Monterrey

[Beavis]

Somebody mention here before our casinos. There are maybe over 20 casinos but not all have the card games. I believe that none have the dice. Our casinos are normally safe but in the last month the armed thieves have rob two casinos. I avise you to be careful when you leave the casino and try to have your own personal cab that you have the confidence with.

Yesterday 7 armed thieves rob a restaurant of 100 clients and make some of the woman get naked and create the harm to others. This is a new tipo of crime here as the thieves know that the police is too busy for the fast response.

I do not recommend a solo gringo come here and get drunk in el centro and stay into the morning hours.

These are some good stats. How many were Cornholed? That is the part that scares me.

[Member #3453]

I was just going to ignore El Cazador. I mean, why waste your time??? Verdad? But, I appreciated your guys comments so much, that I just wanted to say Thank You.

I'm sure the El Cazador Groupo will believe me to be commenting with false screen names, Mr. S&W and Whome69. I suppose Bbond, Beavis, Monterreydude, Doubt98, Ssmc2, Larbo, La Parca, Angelmio, and on, and on, and on, are all fictitious screen names created by Unspongebob. Yeah, right?

There is a simple solution. Report his posts to the Administration. Maybe if they get enough complaining about his BS, Jackson will finally ban him. El Cazador will finally see that we are all independent thinkers, that we're not shills created as a mouthpiece.

Actually, the most recent post is once again, the original El Cazedor, seemingly. The other one was displaying a totally different competence level with respect to written English. So, welcome back El Cazador #1, and bienvenidos first-time El Cazador #2.

With respect to how we solve the HUGE Problems in Mexico, I wish I knew the best solution. Personally, I believe the solutions are beyond human comprehension, and will require divine intervention...Really!

[SmithandWesson]

Long-time lurker, first-time poster.

I am the owner of a multi-million dollar company and have been reading the Monterrey section for years. I have always followed the advice here of Unspongebob, and have come to know that his credibility is well-documented, with many forum members knowing him both in person and through the Private Messaging System.

Truth is, people like El Cazedor, with his hysterical rants, are simply here to sabotage the Monterrey section as they provide not one single tidbit of mongering information, the purpose of the this forum.

Shills such as El Cazador, with a total of ten posts, should not be allowed to freely attack the credibility of Senior Members. Even though most members can discern the lack of credibility of El Cazador and the likes, it should not be tolerated by the forum as it violates the forum rules and it's decorum. Frankly, I could see myself not partaking in the patronage of the ISG if this behavior were allowed to continue, and I believe that many other members here would concur.

As I said, I do not think it's fair for Senior Members such as Unspongebob, who has over 1000 posts, to have to endure the insults of "shills," shills that have NO credibility, not ONE SINGLE post related to mongering, and that bring nothing of substance to the forum.

Hopefully, in the future, the moderator will come to his senses and understand the value, legitimacy and contributions that the Senior Members bring to the forum, because the "shills," shills such as El Cazador, bring nothing at all.

[Whome69]

while many factors have contributed to the escalating violence, the beginning of the increasing violence can be traced back to the unraveling of a longtime arrangement between narcotics traffickers, the federal mexican government, and their state and local governmental agencies, which were controlled by the institutional revolutionary party (pri).

the pri lost its grip on political power starting in the late 1980s. but, during their reign they brokered agreements between the various cartels, which were much smaller in number, and therefore considerably more manageable. during this period, and to a certain extent, under vicente fox, things were really pretty calm in monterrey. i've often said you could walk the streets of el centro monterrey at 4am in the morning several years ago, prior to calderon, and be relatively safe, much more so than in any of the major downtown areas of any comparable us city.

prior to vicente fox, who mildly targeted the cartels as compared to calderon, the drug cartels and the mexican government were complicit with one another, and there was comparatively little violence as a result. by severing the government's complicit cooperation with the cartels, and actively pursuing them as criminals, the government escalated the violence between the cartels, which was bound to occur anyway to some extent, but perhaps not to the extent that has been experienced under calderon's aggressive pursuit of the cartels as criminal enterprises.

however, because of the increased number of cartels in the mix, and other political factors that now exist between the higher number of cartels, i'm not so sure that a deescalation of attempted control of the drug cartels would significantly reduce the violence. there are simply too many cartels now wanting a piece of the pie, and that kind of rivalry will increase the violence. so, while we might blame the mexican government's pursuit of drug cartels as criminal enterprises, the violence would have logically escalated as the numbers of additional cartels cropped up. the money is just too alluring, and the needs in mexico are just too great.

