Guadalajara

[Prokofiev]

Dylock,
No, I'm not familiar with either hotel. If you are staying multiple weeks (4-12), then I think I would sign-up for a home stay for the first week and play it by ear. You can check-out your options after you are there in Guadalajara. I doubt that one week in a home is going to cramp your style. The esteticas are reasonable and even if you DO meet a chica or two during the first week, don't expect to score the first few days or dates. Showing respect is VERY important with mexicanas and you should move slow. So no matter how fast you hook-up with someone, the first week won't make any difference. Who knows, you might luck-out with a great homestay and you will be ahead of the game moneywise.
...The school does a good job of orientation the first day - with info, maps, tips about the city, etc. Read the Archives and beware of the strip clubs. I found them expensive and loud. Save your pesos for dates or esteticas. Valentino's is bare bones, but a good deal. Try it at least once. Don't be put-off by the coolness of the entrance. A locked door and a woman in a white smock who will look like a nurse. Once you are in the back, the girls can be as sweet as sugar.
... Th University is a short walk away-about 10? blocks. Look here for a tutor who might meet you an hour a week for a cheap lesson. You can hook-up this way. Also take advantage of the formal introductions so common in Mexico. If you want to meet a woman, find someone to introduce you. She MUST go thru all the motions of meeting you - and you will say "Muchissimo gusto de conocerla" or "El gusto es mio" etc. Getting your foot in the door is the most important part. After that, let's see how much charm you have!! Good Luck. -P

[Dylock]

Thanks Prokofiev. I never knew I would find the best school information on THIS site. At least I am getting the real deal here.

Besides homestay ($98 per week) the 2 cheap hotels they quoted me were Hotel Posada San Rafael for $13-$20 U.S. for night and Hotel Posada San Pablo for 130 to 150 pesos per night. The others were 4-star, so forget that. Do you know of these or other hotels? There is no question that the homestay is cheap, but I like my privacy and don't want to be in the boonies. Even their website says the families are about 30-35 minutes away.

I have read about the esteticas and it sounds exciting, even better than the TJ scene. I have the budget for that, as small as my budget is!

Finally, I noticed on a map that IMAC is a stone's throw from Univ. of Guad. with its ridiculous 180,000 students! There has got to be some tail walking around there, right??!!

[Prokofiev]

Dylock,

I was a Spanish student @ IMAC this January for one week. I took private lessons, so it was one-on-one at an advanced level. I learned a lot, but if I had taken group lessons there would only have been 2 or 3 students in my class. During the summer there are more US and foreign Spanish students-how many I'm not sure. However IMAC is primarily an English teaching school and has over 1000 English students. Most are female (60% or more) and they range from about 13-22, with most around 16-18. At 28 I would say that the vast majority will be too young to consider, but you will still find 50 or so senoritas 18+. Also several of the instructors are women 25-32. The school is busy from 8am-8pm 6 days a week, closed Sunday.
I don't think the girls want men 20 years older, but they WILL consider older men as mates more readily than in the US. At 28, you could date from 18-30 which covers almost everyone you will meet at IMAC, except for a few senior faculty. I have heard good things about the families and housing. The only complaint was that many of the homes are a good distance from the school. Also it will be virtually impossible to bring SW's ,strippers etc. home to Mom.
I like the location of IMAC, in El Centro near much of the cities action. Two recommendations: First, attend the nightly exchange program from about 6 to 7pm, as I recall. It's the best way to meet chicas at the school. Second, a cheap and reasonable place to get laid is Valentino's, which is only 3-4 blocks from the school! Massage and FS was 350 pesos and you don't have to worry about your home family. Read more in the archives from Feb and March 2002.

[Dylock]

Hey all, I was researching IMAC to be a student of Spanish and was hoping to go down there for at least 4 weeks but hopefully as many as 12 weeks, depending on money. I consider myself an intermediate student. IMAC seemed like the best balance for location, city size, and price.

My questions:
Do you think IMAC is a decent place to learn Spanish rather than teach English? They won't dog me out for chasing tail as a student, right? Are the homestays an ok deal? I realize I can't bring pussy home to "Mom" but I don't have the budget for a hotel for an extended period. I'd rather have the privacy, but you have to make sacrifices to extend your stay.

That is really exciting to think that there are more Mexican students of English than Spanish learners there, because I had this idea that IMAC (or any other school) would be just me and a bunch of boring white princesses from the U.S. (Not racism--I am white.) I am almost 28 so I don't think the age of the girls should be a problem unless these chicks consistently want men who are 20 years older. But please correct me if I am wrong about age!

Thanks for your inputs!

[Prokofiev]

Falcon,
I would recommend that you begin learning Spanish before you go to Mexico. It is a long term process and will strongly affect how you feel about the country. Before learning any Spanish I enjoyed a trip to Mexico, but never would have considered a move there. After 5 years of study I'm just begining to get a feel for the language. It has opened a new world. It would seem that you are around 40? You will find that much younger mexican women - 10 to 15 years younger- will consider you as a mate, if you have a little class and a little money. Treat the ladies with respect and you will be seen as a great catch. - P

[Easy Rider]

Originally posted by Prokofiev
[i]Gpiper!

