Seeking Arrangements

[SavePros321]

OK total respect to fellow mongers out there and whatever floats your boat is your thing and it's not for me to judge but good heavens there seem to be a lot of deluded fools on this thread (perhaps you aren't deluded but you actually enjoy the experience of being taken for a fool, if so I apologise).

I usually post on another specific forum, but bored with this WuFlu lockdown I started looking around to see how the rest of the world lives and I came upon this thread.

The more I read the farther my chin dropped toward the floor. I could barely believe the naivety that I was reading on a forum dedicated to having sex with prostitutes.

Look guys, these "SBs" of which you speak are prostitutes, very expensive prostitutes and prostitutes that play hard to get and take a lot of time and effort to have sex with, you know what that makes them? Very bad prostitutes.

I don't wish to single out one poster but this post summed it up for me, why on earth should you have to go to all that trouble to have sex with a woman whom you are paying to have sex with?

I used to go through all that effort as a young man desperately seeking to have sex with a woman I fancied, the dates, the dressing up, the trying to impress, the attempt to prove I have game, the spending money on expensive dinners in the sad hope that she might find me acceptable to her, the disappointment when she decided I didn't meet her high standards or that she actually had a better offer that night. But see, I wasn't paying these women money to have sex, I wanted sex at the end of it without payment.

Hey,

This guy gets it, LOL. One of the best posts that I've read in a long while.

I don't have anything further to add.

But in all fairness: professional wh () res have deadbeat, jock losers too, LOL.

[SavePros321]

I played my hand and I lost. Big deal. I will treat them as prostitutes from now on. I thought there was a difference between an arrangement and an escort. I have met her in person. I thought she would be great to have as a sugar baby. This woman is a good-looking UC student. She kept saying she did not want to be a working girl. One report on ISG said that an UC Berkeley woman received $3000 a month. I was trying for $2000. I will not give her any more money but she is still texting me once a day. Right now she is at one of the local demonstrations. I am probably a fall back position for her now. Have fun with your $30 dollar tattooed hookers with a kid in Medellin if that is your thing. I will probably meet you down there one day.

Not my place to tell a grown man what to do with his money.

Anytime I see those kinds of numbers floated around, I then ask myself:

"What is it that one woman could do for me for that amount of money?

I know that:

- If I wanted to spend $3000 on sex, I could find 10 college babes who would be more than happy to take $300 per meet up. Or 2 chicks that I really dig who I can give $300 to 5 times each.

- I could spend $3000 on YouTube, Instagram, and Facebook ads and make $30,000.

- Don't even get me started on Medellin. My last trip I banged 20 different women and only spent $1500 on the endeavor.

I could go on, but nothing leads me to the conclusion that any one woman would be worth $3000 for any reason whatsoever.

[Hilo77]

It took a degree of effort to seal the deal. We all know this to be true. The chatting, ghosting, and picture trading is endless and you do have to find those girls that show heightened interest or ask why don't you write them often in order to increase your probability for success.

OK total respect to fellow mongers out there and whatever floats your boat is your thing and it's not for me to judge but good heavens there seem to be a lot of deluded fools on this thread (perhaps you aren't deluded but you actually enjoy the experience of being taken for a fool, if so I apologise).

I usually post on another specific forum, but bored with this WuFlu lockdown I started looking around to see how the rest of the world lives and I came upon this thread.

The more I read the farther my chin dropped toward the floor. I could barely believe the naivety that I was reading on a forum dedicated to having sex with prostitutes.

Look guys, these "SBs" of which you speak are prostitutes, very expensive prostitutes and prostitutes that play hard to get and take a lot of time and effort to have sex with, you know what that makes them? Very bad prostitutes.

I don't wish to single out one poster but this post summed it up for me, why on earth should you have to go to all that trouble to have sex with a woman whom you are paying to have sex with?

I used to go through all that effort as a young man desperately seeking to have sex with a woman I fancied, the dates, the dressing up, the trying to impress, the attempt to prove I have game, the spending money on expensive dinners in the sad hope that she might find me acceptable to her, the disappointment when she decided I didn't meet her high standards or that she actually had a better offer that night. But see, I wasn't paying these women money to have sex, I wanted sex at the end of it without payment.

