Ciudad Juarez

[Lucke]

Hi All,

Can we please just get back to the topic at hand; how much chicas cost and which ones are better at the sevices?

Thank you,

Lucke

[Meat Loaf]

If you were to give a cop a hard time in the U.S. or resisted arrest, you would end up with a nightstick up your ass.

I don't think you can do that shit in any country.

You're exactly correct! Like most operating in "pack mentalities, " without the visual intimidation (gangs, police, military, and race)they stand upon nothing.

I don't exist nor is my role to be intimidated or extorted by an employee who's job is to police. I'm not their supplemental income stream: The threat of arrest for not being extorted based upon your desireous mood for additional income is not my role. It's best to look somewhere else for a bribe or extortion 'cause it's the principle of the matter.

Here's the problem: Far too many Gringos are "scared" of the police arresting them and going to any foreign jail. Far too many Gringos are "inconvienced" by going to any foreign jail. Far too many Gringos are "inconvienced" by having to protect themselves from being over-charged on every purchase. It are these traits and other Gringo characateristics that promote police and foreign citizens to extort and over-charge the Gringo. Lastly, far too many Gringos "fake" like they are successful and rich when abroad when the reality is they are the working poor, just like citizens of foreign countries. Without the credit card and other credit debt, the Gringo would have nothing and that's within the USA. Hence, their existance is build upon a fraudulent foundation. This is also why the Gringo is two (2) paychecks away from "homelessness. " So why be scared when you're both in the same position? Working poor!

Quick Facts: #1 revenue generator of Mexico is PEMEX, the government owned oil Monopoly; #2 is CEMEX, the government owned Monopoly for cement; #3 is Mexican-nationals working within the US and sending money back to Mexico; and #4 is the Gringo and tourism. Is #5 the Gringo bribe?

I think this last post puts my behaivor on the police story in perspective: I don't exist as your supplemental income whether in the board room, court room, or while you're walking the beat. That's just me and my international rearing- a fellow Gringo!

[Meat Loaf]

And as I told you, I am not having a pecker size contest with you. You don't know jack shit about what I know and it is not about knowledge about the streets and areas of Juarez it is about behaviour which you seem to be incapable of good behaviour.

I don't need to act like a jerk and get arrested to "experience" life.

Mugroso

Mugroso,

Everyone is here to share information about the hobby. I went beyond the call of duty since many expressed concern about the Police in that area and Juarez in general. My lone experience is meant to be used as a parameter of what and how things may "turn" bad. I don't need to ast like a "Pinstripe Peckerwood" holding myself above the masses to imagine myself being successful like most "phonies" do! It's judgmental people like yourself that frown upon, illegimitize, and castigate anything that doesn't meet your shallow requirements of "prim-and-proper. "

My story is a great one as Jackson acknowledge with the distinction. It will be foreever used as valuable information for those who are concerned about the Police. Something is wrong when the entire northern border of Mexico ISG threads talk more about police extortion than they do the hookers!

Mugroso, again, let's call a truce! For I will not open-up any more "cans of whoop ass" upon thee and extend my hand in mongering commaraderie: Please except.

Meat Loaf: The True Gentleman (el Caballero Verdadero)

[EnormusDick]

If you were to give a cop a hard time in the U.S. or resisted arrest, you would end up with a nightstick up your ass.

I don't think you can do that shit in any country.

[Mugroso]

......As I told you last year, venture beyond your three-block radius.....

And as I told you, I am not having a pecker size contest with you. You don't know jack shit about what I know and it is not about knowledge about the streets and areas of Juarez it is about behaviour which you seem to be incapable of good behaviour.

I don't need to act like a jerk and get arrested to "experience" life.

Mugroso

[Hottoddy]

I have no idea and see no reason to nominate this load of crap as a "report of distinction.

It will serve as nothing but bad advise to the weak minded. Seriously, pushing cops around on the street? That immediately puts a person in the wrong. I have been patted down but never robbed in downtown and for those who have been jacked downtown deserve it for calling attention to themselves.

You are a guest in another country and you should act with respect, if not then expect the worst.

Actually, this post should be titled "How not to act in Juarez (or any other country)".

Mugroso

Just a bit cocky, are we? Amen brother Mugroso.

[Meat Loaf]

I have no idea and see no reason to nominate this load of crap as a "report of distinction.

It will serve as nothing but bad advise to the weak minded. Seriously, pushing cops around on the street? That immediately puts a person in the wrong. I have been patted down but never robbed in downtown and for those who have been jacked downtown deserve it for calling attention to themselves.

You are a guest in another country and you should act with respect, if not then expect the worst.

Actually, this post should be titled "How not to act in Juarez (or any other country)".

