Monterrey

[Jinxx]

And, no, that is not the case with Matehuala.A few girls, yes, but business really sucks for them, and the crew at Matehuala isn't anywhere near what it was at El Infinito, and certainly not the full scope of the girls employed the entire length of Villagran. Fact is, the girls are literally starving.Many have given up. No clients, no girls/no girls, no clients. So, yeah, the "activity" with respect to the scene in Monterrey is SIGNIFICANTLY DOWN!!!!

That's wierd. One would think that all of the villagran traffic (chicas and clients) would just shift to el matehuala since the clubs operated so similarly. When I was going to el infinito in January I remember there being some competition among guys to get the hotter chicas. A couple times I had to tell the girl I wanted while she was still dancing that I'd be waiting for her as soon as she got off stage. Or I'd have my waiter get her for me, and give him a decent propina, of course. Business seemed to be pretty good at the time. And yes the military was all over the place along with daily reports of violence.

I'd have thought that business would be better for the remaining clubs due to the closing of the competition.

And, the escort business is going right along with them,

I have to ask, how do you know this? Do you know girls that actually work as escorts that are telling you this? Is anyone else here hearing the same thing from the girls or agency management?

Lets just take this as a fervent example.You can have one of the girls in the clubs for about 1/3 to 1/2 of the cost of the escorts, and spend twice to three times the amount of time with them for that same amount of money. So, yes, the "value" can be lower in Monterrey, but not for ESCORTS per se, not compared to the US. So, now that you have learned YOUR LESSON from someone who actually knows WTF is going on.

Let's analyze this for a second.

1. 5 hr salida back to hotel with dancer at el infinito. Minimum $1400mx and goes up from there at more expensive clubs.

1. 5 hr session outcall agency girl through aliciadollshouse or lucesazules. Starting at $1400mx and goes up from there with other girls / agencies.

That's right around $100usd for a pretty hot chick with the expectation of good service. How much would the same exact thing run you in NYC, chicago, or toronto? At least triple that. AT LEAST!

These rates seem pretty standard to me and are well documented and confirmed on the boards. So how is one 1/2 or 1/3 of the other? Am I missing something here?

Another thing that seems cool to me is these 2 agencies I've mentioned seem to be run with customer satisfaction in mind. The pictures seem to be accurate, they list the each girl's menu, they even run specials.

Throwing away your money when you can achieve the same result for 1/2 to 2/3 less is NOT STUPID, and it is an ethnicity and racially bias neutral concept. Get it!

I want to get it! Trust me. Please enlighten me how to get these outrageous deals you speak of. I'm dying to find out. But. With all due respect, until you show me the way, I must admit I still think you're talking out of your ass sir. Please forgive me if I'm wrong.

Sorry I had to get so graphic with you too.but, in fairness, you started it! Want to return to civility? If so, I promise to be respectful.

In person I'm one of the nicest people you'll ever meet and I'm sure you're a good guy in person too. I should be down in January, maybe we can meet up and compare notes. I pray to god el infinito is open by then.

[Member #3453]

classy reply! this just goes to show, nothing hurts like the truth.

sorry i had to give you such a severe intellectual ass-[CodeWord125], but you brought it on yourself. i just don't have it in me to let such blatant ignorance go unchallenged.

i don't think it's possible to pwn you anymore than i already have so, you're right, let's just move on. hopefully you learned your lesson.

on another note, any news on villagran? it's been almost 2 months since the closings. i would've thought that most of the girls would've just moved around the corner to el matehuala. is that not the case?

