Monterrey

[Chester Boy]

I have never been one to send a message of exclusion where someone lacks an "in-crowd" association. The "in-crowd" is regularly accused of that without there being one shred of evidence that it's occurring, or has occurred.

It is a defense mechanism used by those once challenged who can not support the content of their bogus posts, usually trolls. Anybody who doesn't think that Chester Boy was a troll, with no experience in Monterrey, is not paying attention to the content of his posts. Anybody that accepts the word of a bar girl, then represents it as true in light of the facts, does a disservice to the forum when those who we all know are knowledgeable about the Monterrey venue say that the bar girl is full of baloney. Notice, I did not say that Marius was full of it, but that the bar girl was full of it. There is a big difference.

My suspicions of certain posters on-line do receive my doubt, and often my inquisitive commentary, especially when I discern something in their posts that's inconsistent with respect to what I know is the real situation on the ground in Monterrey. If I discern in the content of their posts a potentially ulterior motive, or when their posts appear to have a disingenuous component to them, they receive my suspicion. And, certainly, they receive an even stronger forceful response when I am directly attacked by them, when they can not legitimize their questionable posts, or when other mongers I personally know are attacked by them.

Blourghas, you are genuine in your experience, in your mongering acumen, etc. Yet, we have never met. I would never question the validity of your posts. I would never react as I have other than to defend myself. I know you're for real. As you said, we have some of the same friends, and association with Monterreydude, etc.

With respect to these trolls, those they consider themselves "our" enemies, and with respect to the want-to-be's who are trying to make us believe the bogus content of their posts are legit, I can smell them all a mile away, bogus screen names and all. If I respond to them, and it appears I'm being overly harsh, it's simple to discern if what I perceived in their posts is actual BS, or whether their posts have some validity. The only way we can do that when suspicion arises is to challenge them, politely, in the forum.

Accepting anything posted at the expense of legitimate information is no trade off. Their posting misleading information doesn't serve any of us well. We are wise to question posts that look a little strange in our own experience. And, my rule of thumb is to politely question their validity. If they escalate with offensive rhetoric, and they choose to get nasty, they will be met with the same level of discourse they perpetrate upon me.

Ok, enough said. I am going back into the abis now, and will allow all the inhibited their opportunity to post unmolested, providing they are not posting BS, or attacking me or mine. So, nobody else rattle my cage.

Blourghas, when you come back to Monterrey, send me a PM, or advise Monterreydude, and we can hook up. See you later.

What a crock of BS. The guy who posted that bar girl story was immediately attacked by Monterreydude and when I piped up to say that it was ok to prove the info untrue, but not cool to attack someone for sharing what they heard, Unspongebob immediately questioned who I was, what I was doing, here and whether I even live in Monterrey.

Nothing I have said has been inaccurate and certainly not as inaccurate as Unspongebob saying that there is a 0/0 chance of violence at the clubs. THAT and Monterreydude's deflections of whether there is ANY violence in town, are TRUE misrepresentations, and things that could put mongers in danger.

This is what Unspongebob said in a previous post: "I am being brutally honest when I admit that I am in it totally for my own gratification, and not out of any patronizing desire to "help all the rest of mongering. "

Well, if that's the case, one has to question why Unspongebob posts so religiously on a public forum precisely dedicated to helping fellow mongers. A private yahoo group or Facebook page would allow him to post and communicate with his buddies, why opt to share for public consumption when you have no desire to share? If you don't care about helping, why not save the long, rambling, childish essays for PMs to your buddies? I'm beginning to question whether he knows anything about Monterrey at all except, of course, what Monterreydude has led him to.

I'll admit that I'm out of the loop when it comes to mongering logistics since I mostly just deal with the girls directly now. But I'd be willing to do research and meet Monterreydude and Unspongebob half way if they were also willing to drop the attitude that any real info be shared in private.

Believe it or not, most people who read forums like this are preparing to monger in a destination that they know nothing about. They want nuts and bolts info within quick and immediate reach. That's the nature of sex travel boards. People aren't here to read dozens of pages of private banter and essays on the human spirit. I suggest starting a blog for all those with esoteric, whimsical essays in their hearts. Most people are here to find out Who, What, When, and Where. And without having to grovel at the feet of those with the most experience.

