Thread: International travel and Covid 19
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05-17-20 16:10 #23
Posts: 763Originally Posted by Zeos1 [View Original Post]
The idea of "normal" international travel within controllable "bubbles" like Australia + New Zealand or Germany + Austria I can see, but you can't widen those arrangements too much.
I read Thai Airways may contemplate bankruptcy as a means to "rehabilitate". Doesn't give you much confidence in making any advance bookings. I think airlines and hotels may have to offer deals where you don't have to pay until departure of first flight segment or first night of stay, to allay fears that they may go out of business before we start our trips.
Sad thing is it might all become self-fulfilling ... everyone will be scared of travel company insolvencies and not make bookings, and that of course will cause their insolvency.
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05-17-20 14:23 #22
Posts: 6400Originally Posted by Zeos1 [View Original Post]
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05-17-20 13:39 #21
Posts: 1063Some news. Italy is reopening for INTERNAL travel. There have been restrictions on movement within the country.
Also some relaxing of travel bans between countries within the European Union. It's not wide open yet by any means but some easing of restrictions is to happen.
A couple of more wrinkles on travel into various places and the tools that will be used.
- Hong Kong requires testing on arrival. You self administer the test, then go to a "holding room / hotel" to await the results. If you are clear of current infection you then go to your 14 day quarantine hotel room. You get a 1 time use key card, and also a tracking bracelet I believe. You go into your room once. And cannot leave until your 14 days is completed. You cannot leave the room. Food is brought to the door.
So I guess the key ideas. Testing on arrival, plus quarantine, plus strict control to make sure you do it.
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05-16-20 17:55 #20
Posts: 1063Originally Posted by Artisttyp [View Original Post]
Air Canada just announced they are laying off 50 -60 percent of their workforce. They are thinking 4 years to get back to normal, and only back to 25% by the end of this year from their current 10 or 15% of pre-Covid business. Air Canada is in no imminent financial danger. To me this shows that they are thinking "back to normal" is not happening any time soon. These are permanent lay-offs. They don't feel they can pay all or part of the salaries for that long to keep them around.
I think domestic travel has held up a bit better in the US (it was / is very restricted in Canada) but I don't think any of the major airlines will be keeping their workforce intact.
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05-16-20 05:42 #19
Posts: 3851https://samchui.com/2020/05/09/whats...st-covid-19-2/#. Xr9 t1 S2 ZO3 e.
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05-15-20 23:25 #18
Posts: 623Testing
Originally Posted by Artisttyp [View Original Post]
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05-15-20 19:47 #17
Posts: 3851Originally Posted by Zeos1 [View Original Post]
I was going to add how would the test know if you picked it up on the flight over or not? Too soon to tell.
Another variable to consider now on is how you will address illness in your country of visit if you become ill on the road. I was recently in Negril, Jamaica. Just finding cough syrup can prove to be difficult over there. What if I came down with Corona?
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05-15-20 19:37 #16
Posts: 1063Originally Posted by Downandup [View Original Post]
Both of these tests could be useful for travel, but as far as I know there is no country that is allowing people in based on a positive antibody test and a negative virus test. That's the so-called immunity certificate, or immunity passport idea.
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05-15-20 18:55 #15
Posts: 936Originally Posted by Artisttyp [View Original Post]
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05-15-20 17:56 #14
Posts: 3851Originally Posted by LuckyNuts [View Original Post]
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05-15-20 15:27 #13
Posts: 623Testing
The testing industry is working 24/7 to develop in high volumes faster more accurate tests. This is a needed and necessary development both for our hobby and for some normalization of societies in general. As it pertains to our hobby whether it's a 15 minute test on arrival or a 24 hour approved hotel quarantine while awaiting results either requirement would suffice for many of us even regardless of a required fee as well. Let's hope the testing industry makes the necessary strides in getting where we need to be sooner rather than later.
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05-15-20 12:33 #12
Posts: 6400Tracing
Originally Posted by ShoesAndSocks [View Original Post]
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05-15-20 07:08 #11
Posts: 763If contact tracing forms a key part of the way to control this pandemic, I can't see how widespread international travel can be allowed.
Say I was in Frankfurt and I enjoyed my last night in Europe at an FKK club, and I'm required to leave contact details in case anyone in attendance is subsequently diagnosed with Covid-19. Then, next day I return home to Australia via Singapore. I've caught a train to FRA, one of the busiest hubs in the EU. Spent a few hours there mingling with travellers going all over the world, then onto a long-haul flight with passengers headed all over the world, then another couple of hours in very busy SIN airport, and finally another long flight home.
When I return home, someone from Frankfurt contacts me regarding an outbreak at the club and asks me who I have been in contact since my visit, so what happens then? I've possibly infected travellers across 3 countries, folks who have since travelled who-knows-where. Who wants responsibility for that? Certainly not me!
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05-15-20 04:25 #10
Posts: 666Strange if not scary
Originally Posted by Zeos1 [View Original Post]
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-h...-idUSKBN22R03R
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05-15-20 03:50 #9
Posts: 764Thanks, Zeos1, for starting this thread. I just discovered this through TripAdvisor:
https://thepointsguy.co.uk/guide/reo...w2sicRezQPiyo4