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Originally Posted by AndalusExpat
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Often seen this question asked. Maybe you should try looking at it from the girl's point of view.
Few women like doing either with a complete stranger. So let's look at incentives why they might. First, for a girl in a club there's not much difference between a half hour session & an hour. Past that they get more interested. Any punter lured upstairs is the result of propositioning several over a period of maybe hours of standing around on heels & trying to look interesting. And repeated rejection. After the event it's shower & repair the slap & back in the bar for the next attempt. For her, that odd 30 minutes more or less are trivial. She's not there, in her head, for any of it. She's doing a job, best finished. That's all. But the money is double.
So how does she read you as a punter? Club clients are hardly the best. The best clients (for girls) go to the independents on prearranged appointments. Usually freshly showered, teeth cleaned & sober. Many club clients are long overdue for a shower, recently been dining with teeth full of food* & often well full of drink. You go to a club at the end of your evening, not the beginning, don't you? If she's read you as a half hour & most club clients are & at this point she doesn't know which way or the other, asking her for two things she doesn't like doing will likely get a negative. But it may depend on how desperate she is to earn some money. These days, most of them are.
So if you must have the services (Although why anyone wants to share saliva with someone may have had a stranger's cock in her mouth shortly before baffles me. She's a puta, not a girlfriend) try making it plain you'll be up for an hour. Or just ask her if she'll accept extra payment for those services. It's like taking the car to the garage for an oil change. If you want the interior hoovered out while it's there you pay for the service. The hoovering comes with the de-lux. They don't do it out of love. And for her, it's exactly the same. This may change if you're a regular client of the girl. She'll want to keep you. But that's in the future or you wouldn't be asking the question, would you? But it is one of the reasons different punter's reports on the same girl might vary. The others are above.
And always remember these are club girls. Her expectation of having a repeat session with you approximate zero. What you may get in the room after the money's in her bag may differ from what you were promised in the bar.
*Why so few of the girls provide a disposable toothbrush, a tube of paste & insist that you use it has always baffled me. You can buy them in boxes for a few cents per. But putas are always reluctant to spend their own money on anything. Someone else is always expected to pay.
I agree, very true.
However the thing with BBBJ and DFK is that if you really want to look at it from hygienic point of view, the same can be said about DATY, licking and etc, so you should never visit them.
Actually the brazilin girl at estark did ask you to use the toothbrush and mouthwash, (first time I saw it).
Visited estark a few days ago, it is not very busy and as you say many of them are complaining, it gets busy at round 1 am till 2,30 and that's it they say. Lots of latinas with big fat asses and boobs, it seems the clients prefer them nowadays.
Saw a girl called alexandra romanian, gives great service, very nice girl.
Spotted a few good EEs but wanted extra 50 E for BBBJ, so even tho many are desperate there are some who earn quite good money.
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Originally Posted by GuyBrusg1957
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Do most also reject DFK and BBBJ at the other clubs?
Often seen this question asked. Maybe you should try looking at it from the girl's point of view.
Few women like doing either with a complete stranger. So let's look at incentives why they might. First, for a girl in a club there's not much difference between a half hour session & an hour. Past that they get more interested. Any punter lured upstairs is the result of propositioning several over a period of maybe hours of standing around on heels & trying to look interesting. And repeated rejection. After the event it's shower & repair the slap & back in the bar for the next attempt. For her, that odd 30 minutes more or less are trivial. She's not there, in her head, for any of it. She's doing a job, best finished. That's all. But the money is double.
So how does she read you as a punter? Club clients are hardly the best. The best clients (for girls) go to the independents on prearranged appointments. Usually freshly showered, teeth cleaned & sober. Many club clients are long overdue for a shower, recently been dining with teeth full of food* & often well full of drink. You go to a club at the end of your evening, not the beginning, don't you? If she's read you as a half hour & most club clients are & at this point she doesn't know which way or the other, asking her for two things she doesn't like doing will likely get a negative. But it may depend on how desperate she is to earn some money. These days, most of them are.
So if you must have the services (Although why anyone wants to share saliva with someone may have had a stranger's cock in her mouth shortly before baffles me. She's a puta, not a girlfriend) try making it plain you'll be up for an hour. Or just ask her if she'll accept extra payment for those services. It's like taking the car to the garage for an oil change. If you want the interior hoovered out while it's there you pay for the service. The hoovering comes with the de-lux. They don't do it out of love. And for her, it's exactly the same. This may change if you're a regular client of the girl. She'll want to keep you. But that's in the future or you wouldn't be asking the question, would you? But it is one of the reasons different punter's reports on the same girl might vary. The others are above.