i believe the mexican government is growing increasingly concerned that the drug cartels directly threaten their own sovereignty. nobody likes to give up power, and the cartels are now arguably as powerful in mexico as the government itself. were the government to withdraw from the fight, they would likely be ensuring their own demise, becoming just puppets for the cartels, and the entire country of mexico would be just one big criminal enterprise, which some might argue is almost the case these days.

so, the argument that eliminating and regulating drugs may be the only solution. the government knows that were they to relinquish complete control of mexico to organized crime, many other criminal enterprises would flourish, and they would further damage mexican society as a whole. it isn't just about drugs for the government. allowing criminal enterprises to run whole countries can have nothing but a detrimental effect upon the lives of average, god fearing, good mexican citizens.

but, i can totally understand, and possibly agree with, why vicente fox has been calling for the legalization of drugs the last couple of years. it takes the profitability out of the scenario, and it removes the source of power for the cartels by cutting off the money that gives them the power to begin with.

if legalization is the ultimate solution to the violence, then a well regulated legalization of drugs, along with a huge, and i mean absolutely monumental, propaganda campaign to discourage it's use in mexico, and the us, might ultimately be the best solution. it would have to be a joint effort of strict regulation between the us and mexico, and there would have to be considerable effort made to discourage the use of drugs, perhaps tying penalties to the way drugs are used, rather than the mere possession and purchase.

for example, the penalties in the us have become much more strict for the use of alcohol. the penalties for the incorrect use of alcohol, ie: drinking and driving, drunk in public, etc. have become much more effective over the last twenty years. and, as a result of a relatively effective public service advertising campaign by groups like mad, there has become a much greater social stigma to drinking and driving.

that's the only way to responsibly legalize drugs, and reduce the overall damage drugs cause to society. drug use would have to be monitored, not permitted in public, or private parties, etc. drug use, through stigmatizing it's use with the young, would be the only responsible way to legalize and regulate it's purchase, and possession.

actual drug "use," as in where and how drugs can be legally used or possessed, would have to be heavily regulated. that would take the money out of the scenario, and it would considerably reduce the power of the mexican and us drug cartels. but, obtaining it would be legal, taking the money out of it, but at the same time criminalizing it's use under circumstances that would be detrimental to society as a whole, and to the fabric of american / mexican society and culture.

take firearms as an example. firearms are well regulated in the us, and their proper use is well regulated. but, they are legal to purchase and possess with the proper documentation and government approval, which took the money out of the whole scenario. were guns illegal in the us, they would be three to ten times their present cost, or more, just as they currently are in mexico now. but, the end result of legalization of the sale and possession of guns in the us has taken all the profit out of guns for the sellers. just ask any legitimate gun dealer in the us. now, of course, there is always a black market, and those sales will always yield higher profit margins. but, for the most part, legal guns in the us are cheap, and the only people actually making any money on guns are the gun runners making illegal sales, and smuggling guns to mexico, and other countries.

with respect to drugs, perhaps only permitting their use "alone," in private, with no other participants, no public possession permitted, etc. perhaps that would take the money out of procurement, decriminalizing it's use, but criminalizing the detrimental way in which drugs are possessed and used.

maybe with significant stigmatization of the use through advertising, propaganda, etc. it would not have the same appeal it currently has to so many millions of americans and mexicans. that would be the purest ultimate solution, so that demand is no longer what drives the industry. many people that become hooked on drugs do so on account of peer pressure, fitting-in, socialization, being accepted by peers, etc. and most that become part of the drug culture, do so at a young age.

the old farts don't give a shit whether they're popular or accepted, and they're smarter too, not wanting to add to what they know from experience is already a difficult life without adding other vices to drag one down. the stigmatizing of drug use would have to heavily target the young. obviously, there will always those people that will fall through the cracks, and ignore the warnings, even some old-farts. legalization might still be a problem for those who have a propensity for addictions of all kinds, but it would significantly reduce the overall violent affect of the drug industry as we know it today, both in the us and mexico, which many could argue is just as much a scourge on the culture and society of the us and mexico as the use of drugs.

