Monterrey

[Bbond]

I have an impecable track record helping mongers in Monterrey and Iam being insulted.

This is the first time that this Forum, the ISG has truely dissapointed me.

MD, please, these discussions, whether we agree or not has nothing to do with your knowledge and assistance that you have provided me, and many others, who visit Monterrey.

Arguing political issues, and that's really where we may disagree, can make enemies from friends. Sometimes it may get personal, but that's just the way those issues evolve.

Personalities and opinions aside, no-one can take anything away from MD about his willingness to assist those who chose to visit, and monger in, Monterrey.

[MonterreyDude]

Bbond, I have recanted the post you quote.

But I still hold what you posted. Our level of discussion is that: a CIVILIZED DISCUSSION.

You know me in person, and you know truely well that Iam not the type that would insult a single monger of all the gang we both know. Even in the worst of comments.

I may agree with something someone says, but I won't resort to name calling.

I am not an expert on anything political, anywhere. But I have eyes and ears.

I have a high level law enforcement individual in my family, I see hear and read things I am not supposed to know. Perhaps that influences my opinions at times.

[Bbond]

If Iam posting / answering Bbond it is because I know him in person, as I know many other mongers.

We might sound as uncivil, and agresive, but I know him eye to eye.

And he may call me what ever he wants.

I may agree with something someone says, but I won't resort to name calling.

I am not an expert on anything political, anywhere. But I have eyes and ears.

I have a high level law enforcement individual in my family, I see hear and read things I am not supposed to know. Perhaps that influences my opinions at times.

[MonterreyDude]

This forum is begining to STINK.

Iam being insulted... thank you Moderators.

I have an impecable track record helping mongers in Monterrey in NINE YEARS and Iam being insulted.

This is the first time that this Forum, the ISG has truely dissapointed me.

FYI, I have helped a monger from this forum that has been in Monterrey for the past 40 days working in Monterrey and he has just returned to his home after meeting USB and other mongers from other forums... and still holding my reputation as a good resident monger....

.... and am being insulted???

Mexican to Mexican, you are one ignorant payaso.

[Member #3453]

They are living right next to the machine.

They are not only living next to the machine, they're being eaten by it, and quickly devoured, thereby nourishing it to be even more destructive. Focusing on external sources is nothing more than a distraction that acts as an appetizer. Kill the beast from within before it consumes everything.

[Cdiazgto]

USB +1 A man that truly understands what our daily life in Mexico has become. And he found no need to blame anything on the USA.

[Member #3453]

There is little or no justice in Mexico, only victimization at almost all levels. There is a total lack of confidence among the people in Mexico that they will receive justice. That's why the attitude from Mexicanos is "every man for himself," and why there is very little altruistic inspiration for change. This is why the average/lower class Mexican is more likely to participate in illicit activities themselves.

The odds of being ground up and spit out by the huge corrupt machine are so huge, that the average/lower class Mexicano takes refuge within those "groups" that offer them the most protection and security (ie; the Cartels and Criminal Syndicates). God knows, they receive nothing from their government with respect to security, protection, or justice, and they do not have the financial or educational means by which to "grease" the machine.

The affluent class has the financial and educational capability to "grease" the machine, and to avoid many of the detrimental effects of the machine. The average/lower class Mexican is simply trying to survive what is a very intimidating existence. This survival instinct has created a vast army of lemmings to do the bidding of the crime syndicates. These lemmings are just average folk often just trying desperately to survive in an unjust and corrupt society.

Many of them end up in mass graves on the outskirts of Monterrey as they miscalculate their own dealings within what is to them a more secure existence than being independent of their criminal affiliations. They do not have the means to financially or educationally survive being ground up by the machine...So, "IF YOU CAN'T BEAT THEM, JOIN THEM" prevails. Many average/low class Mexicanos choose to "Join Them," believing they will be better off in life as a result, but end up dead after making their own political miscalculations.

This is simply not the situation in the US. There is at least a reasonable expectation felt by most Americans that they will receive a reasonably high level of justice, security, and protection in life from their government and institutions, not necessarily from the highest levels at times due to our own levels of corruption in the US, but at least from the lowest levels of government, where the influence of the average American is most effectively felt, on the local level, where the corruption is much less tolerated, and at the level where everyday life is lived.

This is why I say that as a traveler and/or occasional visitor to Monterrey, you risk the dangers much less than the average Mexicano living within Mexican society, and having to deal with the "machine." The average monger can come to Mexico, remain relatively low key, and escape much of the risk that literally plagues the average Mexicano on a daily basis. I'm convinced this is why we are often hearing the warnings from the Mexicanos that we should stay away from Mexico. They are living right next to the machine. What they don't realize is that we are somewhat insulated from our exposure to the machine, and run lesser risks, risks that have them almost hysterical with the "Chicken Little" routine, and understandably so.

The average occasional visitor may fall victim to crime, but they are not nearly as at risk with respect to the "machine" as the average/lower class Mexicano, who is immersed in Mexican culture, and subject to the effects of having a much greater level of exposure to the "machine" itself, and virtually no way of financially or educationally escaping it's detrimental effects.

An American, living in Mexico, or spending a lot of time here, typically does have the financial means to deal with the machine effectively, but must be more in-tune with the risks associated with the machine, and take greater precautions than the average occasional visitor that has little or no connection to living in Mexican society on a daily basis year after year. Just spending a few days in Mexico, and being careful with respect to being a victim of crime, yields relatively lower level of risks than most Mexicanos experience.