As far as being a troll. I suggest that it's more trollish to hijack a public forum and turn it into an exclusive club.

[Chester Boy]

I rarely laugh out loud but but when I read that I may actually be a made up account that lives only to protect your and USB's honor I cackled.

And then at the bottom of his missive saying that he things calling people an impostor is bad in the same post where I was an impostor! Kettle, meet pot!

If CB wants to provide information and advice on mongering in MTY, I'd be happy to read the reports. But if all he wants to do is complain then he'll just go onto my ignore list.

Obviously, irony is lost on you.

It's hilarious the way you guys pile on when you are so obviously in the wrong.

The fact of the matter is this: Any new member who comes in and posts anything NOT to the liking of Monterreydude and Unspongebob instantly gets shouted down and has their reputations ruined. Who the hell, in their right mind, thinks anyone is silly enough to post on a forum for a city they don't even live in or, better yet, try to discredit some semen-soaked bar in order to pull clients away to their own business? Talk about delusional! And yes, 6 years in-city, 3 years visiting prior. Don't have to prove myself to anyone, don't have to prove myself to some self-important, prepotente middle-aged man who, for all I know, is among the same scumbag cartel members who he insists pose no danger to anyone.

As far as me posting real reports, you know my stance. I've offered the olive branch and it has been turned down. I was more than ready to put this all aside and begin a new chapter of co-op participation to the benefit of all those mongers who want logistics info that is not several years old. But Monterreydude and Unspongebob still intend on filling the board with inside banter and insist on lording any real info over the heads of members. You MUST address them personally to get anything of value. And it will cost you 20 bucks in membership fees to do so.

It would be so easy to provide some simple logistics info for the general public to read. I mean, these guys LIVE on this board and are allegedly locals, so what's the hang-up? Why insist on stroking your own ego by forcing everyone to address them personally for some very basic info? Nobody's asking for girls' private numbers or addresses. Just simple info that mongers can use when coming to town. But, again, they must come to THEM and, believe it, they better be nice about it or lord help them.

So, Super Gato, please inform yourself before jumping in.

How will this board ever get new members, active members when: 1) Any new members with opposing viewpoints are shouted down while having their reputations attacked and 2) Real info is actually discouraged by the most active, most senior members?

If anyone is doing any sabotage, it's these two guys.

Empty space is preferable to total clutter. Clear out the air for a few months and the trip reports will come back. They were here before Monterreydude and Unspongebob turned the thread into their Facebook accounts and they will come back.

Sorry if wanting to help the mongers upsets you. Put me on ignore.

[Member #3453]

I find USB's attack (and accompanying call to "prove yourself") of anybody who he hasn't personally had a beer with to be pretty offensive. It's a public online forum and discussions and standards should be conducted with what takes place on line and not elsewhere, and making references and requirements of admission which are off line is just creating an atmosphere of exclusion. Instead of attacking, ask questions & understand. I have no problem with tearing apart someone's argument but ripping him apart just because he doesn't hang out with you is uncalled for

I have never been one to send a message of exclusion where someone lacks an "in-crowd" association. The "in-crowd" is regularly accused of that without there being one shred of evidence that it's occurring, or has occurred.

It is a defense mechanism used by those once challenged who can not support the content of their bogus posts, usually trolls. Anybody who doesn't think that Chester Boy was a troll, with no experience in Monterrey, is not paying attention to the content of his posts. Anybody that accepts the word of a bar girl, then represents it as true in light of the facts, does a disservice to the forum when those who we all know are knowledgeable about the Monterrey venue say that the bar girl is full of baloney. Notice, I did not say that Marius was full of it, but that the bar girl was full of it. There is a big difference.

My suspicions of certain posters on-line do receive my doubt, and often my inquisitive commentary, especially when I discern something in their posts that's inconsistent with respect to what I know is the real situation on the ground in Monterrey. If I discern in the content of their posts a potentially ulterior motive, or when their posts appear to have a disingenuous component to them, they receive my suspicion. And, certainly, they receive an even stronger forceful response when I am directly attacked by them, when they can not legitimize their questionable posts, or when other mongers I personally know are attacked by them.

