Monterrey

[IhateUPS]

I read something about a metropolis premier on some spanish site. Is that 1 any good? I'm not looking to give money away like at a SC from up north, just looking for a bit of an upgrade. Any of those a board fav? I'm not big on bouncing all over the city looking for a place unless I feel like the people @ the club are trying to rip me off.

Actually, you're right on topic...

Prestige
Amnesia
Obsession
Poisson

I thinik I am forgetting at least one. You know, there has been a few new places spring up that are trying to represent themselves as High End, at least their prices are high end anyway. I don't recall the names of the new places, but Amigomio might know of them from his Yahoo group. They are all of them relatively small I believe. Amigomio, what am I forgetting?

[Member #3453]

Exactly, within reason, you have to jump at the opportunities and take your lumps if you choose wrong. If you wait for everything to line up, the opportunity usually deteriorates with them, and you just find yourself with blue balls, and being frustrated that you're stuck with the second string to choose from. Amigomio doesn't have to do this because he can take his time. But, even as frequently as I am here in Monterrey, I have to also make quick, and sometimes rapid assessments to maximize my travel dollar, and frequently make what someone that lives here would consider hasty and careless kinds of selections.

And, Amigomio will love this analogy after our political discussions today...With respect to selecting girls, if you don't have the time to aim, you're best pulling out the shotgun, verdad?

Amigomio is correct. They will take the highest bidder. Problem is, you might not be there to up your bid. I have learned to jump when I find something I like and don't make plans for later. I've also learned that I might find something I like better later too. Once I developed that "I don't care" attitude with them, then things got a lot easier on me.

[Member #3453]

Actually, you're right on topic...

Prestige
Amnesia
Obsession
Poisson

I thinik I am forgetting at least one. You know, there has been a few new places spring up that are trying to represent themselves as High End, at least their prices are high end anyway. I don't recall the names of the new places, but Amigomio might know of them from his Yahoo group. They are all of them relatively small I believe. Amigomio, what am I forgetting?

Sorry, a bit off topic, what are the upper level clubs? I have been to infinito and it was not bad, but the privados were a bit too public for me.

[Member #3453]

Hey Marius,

Well, yeah, things have, just in the last 4 weeks seemingly, taken a more serious tone here. It isn't Beirut yet, but it definitely requires one to take an extra measure of security. If anyone comes down now, just take things a little slower, and think over what you're doing before you do it. Keep track of your surroundings, and maybe be a little on edge when you're out and about. Hey, if they really want you though, you're probably toast. If they come looking for me in my hotel, they're going to have a rude awakening when they see my bank account :-).

I know Amigomio, and he is basically a Pollo in Sheep's clothing. Just joking...comon' don't get mad, get even! :-)))

The reason I used Amigomio for the brunt of that little jab is I know that he is a very intelligent, careful, and cautious kind of hombre. He is still frequenting El Infinito and the rest of the bars. I believe that in this present environment anything can happen, so I don't mean to minimize your warnings about what might occur Marius. Your warnings are prudent, and I did not mean in my former comments that anyone should minimize the risk. There is a risk here. Just when I start to minimize any risk, with my kind of luck, that's when I'll get my head shot off.

But, Amigomio is still going, and if he is still making the rounds, I'll go with his assessment...until he gets me killed...then, I won't have much to say about it. :-)

I have contemplated taking a rest from such frequent visits, and I might still do it. But, I have a lot to lose. I have other responsibilities to a relationship here that keep me coming down as often as I do. I have to take care of my girl, and try to keep things moving in the right direction with her, or I will probably lose track of her. It has little to do with sex or mongering now, so I am really trapped. I am literally here probably far more often than I would probably otherwise be given the violent circumstances.

Next time you come down, let me know and we can hang out together if I'm around Marius. Going to El Infinito tonight with Amigomio. Wish me luck. I would like to be packin,' but the gun laws here prohibit my doing so.

Unospongebob,

I told you so. Society in Mexico has deteriorated. I would not dare tell of the Insane Tales of Horror the Taxi's, Bar Tenders, Bus Drivers, and our local dancers have told me. Infinito is at the heart of Zeta territory. Be careful!. Lots of dancers and waiters fear that Infinito might be sprayed with bullets. Just make yourself a hard target when going to Infinito.

I also feel that I'am getting priced out at Infinito. I can't afford that kind of cash every weekend. I need to find other venues in Monterrey.