That's also why I frequently say that the dangers with respect to crime are just as high in the US, and why I say that most occasional visitors to Monterrey run very little additional risk with respect to a short visit here. The average ocassional visitor isn't in Mexico long enough to be exposed to the true danger, which is the "machine," and it's residue, the Cartels.

[Bbond]

Mexican intellegence (oxymoron)

Good, very good.

[Bbond]

To all Americans, this is not typical thinking here in Mexico.

Monterreydude is a payaso and embarassment to all of Mexico.

Sorry for such a negative first post.

Don't need to apologize, please feel free to step up and counter those opinions that you see wrong.

[Bbond]

Mexican to Mexican, you are one ignorant payaso.

Calling a spade a spade, THANK YOU.

[Cdiazgto]

. By the way, you guys are up to 700 arrests AFTER one agent was killed in Mexico.

Weird.

(700 arrests add in numbers up to 14 arrests per state within the continental borders of the US. A ridicululous figure)

700 is a pretty impressive number to me. It did not come by blind luck the way our government works. It was done with investigation and hard work.

Many orginizations were involved in the US arrests and not one ambush. How often do you see that here in Mexico?

Our government is so corrupt that there is not even a believable number of how many arrests have been made. And in how many years. More importantly how many of those arrested are still in custody or have been prosecuted.

Our government wants to say that US agents and intellegence do not share information with Mexico. What can we expect when the corruption is present at all levels of life in Mexico. There is no one here to entrust with vital information.

Mexican intellegence (oxymoron) has no clue as to how to investigate. They are just another hinderance our problems.

[Cdiazgto]

Am not dumb to realize the US is as corrupt as Mexico.

As a matter of fact every single one in the world knows this fact except Americans by themselves.

Mexican to Mexican, you are one ignorant payaso.

[Cdiazgto]

Why so much hatred and disrespect for the USA?

How does a Mexican become such an expert in all things American?

I am a proud citizen of Mexico. Spent 35 years living in Pennsylvania. Educated at Widener University. PhD in Forensic Psychology. Well read. I feel as I have missed something. I guess I would have learned more in an American school in Mexico.

I do not find this hatred here in Guanajuato nor anywhere else in Mexico. Must be a Monterrey thing.

Can it really be that all Americans are so ignorant and just don't understand?

To all Americans, this is not typical thinking here in Mexico.

Monterreydude is a payaso and embarassment to all of Mexico.

Sorry for such a negative first post.

[Beavis]

Just as corrupt yes you have a solid point but the corruption is still a lot more affordable in Mexico. Corruption was spelled out clearly in the 2008 election. The Iraq war is much of the cause for the state of the country here and the American people answer by electing a president whose middle name is "Hussein."

Yes, corrupt as Mexico.

You guys do not know how we laugh when we hear about Sarah Palin, McCain, (on the Right) or John Edwards or the Clintons (on the Left) and the way you are delivered right into the pockets of your politicians.

You are being toyed with the idea you are not corrupt, but corruption in the US has been institutionalized. Read as LEGAL.

I can point out some examples, but they are way over your head.

Like Monsanto Co. Controling ALL soy seed planting in the US and endoresed by laws that protect their criminal way of work.

The Republican party shouting that they want a sealed border but they are the first to slash the Homeland Security budget that will reduce the number of agents watching the border.

And so on.

Your system is corrupt and decadent. You just refuse to accept the fact.

By the way, you guys are up to 700 arrests AFTER one agent was killed in Mexico.

Weird.

SO, if this guy hadn't died. Business would have been as usual?

Come on Bbond and USB. We are not blind, you guys are the ones the ones wearing blindfolds.

How can the USA buy the fact that ONLY after one agent was killed, your goverment SUDDENLY did these 700 arrests?

We know that that's the way of a corrupt goverment. Status quo.

I still prefer our way; let the army kill them.

No jail time for them.

Am sure El Cazador can give us a hard fact of how many sicarios (narcs) have been killed in Mexico by the armed forces against this puny number of arrests in America.

(700 arrests add in numbers up to 14 arrests per state within the continental borders of the US. A ridicululous figure).

[MonterreyDude]

Yes, corrupt as Mexico.

You guys do not know how we laugh when we hear about Sarah Palin, McCain, (on the Right) or John Edwards or the Clintons (on the Left) and the way you are delivered right into the pockets of your politicians.

You are being toyed with the idea you are not corrupt, but corruption in the US has been institutionalized. Read as LEGAL.

I can point out some examples, but they are way over your head.

Like Monsanto Co. Controling ALL soy seed planting in the US and endoresed by laws that protect their criminal way of work.

The Republican party shouting that they want a sealed border but they are the first to slash the Homeland Security budget that will reduce the number of agents watching the border.

And so on.

Your system is corrupt and decadent. You just refuse to accept the fact.

By the way, you guys are up to 700 arrests AFTER one agent was killed in Mexico.
Weird...
SO, if this guy hadn't died... business would have been as usual???

Come on Bbond and USB... we are not blind, you guys are the ones the ones wearing blindfolds.

How can the USA buy the fact that ONLY after one agent was killed, your goverment SUDDENLY did these 700 arrests????

We know that that's the way of a corrupt goverment... status quo.

I still prefer our way; let the army kill them.
No jail time for them.

Am sure El Cazador can give us a hard fact of how many sicarios (narcs) have been killed in Mexico by the armed forces against this puny number of arrests in America.
(700 arrests add in numbers up to 14 arrests per state within the continental borders of the US... a ridicululous figure).

Corrupt as Mexico? Come on man, surely you jest.

Fucked up / corrupt, whatever, but no where near as bad as Mexico is.