Blourghas, you are genuine in your experience, in your mongering acumen, etc...yet, we have never met. I would never question the validity of your posts. I would never react as I have other than to defend myself. I know you're for real. As you said, we have some of the same friends, and association with Monterreydude, etc...

With respect to these trolls, those they consider themselves "our" enemies, and with respect to the want-to-be's who are trying to make us believe the bogus content of their posts are legit, I can smell them all a mile away, bogus screen names and all. If I respond to them, and it appears I'm being overly harsh, it's simple to discern if what I perceived in their posts is actual BS, or whether their posts have some validity. The only way we can do that when suspicion arises is to challenge them, politely, in the forum.

Accepting anything posted at the expense of legitimate information is no trade off. Their posting misleading information doesn't serve any of us well. We are wise to question posts that look a little strange in our own experience. And, my rule of thumb is to politely question their validity. If they escalate with offensive rhetoric, and they choose to get nasty, they will be met with the same level of discourse they perpetrate upon me.

Ok, enough said...I am going back into the abis now, and will allow all the inhibited their opportunity to post unmolested, providing they are not posting BS, or attacking me or mine...so, nobody else rattle my cage.

Blourghas, when you come back to Monterrey, send me a PM, or advise Monterreydude, and we can hook up. See you later... :-)

[Blourghus]

The idea of "monger meetings" as it applies to this discussion is very interesting. I have two different modes. For things like the old NLBT meetings where I was going down there regularly, it was more about meeting with the guys (most of whom didn't come down as much), and maybe I could help try to help guys hook up with the lady they had their eye on or whatever (I'm not about taking taking/giving recommendations of specific ladies either because I march to a totally different drummer when it comes to that). I looked at myself as more host, and if I got with a lady myself that was cool, but if not then whatever. It was not the top priority but more was hanging out with friends (which is mostly I see how MonterreyDude is). On the other hand for intercontinental destination I don't get to frequently it's all about precision focus on the ladies, don't bother me because I'm busy, and I don't even really read the monger forums typically to know or care who the big players are.

However, I do think there is a certain confusion between this forum and the monger meetings which take place in Monterrey. Those are essentially private gatherings where this particular forum is a bigger, more public forum. This forum is at least as I see it, not an extension of that but just a different microcosm of the whole mongering world. There are guys who post here who do not meet for the gatherings in Monterrey, and there are guys who meet in Monterrey who have never logged in here. And then there's a whole host of guys go to Monterrey but who have done neither. The whole Monterrey world is 100x bigger than this forum, and also a 100x bigger than the lunch buffet meetings at Prestige. Thus, I find USB's attack (and accompanying call to "prove yourself") of anybody who he hasn't personally had a beer with to pretty offensive. It's a public online forum and discussions and standards should be conducted with what takes place on line and not elsewhere, and making references and requirements of admission which are off line is just creating an atmosphere of exclusion.

I respect USB and he is one of the truest & most honest guys on the boards today. I'm glad he participates heres, and it's just crazy we have never met but our trips just somehow never line up (let's change that, OK?). I'm just giving my feedback about the forum. I hope future guys who come and give a differing opinion, and question the forum's sacred cows, will be greeted more open mindedly. Instead of attacking, ask questions & understand. I have no problem with tearing apart someone's argument but ripping him apart just because he doesn't hang out with you is uncalled for. And if I came off as cranky it's just because due to the Laredo flooding I'm stuck here instead of being where I'd rather be .... in Monterrey.

[Member #3453]

I am, at times, somewhat of a lone wolf as well. It kind of depends on my mood. I think my being a loner at times has more to do with my impatience in working the process, finding her quickly, etc...I agree that using the clubs to find the best physically attractive and the most charming candidate is the most effective method compared to escorts and MP girls.

I find that when I am in the mood to take girls on salida I am less interested in socializing, and more impatient with the process in the clubs, etc...But, when I'm virtually satiated after having seen a lot of girls, then I'm more interested in just socializing in the clubs with a girl on my lap, etc...

And that's the distinction between the strip clubs. Some are more convenient for a quick selection for salida purposes, and some are better for just socializing. Hence, if someone wants a salida, then the lower level bars offer the quickest environment within the bar system. You can get in and out, and they cost less than the medium level bars. On the other hand, some real stunners can be found in the more comfortable medium and upper level clubs, but you'll pay incrementally more for the privilege as you move up the ladder.