Mugroso

This is exactly the type of report that deserves a nomination as a "report of distinction" for the wealth of information enlisted. Maybe you should read each sentence and the tones therein.

As an aside, they need to reciprocate like treatment for Gringos as we exhibit for them on the USA-side. It's a known fact that we are overrun with non-law abiding nationals that receive the support and encouragement of their government to participate in such behaivor.

Maybe if knew more about cd. Juarez beyond "downtown" you could add some valuable information! As I told you last year, venture beyond your three-block radius. I can go anywhere I want in Cd. Juarez, do and did, without confrontation.

Again, get some "street experience" and maybe you'll gain some credibility! And regarding the cops: Any person attempting to extort another is in the wrong off the jump regardless of "rouse. " You sound like the type of kiss-ass that makes USA males go overseas to monger 'cause you promote poison. The sad thing is that you're a victim of your own poison just like Elliott Spitzer. Visitor in their country, please! You sound stupid!

Meat Loaf keeping real with real world and real life experience!

[Mugroso]

I'm more than happy to be of assistance to you "Paso Del Norte" habitants!

Regarding Police: In my many years of living in cd. Juarez and daily mongering I learned several techniques to difuse the policia. (I stand out in the crowd and speak Spanish as my second language. Portuguese my third.)

Fact: I did go to jail one-time for the night in this area!

Story: I was drinking in a cantina ...........

EDITOR'S NOTE: I would suggest that the author or another Forum Member consider posting a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here for more information.

I have no idea and see no reason to nominate this load of crap as a "report of distinction.

It will serve as nothing but bad advise to the weak minded. Seriously, pushing cops around on the street? That immediately puts a person in the wrong. I have been patted down but never robbed in downtown and for those who have been jacked downtown deserve it for calling attention to themselves.

You are a guest in another country and you should act with respect, if not then expect the worst.

Actually, this post should be titled "How not to act in Juarez (or any other country)".

Mugroso

[Meat Loaf]

meat loaf, please add my name to the list of mongers congratulating you on your extensive report on what goes on by the cathedral/mercado area. a report like yours is what posting on this site is all about.

my best time to check this area out would likely be in the late afternoon..early evening..before the sun goes down..so i assume it is still safe at that time?

my spanish is fine..my main worry..like many mongers..are the policia. like another monger said and i agree, i don't worry about the cartels..there are pickpockets everywhere..but the cj policia i do have serious doubts about.

my freedom

i'm more than happy to be of assistance to you "paso del norte" habitants!

regarding police: in my many years of living in cd. juarez and daily mongering i learned several techniques to difuse the policia. (i stand out in the crowd and speak spanish as my second language. portuguese my third.)

fact: i did go to jail one-time for the night in this area!

story: i was drinking in a cantina wearing a colombian-colored jogging suit. knowing the area, i never had fear for my safety or finances. a good run will have you at the cathedral within seconds. it's only two blocks away. within this area are a few private security guards, but don't count on them 'cause of "gringo envy. "

i left the cantina to eat tacos or go home or something. some rookie cop and his female partner were making the rounds and spotted me leaving the cantina / brothel. using that as a ruise for me being "publicly intoxicated" they approached me. always looking for a handout. ¡chinga su madre! (i don't why people think that all because you choose to spend your money on hookers, drugs, gambling, or alcohol, that you have extra money to spare or even want to spare extra money? b*thces: men can be b*tches too, especially in uniform! )

nonetheless, they approached me with the usual juarez montra: "do you have drugs? are you drunk? follow my finger. " i told them putos (b*tches) that i didn't have time for that bullsh*t and was going to my house in cd. juarez. he, the rookie, attempted to pat me down, but i turned around and told him no! the girl came up to assist him and i pussed her back repeating i'm goning home. learning her lesson and leary of an ass-whoopin' the girl stayed back leaving flaco and i alone. that rookie should have eaten his wheeties 'cause a shop owner asked him if he needed assistance. flaco said yeah so the gordo came to help flaco wrestle me to the ground. the girl was on the radio calling for help. flaco and gordo wrestled me to the ground and slapped the esposas upon my wrists.

at this point i was awaiting the rodney king experience, but that new montra of protecting and serving the citizenry was in force. they marched me to the pick-up truck telling the sargeant, "mide su traje! " (look at his jogging suit.) the sargeant responded, "buen trabajo. " (good job! )

in the pick-up truck were about fifteen (15) males and females, who appeared to have the routine downpacked. some were known by face and those that were known by face were those that role, if not live, the streets.