And always remember these are club girls. Her expectation of having a repeat session with you approximate zero. What you may get in the room after the money's in her bag may differ from what you were promised in the bar.
*Why so few of the girls provide a disposable toothbrush, a tube of paste & insist that you use it has always baffled me. You can buy them in boxes for a few cents per. But putas are always reluctant to spend their own money on anything. Someone else is always expected to pay.
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Originally Posted by Qazwsx5
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Visited estark on Monday night at round 22:00 there were only 4 punters there and about 40 girls working. I was told that it is very early as the sun goes down very late so punters arrive much later, anyway the quality was ok, for Monday night, there were quite a few good ones but again like a few weeks ago, most rejected DFK and BBBJ. There was one brazilian girl, slim, very nice girl, very recommended.
Do most also reject DFK and BBBJ at the other clubs?
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Estark
Visited estark on Friday night round 23 , it was quite busy about 20-30 guys and 40 girls. Many were latinas, even the new EE were mostly with big (operated) parts, so it seems that most of clients now prefer them.
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Went there, couldn't find Perla. But as a copy past of the description, I got matched with Victoria: nice experience.
Other than her, was very disappointing.
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Originally Posted by Qazwsx5
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I think it was perla. Long black hair, about 160 cm, slim, think fake tits normal size 70,75 . Speaks good english.
Appreciated, will get around next week!
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Originally Posted by RioFan1
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What was the name of this brazilian? A bit of description please (hair color, natural or fake tits, dark or white).
Tx buddy.
I think it was perla. Long black hair, about 160 cm, slim, think fake tits normal size 70,75 . Speaks good english.
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Originally Posted by Qazwsx5
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Visited estark on Monday night at round 22:00 there were only 4 punters there and about 40 girls working. I was told that it is very early as the sun goes down very late so punters arrive much later, anyway the quality was ok, for Monday night, there were quite a few good ones but again like a few weeks ago, most rejected DFK and BBBJ. There was one brazilian girl, slim, very nice girl, very recommended.
What was the name of this brazilian? A bit of description please (hair color, natural or fake tits, dark or white).
Tx buddy.
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Estark report
Visited estark on Monday night at round 22:00 there were only 4 punters there and about 40 girls working. I was told that it is very early as the sun goes down very late so punters arrive much later, anyway the quality was ok, for Monday night, there were quite a few good ones but again like a few weeks ago, most rejected DFK and BBBJ. There was one brazilian girl, slim, very nice girl, very recommended.
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Originally Posted by Qazwsx5
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The thing is that what is considered beautiful or model type body nowadays is of course very slim, so that's why all the models have EE type bodies, but this is todays standard,.
That's the fashion industry, not punters. Revealed preferences show that the fat girl does indeed get fucked. And revealed preferences on the main CDS board put Celina with overwhelming number of favourable reports. The only box she ticks is EE. But she does offer remarkably good services. Famous for them. This report just in from Alicante. http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/...6&d=1688135632 Apparently a "goddess" worth dreaming about. That figure wouldn't get anywhere near a catwalk. And definitely not EE. Unless it's East Eritrea. Punters like all sorts of girls. Why all sorts of girls can make a living. Mostly they want women they can feel comfortable with & do the business required. After all, no-one else sees them, do they?
Let's be honest. Most punters are punting because they're not going to get what they want for free. Going after something that not only requires the money but probably wouldn't want to seen dead in the same room as the punter otherwise, is not everybody's fantasy.
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Originally Posted by AndalusExpat
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As I said when I reported on it, Selecta runs as a villa not the way Estark runs. The girls are on a 50/50 split & non resident. It was much the same when I went in there. Monday night & few punters. Your assessment of the quality of the girls in only valid for you. The Spanish who will be the regular customers have an entirely different metric. They're not much interested in scrawny blondes & E. Europeans feature way down on their preference scale. Same's true on this board. Some of us value services & attitude & bodies higher than facial looks. (Pretty girl can be mostly selling pretty girl. Ten a euro on the CDS) I was told the numbers will double later in the week. No reason to disbelieve it. Monday night punters are different from Friday night punters. And the girls choose to work other nights may be different. Can't say I found them pushy. But I spend a lot of time around putas & am largely indifferent to them. (I'd just dropped one off in Torremolinos, prior to my visit) So maybe I give off different signals. Actually, I'd recommend that for anywhere. Act purposeful & don't gawp around the room. Avoid eye contact. One has plenty of time. It's all about establishing control of the situation. Because that's what they'll be trying to do. I was told 100 for the half. (Insert smiley emoji here).
