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  1. #833
    Quote Originally Posted by AndalusExpat  [View Original Post]
    As I've said before, it's a puta, not a girlfriend. There's only one person it the room having sex. The other's working. No doubt she doesn't appreciate the hygiene aspect. All sorts of things can be passed on by people's dentition along with the remains of chicken tikka & rice. But while you're occupied downstairs, she gets a break to compile the shopping list for Mercadona.

    Sorry to disillusion you but it's reality. Particularly with club girls. You're another forgettable face at the end of a long line of forgettable faces.

    As for visiting them, I probably don't in the way you do. I'm paying to receive professional sexual services not to provide them. I find girls trying to do a GFE on me extremely unerotic first time out, Enough to make me lose interest altogether, since it's so obviously an act. Not to say it doesn't happen. But that would be a few visits down the line when there's some sort of friendship may have built up. Even then, I'm often not exactly sure about that. They are working girls. It is a job.

    I'd want to see their bank balances before I passed an opinion. From what I hear from the girls I know, there's still a dearth of paying clients. There's been one round here all afternoon occupying one of the sunbeds. Not a tickle on her phone until 8:00 & she's gone home on the promise of what she expects to be half an hour. Pre-Covid she was making 2-3000 a week in August. Overnights at a grand a pop. Maybe the clubs are benefiting from the problems the advertising laws have caused? But it's always what they're pulling in over the week / month / season. Their daily living expenses eat money.
    I actually want them to forget my face but in fact it may surprise you that some of them recognize you even tho they have seen you only once 6 months ago, I am shocked at this.

    I def understand what you say about getting services and etc. But BBBJ is a service I think you want, and that is not without risks, so when I said visiting them, I wanted to say that you know visiting them has its own risks.

  2. #832
    Quote Originally Posted by GuyBrusg1957  [View Original Post]
    I have looked at from the Girl's point of view. She may or may not want to do those kinds of things. I can't speak for others at the club but I kept myself groomed, well dressed and clean. Sex is without kissing to me is awful. Kissing is is just kissing unless you yourself put meaning behind it.

    If DFK isn't common at places like Estark, that is okay and I will simply go elsewhere.
    It is common at estark but of course depends on the girl and also whether she likes you or not. But as AE says, always tell them straight in the face without wasting their time and if she rejects, just go to someone else. In estark from experience, I can tell you that EE are most likely to do it and are more honest than SA.

  3. #831
    Quote Originally Posted by GuyBrusg1957  [View Original Post]
    I have looked at from the Girl's point of view. She may or may not want to do those kinds of things. I can't speak for others at the club but I kept myself groomed, well dressed and clean. Sex is without kissing to me is awful. Kissing is is just kissing unless you yourself put meaning behind it.

    If DFK isn't common at places like Estark, that is okay and I will simply go elsewhere.
    It is, as I said, a service. If you want it, ask and make it plain if needed, you'll pay for it. I think a lot of guys over buy into the illusion these clubs are regular discos just happen to have a lot of unattached totty standing around in them. Hence the extensive chin-wagging that goes in their direction. You don't need to chat them up. If you want companionship, keep buying them drinks from the bar & they'll provide the service. (They earn on the drinks) Otherwise you just piss them off for wasting their time. They're working professionals. They'll be anything you want, do anything you want (within their personal limits) providing you pay for the services. If the one you're talking to isn't up for what you require, try a different one. Don't worry about hurting her feelings. She hasn't got any. If you understand it this way, you'll avoid a lot of disappointments & wasted money.

    Maybe it's the word "club" that gets people off on the wrong foot. They are not clubs in either meaning of the word. No membership is required & few provide any sort of entertainment*. They are bar / hotels host prossies.

    * Some of the better ones provide dancefloors & DJ music for dancing, pole dancers, strippers, live shows or live music performances. But that's definitely not Estark.

  4. #830
    Quote Originally Posted by AndalusExpat  [View Original Post]
    Often seen this question asked. Maybe you should try looking at it from the girl's point of view.
    I have looked at from the Girl's point of view. She may or may not want to do those kinds of things. I can't speak for others at the club but I kept myself groomed, well dressed and clean. Sex is without kissing to me is awful. Kissing is is just kissing unless you yourself put meaning behind it.

    If DFK isn't common at places like Estark, that is okay and I will simply go elsewhere.

  5. #829
    Quote Originally Posted by Qazwsx5  [View Original Post]
    I agree, very true.

    However the thing with BBBJ and DFK is that if you really want to look at it from hygienic point of view, the same can be said about DATY, licking and etc, so you should never visit them.
    As I've said before, it's a puta, not a girlfriend. There's only one person it the room having sex. The other's working. No doubt she doesn't appreciate the hygiene aspect. All sorts of things can be passed on by people's dentition along with the remains of chicken tikka & rice. But while you're occupied downstairs, she gets a break to compile the shopping list for Mercadona.