[deleted by admin]. i can take it.

and, no, that is not the case with matehuala. a few girls, yes, but business really sucks for them, and the crew at matehuala isn't anywhere near what it was at el infinito, and certainly not the full scope of the girls employed the entire length of villagran. fact is, the girls are literally starving. many have given up. no clients, no girls/no girls, no clients. so, yeah, the "activity" with respect to the scene in monterrey is significantly down!

and, the escort business is going right along with them, mostly due to price. but, the cost of travel issue is real, and it's effecting the volume of your wide eyed dumb gringos that are willing to pay double or triple the cost they could be paying.

lets just take this as a fervent example. you can have one of the girls in the clubs for about 1/3 to 1/2 of the cost of the escorts, and spend twice to three times the amount of time with them for that same amount of money. so, yes, the "value" can be lower in monterrey, but not for escorts per se, not compared to the us. so, now that you have learned your lesson from someone who actually knows wtf is going on.

do i like seeing the references to the escort agencies posted here. yes! i like checking out the escort sites with foolish blind ambition that maybe someday they'll come back to earth with respect to their prices compared to the clubs. i am not a masochist, but i do like being tantalized by galleries of sexy, hot girls, even knowing full well that i will not likely patronize them due to price.

throwing away your money when you can achieve the same result for 1/2 to 2/3 less is not stupid, and it is an ethnicity and racially bias neutral concept. get it!

sorry i had to get so graphic with you too. but, in fairness, you started it! want to return to civility? if so, i promise to be respectful.

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[Jinxx]

stop foaming at the mouth asshole! slinging individual insults is a two way street.i am not answering your questions with some long ass response to your demands for answers, acting as your pimp for decent reasonably priced escort services, or justifying my own experience mongering to you. so, fuck you! i'm willing to move on.are you? if not, fine, we can just keep this up indefinitely if it turns you on.

classy reply! this just goes to show, nothing hurts like the truth.

sorry i had to give you such a severe intellectual ass-[CodeWord125], but you brought it on yourself. i just don't have it in me to let such blatant ignorance go unchallenged.

i don't think it's possible to pwn you anymore than i already have so, you're right, let's just move on. hopefully you learned your lesson.

on another note, any news on villagran? it's been almost 2 months since the closings. i would've thought that most of the girls would've just moved around the corner to el matehuala. is that not the case?

[Member #3453]

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[Jinxx]

Your comments reveal a true contempt for Gringos, and it shows where you're really coming from.

I do have alot of contempt for arrogant uninformed gringos like you who talk out of their arse instead of basing their comments on ACTUAL FACTS. You mistakenly make the assumption that mexican escorts make most of their money from "rich gringos" who go to Mexico solely for the purpose of p4p. And now that the poor stupid Mexicans have raised their prices a little bit these big important "rich gringos" aren't going to spend their money on them anymore, leaving these poor Mexicans hungry and destitue.

Besides the crappy bordertowns Mexico is not a sex tourist destination. Never has been, never will be.

Cancun, Cozumel, PDC, Merida, Acapulco, Mazatlan, Zihuatanejo, Ixtapa, Cabo, are all world-class destinations with 5 star resorts and accomodations where the real rich gringos (not bozos on a budget like yourself) go and spend BILLIONS of dollars every year. Many of these tourists either bring their girlfriends / wives with them or they hook up with single women who are also on vacation, and if they strike out with the chicks at the clubs then they go looking for the local working girls. These guys don't mind one bit spending 200-300 or more on a hot stripper / escort. This scenario happens everyday and isn't going to slow down anytime soon. Check the OFFICIAL STATISTICS!

Mexico City, Monterrey, and Guadalajara are major industrial and financial centers. They are homes of more than a few billion dollar coprorations, both domestic and foreign owned. And just because some gangsters kill some other gangsters in some $hit-hole colonia doesn't mean that all of this commerce is going to come to a screeching halt. Just like everywhere else in the world thousands of well-paid business travelers travel around Mexico, stay in nice hotels and short-term apartments, and spend ALOT of money. Most of these travelers are men and when their work is done for the day they go in search of a little recreation. Do you really think they're going to think twice about spending 200 bucks on an escort / stripper? I'm sure most of them spend alot more than that without batting an eye.

Furthermore, you're so passionate in making your comments, it almost sounds like you have skin in the escort business game, even going so far in your prior post as to name the websites we should call when booking an escort.