Then I discovered prostitutes and my world became clearer. I want sex? I pay for it and I get it on my terms and she does my bidding. No more desperately trying to please, I have what she wants and if she wants it I better get what I want no questions asked, no begging, and as I am the customer I will set the terms of the deal.

See how simple that is guys?

What in the name of absolute fcuk are you putting yourselves through all these hoops for to get what everyone else here is getting with minimal effort?

Did you not suffer enough rejection in your lives as young adolescents? Are you desperately trying to recreate that teenage angst as older men?

Are you trying to prove something to yourselves about your alpha male status? Because I hate to break it to you, you're all coming across as pussy-whipped cukcs. You're putting up with all the shit of middle-class, middle-aged, married American guys desperate to have sex with hot young women and paying top dollar for all the aggravation.

Wake up guys, you clearly have money to burn, take the easy option and just pick an honest, professional wh () re instead of these woman who are treating you worse than your wives.

Do you feel good knowing that after you pay hundreds of dollars to fcuk them they go home and share the money with the sort of deadbeat, jock losers that used to bully you at school? Is this some sort of reverse revenge thing going on?

[Big Boss Man]

Man, you are a scammers's wet dream! This guy is guaranteeing all kinds of big bucks without even getting a sniff of the panties!

This is why I tell you guys to never ever show your face on these SB sites. Now all the guys in Nigeria and Bangalore know that this one sends money to any hot piece of ass without requiring a meeting first!

If I ever lose my job I will supplement my income by just putting up profiles of hot 22 yr olds on SA to get goobers to send me money with nothing but a digital pinky-swear required of me.

I played my hand and I lost. Big deal. I will treat them as prostitutes from now on. I thought there was a difference between an arrangement and an escort. I have met her in person. I thought she would be great to have as a sugar baby. This woman is a good-looking UC student. She kept saying she did not want to be a working girl. One report on ISG said that an UC Berkeley woman received $3000 a month. I was trying for $2000. I will not give her any more money but she is still texting me once a day. Right now she is at one of the local demonstrations. I am probably a fall back position for her now. Have fun with your $30 dollar tattooed hookers with a kid in Medellin if that is your thing. I will probably meet you down there one day.

[SavePros321]

And I need to call bull& on your idea that any girl that has just one photo is automatically a scammer?.

Where did I say anything about 1 pic profiles being "scammers"?

Those 1 pic only accounts are just spam accounts. I don't take any female seriously who only has one damn photo on her profile.

At least get my quote correct!

And I stand by what I said. Again, my information is you S A specific. Any dating profile that you come across on Tinder, Bumble, SA, etc, where the female profile one and only one photo is either:

A) A spam account.

B) Someone trying to "Catfish".

C) Someone who doesn't give a shit enough to care about dating. So why would you waste your time on someone who doesn't even give a shit enough to upload more photos of themselves?

Sorry you didn't know this. I mean, you can even google the shit yourself and find people saying the exact same thing (only I am smart enough to know this stuff instinctively and didn't need anyone to tell me something so obvious:

How to Spot Fake Online Profiles

3. They only have one photo.

"Having only one photo can be a major red flag, especially if the person is extremely attractive in that one photo."

https://onlineprofilepros.com/spot-f...line-profiles/

[Pessimist]

Hopefully you guys are not wasting your time on any profiles that only have one photo.

I'm not talking about one photo is visible and the rest are private: I'm talking about one photo and one photo only on the profile.

I wish SA would make it a requirement that all profiles have to have a minimum of 3 (different) photos in order to be shown.

Those 1 pic only accounts are just spam accounts. I don't take any female seriously who only has one damn photo on her profile. I treat them the same as I would on Tinder: Next!

You have a disrespectful and condescending tone, in this comment and the one above this.

And I need to call bull& on your idea that any girl that has just one photo is automatically a scammer? There are millions of guys and girls all across SA all across the globe. Have you sampled and tested ALL of them? I have personally had some good arrangements with girls who happened to have just one photo. And I have run into tons of scammers who have 10 glossy spreads. If anything, some one who has very glamorous, model looking, in gorgeous bikini, with a fabulous background, high quality camera photos is more likely to be a scammer or at least a professional who is doing this purely for commercial reasons. The slightly shy, first timer or semi hesitant student type girl stepping into the waters in a somewhat careful manner is likely to be covered up, not too many photos for privacy reasons and photo quality may not be good.