excellent analysis but lets face it. i would have agreed to this 10 years ago. in fact, i would still love to see it happen. legalization / decriminalization would have stopped the cartels cold but there are way too many people making money in the usa on the drug trade. not just the "bad boys" but the big corporations, lawyers, cops, jails, ect. fox had it right years ago, when he said that it was our demand for drugs that was screwing his country. but today, the cartels' actions and the resulting instability in mexico, decriminalizing or legalizing drugs, is now too late. the criminal elements are too powerful and too organized to go away. their secondary businesses; extortion, kidnapping and [CodeWord908] would be expanded. then we have the problem of little "street criminals" being emboldened because the cops are ineffective. some are posing as narcos. the cartels have their own ways of dealing with impostors. i am sure you have heard the stories?

the cartels are already operating in this country and it is getting worse. decriminalizing / legalizing would weaken them but they will not go away. it is similar to our history with the mafia during prohibition. before prohibition, the mafia was nothing more than a gang in their own communities. but prohibition gave them the power and the money. after prohibition, they still flourished. it took our government years to weaken them.

mexico is in a similar situation but their "mafias" are in all out war with each other and there is much more money at stake. the zeta's? they are the worse!

lets be honest, df is not in control of the country. the drug lords control certain portions of the country and they operate with impunity in the rest. mexico is really out of control. the solution. is to call our army back from afghanistan where they battling war lords and send them to mexico to battle their war / drug lords. at least they would be closer to home and a significant portion of our army is bilingual. politically, the american population would support it and i think the mexican population would too.

the other side of the equation is the immigration problem to damage their [CodeWord908] side of their trade. the solution is not the border security but in the "job control". people are coming her for j-o-b-s. at one time, immigration and the border patrol would conduct raids on a routine basis. now? they rarely do and if they do come to a business, they have a "hit list", they are looking for a particular person. to control the problem, every new hire has to be checked with a central data base. at first, it would be a headache, because many people are using duplicate social security numbers but eventually, the problem would be solved. enforce the laws on the books! conduct raids and fine employers.

but sadly, the bleeding hearts and the nasty republicans are on the same side for very different reasons. we know about the bleeding hearts but the republicans? they want cheap labor and they want to exploit the illegal alien so this solution will not be instituted. btw, we have other problems such as "anchor children" and non-producing illegals clogging our social systems and schools, but they have different solutions. i do believe we need a system of "legalizing" productive illegal aliens. i don't care if they are illegal as long as they are working. we just need to control the problem. now, we have no control.

once things return to normal in mexico, then we can enjoy our "passion" with safety and better choice of women! right?

[Bbond]

ok, let's add.

january 26th: 700 guns confirep001ed in arizona coming out this way.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/01/26...-smuggle-ring/

febuary 17th: 300 guns confirep001ed, where else, in arizona again.

http://www.latimes.com/sns-rt-phoeni...96231-20110217

0, 6506254. story.

and this figure, more than 1000 weapons, happens in the span of less than one month.

imagine in one whole year the tally.

and these are guns runners caught red handed. imagine those in other states that have not been caught.

add it up anyway you want, it's still a long way from 90% of 100, 000+.

[MonterreyDude]

ok, let's add.

january 26th: 700 guns confirep001ed in arizona coming out this way.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/01/26...-smuggle-ring/

febuary 17th: 300 guns confirep001ed, where else, in arizona again.

http://www.latimes.com/sns-rt-phoeni...96231-20110217.0, 6506254. story.

and this figure, more than 1000 weapons, happens in the span of less than one month.

imagine in one whole year the tally.

and these are guns runners caught red handed. imagine those in other states that have not been caught.

[El Cazador]

"many people who make the reports here are actually the same person that use different names and use the same keyboard."

Uhmmm, how many times have I claimed that there are many disingenuous people with questionable motivations posting on ISG that are doing the very same thing that El Cazedor accuses some of our newer posters of doing. There have been numerous instances of members commenting with their own hidden agendas, and their made up, uninformed bogus reports. Anytime I happen to point this fact out, I've been directly and harshly criticized for making that very same comment about made up screen names, and dubious posts.

I don't have to hide behind other screen names to make comments about my legitimate experiences in Monterrey, nor do my opinions of dubious posters, and my criticism of them, require me to comment with made up screen names I don't even understand the meaning of.

Truth is, I think El Cazedor's primary motivation is entertainment. I don't really think he's a troll in the typical sense, but he does enjoy the banter. He seems to like to antagonize those of us that actually do legitimately visit the "mongering" venues of Monterrey, and report on them.