Of course that assessment of quality is only valid for me, as I said if you like curvy ones etc, then you may find them attractive, as most locals do. The thing is that what is considered beautiful or model type body nowadays is of course very slim, so that's why all the models have EE type bodies, but this is todays standard, and not everyone likes slim ones.
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Originally Posted by Qazwsx5
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Tonight I went to club selecta in torremolinos, I know mondays are the worst days but it is summer so it should not matter much.
I entered at round 22:00 quite early, you can enter the parking area but then you have to ring the bell and wait for someone to open the door. The workers are polite and the interior is very nice (much nicer than estark or etc) there are many sofas and nice furniture and the minute you enter it you notice that it is a brothel as everythings red and the designed to be erotic. There were about 8,9 girls working, I was quite disappointed with the quality, the best one was possibly a 5 , if you like curvy ones and maybe a little on heavy side then it is good, I don't know. I was the only guy there so all of them made a move and tried to get my attention. I got a drink (beer and soft drinks 6 e, combination 10 , girls drink 20 , so quite cheap actually).
The rooms are very nice, big and some have jacuzzies, quite posh. The rate I was told 150 e for 30 min and 200 for an hour, for me def it was not worth it as the quality was quite low, maybe because it was Monday or 10 pm is too early. I didn't feel very relaxed as some of them were quite pushy even tho they knew that I was not interested.
Maybe during the weekends it is better who knows. The villa and club itself is very nice tho.
As I said when I reported on it, Selecta runs as a villa not the way Estark runs. The girls are on a 50/50 split & non resident. It was much the same when I went in there. Monday night & few punters. Your assessment of the quality of the girls in only valid for you. The Spanish who will be the regular customers have an entirely different metric. They're not much interested in scrawny blondes & E. Europeans feature way down on their preference scale. Same's true on this board. Some of us value services & attitude & bodies higher than facial looks. (Pretty girl can be mostly selling pretty girl. Ten a euro on the CDS) I was told the numbers will double later in the week. No reason to disbelieve it. Monday night punters are different from Friday night punters. And the girls choose to work other nights may be different. Can't say I found them pushy. But I spend a lot of time around putas & am largely indifferent to them. (I'd just dropped one off in Torremolinos, prior to my visit) So maybe I give off different signals. Actually, I'd recommend that for anywhere. Act purposeful & don't gawp around the room. Avoid eye contact. One has plenty of time. It's all about establishing control of the situation. Because that's what they'll be trying to do. I was told 100 for the half. (Insert smiley emoji here).
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Selecta
Tonight I went to club selecta in torremolinos, I know mondays are the worst days but it is summer so it should not matter much.
I entered at round 22:00 quite early, you can enter the parking area but then you have to ring the bell and wait for someone to open the door. The workers are polite and the interior is very nice (much nicer than estark or etc) there are many sofas and nice furniture and the minute you enter it you notice that it is a brothel as everythings red and the designed to be erotic. There were about 8,9 girls working, I was quite disappointed with the quality, the best one was possibly a 5 , if you like curvy ones and maybe a little on heavy side then it is good, I don't know. I was the only guy there so all of them made a move and tried to get my attention. I got a drink (beer and soft drinks 6 e, combination 10 , girls drink 20 , so quite cheap actually).
The rooms are very nice, big and some have jacuzzies, quite posh. The rate I was told 150 e for 30 min and 200 for an hour, for me def it was not worth it as the quality was quite low, maybe because it was Monday or 10 pm is too early. I didn't feel very relaxed as some of them were quite pushy even tho they knew that I was not interested.
Maybe during the weekends it is better who knows. The villa and club itself is very nice tho.
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Be nice (and not cheap)!
Originally Posted by Qazwsx5
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Some of them do DFK, BBBJ if they like you but you have to ask downstairs and make sure that they agree. They charge 100 for 30 min but there is also 10 e for sheets.
You posts remind me of a story I have told many, many times including very recently: http://www.InternationalSexGuide.nl/forum/showthread.php?p=2828295.
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Originally Posted by RioFan1
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I cannot accept a girl without getting DFK and BBBJ.
How much are the WG asking at Estark for 30'?
Some of them do DFK, BBBJ if they like you but you have to ask downstairs and make sure that they agree. They charge 100 for 30 min but there is also 10 e for sheets.
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