Ciudad Juarez

[Bbond]

Okay, hang on a second guys. Joe Vato says the girl charged $40 US dollars for a regular massage, and Papushko says they charge $30 US dollars for a regular massage. Uhm, so what happened here when Joe Vato paid $40 US dollars? I'll make a guess. The girl probably told Joe it's $40 US dollars, so that's what he paid, not knowing he was suppose to pay only $30 US dollars. The girl takes the $40 dollars out to management, and tells management she needs $10 US dollars for change to give back to Joe. So management gives her $10 US dollars to give back to Joe. Management thinks everything is okay. So does the girl give Joe back the $10 in change? No. She puts the $10 in her pocket, and Joe doesn't know he's been ripped off $10 by the girl. It wasn't management that ripped him off, it was the girl. I'm guessing here, but I'm betting this is what happened.

I am with Xf on that, the girl thought she could make an easy $10, so she did it. Management could ask her to repay it or get fired, they don't need rip offs to ruin their reputation, but good girls are hard to come by. There's not many that won't take advantage when they can, just their nature. Easily solved for the future, post prices, in dollars and pesos, make it clear, up front, what the costs are.

[Mugroso]

Just because someone has a differing view or offers explanation on an experience is no reason to call them out and make threats. If you know someone in real, have some class and leave it off the boards and grow up. This isn't play school.

[JT Traviezo]

It wasn't the massage parlor that wanted to charge Joe in dollars without an exchange rate, it was the girl who pulled a fast one on Joe. I'm guessing this is what happened.

Joe, I think the girl took you for a ride. And you're an experienced monger. I'm very disappointed in you Joe. Very disappointed.

Detective Xfactors:

Or both the girl and management split the ripoff. At San Souci, management will give you an exchange rate of $12 MX to the dollar. So yes it's best to have pesos on hand preferably in small bills no higher than $50 MX.

[Joe Vato]

Hi X-factors.

Looking forward to seeing you again.

Joe Vato.

[Xfactors]

Get your facts straight X-factors. It was a total of three girls that wanted to upcharge and I did the smart thing. I walked away. I have read your reports and you tend to be a smart ass with people that post. As if you have the mongering experience down pat. I have met you and I know exactly who you are so keep in mind that you and I will have a little discussion about this when I see you in Juarez. Mexico is not the USA. You should know this by now. Looking forward to seeing you. We can compare notes.

Joe Vato.

Oh please, give me a break.

[Joe Vato]

Get your facts straight X-factors. It was a total of three girls that wanted to upcharge and I did the smart thing. I walked away. I have read your reports and you tend to be a smart ass with people that post. As if you have the mongering experience down pat. I have met you and I know exactly who you are so keep in mind that you and I will have a little discussion about this when I see you in Juarez. Mexico is not the USA. You should know this by now. Looking forward to seeing you. We can compare notes.

Joe Vato.

[Bbond]

It wasn't the massage parlor that wanted to charge Joe in dollars without an exchange rate, it was the girl who pulled a fast one on Joe. I'm guessing this is what happened.

Could all be avoided simply by paying with local currency, pesos. At the present exchange rates, 400 pesos is less than US$25.

[Bachelor Warrior]

I'm hispanic and I've already gotten robbed 3 times by the crooked cops. However, I am americano and the cops, along with everyone else, can smell us a mile away. And if we go often, like I do they know us for sure. I also believe the people we come in contact with, taxi drivers, working girls (the ones we didn't do business with), security gaurds, etc snitch on us to get a cut. At least I believe that to be my case because on the 3rd ocassion that I got robbed I actually got stopped twice at the exact same location. The first time I hadn't drank anything so they had no cause to rob me. However, the second time I had already drank a couple of beers so I was fucked. Handed over $200 MX ($13 USD). Later that night I paid $30 USD (full service, room included) for a good lay with a 24 yr old spinner. So I figured I'm still ahead. $45 USD for a young, tight pussy is cheap.

I had not thought about the cabbies maybe snitching to the cops. Something to think about. Thanks for the post.

[Xfactors]

I dropped by Stoya a few weeks ago. Make sure that you take plenty of pesos with you. Otherwise they will want to charge you in dollars without an exchange rate. For example, if they want 400.00 pesos they will want forty dollars instead of going for the current exchange rate of dollars to pesos. This in itself is a bad way to do business but to each his own. I will say the girls are nice looking and the place is without question first class. The management is cool and I really should of talked to the management instead of the girls about the prices. Stoya with time could become the go to place for mongers. Worth a visit to check it out.

Joe Vato.

Okay, hang on a second guys. Joe Vato says the girl charged $40 US dollars for a regular massage, and Papushko says they charge $30 US dollars for a regular massage. Uhm, so what happened here when Joe Vato paid $40 US dollars? I'll make a guess. The girl probably told Joe it's $40 US dollars, so that's what he paid, not knowing he was suppose to pay only $30 US dollars. The girl takes the $40 dollars out to management, and tells management she needs $10 US dollars for change to give back to Joe. So management gives her $10 US dollars to give back to Joe. Management thinks everything is okay. So does the girl give Joe back the $10 in change? No. She puts the $10 in her pocket, and Joe doesn't know he's been ripped off $10 by the girl. It wasn't management that ripped him off, it was the girl.