    Sorry to disillusion you but it's reality. Particularly with club girls. You're another forgettable face at the end of a long line of forgettable faces.

    As for visiting them, I probably don't in the way you do. I'm paying to receive professional sexual services not to provide them. I find girls trying to do a GFE on me extremely unerotic first time out, Enough to make me lose interest altogether, since it's so obviously an act. Not to say it doesn't happen. But that would be a few visits down the line when there's some sort of friendship may have built up. Even then, I'm often not exactly sure about that. They are working girls. It is a job.

    Quote Originally Posted by Qazwsx5  [View Original Post]
    Spotted a few good EEs but wanted extra 50 E for BBBJ, so even tho many are desperate there are some who earn quite good money.
    I'd want to see their bank balances before I passed an opinion. From what I hear from the girls I know, there's still a dearth of paying clients. There's been one round here all afternoon occupying one of the sunbeds. Not a tickle on her phone until 8:00 & she's gone home on the promise of what she expects to be half an hour. Pre-Covid she was making 2-3000 a week in August. Overnights at a grand a pop. Maybe the clubs are benefiting from the problems the advertising laws have caused? But it's always what they're pulling in over the week / month / season. Their daily living expenses eat money.

  6. #828
    Quote Originally Posted by AndalusExpat  [View Original Post]
    Often seen this question asked. Maybe you should try looking at it from the girl's point of view.

    Few women like doing either with a complete stranger. So let's look at incentives why they might. First, for a girl in a club there's not much difference between a half hour session & an hour. Past that they get more interested. Any punter lured upstairs is the result of propositioning several over a period of maybe hours of standing around on heels & trying to look interesting. And repeated rejection. After the event it's shower & repair the slap & back in the bar for the next attempt. For her, that odd 30 minutes more or less are trivial. She's not there, in her head, for any of it. She's doing a job, best finished. That's all. But the money is double.

    So how does she read you as a punter? Club clients are hardly the best. The best clients (for girls) go to the independents on prearranged appointments. Usually freshly showered, teeth cleaned & sober. Many club clients are long overdue for a shower, recently been dining with teeth full of food* & often well full of drink. You go to a club at the end of your evening, not the beginning, don't you? If she's read you as a half hour & most club clients are & at this point she doesn't know which way or the other, asking her for two things she doesn't like doing will likely get a negative. But it may depend on how desperate she is to earn some money. These days, most of them are.

    So if you must have the services (Although why anyone wants to share saliva with someone may have had a stranger's cock in her mouth shortly before baffles me. She's a puta, not a girlfriend) try making it plain you'll be up for an hour. Or just ask her if she'll accept extra payment for those services. It's like taking the car to the garage for an oil change. If you want the interior hoovered out while it's there you pay for the service. The hoovering comes with the de-lux. They don't do it out of love. And for her, it's exactly the same. This may change if you're a regular client of the girl. She'll want to keep you. But that's in the future or you wouldn't be asking the question, would you? But it is one of the reasons different punter's reports on the same girl might vary. The others are above.

    And always remember these are club girls. Her expectation of having a repeat session with you approximate zero. What you may get in the room after the money's in her bag may differ from what you were promised in the bar.

    *Why so few of the girls provide a disposable toothbrush, a tube of paste & insist that you use it has always baffled me. You can buy them in boxes for a few cents per. But putas are always reluctant to spend their own money on anything. Someone else is always expected to pay.
    I agree, very true.

    However the thing with BBBJ and DFK is that if you really want to look at it from hygienic point of view, the same can be said about DATY, licking and etc, so you should never visit them.

    Actually the brazilin girl at estark did ask you to use the toothbrush and mouthwash, (first time I saw it).

    Visited estark a few days ago, it is not very busy and as you say many of them are complaining, it gets busy at round 1 am till 2,30 and that's it they say. Lots of latinas with big fat asses and boobs, it seems the clients prefer them nowadays.

    Saw a girl called alexandra romanian, gives great service, very nice girl.

    Spotted a few good EEs but wanted extra 50 E for BBBJ, so even tho many are desperate there are some who earn quite good money.

  7. #827
    Quote Originally Posted by GuyBrusg1957  [View Original Post]
    Do most also reject DFK and BBBJ at the other clubs?
    Often seen this question asked. Maybe you should try looking at it from the girl's point of view.

    Few women like doing either with a complete stranger. So let's look at incentives why they might. First, for a girl in a club there's not much difference between a half hour session & an hour. Past that they get more interested. Any punter lured upstairs is the result of propositioning several over a period of maybe hours of standing around on heels & trying to look interesting. And repeated rejection. After the event it's shower & repair the slap & back in the bar for the next attempt. For her, that odd 30 minutes more or less are trivial. She's not there, in her head, for any of it. She's doing a job, best finished. That's all. But the money is double.