about ten (10) blocks away was the police station. we enter with me being the lone foreigner face. (for those that live in el paso, or ft. bliss, or biggs, and its pro law enforcement culture, getting detained is one thing. getting convicted is another. and for those that attempt to react in dis-belief to the above statement illustrates one's "fraudulent" character. i could talk months about that place el paso, but this is not the forumn.) so we enter and sit in the waiting room, receive our health interview, and wait to appear before the judge. my name was called and i approached the bench. offering the judge my respect "para la republica" (for the republic) and of my residence in cd. juarez overwhelmed the crowd. being a smart ass, the judge asked me if i was living in cd. juarez legally. response: no. i mean, yes! and began laughing. sientase (sit-down) was his order.

in the holding tank, we were packed like sardines. cement benches and cold cement floors. the toiled in the corner with toilet paper piled-up alongside. for those that ventured in that area the sight of "[CodeWord116]" on the toilet seat awaited them. kindlyl enough they provided blankets, but not wanting a disease i opted out. there was no room to walk! everyone was sprawled upon the floor. men were hugging other men due to the cramped quarters. "meat loaf" was holding his own. conversation-wise is what one normally can expect.

morning arrived and role call was conducted. after the second group was called my name followed in the third. yes, they do thumb print, and retrived shoe laces and wallets upon entrance into the facility. i did notice a non-american event take place: the two guards watching over us were male and females and i witnessed the male guard slap that fat ass of his female co-worker to hear her laugh in acceptance. "damn, i'm in mexico" was my reaction.

so on the exit, as we processed, the other guards asked me questions since i was the lone foreign face. the response were chido (cool.) the girls became intrigued. i obtained that fat ass girls number for a "booty call. " her co-workers had nothing to say since i was a foreigner (gringo) and they all deisre romance with a gringo.

we leave the jail at 8 a. m. and i return to my downtown el paso office speaking a sh*tload of spanish grosseros (bad words.)

that very same afternoon i went back to the area and cantinas!

lesson learned: (1) my colombian-colored jogging suit in cd. juarez is a major target for attention due to commerce. (2) refusing to pay a bribe when they assumed i would: paying bs bribed is just bad policy. opinion: one can pay the police at the scene or an attorney in court. either way, you're still getting extorted. difference, usa extorts inside the courtroom and prohibits extortion on the street whereas latin america permits extorsion on the street and via the court. which would / do you prefer? (3) pushing the female cop only exagerated the situation. (4) refusing to get cuffed in sight of the local populace made the officers loose face. remember, i was a foreigner wearing a colombian-colored jogging suit and that's cultural disrespect.

in summary, as i've expressed numerous times: the mexican police along the border are ridiculous. the northern mexican culture is consumed with "gringo envy. " therefore, every person and every place will have some extent of "gringo envy. "

i spent over five (5) years in this area, gained popularity, and only experienced one negative event. furthermore, i was mid-to-late 20s and that always invites the threat of violence. point being, there is so much traffic in this area that you more than likely will go with detection or concern and if the police do approach you it simply is the same juarez routine.

i simply look dead into the police eyes and tell them "i aint paying you nothing! i got dreams of getting rich too! i got bills and lots of them. do you want some of those? no, no, no. i can't help you. you better look for somebody else to extort 'cause i aint payin' nothin. " "jail, cool. let's go. every week the us consulate checks the jails for gringos. if you want to do additional paperwork and still get no bribe. hey i like tacos and burritos. which jail, the one here in downtown about 10 blocks away? no offense, but i gotta' go! cuidate! " the entire time looking into their eyes with seriousness and a foolish surprise. result: never do i pay, get frisked, or any other violation of my personal space.

i hope this story helps you guys understand the area better and why i still claim this area to be the #1 spot for cd. juarez mongering.

editor's note: i would suggest that the author or another forum member consider posting a link to this report in the reports of distinction thread. please click here for more information.

[My Freedom]

Meat Loaf, please add my name to the list of mongers congratulating you on your extensive report on what goes on by the Cathedral/Mercado area. A report like yours is what posting on this site is all about.

My best time to check this area out would likely be in the late afternoon..early evening..before the sun goes down..so I assume it is still safe at that time?

My Spanish is fine..my main worry..like many mongers..are the policia. Like another monger said and I agree, I don't worry about the cartels..there are pickpockets everywhere..but the CJ policia I DO have serious doubts about.

My Freedom

[Amzeta]

Meat Loaf,

That is one hell of a report you wrote, thanks for the info. Would it be too much to ask you to add some of these locations to wikimapia?

Thanks again for the info.

I have added location of general area of the mercado y bares to wikimapia. Try not to stray south of mina or bottom of identified square. Also, Spanish is required in this area. Your mileage may very, as many of the bar girls don't openly go out with just anyone.