There are just too many instances of the bait and switch being used in the escort venue. And, it must also be said that preferences vary quite substantially from monger to monger. So, while recommendations from others about the quality of certain specific escorts has a potential for being useful to some, there's no guarantee that any one monger, with all the individual tastes that exist, will specifically find them to be just as good as the original recommendation.

And, with respect to MP girls, so many of them have bodies that are not up to par in comparison to what can be more easily found in the strip clubs. My experience is that, statistically, many more MP girls have bodies that are typically older, flabbier, fatter, droopier, etc...So, finding one that's nubile within the MP circuit is much more difficult unless you find them at one of the upper level MPs, which will cost you the same amount as a strip club girl of equal quality, for less time spent. I can find strip club girls that are up to par with upper level MP girls, usually for twice the time spent, and the same or even less overall cost, the same with escort girls. If they spend forty five minutes, I get them for two hours.

With my criteria and preferences, it's a no-brainer for me that a selection from the strip clubs will offer a greater degree of satisfaction in the end than were I to spend the time in the MPs and culling through various escorts. But, to each his own. I've been down the road enough to know and understand my own psychology to the extent that my satisfaction is more likely if I invest the time in the strip clubs.

I actually am not more sociable. But I get your point because a lot of guys do like to monger in with others and have a camaraderie of it all (the king of all of this happens with CRT members at Hotel Del Rey in Costa Rica...those guys spend all their time shooting the breeze while I swoop in and bang the girls)

I like the socialness of the bar scenes because I can buy a girl a drink and chat them up to get a feel for her personality and attitude. If there's not a spark, I send her on her way and get another until I find someone that will work. I also like the clubs with dancers because you can seem them naked so there's no surprises on the body department in the room. Being with dudes just gets in my way. In the places I've gone in the world I've pretty much researched it on the monger boards and go on my own. I do run into guys in the bar that want to chat me up but often times they'll be there at the wrong time when I'm hunting.

I try and post to the boards and answer people's questions as a way of paying back the community for all the help I got back in the day. I don't usually seek out meetups with posters here. Notable exceptions is I did meet up with MonterreyDude a few times. I also met up with Blourghus in Tijuana. And I try to meet up with them when they're in my town (TJ) or I'm in MTY. I missed meeting USB by a day or two one time I was in Monterrey.

In Mexico, I've only indulged in Massage Parlors in the DF...place called Action Sports Spa near the Four Seasons. I've enjoyed them in Costa Rica and Thailand as well. . The places that have the fishbowl lineup helps me satisfy my physical needs, but you can't get a good read on personality.

And with escorts you have to worry about bait and switch or wondering if there's an ugly face under that pixelated face. And again, no chance to get a good read of personality.

The boystowns in Reynosa and Nuevo Laredo have value priced door girls. Tijuana has the infamous alley girls. Although some of the girls are drop dead gorgeous, I still don't get a read of the personality I can over a chela or two.

So give me a bar any day. Which is why I love MTY so much. Enough of some of the most beautiful girls in the bars to keep my busy for years. My only complaint it is it too hot in the summer and too far away to visit more frequently.

But what makes the hobby so good is there's something for everyone. If a guy doesn't like the bars scene, that just means there's more girls for me.

[Member #3453]

Almost everything I write relates back to the subject of living, and mongering, in Mexico, whether some mongers recognize my posts as such or not. Discussions about the weather, boxing, football, politics, etc...do not provide direct recommendations about Mongering per se, but editorializing about issues that relate in some way to the subject of living, mongering, and negotiating the nuances of Mexican society are still quite relevant to mongering. Editorializing, by it's very nature, is often lengthy. That's what I do when I am not providing advice and recommendations through the PM system or within the forum. Besides, not much in the way of direct recommendations really deviates from what we've already posted 1000 times in the forum.

I fully understand that editorializing is not specific enough to be directly used to monger, that some do not appreciate my style, my content, that some do not have the literary fortitude, and/or apparently the time, to digest the content of my lengthy posts.

