, oh hell, I work in healthcare and see the reason first hand. First, only 9% of people in America do not have access to health insurance, keep that in mind. 91% have coverage, that may not be universal but it sure is probably much higher than the number you were thinking. The difference between black and white insurance coverage is only 2-3%, that does not explain the current disparity in covid mortality. You know what does? Cultural behavior leading to comorbidities. Healthy diet and fitness just isn't as integrated into the black and brown cultures. Their lower economic situations does not encourage physical health to be a main priority. Access to primary care may be a factor, but hardly the major player here.

Isn't 9% = 30 millions people, half France, who can't afford healthcare, 11 millions illegal, Hart island for poor when dying, but at least, compare to Asia, we have US figures. Only facts, and my country is also not perfect, but people have healthcare, I pay tax for this, even for foreigners to have healthcare in France.

[Mr Ho]

To your question why did some countries have such poor medical systems and why were they shown in such poor light by Corona?

The answer is a combination. Some countries are poor and didn't have sufficient funds to build up a good medical system. This was probably true in China and will be true in India and Africa as Pistons said a few times.

Some countries do have money but didn't spend sufficiently on healthcare. Also, what they had spent on matters too. US spends 20% of GDP on healthcare but there are large gaps. We have a public / private payer system as compared to mostly public payer in other countries. So, for example we pay a higher amount for the same drug than in most other countries. We have some extremely sophisticated things in US but some hospitals may not have sufficient PPE.

More importantly, when a sudden spike happens in number of cases, any local hospital can be overwhelmed. This can be a local issue. US a whole may have sufficient number of ventilators etc but if you have too many cases in NYC and too few cases in Florida, You can not match supply with demand efficiently because these are sick patients and cannot flows to other areas of the country.

I agree with someone who said this before. Poly perhaps. The rich countries will be fine. We will beat this. Yes, a lot of people are dead and many will lose jobs and loss of networth due to stock market but we will generally be fine. I am not so sure about poor countries. Many millions may die in those countries.

I think we should stop talking about issue that cannot be solved in sex forum LOL, so let keep it last.

Some nations are not honest, good example is China. It is big nation now thanks to Japan for giving them technology and money via ODA to begin with if you know some politic (google ODA), but they are not honest government there, this also goes to Russia too, and also south Korea. In political slug, we call it the red team.

As for poor nations, virus has not got there yet, it is still spreading, and we begin to see it in Africa just recently like it took some time to get to Europe and USA and during that time Japan was giving warning because we are the first G7 nation with one of the most advance medical nation with many biggest medical companies in the world to get it as China is right next to us, but Europe and USA then thought it is a problem on other side of the world and they did not even begin preparing life support equipment production or even masks.

Also poor nations do not even have ways to test it, so they won't even know and if you can do mild to strong or even total lock down now, it is better not to test it. Testing do not do much beside sending them home or give them Avigan etc if they have enough Avigan, which nobody have as of now, we are making it now and it will be ready to ship out to 20 nations in May, even then you should save them for rainy days. You do not want cluster infections at hospital and collapse of medical system like what happened in USA and Europe. There was no point for those people to rush to hospital as they could not do much beside help those are in real need, which they could not due to over capacity of patients who do not need to be there.

Lock down is easier for poor nations as they do not have much responsibilities as other big nations. I already explained about mega companies in Japan, they cannot do total lock down, it is not about money or greed, it is safety net for millions of people around world in financial way, they need to be paid even they are staying home or they will die in different ways than corona and that is actually more dangerous. Plus we believe in balanced lock down, not total lock down, I mean look at nations with total lock down, what happened to them.

We are expecting more worst period to come, so we are preparing for it now, but it won't stand if this goes on for long time. But we know the equipment we have to produce and we have medical companies like Omron, cannon etc producing it and other companies like Toyota etc. Have restructured their factories producing it as well.