I mentioned these two escort services because I've seen them discussed on the boards and they seem legit. THEIR PRICES ARE QUOTED ON THE WEBSITE, so please explain to me how they're going to go about charging gringos double and triple what they charge mexicans. I would genuinely love to see your response to this.

My comments about price relate to the prices dropping significantly in the US,

Again I ask you to please show me examples of this "significant price drop". I live and work in the us. I'm a frequent hobbyist and I read the hobby boards regularly. I just don't see this price drop you keep harping on.

If an escort businessman in Mexico wants to keep his prices high, I don't really give a shit.

Oh yea? Then why are you here whining about escort prices being too high in Mexico? You amaze me, seriously.

Everybody knows the dangers of Mexico these days, and that travel to Mexico is way down. Sighting a travel industry publication whose main purpose is to promote Latin American Travel as a non-biased source for travel statistics isn't too convincing to me. Oh, and yeah, sighting quotes from the Mexican Tourist Board lends such credibility to your claims.

I quoted the Economist and the New York Times. Did you even read the article? I highly doubt it.

but certainly because we can not have a simple, innocuous, intellectual disagreement without your injecting an obviously bigoted viewpoint.

Funny, I was thinking the same exact thing about you.

[Jinxx]

Corporations have already stopped sending their employees to Mexico

Source / link?

My cousin who works in one of Cemex's main offices says there are still plenty of swiss, german, and american engineers still working with her.

Travel is significantly down due to the significantly higher cost for travel. So, that means less vacationers, and less businesses sending employees to Mexico.

Oh yea? Official statistics say otherwise.

http://travelojos.com/2010/12/mexico...ite-bad-press/

"The number of international tourists arriving in Mexico by air from January to October was 8. 2 million, according to the latest data from the Mexico Tourist Board. That is an increase of 17. 8 percent compared with the same period last year, when Mexico endured a down economy, H1N1 scares and drug violence. Visitors are up 6. 4 percent over the same period in 2008, which was considered to be one of the best years for travel to Mexico. The number of American travelers increased by 13. 4 percent, compared with the same time period in 2009."

"After an appalling 2009, in which the outbreak of swine flu emptied hotels overnight, the number of visitors this year will be close to 2008's record total of 22. 6m. Even excluding 50m annual day-trippers, Mexico remains the world's tenth most-visited country. The numbers in August were the highest-ever for that month, despite a bomb attack on a United States consulate a few months earlier."

Locals do not pay the same as visitors, I don't care what part of the world we're discussing. That goes double for Mexico, and that goes double for Gringos.

So by your logic gringos pay QUADRUPLE what Mexicans pay in Mexico? So you're telling me that when a gringo calls an escort service in Monterrey like lucesazules. Net or aliciadollhouse. Com he's going to be charged four times the prices that are quouted on their website?

The past strategies of the Mexican sex businesses has always been to raise prices when business is lousy, especially on Gringos.

Can you give us an example? I've been visiting hookers in Monterrey and bordertowns for about 10 years now, and reading hooker boards for years and I haven't noticed this backwards pricing strategy that you speak of.

Prices for pussy are significantly down in the US

Can you please point me in the direction of this significantly cheaper american pussy because I damn sure haven't noticed this trend.

Gringos aren't stupid.

Holy shite! That's freaking hilarious statement, coming from you!

Of the ones that do come to Mexico, no matter how depraved you may imagine them to be, they will not be so stupid as to pay higher prices for Mexican pussy compared to what they can get at home, especially now with the US economy in it's present condition.

Why do you think pussy in Mexico always appealed to them before prices for pussy dropped in the US?

You can still go to reynosa or nuevo laredo boystown and get you a $10 door-girl, that seems to be right up your alley sir.

[MonterreyDude]

La Mansion is a short term, love motel, not a hotel per se and it's like 20 minutes away from the dowtown area.

I heard this hotel is girl friendly. Might be too far from the bars. Anybody know how far it is from El Centro?