But, it isn't right to be "called out" on the one hand for my editorializing in the forum, and then be simultaneously asked to keep posting, but only to this or that person's criteria of acceptable standards. None of us owes this forum anything, and especially those of us that have tirelessly, and gladly, helped those asking for advice and recommendations for the last ten years.

In exchange, the trade-off will be no expectation with respect to our posting trip reports, or in divulging specific information that can easily be used against us. We have both been through that gauntlet before, and we have learned the hard way.

I am being brutally honest when I admit that I am in it totally for my own gratification, and not out of any patronizing desire to "help all the rest of mongering." At least I am being honest, rather than self aggrandizing, and trying to disingenuously make the reader believe that I feel some kind of benevolent motivation to help others. Don't misunderstand, I am pleased to help others, and will always respond to inquiries through the PM system, or when I see requests for help in the forum. But...

I have decided not to post trip reports, not to comment on specifics, but merely to editorialize. The forum gets my advice and recommendations when requested, and I get the satisfaction of editorializing when I feel like it. Fair is fair. Therefore, modifying my "style and content" to placate the sensibilities of others isn't really a reasonable expectation for my future contributions when you consider that my only motivation is my own satisfaction.

Boys boys boys...!!!

Temper temper!!!

Very simply said as I know both of you in person and have read you for many years, is that you say the same things in different styles AND in both of you go to the same lengths to be very specific with details storywise.

Blourghus my friend, there is one difference.
You are one of the most experienced mongers I have ever met.
But, only me and a hanful have read you since you post your adventures elsewhere AND your even most personal level goes to another "where" different from "elsewhere".

USB, I've had this same discussion many years ago, but it all sums that USB loves to write, loves to spin his yarns and there is nothing wrong with this.
And I kinda like his style. So does a lot of mongers.

Yes boys, both of you, neither of you can cast the first stone, since both of you are the same, but different
And I am not kidding on this.

[Super Gato]

Dare I say, club guys are much more sociable, and enjoy the comradery of other mongers. The bar scene is the venue where the comradery is available. That is the one and only reason he makes that effort at all, not for any self serving monetary advantage. I would not expect you to understand. You don't care about the comradery between mongers. That is not a slam to what you prefer with respect to mongering, but it just demonstrates that your evolution in the hobby is such that you do not apparently appreciate the satisfaction of attending the clubs beyond just the obvious.

I actually am not more sociable. But I get your point because a lot of guys do like to monger in with others and have a camaraderie of it all (the king of all of this happens with CRT members at Hotel Del Rey in Costa Rica...those guys spend all their time shooting the breeze while I swoop in and bang the girls)

I like the socialness of the bar scenes because I can buy a girl a drink and chat them up to get a feel for her personality and attitude. If there's not a spark, I send her on her way and get another until I find someone that will work. I also like the clubs with dancers because you can seem them naked so there's no surprises on the body department in the room. Being with dudes just gets in my way. In the places I've gone in the world I've pretty much researched it on the monger boards and go on my own. I do run into guys in the bar that want to chat me up but often times they'll be there at the wrong time when I'm hunting.

I try and post to the boards and answer people's questions as a way of paying back the community for all the help I got back in the day. I don't usually seek out meetups with posters here. Notable exceptions is I did meet up with MonterreyDude a few times. I also met up with Blourghus in Tijuana. And I try to meet up with them when they're in my town (TJ) or I'm in MTY. I missed meeting USB by a day or two one time I was in Monterrey.

In Mexico, I've only indulged in Massage Parlors in the DF...place called Action Sports Spa near the Four Seasons. I've enjoyed them in Costa Rica and Thailand as well. . The places that have the fishbowl lineup helps me satisfy my physical needs, but you can't get a good read on personality.

And with escorts you have to worry about bait and switch or wondering if there's an ugly face under that pixelated face. And again, no chance to get a good read of personality.

The boystowns in Reynosa and Nuevo Laredo have value priced door girls. Tijuana has the infamous alley girls. Although some of the girls are drop dead gorgeous, I still don't get a read of the personality I can over a chela or two.

So give me a bar any day. Which is why I love MTY so much. Enough of some of the most beautiful girls in the bars to keep my busy for years. My only complaint it is it too hot in the summer and too far away to visit more frequently.