One of my best ever arrangements was with a European girl who had a single photo, was in my town for a few months, and photo quality was crappy. She did not look all that great in the photo and she did not want to meet me at all and I too was not particularly keen. When we finally met, she looked super gorgeous, the meet went so well and we had a torrid affair for nearly 2 months, one of the best sex ever; she was a few months short of 22, blonde, amazing bod and cute face and nice breath and tasty pussy, spoke good English but sexy foreign access and was just awesome in bed. I almost cried when she went back to her home country as I knew I would have huge difficulty finding someone equally good and so far I have and't. So, I would never have these silly rules like "all one photo girls are scammers" etc. And most importantly, to anyone wanting to try out SA or any other sugar babe sites for that matter, I would try them out on your own, form your own views, use your own brain, and enjoy the process. This thread and other mongers writing here are good for interesting anecdotes and entertainment, but their experiences will never be your experiences. Stop listening to anyone claiming to be experts and do what comes naturally, using your own brain.

[Bdb013]

Hi guys,

Just got here yesterday. Flew in from Miami, the plane was 99% full, mostly with Mexicans returning back home. The temperature was taken upon arrival, I was also asked a few questions by the immigration officers in a separate room, took about 15-20 minutes and they let me in. The city is half empty, most businesses are shut down as I had expected. No surprise here. The weather is great and I am enjoying my walks around the city and parks. I assume the scene here is dead, but at the same time I know there are many working girls who can't wait to get back to business. I was wondering if there are any reputable escort agencies as well as individuals who are still in the biz and doing outcalls. Any suggestions? I'm not that desperate to get laid, in fact mongering is not the reason I'm here, but it would be great to find 1 or 2 working girls and just stick to them, have them come over every other day or occasional TLN. I do not trust websites like mileroticos. Too much bait and switch. I have tried Tinder but no success so far (is there a different app that girls use?

Thanks!

I'm glad to hear you got into Mexico without any problems. I am returning in August. Definitely ready to get away. I have been to GDL a few times and headed to Puebla this trip. Seeking Arrangements has been very good to me on these trips. Mostly students looking to pick up some extra money. The membership is high at $90 a month. Juan Carter is a wealth of knowledge as well. Good luck. I would be very interested in how your trip goes.

[SavePros321]

It is looking like the 22-year old hustled me. She kept saying she was not a hooker. I tried to make the relationship non-transactional putting half the money into her account before we met. I also guaranteed her $2500 for June. I was going to put in $500 every Monday morning. On the next date she would have to get naked and perform oral sex. I tried to play the long game.

$600 to learn that Seeking is not that much different from finding hookers.

Man, you are a scammers's wet dream! This guy is guaranteeing all kinds of big bucks without even getting a sniff of the panties!

This is why I tell you guys to never ever show your face on these SB sites. Now all the guys in Nigeria and Bangalore know that this one sends money to any hot piece of ass without requiring a meeting first!

If I ever lose my job I will supplement my income by just putting up profiles of hot 22 yr olds on SA to get goobers to send me money with nothing but a digital pinky-swear required of me.

[SavePros321]

Hopefully you guys are not wasting your time on any profiles that only have one photo.

I'm not talking about one photo is visible and the rest are private: I'm talking about one photo and one photo only on the profile.

I wish SA would make it a requirement that all profiles have to have a minimum of 3 (different) photos in order to be shown.

Those 1 pic only accounts are just spam accounts. I don't take any female seriously who only has one damn photo on her profile. I treat them the same as I would on Tinder: Next!

[Midwestern]

It is looking like the 22-year old hustled me. She kept saying she was not a hooker. I tried to make the relationship non-transactional putting half the money into her account before we met. I also guaranteed her $2500 for June. I was going to put in $500 every Monday morning. On the next date she would have to get naked and perform oral sex. I tried to play the long game.

$600 to learn that Seeking is not that much different from finding hookers.