Problem is people in Japan, we have about 70 percent decrease in movement of people in Tokyo according to google and yahoo, but we are still not scared enough, we live rather normally still. Most shops, department stores, cinemas, gym etc are closed though, but many restaurants are open. So we are definitely not scared enough.

What did scary now is that, we saw a tiger and a cat infected, one in New York and one in Brussels I think, thankfully in zoo, not in wild, but if this spread to other animals to animals then to humans, it will be hard to control it.

Either way, it won't be fixed on sex forum and look Japan is doing fine as usual and we are the one of the hope here for making vaccines as there are only few countries who can do this and western media has to do their jobs, but they should worry more about some of western nations situation where death rates are crazy, people are panic to the extent fighting for toilet paper, buying guns, digging mass grave among other chaos that is very third world like.

Anyways, G7 nations at least are honest countries enough and they won't lie the figure as it has tremendous damage if they do in other field, but some nations do not test on purpose, it is called strategy, and also again there is no point in testing mild symptom people because after testing they be told to go home and rest, eat well, so they just goto hospital to help destroy medical system and get infected in many cases.

Let hope this will be gone soon and there won't be second wave like Spanish flu, which killed more people with second wave. And I am glad FKK did not have any cluster infection because if FKK did, they will be attacked by politicians as axes of all evil. We do not need another reason for them to take away our BBBJ LOL!

[Pessimist]

I do not get the impression that news outlets are using infection / death rates as a means to evaluate any one nation's level of medical care. If anything doctors and nurses in Wuhan, Lombardy, and NYC are seen as heroes. Nobody doubts their competency or blames them for high number of lives lost. All the blame usually goes to politicians who downplayed the threat and failed to prepare.

Milan politicians encouraging citizens to go out even after first 11 towns locked down: https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...navirus-crisis.

Germany politicians have been lauded. Their first chain of infections came a month before Italy's. They effectively contained that first cluster which bought them crucial time to ramp up capacity (urgent care beds, testing kit, medical / emergency personnel capacity). https://www.reuters.com/article/us-h...-idUSKCN21R1DB.

However, media from around the world is decrying the lack of universal health care in the USA, and questioning why poor Black and Hispanic communities are dying at disproportionate rates.

Germany has done a really good job indeed. The projected total deaths in Germany are slightly more than 7,000 by Aug. The other big countries in Eu have the following #.

UK 37,000+.

Spain 18,000+.

Italy 20,000+.

France 15,000+.

Italy, the much maligned country, has come back very strong. Models are forecasting very few deaths after May 1.

Sweden is at 13,000+ and NL is at 18,000+. Those are very high numbers for small populations. Not good management, and probably because they waited too long to lock down.

USA itself is projected to have 61,000+ deaths. Unfortunately, NYC accounted for so many of US deaths, and will by the time this ends.

As for excessive suffering in minority populations, it is an unfortunate fact. We do not have universal free healthcare as they do in Europe, and hence death and suffering will follow income and wealth axis in USA, at least at a broad statistical level.

Our beloved Romania is supposedly doing a fabulous job. Just 700+ total deaths by Aug. Bulgaria is even better at 225+. Poland is at 2300+. I guess they locked down when the rest of Europe and US did, and they didn't have too many people traveling back and forth between them to Italy or Asia.

[Sirioja]

To your question why did some countries have such poor medical systems and why were they shown in such poor light by Corona?

The answer is a combination. Some countries are poor and didn't have sufficient funds to build up a good medical system. This was probably true in China and will be true in India and Africa as Pistons said a few times.

Some countries do have money but didn't spend sufficiently on healthcare. Also, what they had spent on matters too. US spends 20% of GDP on healthcare but there are large gaps. We have a public / private payer system as compared to mostly public payer in other countries. So, for example we pay a higher amount for the same drug than in most other countries. We have some extremely sophisticated things in US but some hospitals may not have sufficient PPE.