    So how does she read you as a punter? Club clients are hardly the best. The best clients (for girls) go to the independents on prearranged appointments. Usually freshly showered, teeth cleaned & sober. Many club clients are long overdue for a shower, recently been dining with teeth full of food* & often well full of drink. You go to a club at the end of your evening, not the beginning, don't you? If she's read you as a half hour & most club clients are & at this point she doesn't know which way or the other, asking her for two things she doesn't like doing will likely get a negative. But it may depend on how desperate she is to earn some money. These days, most of them are.

    So if you must have the services (Although why anyone wants to share saliva with someone may have had a stranger's cock in her mouth shortly before baffles me. She's a puta, not a girlfriend) try making it plain you'll be up for an hour. Or just ask her if she'll accept extra payment for those services. It's like taking the car to the garage for an oil change. If you want the interior hoovered out while it's there you pay for the service. The hoovering comes with the de-lux. They don't do it out of love. And for her, it's exactly the same. This may change if you're a regular client of the girl. She'll want to keep you. But that's in the future or you wouldn't be asking the question, would you? But it is one of the reasons different punter's reports on the same girl might vary. The others are above.

    And always remember these are club girls. Her expectation of having a repeat session with you approximate zero. What you may get in the room after the money's in her bag may differ from what you were promised in the bar.

    *Why so few of the girls provide a disposable toothbrush, a tube of paste & insist that you use it has always baffled me. You can buy them in boxes for a few cents per. But putas are always reluctant to spend their own money on anything. Someone else is always expected to pay.

  8. #826
    Quote Originally Posted by Qazwsx5  [View Original Post]
    Visited estark on Monday night at round 22:00 there were only 4 punters there and about 40 girls working. I was told that it is very early as the sun goes down very late so punters arrive much later, anyway the quality was ok, for Monday night, there were quite a few good ones but again like a few weeks ago, most rejected DFK and BBBJ. There was one brazilian girl, slim, very nice girl, very recommended.
    Do most also reject DFK and BBBJ at the other clubs?

  9. #825

    Estark

    Visited estark on Friday night round 23 , it was quite busy about 20-30 guys and 40 girls. Many were latinas, even the new EE were mostly with big (operated) parts, so it seems that most of clients now prefer them.

  10. #824
    Quote Originally Posted by RioFan1  [View Original Post]
    Appreciated, will get around next week!
    Went there, couldn't find Perla. But as a copy past of the description, I got matched with Victoria: nice experience.

    Other than her, was very disappointing.

  11. #823
    Quote Originally Posted by Qazwsx5  [View Original Post]
    I think it was perla. Long black hair, about 160 cm, slim, think fake tits normal size 70,75 . Speaks good english.
    Appreciated, will get around next week!

  12. #822
    Quote Originally Posted by RioFan1  [View Original Post]
    What was the name of this brazilian? A bit of description please (hair color, natural or fake tits, dark or white).

    Tx buddy.
    I think it was perla. Long black hair, about 160 cm, slim, think fake tits normal size 70,75 . Speaks good english.

  13. #821
    Quote Originally Posted by Qazwsx5  [View Original Post]
    Visited estark on Monday night at round 22:00 there were only 4 punters there and about 40 girls working. I was told that it is very early as the sun goes down very late so punters arrive much later, anyway the quality was ok, for Monday night, there were quite a few good ones but again like a few weeks ago, most rejected DFK and BBBJ. There was one brazilian girl, slim, very nice girl, very recommended.
    What was the name of this brazilian? A bit of description please (hair color, natural or fake tits, dark or white).

    Tx buddy.

  14. #820

    Estark report

    Visited estark on Monday night at round 22:00 there were only 4 punters there and about 40 girls working. I was told that it is very early as the sun goes down very late so punters arrive much later, anyway the quality was ok, for Monday night, there were quite a few good ones but again like a few weeks ago, most rejected DFK and BBBJ. There was one brazilian girl, slim, very nice girl, very recommended.

  15. #819
    Quote Originally Posted by Qazwsx5  [View Original Post]
    The thing is that what is considered beautiful or model type body nowadays is of course very slim, so that's why all the models have EE type bodies, but this is todays standard,.
    That's the fashion industry, not punters. Revealed preferences show that the fat girl does indeed get fucked. And revealed preferences on the main CDS board put Celina with overwhelming number of favourable reports. The only box she ticks is EE. But she does offer remarkably good services. Famous for them. This report just in from Alicante. http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/...6&d=1688135632 Apparently a "goddess" worth dreaming about. That figure wouldn't get anywhere near a catwalk. And definitely not EE. Unless it's East Eritrea. Punters like all sorts of girls. Why all sorts of girls can make a living. Mostly they want women they can feel comfortable with & do the business required. After all, no-one else sees them, do they?

    Let's be honest. Most punters are punting because they're not going to get what they want for free. Going after something that not only requires the money but probably wouldn't want to seen dead in the same room as the punter otherwise, is not everybody's fantasy.

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