I think the thirty-year old actress massage girl might be the better bet. I knew I had to drop of one of them anyway. The 22-year old is a little more entertaining conversationally.

If you just want to bang a hot chick, then definitely find a hooker. But if you want a GF, then go with SA. You just help her out financially. If you ask out a regular girl, would she ever ask you for money before the first date? Of course not. All the money talk comes after you guys establish chemistry.

What's the difference between a regular GF, an SA GF, and a hooker? Well, you guys know what a regular GF is, and you guys know what a hooker is. So, I'll just explain what I consider to be an SA GF. An SA GF is someone that will spend 4 to 12 hours with you, per date, where the dates are fun and sex is always included. An SA GF genuinely likes you! But she doesn't know your real name, and she doesn't expect it to lead to marriage. In fact, she doesn't care if you are married. The only catch is that you have to help her out financially.

To make sure they are not scammers, I don't waste too much time chatting with them. I just say, "let's meet. " You cannot get a good feel for a person until you've met them and spent face to face time with them. When you are just chatting on the computer, it's easy for the gal to be the perfect girl for you and to fake the chemistry. I just meet them, and if the date goes well, then I will ask them what they want in terms of finances. I will usually not agree to a long term arrangement until after a couple of PPMs, and most of the time, I just stick to the PPMs even if I really like them.

But this said, I admit that it takes up a lot of time meeting them face-to-face, but I think it's worth it. This way, you will know right away when to cut bait.

Finally, another way to not get scammed is to look for genuine stories on SA profiles. If you just see a pretty face and good body, and her profile just says she wants to enjoy life or some similar frilly BS, then I usually take a pass. I look for stuff like, "I just started a new business and I need some help paying for my daily necessities. " A lot of my SA hookups were with gals just starting out in a new entry level job, or in between jobs, or just graduated, or just starting a new business, or just divorced, etc. , and they just needed some financial help.

[PilotPaul]

It is looking like the 22-year old hustled me. She kept saying she was not a hooker. I tried to make the relationship non-transactional putting half the money into her account before we met. I also guaranteed her $2500 for June. I was going to put in $500 every Monday morning. On the next date she would have to get naked and perform oral sex. I tried to play the long game.

While you think you were playing the long game, you were never in the game. She sounds like a lovely girl that gets guys to pay money for nothing. You were just one of the guys on HER roster. She was likely never going to be meeting you. Words are cheap. All the risk was on you.

I've seen similar on a few profiles and messages here. One girl I had moved from SA onto phone text. Here line was "It's so hard to meet this weekend with our busy schedules, let's do phone sex today for $300 and then your first session with me is free". What can be better than that? It's true we couldn't agree on a time and I would get her naked on video for maybe 30 minutes with her toys then free sex. All except she was never going to be providing anything after the cash hit her bank.

Yes, there are girls that will honour their promises after getting the cash BUT in the majority of cases any girl requiring money up front is either a professional, has been burnt before or is too untrusting to make the session worthwhile.

My local SB that I was with Monday, three hours in bed and she knows she will find an envelope in the side pocket of her handbag.

My alternate SB2 is on pause this week due to the above SB1. When I told SB2 I would not see her she still asked for allowance. I reversed the line "No money no honey" and asked "When I don't pay can I still have sex with you?" She quickly retreated.

Happy hunting.

[LshRoomer]

Hi guys,

I have been reading up on this forum for a while and have to say really great information out here. I am considering going the arrangement route for my future rather than endless dating and getting nowhere. I would like to get some advice on it.

First off, SA profiles, do you guys post your own photos on SA, if so, are they like hidden or with blurred faces? Also in profile, are you guys clear on what's sort of arrangement you are looking for?

Secondly arrangement, Steve, I think you sort of mentioned a bit here on this post, but how do you discuss what you are expecting from the date and the arrangement allowance? Typically, what would be a going rate in western US, is it like 500 or lower than that? There are so many different type of girls on SA, I would like to know how you discuss the allowance with the girl, right on the date itself or prior to meetup. I am planning to do this while I am in town and while traveling hoping to seal the deal during that night itself (which seems pretty common from most of the posters experience).

Thanks.

Kaaliamac!