More importantly, when a sudden spike happens in number of cases, any local hospital can be overwhelmed. This can be a local issue. US a whole may have sufficient number of ventilators etc but if you have too many cases in NYC and too few cases in Florida, You can not match supply with demand efficiently because these are sick patients and cannot flows to other areas of the country.

I agree with someone who said this before. Poly perhaps. The rich countries will be fine. We will beat this. Yes, a lot of people are dead and many will lose jobs and loss of networth due to stock market but we will generally be fine. I am not so sure about poor countries. Many millions may die in those countries.

France could move sick people when they were a bit better and could be moved, to other parts of France, or to Germany, Luxemburg or Switzerland. No states nor landers in France, easier to move. But big thanks to these 3 countries to help us a lot, to have free beds for worst cases. Average time in intensive care is 20 days, blocking bed and medical equipment, needing 5 medical staff to turn on back or belly, to help to recover lungs, and so many died, of course only worst cases were under intensive care.

Seem virus now spreading in islands towns in Japan, good luck to them, when France and Italy seem to be a bit better, after 9 black days in France. But Spain and now UK are in big trouble, still US also.

[Mursenary]

I do not get the impression that news outlets are using infection / death rates as a means to evaluate any one nation's level of medical care. If anything doctors and nurses in Wuhan, Lombardy, and NYC are seen as heroes. Nobody doubts their competency or blames them for high number of lives lost. All the blame usually goes to politicians who downplayed the threat and failed to prepare.

However, media from around the world is decrying the lack of universal health care in the USA, and questioning why poor Black and Hispanic communities are dying at disproportionate rates.

Regarding health systems, not the media, individual posters on this forum.

The media is however guilty of portraying carnage and woe and using the data deceptively which have been regurgitated here. Regarding the USA, I have rarely seen the mainstream video media talk about death rates, only raw misleading numbers.

Regarding minority death, oh hell, I work in healthcare and see the reason first hand. First, only 9% of people in America do not have access to health insurance, keep that in mind. 91% have coverage, that may not be universal but it sure is probably much higher than the number you were thinking. The difference between black and white insurance coverage is only 2-3%, that does not explain the current disparity in covid mortality. You know what does? Cultural behavior leading to comorbidities. Healthy diet and fitness just isn't as integrated into the black and brown cultures. Their lower economic situations does not encourage physical health to be a main priority. Access to primary care may be a factor, but hardly the major player here.

[Turgid]

My information is of course second hand but from reliable contacts, as I am not currently in Germany although I was there after some clubs had already closed. Some girls are still in Germany and are entertaining regulars, there are a few groups of girls operating like an FKK, but access is by invite only, and Chinese, and American visitors are specifically excluded.

Of course, Apollyon may have other thoughts

I doubt we'll hear from those regulars.

In my last few visits to Sharks ending mid March I collected contact info from some girls who were willing to come to my hotel. Most of the girls agreed to E150/1 hour which was fine by me. Any girls who asked for significantly more I discarded. One Latvian who I banged for E50/1/2 hour told me with a straight face E500/1 hour. In the end I decided to get the hell out of Germany. Good thing I did I might have been stuck there and accumulated quite a bill.

[Pessimist]

I know, we may have second wave even next year like Spanish flu, it killed more people with second wave. This won't be over till vaccines are invented, and even then virus can come back with different form like influenza is, that is why we get shot with updated vaccines every year.

Well, then why did so many nations around globe had destruction of medical system to the extent they did not even have masks or gloves or life supporting equipment were so short of needs that doctors had to choose who will get the life supporting system etc.

Look, I hope world especially human are wonderful as we like to believe, west love idealism. Japan like to believe in idealism too, we like it, but we stick to reality and are more practical. Meaning Japan think like this, if we say we are testing people so easily then mass public will rush to hospital to test themselves especially with japans good insurance policy where most things are covered and where people love going to hospital as we are health hygiene conscious race, so this will create many problems including cluster infections at hospital while waiting and even we test and tests results are positive, we do not want to treat mild symptom patients with medicine like avigan because we rather to keep them to fix it with their immune system first, either way there will be panic plus the cluster infections, so what we focused on is to make people to stay home not to gather and for those who need to go out side go out side if it is related to work or buying food.