[Meat Loaf]

Meat Loaf,

That is one hell of a report you wrote, thanks for the info. Would it be too much to ask you to add some of these locations to wikimapia?

Thanks again for the info.

Butt Munchu,

I don't know how to work the wikimapia or google map, so unfortunately I can not.

[EnormusDick]

Behind the Cathedral / Mercado means 2 blocks deeper into cd. juarez walking further from the bridge. Keeping walking down Avenida Juarez until it ends and keep walking two blocks in the same direction (away from the bridge) deeper into cd. juarez.

Cars can not cruise this area, but one block behind are streets and a residential neighborhood.

Thanx ML. This is what the forum is all about, helping other mongers. thanx again and don't let your meat loaf.

[Meat Loaf]

Check the reports of distinction thread for the exact location. I wrote my personal guide to cd. Juarez and it's listed in that thread. Walk all the way down Avenida Juarez until it ends. Walk about 2 more blocks in the same direction. Around the corner approximately from that new building / shopping center. There is an outdoor flea market type street with all the salon de bailes. It's not a street, but a gangway or sidewalk. This entire area which about two blocks has discos, brothels, hotel rooms, cantinas, food, clothing, etcetera. The area is 100% local with lots of people. Don't worry about not blending in with your appearance. The people will be a little curious on why you have the balls to be there anyway. I would take my clients there and have a blast. You will not see any Gringos. It's 100% local.

IMHO, this is the best area for mongering cd. Juarez!

The set-up: Starting at 11 a. M. The bars open. Since all the buses in cd. Juarez use this area as the terminal there is a lot of traffic with people catching buses. There is one cantina that has live norteno music sung by "Pelon. " This area is pura caguama (watering hole.) Since everyone is catching a bus, the girls of cd. Juarez converge upon the area. Guys too. At around 1 p. M. The places are packed. Girls walk into the cantinas and walk out. Lined up along the wall are about 40 girls sitting and gossiping. If the girl wants to drink with you she can. The girls are 100% independant. Any girl can work within these cantinas.

You can purchase your favorite nortena and the band will play it. You can also sing the song if you choose. Those bolos (drunks) spend a lot of money buying music. For a quarter you can ask one of the girls to dance a song with you. In fact, this is how the girls make money. They dance nortenas with you. After a few songs she's made money to eat and feed the family. If you develop a good rapport and want to bang her, simply ask. Next door are several hotel rooms that charge about $3 for 30-minutes. Always pay for the room yourself. Don't let the broad pay 'cause she may attempt to inflate the price. Pay the girl her US $20 and bang her for 30-minutes.

Outside of these cantinas are more hookers sitting in front of the various hotels. They too are independants. The area has women of all ages from teenie to senior citizen. I would bang a lot of the senoras (middle aged) women 'cause those Mexican senoras has so much p*ssy hair it's amazing. The hotel rooms are no thrills. The girls will wash their coochies with a pan of water after the session.

The area is jumpin' from about 1 p. M. Until 6 p. M. When everyone returns home from their various commutes.

After 6 p.m. The area is pure streetwalkers! The cantinas pretty much are empty. The area is full of streetwalkers. The hookers await for customers until 5 a. M. This area does not look pretty. This area may look intimidating. But with time and comfortability it will not be scary. Do be prepared to protect yourself although it shouldn't be a problem. The area is full of police who will look for a bribe. Once again, the area at night doesn't look pretty. Daytime is great and the best fun. No other area in cd. Juarez can compare to those in search of hookers on a 24-hour cycle.

I've banged probably over 100 of those hookers. Developed friendships with them. Went to their homes. Invited them to my home. And all that sort of thing. To bang all night costs about US $40 to 80.

The area has discos which are cool and host stripping contests. Discos that play cumbia and the sort. The discos have hookers working too, but it's a disco, so "non-pros" exist.

This area is the best area of CD. Juarez and is availabale 24-hours per day. Drugs do exist in the area so choose you hooker appropriately and watch out for the pick-pockets. The girls that work this area are seasoned hookers!

EDITOR'S NOTE: I would suggest that the author or another Forum Member consider posting a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here for more information.

Behind the Cathedral / Mercado means 2 blocks deeper into cd. juarez walking further from the bridge. Keeping walking down Avenida Juarez until it ends and keep walking two blocks in the same direction (away from the bridge) deeper into cd. juarez.

Cars can not cruise this area, but one block behind are streets and a residential neighborhood.

[Butt Munchu]

Meat Loaf,

That is one hell of a report you wrote, thanks for the info. Would it be too much to ask you to add some of these locations to wikimapia?

Thanks again for the info.