Welcome to the party pal! (Bruce Willis voice. Movie reference) Seriously, once you have some experiences, be sure to share because as Midwestern mentioned, there is a benefit for all of us, regardless of experience level.

Though the words sound harsh, he's right, you got to RTFF!

There are a lot of mistakes to be made in the sugar world. RTFF. And see our mistakes, suggestions, opinions, and general know how. The questions you ask are expansive and require more than a single sentence to answer. Some guys use SA in their hometown, some don't (like me). Some guys will not show a pic on SA, some don't' care. Some mix it up and keep the clear face pics hidden, bc you are definitely going to show her your face before you meet. Basically what I'm saying is that there are a lot of pros and cons and opinions to every method and most of that is discussed here.

The only way I even know about SA is because I was RTFF in the Prague forum and came across 2 post that casually mentioned SA as sponsoring (is what the monger called it). From there, my experiences increased in quality and variety and my fun while traveling increased significantly.

So. Scroll back to the beginning, have a beer or cognac and RTFF.

I have a set of rules that I follow that might help you. Check out post #329.

Safe mongering man.

[LshRoomer]

It is looking like the 22-year old hustled me. She kept saying she was not a hooker. I tried to make the relationship non-transactional putting half the money into her account before we met. I also guaranteed her $2500 for June. I was going to put in $500 every Monday morning. On the next date she would have to get naked and perform oral sex. I tried to play the long game.

Blaming the curfew and that she was very upset and not sleeping, she canceled the meeting. She suggested facetiming instead and we can definitely meet when this is all over. Then she asked me if I could pay her rent this month. I just said "no' and that there was no more money until she became a "good girl" and started following instructions. She did not reply. She has also been silent on her social media. So it's her move now. She knows what she has to do. The rule of not paying until services are performed probably still holds even if you are trying to become friends. At least with hookers, I don't have any illusion about becoming their friend. Another live and learn moment. $600 to learn that Seeking is not that much different from finding hookers. I did get some entertainment value out of it. I stopped thinking about a married woman with whom I was interacting with as part of a regular Zoom meeting I am participating in. I am no longer trying to figure out how I can get into an affair with her. So there was value in pursuing a different woman. She did put in time trying to get to know me which a hooker would not do.

I think the thirty-year old actress massage girl might be the better bet. I knew I had to drop of one of them anyway. The 22-year old is a little more entertaining conversationally.

Big Boss Man.

Steve hit the nail on the head. Never ever ever pay before you penetrate one of their holes. Even more so if you are trying to become friends. Friends are free. Once I feel your juices, then the cash can flow, not before. Seriously though, there are a lot of bad girls out there looking to take advantage of guys looking for an SB / SD relationship. I've come across a few, but luckily kept my wits about me. There was one girl, in the suite with me, kissing on the bed and told me that she needs 500 euro (pre-bang) in order to know I'm serious. Guys, this is no-good! I almost paid her too, but as I look back, I'm glad that I didn't. All other girls that I have met were all cool with compensation afterwards and that has become the norm. Hell, even with escorts I try to follow the same pattern. I usually do 2-4 hour sessions and try to meet them outdoors at a bar or hookah lounge. I feel them out while we are out in the city and pay them once we get back to my hotel / apartment (if I don't ditch them beforehand). This method gives you the option to call an audible if the girl is strange, detached, doesn't smile (romanian girls), or seems disinterested. It's better to find out that there is no compatibility before paying rather than after. This applies to SA and escorts.

The Long Game. I'm sure you see by now that it has to just happen, so don't force it. SA is my goto for 75% of interactions. However, I have an escort that turned out to be very similar to an SA girl. I give her cash at the end, she calls me sometimes just to hang out (when I'm in town) and the per hour rate is probably close to about 50 euro (when I call her! Inverse is free). I had no idea this was going to happen when I met this Ukrainian MILF. Turned into something more than a quick session (love Ukrainian chicks!

Keep all of them! Keep a roster man, you are going to need it. Boil all of those messages with all those chick down to about 3-8 solid girls that you can actually meet. I do this whenever traveling and usually have about 4 girls that I have to find a way to meet during the time I'm in town. Deciding which girl to see, how many times, what to do with whom is part of the fun. Sometimes it's the most unexpected ones that blow your mind.