It is different way of approaching it and japans way of not being idealistic and not trusting what mass public could do is different. We know what will happen if we begin testing people as they request based on mild symptom. And hey, it is Japanese mass public we are talking here, based on truth, we have reputation of being very polite, organized and disciplined than other nations, but even then we were careful to how mass public may react if people began going to hospitals. As a result, we do not have collapse of hospital here and we still have masks and gloves at hospital, in pharmacy, we stopped selling it as one request, but one can only buy certain amount per day and is hard to find now. But fed did give us 2 recyclable masks per person in Japan, which apparently cost 467 million USD to distribute this 2 masks, which could have made apparently 5 million pills of Avigan, which we want to make just in case there is over shooting of allowed infection rates testing. There is easy testing kits available, but it is not that accurate apparently, either way we do not test everyone at hospital..

To your question why did some countries have such poor medical systems and why were they shown in such poor light by Corona?

The answer is a combination. Some countries are poor and didn't have sufficient funds to build up a good medical system. This was probably true in China and will be true in India and Africa as Pistons said a few times.

Some countries do have money but didn't spend sufficiently on healthcare. Also, what they had spent on matters too. US spends 20% of GDP on healthcare but there are large gaps. We have a public / private payer system as compared to mostly public payer in other countries. So, for example we pay a higher amount for the same drug than in most other countries. We have some extremely sophisticated things in US but some hospitals may not have sufficient PPE.

More importantly, when a sudden spike happens in number of cases, any local hospital can be overwhelmed. This can be a local issue. US a whole may have sufficient number of ventilators etc but if you have too many cases in NYC and too few cases in Florida, You can not match supply with demand efficiently because these are sick patients and cannot flows to other areas of the country.

I agree with someone who said this before. Poly perhaps. The rich countries will be fine. We will beat this. Yes, a lot of people are dead and many will lose jobs and loss of networth due to stock market but we will generally be fine. I am not so sure about poor countries. Many millions may die in those countries.

[Saturn11]

My information is of course second hand but from reliable contacts, as I am not currently in Germany although I was there after some clubs had already closed. Some girls are still in Germany and are entertaining regulars, there are a few groups of girls operating like an FKK, but access is by invite only, and Chinese, and American visitors are specifically excluded.

If you believe their statistics Chinese should be one of the least likely nationalities to have it at the moment. Since yesterday doubt any Chinese or Americans are flying into Germany given the 2 weeks quarantine. I asked some girls at Sharks if they ever saw customers outside of the club some said yes, some said never. I imagine the girls that said never are relaxing that policy at the moment.

A mini private FKK sounds intriguing, wish I was in lockdown in Germany, not just for that reason. Sounds like they are streets ahead of other countries with their testing and availability of hospital beds.

[Mursenary]

Lower population densities certainly help, it is no wonder that New York is the worst afflicted area of the US. However the only way to assess a health care system is the mortality rate per those who are seriously afflicted with the d
isease, we don't really have such general statistics, but we can assess mortality rates per known infection.

And in that respect certain countries are doing quite poorly despite the futile assertions to the contrary here and from the numbers I have just seen on CNN, the US is not doing particularly badly but it is in an earlier phase of the pandemic, given the lag between infection time and death, the mortality rate will increase in the US.

There aren't really any effective treatments for this as far as I know, so it is really up to your immune system. The reason people are touting arguments like our health care system is much better, we will therefore handle it better or we are just better people is that they are deadly scared and nervous and hoping this is the case against a careful reading of the evidence.