But what makes the hobby so good is there's something for everyone. If a guy doesn't like the bars scene, that just means there's more girls for me.

[MonterreyDude]

Boys boys boys...!!!

Temper temper!!!

Very simply said as I know both of you in person and have read you for many years, is that you say the same things in different styles AND in both of you go to the same lengths to be very specific with details storywise.

Blourghus my friend, there is one difference.
You are one of the most experienced mongers I have ever met.
But, only me and a hanful have read you since you post your adventures elsewhere AND your even most personal level goes to another "where" different from "elsewhere".

USB, I've had this same discussion many years ago, but it all sums that USB loves to write, loves to spin his yarns and there is nothing wrong with this.
And I kinda like his style. So does a lot of mongers.

Yes boys, both of you, neither of you can cast the first stone, since both of you are the same, but different
And I am not kidding on this.

What of my most recent posts did you not understand? I will gladly elaborate if you want me to explain my comments. My comments are written in proper English, so there should be no ambiguity.

The problem is, they're sometimes just not short and sweet, or dumb-ed down sufficiently to be easily scanned over, with little or no effort being necessary by the reader. I doubt that it's a matter of not understanding my posts, and more a matter of simply not wanting to read their length.

I can't be responsible for those that don't want to read them, and fail to comprehend them because they don't want to take the time to try to understand their content. Likewise, I am not responsible for those that don't understand perfectly proper English grammar. No, that's the school system's fault.

Furthermore, I find it really unbelievable that anyone would find my posts to be so frightening and intimidating that they are inhibited from posting anything for weeks and weeks on end, during a time that I post nothing, during a time when there are no other contributions to this forum to influence their participation.

Look, I am simply not going to dumb down my posts, or make them shorter if I want to write a long post. Those that don't want to read my long posts, or are bored by them, etc...they can simply put me on ignore, or even easier, just scan past them...Simple solution.

I've been on a self imposed exile because I don't want to endure criticisms from others insisting that I comment, that I take a leadership role, etc...but aren't happy with the content of my posts, the length of my posts, don't understand what I have to say when I do comment, want to hold me disproportionately responsible for the lack of viability of this forum...yet still want me to participate according to their own subjective whims.

That's precisely why I've been relatively silent, to prove a point. This way, from my perspective, there will be no disappointments, and I won't have to endure an unwanted responsibility. I won't have to be criticized for making off topic conversation, bantering with friends, writing long posts, writing posts that are not understood, etc...

Bottom line, I can get back to having fun rather than wasting time with those looking for some esoteric perfection from me. Other than toying with these trolls, and engaging in occasional banter with my friends to break the boredom of this forum, I will remain in relative obscurity for the benefit of all, but mostly for my own benefit.

[Marius 67]

It's almost laughable for Sponge Bob to compare Monterrery to Chicago. When was the last time a hand granade tossed inside a local TV News station in Chicago?. Never? Well it occured in Monterrey a couple of days ago. When did the National Army and Federal Agents have a shoot out with drug cartels in downtown Chicago? Last time it happend in Chicago was during the 1920's prohibition. Again, this happend in the streets of Monterrey a few days ago on Pino Suárez entre la calle de 15 de Mayo y 5 de Mayo en el centro de Monterrey; close by the clubs. Monterrey was also recently flooded too. Monterrey is deadly right now; If you go take extreme caution.

[Member #3453]

What of my most recent posts did you not understand? I will gladly elaborate if you want me to explain my comments. My comments are written in proper English, so there should be no ambiguity.

The problem is, they're sometimes just not short and sweet, or dumb-ed down sufficiently to be easily scanned over, with little or no effort being necessary by the reader. I doubt that it's a matter of not understanding my posts, and more a matter of simply not wanting to read their length.

I can't be responsible for those that don't want to read them, and fail to comprehend them because they don't want to take the time to try to understand their content. Likewise, I am not responsible for those that don't understand perfectly proper English grammar. No, that's the school system's fault.

Furthermore, I find it really unbelievable that anyone would find my posts to be so frightening and intimidating that they are inhibited from posting anything for weeks and weeks on end, during a time that I post nothing, during a time when there are no other contributions to this forum to influence their participation.