You broke every rule in the book! Fighting with the local bouncers? Only 1 condom? Passed out drunk with a girl in your room at 6am with your wallet out? Ouch!! This time think with the BIG head, for your own sake.

Easyrider horn dog rule no. 29.....Never, ever, ever, argue with a bouncer. If they are rippin you off, politely object, go ask for the manager, but basically get the fuck out of there, and don't come back.

Never, ever, start shit in a titty joint. You might be bigger than that bouncer, but my bet is he can tear your head off faster than you can say Ahhhyy Chihuahua.

Consider yourself lucky......

[Falcon127]

montes:

You need to settle down and pace yourself. I did 20 years in the US Military and I'm still kick'n and in pretty good health due to a paced life style. This does not mean I don't like to have fun, I do. I did things I never dreamed of while in the Military. I too would love to spend some time in Guad., learn Spanish and investigate the possibilities of retiring there in the future.

What are your comments/ideas?

Falcon

[montes]

Gpiper: I've been back in the US for a few months now. Triying to re-establish my life here has been very difficult. I was gone for almost 3 years, came back broke, and also with some health issues do to poor surgery procedures in Puerto Vallarta's CMQ....and a very reckless lifestyle....the average 21-24 type of lyfestyle.....
I am trying to set up a cleaning business here in the US, but I am taking my time, no hurry. I figure my health comes first. As far as what business I want to set up in Mexico, well it can be a variety of things. I have a lot of hook-ups and know a large number of people who are business minded. Plus most of my family members are profesionals down there, Doctors, Accountants, lawyers, shit like that...basically what I want is the cash... A large sum...100G comes out to be about a Million in pesos, I can pretty much set up anything I want...a few uncles and cousins are business owners and live life 100 times better and much happier, than those who live in the US...plus they dont have to deal with the stress of every day life that builds up in the US...every week end they are able to get away.... come back on monday and the business is in tact...they pay their employees, at times double or triple the amount an average person can make in GDL...keeping them happy....

[Gpiper]

Montes,
I take it you're living in the Us now? Hope you don't mind me getting invasive, but what kind of work are you doing now and what kind of business do you plan on running eventually in Mexico?...Liked your idea of working in US and saving 100G over next few years to bring to Mexico and really enjoy the life down there. So does this mean you won't be taking any more trips to GDL or anywhere else in Mexico the next few years?..I may decide to stay in Us and do the same..make some good money the next few years and save, and during that time jet down to Mexico for some R and R ( 7-10 days each trip of strip clubs, esteticas, and outcall service!)maybe twice per year until i'm ready for a more permanent move. Besides teaching or tutoring english can be a grind in the long haul. i almost got burnt out on it after just a few months of tutoring back in '99!..Piper out.

[montes]

Gpiper: good for you that you can pass as someone whose 26 years old. Not many people have the benefit of looking young for ever. Aguas Calientes is a fairly safe city. So I am not surprised that people can walk around and feel safe. Dont get too comfortable in big cities. Guadalajara is not as safe as you may think...Mexico city is even worse. Just because you dont see, or hear about crime and corruption in a personal way does not mean it doesn't exist.. Just be careful. By the way, excellent salary your friend was making, not very common in mexico. Only a fortunate few can make a decent amount of money teaching English, specially with such small amount of hours. Other schools you can attend in GDL are Berlitz, Quick Learning, Boston Language Institute, and you will find many more in the Yellow Pages, however, I am not sure on the salary.... Women are always approachable in Mexico, as long as you are a complete gentleman, you will always have lady friends. Hopefully one day I can return to GDL and teach, I really do enjoy it. But first I need to save a large quantaty of money because I also have a business that needs to be taken care of in Mexico. I want to retire by the age of thirty. Live comfortable off my business, and teach English on the side....got six years to see what happens... good luck to all, keep in touch...

[Gpiper]

Montes,
thanks for the info! i think i'll pass on IMAC. Pay sounds lousy, as well as hours. Plus, i don't want anyone looking over my back when i'm trying to line up legal age poo-tang!..Anyway, if you hear of any other schools hiring anywhere in Mexico, let me know. By ther way, i had a friend who taught ESL in 99 at a school in AGS. It was grades k-8. He was at the school 5.5 hrs. a day, and only had to teach 4hrs. for a total of 20hrs., mon.-fri. He made 6500 pesos a month and made $5Us pr. hr. after school, tutoring 2 hrs. at the kids homes. He had no college dgree or tefl cert. He said they (the school), were real nice to him at first also. But the lady principal turned out to be a 2 faced ***** and screwed him over 3 months later; among other things, they wouldn't fix his apt. problems they had promised to take care of. He split soon after...As far as meeting women if i teach down in mexico, I don't anticipate many problems. Though i'm caucasian and a little older , my spanish is descent, and many girls there have said i look puerto rican, and can pass for 26...anyway, are you thinking of teacing in Mexico again??..As far as your earlier caption about safety in GDL. I was surprised to hear that. I was only there 1 nite in '99, but can honestly say that during my few months in AGS., i never felt more safe. It was common to see young school-girls walking home or to a friends home in town alone at nite by themselves at 1am, with no fear in the world. Me not being shy, I actually met a few this way! They were approachable at all times.