Hotel La Mansion.

Prices: Rooms $390 to $500 pesos.

Location: Carretera Nacional km 271. 1 La Estanzuela.

Phone Number: 8104-0763

[Member #3453]

I heard this hotel is girl friendly. Might be too far from the bars. Anybody know how far it is from El Centro?

Hotel La Mansion.

Prices: Rooms $390 to $500 pesos.

Location: Carretera Nacional km 271. 1 La Estanzuela.

Phone Number: 8104-0763

[Member #3453]

So you're saying that multinational corporations are all of a sudden going to stop sending their engineers, accountants, architects, executives to do business in Mexico just because the price of poon went up 30% in the last few years?

Corporations have already stopped sending their employees to Mexico because they fear the danger to their employees, and especially because they fear being sued by the families of victimized employees even more.

Travel is significantly down due to the significantly higher cost for travel. So, that means less vacationers, and less businesses sending employees to Mexico.

Locals do not pay the same as visitors, I don't care what part of the world we're discussing. That goes double for Mexico, and that goes double for Gringos.

The past strategies of the Mexican sex businesses has always been to raise prices when business is lousy, especially on Gringos. Prices for pussy are significantly down in the US, the economy is lousy, and Gringos aren't stupid. Of the ones that do come to Mexico, no matter how depraved you may imagine them to be, they will not be so stupid as to pay higher prices for Mexican pussy compared to what they can get at home, especially now with the US economy in it's present condition.

Why do you think pussy in Mexico always appealed to them before prices for pussy dropped in the US?

[Jinxx]

Are you really drawing a distinction between businessmen and "Sex Tourists."

Of course there's a distinction between business travelers and sex-tourists. Sex-tourists go to a destination that's known to be a great place for p4p. Businessmen go to a place to work, to earn, money, to feed their kids. If they happen to get some free time to play with the local hookers, great, but it's not their primary objective. The difference is huge. It's like night and day.

A lot has changed in just a few short years. Sadly, Mexico's escorts no longer have the appeal they once had compared to today's US escorts, not with respect to price, nor selection, not for businessmen, not for vacationers,

Bussinesmen, vacationers, and locals are still paying market prices in NYC, london, chicago, tokyo, miami. What makes Mexico any different? Since you percieve prices to be rising in Mexico you're saying that men are just going stop paying for pussy there all of a sudden?

Other than bordertowns (Tijuana, nl, reynosa) Mexico has never been known as a sex-tourist destination. So how can they lose sex-tourist dollars if they never had them in the first place?

Do I really think they care. No, I don't. Do I think they'll start caring. No, they won't. Oh well, that's Mexico for 'ya.

A lack of intelligent management of some sex businesses in Mexico is legendary. I'm not surprised. They'll catch on after it's too late, just like always. Some are already avoiding Mexico like the plague. High prices make it that much easier.

So you're saying that multinational corporations are all of a sudden going to stop sending their engineers, accountants, architects, executives to do business in Mexico just because the price of poon went up 30% in the last few years?

[Marius 67]

Has Infinito finnaly open? Are any of the bars close to infinito open, I need the info.

Please help out and let us know!

[Member #3453]

Why else would a gringo be in Monterrey or PDC?

LOL! You actually think they care what "rich gringos" think about their prices? The majority of their business comes from locals and visiting businessmen, not sex-tourists.

Are you really drawing a distinction between businessmen and "Sex Tourists. " HAHA, you're splitting hairs. Very little actually separates them. Of course, nobody would visit Monterrey on Vacation, so we're talking businessmen. PDC, vacationers? Yeah.

A lot has changed in just a few short years. Sadly, Mexico's escorts no longer have the appeal they once had compared to today's US escorts, not with respect to price, nor selection, not for businessmen, not for vacationers, and it never did for true practicing world-class Sex Tourists.

Do I really think they care. No, I don't. Do I think they'll start caring. No, they won't. Oh well, that's Mexico for 'ya.