Yet New York City mortality rates are still lower than these "hard hit" nations. NYC is one of the most densely populated cities, if not the most in the western world, and the death rate of those infected is still lower than entire countries even accounting for the countryside population in those nations. As of today, 5800 deaths in New York county with 92,000 cases. That's 6.7%. Several European countries are sitting at a 10% case fatality rate. At this point, the US is far enough along the timeline to have peaked. Intubation rates and hospitalization rates have gone down in the past 3 days in New York. Other areas will see a surge but it will not be as bad as New York. The US is already on the plateau phase and while deaths will continue, death rates will decrease even more.

Regarding treatment, I transitioned to the ICU last week and effective protocols have already been established. Medicine is more complex than the public who thinks that a magic medication will come "cure" this. As with all advanced viral respiratory illnesses, symptom management is the treatment. Maintaining adequate ventilation whether it is via ventilator or a simple nasal cannula, sepsis control through blood pressure management and intravenous hydration, and some antibiotics to address secondary infections. That's all there is to do. Some antiviral therapies may help but that is hardly concretely established in the literature.

[Pessimist]

My information is of course second hand but from reliable contacts, as I am not currently in Germany although I was there after some clubs had already closed. Some girls are still in Germany and are entertaining regulars, there are a few groups of girls operating like an FKK, but access is by invite only, and Chinese, and American visitors are specifically excluded.

Of course, Apollyon may have other thoughts

It seems to me that many mongers believe they are immune to Corona. It seems as if they would go back to their mongering ways today if they could if the governments allowed it. Social distancing and quarantine are mere nuisance forced on them in this narrative.

I disagree. I am not in the risky age groups and I do not have any Existing conditions that predispose me to the virus. I still am observing the distancing rules strictly and Staying home. I'm lucky that I can wfh w / o loss of any income, and the biggest misfortune that has befallen on me is the loss of a huge amount in stock markets but I can weather it.

Sugar babes are quite desperate now. I see many pretty new girls on the site, and most are out of jobs and have no income. If my intention was to just fuck a girl, it is easier to do so locally, and prices are even cheaper than FKKs. I'm not meeting them out of caution and for my own safety. I am surprised that mongers are desperate to fuck ex FKK girls in Germany whichever way they can. If you are willing to do so, you might as well eschew all distancing rules and try to build your own personal dose of herd immunity.

[Sirioja]

My information is of course second hand but from reliable contacts, as I am not currently in Germany although I was there after some clubs had already closed. Some girls are still in Germany and are entertaining regulars, there are a few groups of girls operating like an FKK, but access is by invite only, and Chinese, and American visitors are specifically excluded.

Of course, Apollyon may have other thoughts

Business in cars? In hotel? If still open in Germany, closed in France. My contact at GT is off now. My contact at Globe is at home. Both made big money since years, so they can take a rest for months.

[Sirioja]

First, you should read an article about why it is dangerous and stupid to infect yourself. You are either selfish or expect the girl to be stupid. Second, just because a girl has some immunity does not make her safe in any way. If she goes with a asymptomatic punter before you, her contamination will easily infect you. This virus is highly transmissible. Also, if she is immune, she has no incentive to adequately disinfect herself before you. In most clubs, the girls don't even fully shower between clients. Don't dream. Follow the science. If you want to partake, pay up and go with an escort that is not seeing 10+ people a day in a highly contaminated environment. Don't this that towel that is put on the bed will protect you from that infected punter before you. To be safe, everyone entering the club must pass a test. Do you think that is likely?

Sharks took temperature on 13/14 March just before closed, Oase didn't control, I think also no control in NRW. Pretty sure virus was already in FKK land, with so many guys and girls, still few Asians seen, but in brothels, we share some of our diseases, even using condom, better to be aware, risky playfield and can also be for relatives, I think about chlamydia for wife, or HIV from AO, a reason for the new law in Germany to protect families. About future and risks in these places, I think better to have gotten and recovered from, then no more risk about it, when quite impossible with so many guys and girls from all over the world, virus don t play in FKK land. Better to know for risky health people, but it could already be risky before virus, not only this virus in FKK land.