Look, I am simply not going to dumb down my posts, or make them shorter if I want to write a long post. Those that don't want to read my long posts, or are bored by them, etc...they can simply put me on ignore, or even easier, just scan past them...Simple solution.

I've been on a self imposed exile because I don't want to endure criticisms from others insisting that I comment, that I take a leadership role, etc...but aren't happy with the content of my posts, the length of my posts, don't understand what I have to say when I do comment, want to hold me disproportionately responsible for the lack of viability of this forum...yet still want me to participate according to their own subjective whims.

That's precisely why I've been relatively silent, to prove a point. This way, from my perspective, there will be no disappointments, and I won't have to endure an unwanted responsibility. I won't have to be criticized for making off topic conversation, bantering with friends, writing long posts, writing posts that are not understood, etc...

Bottom line, I can get back to having fun rather than wasting time with those looking for some esoteric perfection from me. Other than toying with these trolls, and engaging in occasional banter with my friends to break the boredom of this forum, I will remain in relative obscurity for the benefit of all, but mostly for my own benefit.

@Unspongbob - But that's my point! Going into exile is not facilitating discussion. Your style of either not replying at all, or else posting a 10 page novel (about which the first paragraph is on topic, and the rest is about something else) is not encouraging a healthy level of discourse. Quite frankly your long posts are frightening & intimidating to outsiders, and do not encourage discussion. After 10 years on the forum I would really expect someone to start showing more signs of leadership. No, as you said, it is not your obligation, because you are not the forum owner but just another member.

I go to MTY 1~2 times a month and go to the same bars with you, have the same friends of you, and even know some of the same ladies, but I don't really understand most of your posts - which might be a sign they are totally incomprehensible to outsiders. And quite honestly (and no offense intended personally), I don't think your reports are as useful as you think they are. A good quantification of whether this forum is useful is whether someone could piece together enough info to travel independently there. MonterreyDude is my friend, and has helped me find loads of ladies, but "PM MonterreyDude" is not a travel guide. I have been to most major Latin America cities and honestly don't find Monterrey particularly special or anything different as far as operation on the ground.

It should not take a troll like Chester Boy to start a discussion. The fact that members have to resort to being trolls be listened to should be a sign of something - maybe the forum is not as welcoming to new members and different viewpoints as it should be. I see guys on different forums start contributing immediately and get started and jump immediately in the discussion. I don't see that here. It's too much of a clique.

[Blourghus]

@Unspongbob - But that's my point! Going into exile is not facilitating discussion. Your style of either not replying at all, or else posting a 10 page novel (about which the first paragraph is on topic, and the rest is about something else) is not encouraging a healthy level of discourse. Quite frankly your long posts are frightening & intimidating to outsiders, and do not encourage discussion. After 10 years on the forum I would really expect someone to start showing more signs of leadership. No, as you said, it is not your obligation, because you are not the forum owner but just another member.

I go to MTY 1~2 times a month and go to the same bars with you, have the same friends of you, and even know some of the same ladies, but I don't really understand most of your posts - which might be a sign they are totally incomprehensible to outsiders. And quite honestly (and no offense intended personally), I don't think your reports are as useful as you think they are. A good quantification of whether this forum is useful is whether someone could piece together enough info to travel independently there. MonterreyDude is my friend, and has helped me find loads of ladies, but "PM MonterreyDude" is not a travel guide. I have been to most major Latin America cities and honestly don't find Monterrey particularly special or anything different as far as operation on the ground.

It should not take a troll like Chester Boy to start a discussion. The fact that members have to resort to being trolls be listened to should be a sign of something - maybe the forum is not as welcoming to new members and different viewpoints as it should be. I see guys on different forums start contributing immediately and get started and jump immediately in the discussion. I don't see that here. It's too much of a clique.

[Super Gato]

SG, our mythomanic friend posted that he's been living in Monterrey for the past 6 years.

It would be so easy for him to prove it, I mean, right now, what it means to be in Monterrey... you guys SG, and Bbond, specially Bbond in NL, get my meaning?

Nothing, from CB in this line of posts.

I rarely laugh out loud but but when I read that I may actually be a made up account that lives only to protect your and USB's honor I cackled.