[montes]

gpiper:
Imac is an ok place to work. The pay really isnt good, but it just depends on how much you depend on your money. I worked there for a while until I was asked to leave the school because 90 percent of the time I was chasing tail...The girls are young, you will find few over 25. The administrators will be nice to you in the beggining, they will make you feel as YOU are their most valuable asset, but soon they will start fucking you over... Pay starts at 30 pesos an hour, about 2.50 USD, you will not get 8 hours of pay, but you will be requiered to be there all day, from about 8am to 9pm, with a few hours of rest in the afternoon...I am 24 now, I was 22-23 while working there, I did have a lot of girls on my back, from 18 to 23... I am hispanic, so that helped me alot, few girls are fond of older american males, at least from what i saw...but then again, many girls are looking for a way to reach the "American Dream" I did meet an american teacher while working at Imac, he was dating a 17 year old girl, which is a big NO NO... Girls must be over 18, thats the age of consent as well as the age in which they are consider adults. This girl got sprung on him, and he couldnt find a way to tell her, he basically got what he wanted from her, I dont know what happened at the end because soon I was fired as well, again, the administration keeps a very close eye on you. If they find out, or have any reason to think you are chasing ass, they will toss you out. Any one can teach at IMAC, regardless of credentials ...give it a shot, personally I dont think you'll like it. very demanding, very time consuming, alot of overtime hours, for very little pay... if you do get in, let me know...Word of advice, be careful with Cesar Vallejo, and Mrs. Ballesteros, dont ever let them see you talk to a girl....good luck

[Gpiper]

prokofiev,
thanks for the advice. i did try the same thing up here in us at tootsies cabaret the other day. dropped $250 on lap dances and drinks for a beautiful dominican girl who kept stuffing her pussy in front of my face in the private both and kept telling me how she would love to have sex with me and sleep with me at my place if i would come back at 4 am to pick her up, buy her breakfast and then drive her back later in the morning. of course i showed up, waited another hour for her to tell me that she forgot she had school in the morning. i was furious at the *****, and it took 2 huge, juiced up bouncers to persuade me to leave. i went home dry, sober, frustrated, and another $250 in the hole! i obviously haven't learned my lesson here....anyway, i'm gearing up for a big return to mexico soon. don't know if my stay will be for a few weeks or for upwards of a year. last down there in 99 when i was working and living in aguascalientes as an english tutor. chicks were super friendly and approachable. i had 3 steady girlfriends the whole time there, unlike the states where i had barely bagged a date the previous few months. the girls were quite religious, but not when it came to putting out. unfortunately ags. was a boring ass town with nothing to do, and i returned to us after a few months. anyway, i'm thinking of teaching in mexico again, possibly gdl. i'm getting a tefl certificate this summer, and will be wrapping up my masters degree in exercise and sport science here in florida in august. are there mostly 16-20 yr,olds at imac? are the majority **** or at least legal age? are they very friendly and sociable? i prefer my ladies between 18-25, but do not know the age laws down there. do you know if they're looking for teachers and pay well for someone with my qualifications? if i can't nail a good paying job up here right after graduation, i may lengthen my 'vacation' down there.

[Prokofiev]

Gpiper!

You broke every rule in the book! Fighting with the local bouncers? Only 1 condom? Passed out drunk with a girl in your room at 6am with your wallet out? Ouch!! This time think with the BIG head, for your own sake. Lipstick is a bit of a rip-off in my book. You could do the same thing in any big US city strip club. And you will find the prices are quite a bit more now than you quote from 3 years ago. Try the esteticas and get laid at 8 pm instead of 6 am and at 25% of the cost.

[Gpiper]

To: Falcon,Prokofiev, Montes, and Steve,
My 1st post! Will be going back to GDL in about 3 months. Was there for 1 nite, almost 3 yrs. ago. Went to Lipstick-girls were between 4-6 scale until about 11pm when they all turned into 7-9s. unfortunately i was told from the 1st chic that i had to tip the bouncer $5 for each $7 lap dance. I got pissed and made a stink, as i was probably bigger than the bouncer. Cooler heads prevailed. I proceeded to sample 3 more 8s and 2- 9's. One of the 9's (Jacqueline)had me meet her at 5am, which i did. During the lap dances at the club, she was jamming her toungue down my throat and told me to meet her at 5am at lipsticks, she would come to my hotel and give me FS and sleep with me for $50 plus taxi fare. I really thought she liked me. I arrived at 5am, and then had to wait an additional hour in the taxi before she came out. She then came back to my hotel. don't remember the name. I had 1 condom, which she broke while trying to apply. I had none left. She pleaded for me not to have IC with her, but i did get BBJ. Unfortunately, i passed out and when i woke up the next day she was gone with a lot more than than the $45 we had agreed on. At least she left me with my wallet, albeit no cash.