International travel and Covid 19

[Elvis 2008]

'This trial and its preliminary report have several limitations'.

Questner, every study says that.

'Reminds me of a stupid leftist comment that 'half of a bridge is better than no bridge at all'.

While I like mocking the leftists, that is not what is going on here. There is limited data on whether one shot can be as good as two, but the thing I hate with the percentages is they are talking about how well the vaccine protects against Covid but the real issue is how sick you get with Covid. As far as I have seen, even with the vaccinated do (and it rarely happens) get Covid, it is no worse than a common cold so for all in intents and purpose, the vaccine is close to 100% effective against someone getting severe illness.

But even if it does confer a similar immunity in the short term my understanding is that the second dose (for those vaccines for which a second dose is recommended) should provide a longer period of protection.

That is not known. What is known is the antibodies go up markedly after the second shot but with the surge of antibodies, you are seeing a marked increase in side effects with the second shot.

But there might be reasons for delaying the second shot in order to give more first shots where vaccines are in limited supply. A tradeoff.

I see the benefit of giving more people one injection versus fewer having two, but I am not sure how much of a benefit or if there is any benefit unless you are a vaccine manufacturer. That is why I keep seeing the percentages with regards to the vaccinated getting Covid being pushed over people getting the vaccine and having severe Covid.

That data is not as well known but if one shot prevents 99 or 100% from having severe Covid then we should be doing a lot more first shots and a lot less second shots. So what if people get the vaccine and have a cold for a few days as long as they do not spread it?

[Questner]

"Even before the second dose, BNT162 b2 was highly efficacious, with a vaccine efficacy of 92.6%, a finding similar to the first-dose efficacy of 92.1% reported for the mRNA-1273 vaccine (Moderna). ".

I'll enclose the link one more time for the sake of convenience.

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc2036242

The premise was to make things faster and easier. Read from the following sentence: 'This trial and its preliminary report have several limitations'.

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2034577

To make things easier and faster, in my opinion, the malady should be viewed as a malady only, three times more dangerous than a flu. Every other response is nonsense. Reminds me of a stupid leftist comment that 'half of a bridge is better than no bridge at all'.

[Zeos1]

"Even before the second dose, BNT162 b2 was highly efficacious, with a vaccine efficacy of 92.6%, a finding similar to the first-dose efficacy of 92.1% reported for the mRNA-1273 vaccine (Moderna). ".

I'll enclose the link one more time for the sake of convenience.

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc2036242

That level appears to be achieved around the 4 week mark. But even if it does confer a similar immunity in the short term my understanding is that the second dose (for those vaccines for which a second dose is recommended) should provide a longer period of protection. It does strengthen the measures of immune response, and this is why it is part of the recommended process.

But there might be reasons for delaying the second shot in order to give more first shots where vaccines are in limited supply. A tradeoff.

[Expat American]

Obviously.

There is no way you or anyone else is doing anything going forward without a vaccine.

You don't have to take it if you don't want to but just like you say NOTHING will be accessible without it.

https://nypost.com/2020/11/23/chaos-erupts-at-shanghai-airport-after-mass-covid-19-testing-ordered/

And this is exactly as it should be. ID like to see vaccine cards needed to go to the grocery store! There is no need for stupid anti science anti vaxxers to increase the risk to the rest of us and prolong the time to herd immunity and eventual return to normalcy. Sure you can refuse to take the vaccine. And be excluded from all public places.

[Xpartan]

Not true. Reading is basic.

"Even before the second dose, BNT162 b2 was highly efficacious, with a vaccine efficacy of 92.6%, a finding similar to the first-dose efficacy of 92.1% reported for the mRNA-1273 vaccine (Moderna). ".

I'll enclose the link one more time for the sake of convenience.

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc2036242

[TonyMontanaaO7]

Fairly comprehensive from what I see:

https://travel.usnews.com/features/w...avel-right-now

Thanks' for sharing this useful information.

[Artisttyp]

Fairly comprehensive from what I see:

https://travel.usnews.com/features/w...avel-right-now

[Questner]

If true, that might make things much faster and easier.

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc2036242

Not true. Reading is basic.

[Xpartan]

If true, that might make things much faster and easier.

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc2036242

[Xpartan]

I'm in the process of compiling a list of countries with no entry / travel restrictions (quarantines, negative PCR test, etc) and that haven't banned Americans. So far I only have Mexico, Croatia, Albania, Costa Rica, Tanzania, and a few that have flip flopped. Are there any others I'm missing that anyone here has had experience with traveling to recently?

If memory serves me, the DR doesn't require anything.

[The Cane]

I believe the United Arab Emirates is also on the list. At least that country used to be. Think it still is. A pussy haven for traveling mongers. Expensive, but not as expensive as Switzerland. And a pussy haven I say to you!

I should clarify that by saying that it was only Dubai that was open. The rest of the Emirates were closed to tourists.

[The Cane]

I'm in the process of compiling a list of countries with no entry / travel restrictions (quarantines, negative PCR test, etc) and that haven't banned Americans. So far I only have Mexico, Croatia, Albania, Costa Rica, Tanzania, and a few that have flip flopped. Are there any others I'm missing that anyone here has had experience with traveling to recently?

I believe the United Arab Emirates is also on the list. At least that country used to be. Think it still is. A pussy haven for traveling mongers. Expensive, but not as expensive as Switzerland. And a pussy haven I say to you!

[TonyMontanaaO7]

I'm in the process of compiling a list of countries with no entry / travel restrictions (quarantines, negative PCR test, etc) and that haven't banned Americans. So far I only have Mexico, Croatia, Albania, Costa Rica, Tanzania, and a few that have flip flopped. Are there any others I'm missing that anyone here has had experience with traveling to recently?

[The Cane]

There's so much pent up demand out there! When we get on the other side of this virus, there's going to be an explosion of economic activity, especially in the travel, hospitality, restaurant, and live entertainment sectors. Get ready to get your shots my mongers! Here's a useful tool for those living in the United States:

https://www.nbcnews.com/specials/plan-your-vaccine/

[Xpartan]

The New York Post recently published a story about something mongers here on ISG have been discussing for many weeks: faking COVID tests in order to travel.

https://nypost.com/2021/01/22/these-...-away-with-it/

I was actually surprised to find that CDC allows the rapid antigen test, since most countries don't -- due to many false negatives. But seriously, getting a rapid test isn't a big deal. It's not like PCR where you're left hanging, not knowing if you're going to get your results in time.