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[Steve 9696]

It is looking like the 22-year old hustled me. She kept saying she was not a hooker. I tried to make the relationship non-transactional putting half the money into her account before we met. I also guaranteed her $2500 for June. I was going to put in $500 every Monday morning. On the next date she would have to get naked and perform oral sex. I tried to play the long game.

Blaming the curfew and that she was very upset and not sleeping, she canceled the meeting. She suggested facetiming instead and we can definitely meet when this is all over. Then she asked me if I could pay her rent this month. I just said "no' and that there was no more money until she became a "good girl" and started following instructions. She did not reply. She has also been silent on her social media. So it's her move now. She knows what she has to do. The rule of not paying until services are performed probably still holds even if you are trying to become friends. At least with hookers, I don't have any illusion about becoming their friend. Another live and learn moment. $600 to learn that Seeking is not that much different from finding hookers. I did get some entertainment value out of it. I stopped thinking about a married woman with whom I was interacting with as part of a regular Zoom meeting I am participating in. I am no longer trying to figure out how I can get into an affair with her. So there was value in pursuing a different woman. She did put in time trying to get to know me which a hooker would not do.

I think the thirty-year old actress massage girl might be the better bet. I knew I had to drop of one of them anyway. The 22-year old is a little more entertaining conversationally.

So it's good that you went in eyes wide open and sounds like you can afford it. But yeah never ever ever ever money before. Ever. As soon as she expects a dime it's ghost time. Wrong girl. And you just never know — I had a girl in Medellin on chat. Every night for a week or two. So fun. So loving. Then comes the my mom lost her job. Can we do videos and you send me money? Nope sorry babe. Last I heard from her.

And don't try to set up something long term. Just start slow and evolve.

Final advice. Watch out for that 32 year old. That is the dead zone. Likely had kids. Often not down to fuck on the first date. If you are good looking enough and by that I mean non objectionable and have some text and date game stick with the under 26 crowd. BTW 28 is the new 38. All the over 30 girls are going with 28 these days (not 29 LOL).

And keep lots of irons hot. I am typically texting with five girls any given day. You never know which will pop and which will sputter. It's a numbers game.

[Pessimist]

It is looking like the 22-year old hustled me. She kept saying she was not a hooker. I tried to make the relationship non-transactional putting half the money into her account before we met. I also guaranteed her $2500 for June. I was going to put in $500 every Monday morning. On the next date she would have to get naked and perform oral sex. I tried to play the long game.

Blaming the curfew and that she was very upset and not sleeping, she canceled the meeting. She suggested facetiming instead and we can definitely meet when this is all over. Then she asked me if I could pay her rent this month. I just said "no' and that there was no more money until she became a "good girl" and started following instructions. She did not reply. She has also been silent on her social media. So it's her move now. She knows what she has to do. The rule of not paying until services are performed probably still holds even if you are trying to become friends. At least with hookers, I don't have any illusion about becoming their friend. Another live and learn moment. $600 to learn that Seeking is not that much different from finding hookers. I did get some entertainment value out of it. I stopped thinking about a married woman with whom I was interacting with as part of a regular Zoom meeting I am participating in..

OMG! I feel sorry for you. But you have been reading the forum here. Why did you ever pay?! Rule#1 Until you meet her physically, she is not even a real girl, you may have given your money to a dude, or her pimp or whoever it may be but you will not know. Rule #2 Don't ever give any money until you are at least in the room and you had some foreplay and until she has taken off her clothes. Preferably wait to give money till after you had sex, but if she truly insists then say that you want to make out and see her naked then give her the money. If she refuses, tell her to leave the room.

A girl will take free money and run every single time, even if your deal was $10 grand a month and not $2500. As far as she cares, she already got some money. If she finds someone like you once every 2 days, she is making several thousand dollars a month w / o lifting her finger. And she has no clue what kind of person you are, if you would have given the rest of the 2500 as you promised. Why take a risk? She got the money, she runs away with it. Happens 100% of the time.

It was a costly lesson for you. I would not form a negative view about SA based on this one episode if I were in your situation. To be brutally honest, this is a rookie mistake but your mistake. From your # of posts, you are a senior monger. You will not make mistakes like this again.