The character of El Cazedor's posts resembled those that seek to destroy the Monterrey section, and his posts suggested he may be a part of the group that enjoys the antagonistic value of prodding those of us that actually do post reports of our experiences. This dubious group enjoys antagonizing those of us that have informed opinions based on our legitimate experiences, not just speculation and conjecture based on the Drug Blogs, and teeny websites. The senior members have proven our legitimacy to countless mongers that have visited Monterrey over the last ten years. Some of these visitors to Monterrey know us personally, having met us directly, some on numerous occasions.

As I said, I do not categorize El Cazedor as one of these dubious posters, but I am uncomfortable with his inability to report any of his own experiences in the mongering venues of Monterrey. I have no doubt he lives in Monterrey. But, what good is that experience if you do not monger, and can't report on your experiences according to how living in Monterrey effects mongering, and more specifically, how the level of danger in Monterrey effects mongering?

As I said, El Cazedor seems to be a legitimate poster, and I accept him as such. I do not agree with him, but that's fine. But, when I read the postings from some of these dubious posters that sometimes pop up, I am often motivated to press them to get to the truth. That's why I challenged El Cazedor, initially believing he was from a faction that only strives to damage ISG, and to personally assault the senior members.

It's not unreasonable to ask new posters that contribute comments and posts that are suspect, to elaborate with more specifics in order to establish their credibility. That's all that's been going on here. Those that escalate our challenges to them by posting with personal attacks and rhetoric do not help their credibility with senior members that really do know the score in Monterrey.

Here two weeks before you say I am a legitimate poster and now you say I should be banned? Then you first say I belong to the narco foros, then I am apache gaucho, and now I am part of some group of el cazadors? I do not need to get your credibility as I live here and report events as such and I do not want to make the fight with you no more. I now understand that this foro is a gran part of your life as you make up that you live here when you don't and you create other personalities and sometimes talk with them and yourself. I beleive that you are a lonely old man that maybe need some medication and I now feel bad for you. Anybody that have the gradution from the high school that read the foro know that you create the personalities. You are wey too obvious.

Please stop use the bad words to me and I will stop make you appear to be the fool.

[El Cazador]

Somebody mention here before our casinos. There are maybe over 20 casinos but not all have the card games. I believe that none have the dice. Our casinos are normally safe but in the last month the armed thieves have rob two casinos. I avise you to be careful when you leave the casino and try to have your own personal cab that you have the confidence with.

Yesterday 7 armed thieves rob a restaurant of 100 clients and make some of the woman get naked and create the harm to others. This is a new tipo of crime here as the thieves know that the police is too busy for the fast response.

I do not recommend a solo gringo come here and get drunk in el centro and stay into the morning hours.

[Beavis]

You have a great way to combat this over-hype. I love it.

I go to the border 2 or 3 times a month. Sure I see the soldiers there but have had absolutely no problems whatsoever except with the depressed border economy the bartenders are making the margaritas about twice as strong. The only part I dread about going to the border is having to deal with these "Homeland Security" assholes once I get back on this side. I saw 2 Mexican ladys today in a Wal Mart (in Louisiana I might add) as one was admiring the other one's newborn anchor baby. I am not mistaken either as they were talking in Spanish.

"Huh Huh Huh, Homeland Security, what a bunch of dorks!"

[Member #3453]

Within the month of January there was 122 drug-related deaths here in monterrey compared to five in 2010. I don't know the total murders but maybe double. The other day the head of security of nuevo leon was shot inside his armored car and then burned in centro monterrrey for all to see. The army enforce the search of cars here on a daily basis. A shootout in a mall happen also with innocent wounded and one death. Many crimes are not reported as the police do not have time.

I present here to you before the words pendejo, ma m óand, puñeta, and antagonista. I would like also to present you the word wey.

A wey is someone who come to a internet foro and create other personalites to make him appear better or more smart. This happen only a few times on the monterrey foros because most other people already understand that the person make the other personalities and he is a ma m óand.

If someone call you a wey in monterrey, it is best you leave that person alone and go somewhere else.

Lets analyze the English Grammar and sentence structure used by Mr. El Cazador in his most recent post, comparing it with the posts Mr. El Cazador has formerly posted on this forum.

El Cazedor's written English has suddenly become much more fluid in his most recent post, and lengthier than he typically posts. Punctuation is precise and correct.