A lack of intelligent management of some sex businesses in Mexico is legendary. I'm not surprised. They'll catch on after it's too late, just like always. Some are already avoiding Mexico like the plague. High prices make it that much easier.

[Jinxx]

But, the guys coming in wide eyed to Monterrey, and certainly to PDC, unless you're already there on vacation or in the area for business,

Why else would a gringo be in Monterrey or PDC?

Keep those prices in check or rich Gringos are going to lose their incentive.

LOL! You actually think they care what "rich gringos" think about their prices? The majority of their business comes from locals and visiting businessmen, not sex-tourists.

[Member #3453]

I will sum it up in a couple of words: PDC is DEADLY expensive.

Be careful with the tabs, cause they mount them up.

Yeah, they don't even post their prices on the website. That's a clue. A heart attack waiting to happen! Anybody know their prices? Chilly Willy's is actually a strip club, and not just an escort service. Anybody had any experience actually taking any of them on salida? I suspect they would cost as much, if not more, than anything available in the US, which is right around $200 per hour right now on Back Page. For example, one on Back Page right now goes for $200 per hour, and photos reveal an ass to die for. So, the girls would have to be damn HOT at Chilly Willy's compared to what you can get right here in the US!

The HOT escorts in Monterrey are charging 2200-3000 pesos for 1. 5 hours! I don't like the trend I'm seeing lately. With the high cost of travel, the prospect of paying what were once extremely expensive prices in the US for girls no longer seems terribly expensive in comparison when you factor in travel costs.

It is true that if you're plugged-in to what's happening in Monterrey you can get them for around 1000 to 1300 pesos. But, the guys coming in wide eyed to Monterrey, and certainly to PDC, unless you're already there on vacation or in the area for business, get totally fleeced compared to what they could have right at home. Attitude is a factor, and Mexico does generally exceed the US in that department. But, damn, prices are getting ridiculous in Mexico lately! And, that, coming from a Gringo that loves Mexico!

I hope the escort service operators are listening because with the added danger, the high cost of travel, and the BS you have to endure on flights, Mexico ain't what it used to be. Keep those prices in check or rich Gringos are going to lose their incentive.

[Strike 69]

You know what is very interesting about the girls in the gallery at Chilly Willys? Three of them speak not only Spanish, but also Portuguese. Spanish and Portuguese are quite similar.

I have spent many nights with Brazilian girls, all of which spoke 100% Portuguese, and I was able to converse with them with almost no problem in Spanish. I thought those asses on the Chilly Willies website looked distinctively Brazilian :-0.

The idea that some of the girls from Chilly Willy's also speak Portuguese might indicate that those girls actually originate from Brazil. Or, it could just mean that the languages are so similar, like Italian and Spanish, that the girls can get along in several languages. But, the important prospect is this.

Girls from Brazil are like a Wild Banchee SEX Machines! If you check out their photos on Chilly Willy's Website, they resemble the body type of many Brazilian Girls. But, there again, some Mexican girls are just as alluring. Who knows. Let us know if you any of you actually book them.

Exactly, it is very likely they are Brazilian girls but if you speak fluent Spanish then no problem, I have been also with Brazilian girls who spoke no Spanish and I had no problems, Brazilian women have the largest asses and hips in Latin America plus they usually fuck like sex demons. It is a pity that before 2005 Mexico had its share of hot Brazilian prostitutes but in 2005 those pricks of the Fox Administration (PAN) requested Brazilians high security visa by the request of the US (the US will give all the required technology to Mexico to issue the visas). The result? No more Brazilian working girls in the next coming years and Mexicans are the only Latin Americans who require a visa to enter Brazil and tourist (before 2005 neither Brazilians nor Mexicans needed a visa to enter each other countries). The only good thing about the Calderon administration regarding that aspect is that they waived visa requirements in 2009 for Brazilians, Russians and Ukrainians (the countries which are famous for having some of the best working girls in the world) so a couple of girls from these places can pop up from time to time.