And then at the bottom of his missive saying that he things calling people an impostor is bad in the same post where I was an impostor! Kettle, meet pot!

If CB wants to provide information and advice on mongering in MTY, I'd be happy to read the reports. But if all he wants to do is complain then he'll just go onto my ignore list.

[MonterreyDude]

SG, our mythomanic friend posted that he's been living in Monterrey for the past 6 years.

It would be so easy for him to prove it, I mean, right now, what it means to be in Monterrey... you guys SG, and Bbond, specially Bbond in NL, get my meaning?

Nothing, from CB in this line of posts.

Yes, I'm actually both MonterreyDude and USB. Super Gato is a sockpuppet account that is used solely for defending the MonterreyDude and USB accounts. The hundreds of posts here and on other boards with trip reports and answers to questions are completely fictitious. In fact, MonterreyDude and USB are just one person: A 40 year old virgin that lives in his mom's basement in Indiana. He's never been to Monterrey or anywhere else.

Congratulations for discovering the conspiracy.


I saw this exchange and it was respectful. But you have to deal with the source of the hearsay and compare it to the preponderance of evidence.

If a dancer and customer were shot at Infinito, MonterreyDude and/or USB would be the first to report on it. There would have been numerous people reporting here and the other monger boards. It would be on the news and in the papers. If I believed everything a dancer said, they're all working their way through school and they could use some extra money because their mom is sick.

Wow that would be great wouldn't it? But it isn't like that and your complaining isn't helping. You want to provide a newbie's guide to Monterrey in the same spirit as Brockton O'Toole's Tijuana Guide, knock yourself out. Jackson might just put it on the ISG front page. But you have to write it. I'm sure with six years in MTY you'll have no problem.

Both of MTYdude and USB do answer people's question in the forum. A lot of times MTYdude will actually meet people out at the bars (not just Infinito) and show them around. These guys are not part of some Infinito conspiracy to draw gringos into their bar and cover up the shootings of dancers in the club.

USB and MonterreyDude post a lot but frankly there's not a lot of traffic on this board because it isn't a big sex tourism destination. The locals and expats know the locations and there's not a lot of new news. The same clubs are there. People pop in and ask questions and they get an answer usually from USB or MonterreyDude because those guys visit the forum often. Again, there's not a huge insider conspiracy.

This is the best thing I’ve read! In the same post where you accuse me of being an imposter you complain about calling people imposters.

As in real life, respect is not guaranteed. It is earned and you’ve done little to earn any. Sorry if the participants in the forum aren’t up to your standards.

[MonterreyDude]

They are saying here that the roads will be closed till Tuesday.

Atrapa corriente tráileres y autos en carretera Nuevo Laredo-Monterrey; cierran

They say closed for at least 2 days....

http://www.elmanana.com.mx/notas.asp?id=190050

[Doubt98]

I am one of those that prefer the bars. I like the atmosphere and I like the selection. I am one of those that prefers the hunt, as in the paraphrased quote "a diamond found in the rough is far more valuable than one purchased reliably."

I have been to the MP's. Last time I was there I went to one on the advice of someone that is a local and doesn't post here often. It was a great experience. $800 pesos for a girl that was at least an 8.5 in the light of day. On my way out they wanted me to write down for management to see how I scored the time with her. I gave her 99 out of 100. Get that at a club....

Compared to later that night when I pulled a girl out of Tangalay which I thought was extremely hot. In the light of the hotel room she dropped from a 9 to a 7. Experience was good, not great. Wasn't GFE but it was all access. I might repeat if nothing better was found. Total cost was $1350 for 2.5 hours. Total cost for the hunt around $2000.

I still prefer the clubs. I got 3 hours of hunting, which I enjoy, and over 2 hours of "driving in victory lane"; for a total cost of probably 400mx an hour including drinks, privado or two, cigar, and taxi. Cheaper than playing golf and probably more of a sport.

Personal preference is where it's at. Also, at what the high end MP's cost, I can get that here in the US. Really. Are the bars safe? probably not as much as I believe. But I was also in a strip club in the US when a group of local gang members came trolling in. I soon left because I felt there was more of an element of danger from them than any of the cartel members I have seen in Monterrey.