I'm guessing here, but I'm betting this is what happened.

What does Papushko say to do if this happens? Here's his response, if this happens, and I'm quoting, "If a girl charged you 40 dlls for the regular massage let us know and we will look into this. " Joe didn't realize he had been ripped off by the girl, so he didn't bother to inform management.

How did Joe view this? Well he states how he viewed this, and I'm quoting Joe here, " Make sure that you take plenty of pesos with you. Otherwise they will want to charge you in dollars without an exchange rate. For example, if they want 400.00 pesos they will want forty dollars instead of going for the current exchange rate of dollars to pesos. This in itself is a bad way to do business but to each his own. ".

It wasn't the massage parlor that wanted to charge Joe in dollars without an exchange rate, it was the girl who pulled a fast one on Joe. I'm guessing this is what happened.

Joe, I think the girl took you for a ride. And you're an experienced monger. I'm very disappointed in you Joe. Very disappointed.

Detective Xfactors:

[Bbond]

Sure, you are not an exchange house but an MP. So why do restaurants, pharmacies, hotels and other MPs extend the courtesy of the current exchange rate for their customers? Ask yourself this question. You might learn something.

In somewhat a defense for the exchange rates he chooses, it is not always possible they will have correct change, sure the high volume sellers give a better rate as they have the change available. Rounding to even dollars is his preferred method. Why is paying in pesos an issue? You will generally get better prices by doing so. In any case, prices should be posted, with both dollar and peso amounts stated, as to avoid any confusion.

[Joe Vato]

Hey Papushko,

I stand by my report on your girls trying to upcharge me because I did not have pesos on me. I have been involved in this hobby for much longer than Stoya's has been open. You could learn a thing or two from me as to my travels as a monger in Brazil, Argentina, China and most European countries. You can toss in the Middle East and Africa for good measure. Just because I reported an upcharge by your girls does not make it true? So wrong. I only submit factual reports. Period.

When I eat at a restaurant in Juarez they extend the courtesy of the current exchange rate. Fellow mongers that visit various pharmacies in Juarez know that the good ones will give one the current exchange rate. Go to a nice hotel such as Fiesta or Lucerna and they will give the current exchange rate. Does not matter if you pay in dollars or with a credit card. No need to worry about an extra charge for using a credit card. Not even a penny or shall we say peso. I can even name MPs that will offer the current exchange rate.

I have noticed that you like to promote Stoya's via this website. Fine. Yet realize that this website is so fellow mongers can share accurate information about our adventures with the hobby. Obviously you did not like me posting about the upcharge by your girls. Suck it up. It is true. Think about it. Sure, you are not an exchange house but an MP. So why do restaurants, pharmacies, hotels and other MPs extend the courtesy of the current exchange rate for their customers? Ask yourself this question. You might learn something.

[Papushko]

Papushko,

What about time with the girls? Is it possible for the girls to join us for a drink, eat and visit. While we make up our mind for a session?

They can join you for a few minutes, but they cannot stay with you too long, because they make their money giving massages, so they will want to go and present themselves to the clients that come in.

[Papushko]

I dropped by Stoya a few weeks ago. Make sure that you take plenty of pesos with you. Otherwise they will want to charge you in dollars without an exchange rate. For example, if they want 400.00 pesos they will want forty dollars instead of going for the current exchange rate of dollars to pesos. This in itself is a bad way to do business but to each his own.

This is absolutely not true. We do charge 30 dlls for the regular service because we do not carry singles, but for example we charge 40 dlls for the shower massage which costs 600 pesos. If you pay with a credit card we charge 28 dlls (27 dlls for the service and 1 dlls for the credit card convenience fee the merchant charges us).

If a girl charged you 40 dlls for the regular massage let us know and we will look into this. Otherwise expect to pay the prices I stated above.

However, the recommendation Joe Vato gives is pretty good, either with us or any other MP or establishment in any country. It is wise to use local currency. Please remember we are not a currency exchange place, but a Massage Parlor.

[Joe Vato]

I dropped by Stoya a few weeks ago. Make sure that you take plenty of pesos with you. Otherwise they will want to charge you in dollars without an exchange rate. For example, if they want 400.00 pesos they will want forty dollars instead of going for the current exchange rate of dollars to pesos. This in itself is a bad way to do business but to each his own. I will say the girls are nice looking and the place is without question first class. The management is cool and I really should of talked to the management instead of the girls about the prices. Stoya with time could become the go to place for mongers. Worth a visit to check it out.

Joe Vato.

[The Hooligan]

Fellow mongers, I'm heading to Juarez this weekend after a very long absence. I've RTFF for all the updates. Looks like a lot has changed since my last visit many years ago. I plan to pay a visit to my old hunting grounds of Sirenas and El Encanto since I always enjoyed the convenience of having lunch at the nearby El Herradero steakhouse after my sessions.

Stoya sounds like a very interesting place to stop by too. I'll have to add that to my list. Does any one know if Cleopatras off of Avenida Juarez is still open or was it permanently closed after the raids last year?