I suspect there are not only people commenting here with clandestine screen names, but multiple individuals commenting using the shared El Cazedor screen name. More evidence of the conspiracy that persists from "El Cazedor."

Might I remind all of the "El Cazedors" that I have always believed that the El Cazedor screen name was linked to a "Group" of individuals that strive to sabotage the ISG, and to personally attack and insult the Senior Members that contribute to this forum.

That is, of course, a huge flagrant violation of forum rules. Eventually, I suspect the "El Cazedor" Group will suffer the same fate as others that have attempted to sabotage the forum for their own dubious purposes. Jackson will simply gather IP addresses, and that will be that...

Others have tried it, and they're gone. The Senior Members have been here for many years, and our posts are not even reviewed by the Administrators before posting immediately to the forum, real-time, which is typical of Senior Members postings that have a long standing reputation and trustee status with Jackson.

Jackson doesn't like people sabotaging his income stream, and he knows the Senior members are serving his purposes, and following the rules.

Were I the El Cazedor Group, I would not be surprised if someday the login for that screen name is no longer valid, and even more so, I would look forward to Jackson collecting your IP addresses, and banning them from the forum as well, so that no other screen names can be created without some logistical aggravation being necessary.

And, as Senior Members who are the target of Mr. El Cazedor take their accusations, the legitimate posters, people we have known for many years through the forum, and met in person, people whose screen names are legit, and whose reputations and wide range of experience are beyond reproach, are accused of being shills right along with the other screen names that refute the dubious claims of the El Cazedor groupo.

El Cazedor has no credibility, and never will, not because "they" disagree with "our" assessment, but because they persist in disagreeing without any politeness or decorum, and because we know your game. Disagreement is fine, but they have turned disagreement into contention. It is just a matter of time...But, with respect to the screen name "El Cazedor" having any credibility left, that time has come and gone.

[Larbo]

I just heard on CNN that the only remaining safe city in Mexico is Cancun. Word is that the Mexican touts are getting dollar two ninety-eight for gringo scalps on the black market. Outside of that the report confirms that 98% of all Americans that enter Mexico are killed by Assault Weapon, Thermonuclear Suppository, Scalping, or excessive Corn Holing. Better avoid Mexico except for Can-Coon.

You have a great way to combat this over-hype. I love it.

[Beavis]

I just heard on CNN that the only remaining safe city in Mexico is Cancun. Word is that the Mexican touts are getting dollar two ninety-eight for gringo scalps on the black market. Outside of that the report confirms that 98% of all Americans that enter Mexico are killed by Assault Weapon, Thermonuclear Suppository, Scalping, or excessive Corn Holing. Better avoid Mexico except for Can-Coon.

[Larbo]

I just got back from a week in Monterrey. Was there from Sunday to Friday last week. Went to Infinito's three times, Little Infi once, and Marcella's once. Never saw a gun or knife, and was never shot at, punched, or stabbed. The worse thing that happened to me was a bit of condom rash from all the sex. Different hottie every night.

I'll take Monterrey over any large USA city anytime.

A bit of news. Little Infi isn't doing so well. My little blond spinner friend has moved back to Infinito's. Guess what? I was headed for little Infi the very next night to try out her tall long legged friend. Took her on a four hour tour of the king sized bed. Smokin'. Doesn't like to do BBBJ, but the rest is FINE. You can't miss her as she is the only looker left in the place.

[Member #3453]

that is 1 in. 0000068.

If you're not involved in the drug business, and hanging around with drug people, etc. Your odds go down substantially. Many of the most recent killings are retribution killings between low level street criminals. They're all just taking advantage of the carnage and mayhem opportunities right now. They know that the authorities are overwhelmed, and their is virtually no investigation being conducted into the crimes they're committing.

[MonterreyDude]

you guys read this news bit from this past january?

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/21/nyregion/21mob.html

this one made me really think what beavis says: if the media doesn't mention it, it doesn't happen.

he is totally right. media control.

one of the many articles related to this mentions at the end says and i quote:
"some believe organized crime is a thing of the past; unfortunately, there are still people who extort, intimidate, and victimize innocent americans. the costs legitimate businesses are forced to pay are ultimately borne by american consumers nationwide," fbi directorrobert s. mueller, iii, said in a statement.

it's at the very end of the article in this link.
and it's the only one of the whole that says that.

http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local...114266444.html

me either, even other violent crimes, extorsion, muggings, car jacking, [CodeWord123], ect, are rare there, almost never happen.