UnospongeBob please stay safe amigo, I would like to meet and hang out some time in the future. Your past writings got me involved in this hobby.

[IhateUPS]

Sorry, a bit off topic, what are the upper level clubs? I have been to infinito and it was not bad, but the privados were a bit too public for me.

[Doubt98]

ElCabron, USB, Doubt, me and many others have been personally betrayed by GFs that have dropped any well laid plans in favor of the guy with more bills in his wallet.

Any time you lay foot at a club, you must have the idea that everyone is after your money, even if they are not.
Thing is you have to work yourself around all these barriers, flank the girls defenses, let them know you know how business works, and hit them hard.
And show no weakness, cause you will be lost.

Amigomio is correct. They will take the highest bidder. Problem is, you might not be there to up your bid. I have learned to jump when I find something I like and don't make plans for later. I've also learned that I might find something I like better later too. Once I developed that "I don't care" attitude with them, then things got a lot easier on me.

[MonterreyDude]

I made a point yesterday to USB: All this event that happend was weird.

These gunmen were after someone specific and they couldn't find him.

Well, my point is that I want to point out that am still doing my club rounds at night, still doing my lunch buffet rounds at noon.

You guys can really start thinking about it whan I write here: I am quiting the SC scene.

But that will just not happen right now, boys and girls.

This Wednesday, the night of my return to Monterrey, fifty masked gunmen stormed a downtown Monterrey Holiday Inn kidnapping several hostages. The Holiday Inn is less than two miles from where I stay.

The attack is believed to be drug related, and fortunately, no deaths were reported during the pre-dawn attack. Police response was delayed because the criminals used stolen vehicles that they used to block the roads leading to the hotel. The SOBs went room to room with the desk clerk to find the specific ones they were targeting, obviously to gain access to their locked doors, and take them hostage.

I am, for the first time, considering a self imposed exile from Mexico as a result of this escalation. Up until now, I was relatively nonchalant about it, believing that crime is certainly everywhere, certainly in the United States.

I am getting so much pressure now from loved ones back home that are concerned for my safety, that I am likely to have to return home prematurely because of Wednesday's events. I am not fearful myself, as I have always been kind of a fearless soul, marching into the stare of the Devil himself if I sense there to be an upside on the other side. But, loved ones are not so strong...

The terrorists, and that's what they are, they are ruining my fun!!!!!! And, it may be ruined for a very long time. Is there nothing more to happen to we Gringos? First, we are screwed by our financial system, robbed of our savings, our economy stands to be wrecked for 20 years to come by the bums running our government, not to mention the crooks running our corporations. And NOW...we can not even escape the madness by slipping away temporarily to our beloved Mexico for fear that we will be targeted, kidnapped, and ultimately assassinated by a bunch of losers.

[MonterreyDude]

Marius, sir, my money calculations have already taken in account what belongs to the girl and what belongs to the House.

And believe me, I have talked to many girls working at Infinito and many of them prefer to be groped by customers than to sit, drink till they fall and pretend they are friends with a customer.

And Marius please, Infinito is not a first class club.
Infinito is a working class club, supposedly, lower end of the spectrum kind.
A great club, never the less

You should see what the girls at the upper end class clubs earn.

And the most important part that you are not thinking about is that the money is completly tax free.

Marius, you should consider jumping up a notch to clubs like Casino, Pasarelas, Harem, good clubs I favor too.
Of course if you go there prices will go up almost exponentially.

Having a girl sit with you in those clubs will make you spend around 500 pesos in drinks, just drinks, and get nothing in exchange if compared to Infinito.
Personal dances will add 60 pesos per dance to your tab.

If you want a 15 minute quickie 550 pesos and half an hour room, 1300 pesos (all these depends on the club).

We are talking now 1000 pesos to 1800 pesos.
And my figures are on the conservative side.

Proportionaly speaking the girls get more and it costs more, much more to pay a salida at this clubs (1500 for her, 1000 salida fee for the House).
And I have been witness to girls saying no to customers that are willing to pay the price.

Why? Cause they get more money sitting down at the clubs than getting into bed with a customer.
Same thing that happens along at all clubs.

The girls are in the business to get money, and maybe by the way, satisfy the customer.

You are going to the clubs thinking you are doing the girls a big favor when you should go with the mentality that the girls without a second thought, will screw you and not the other way around.

You are spending too much time thinking that they will fall for a couple of pesos when you must consider that their monetary ambition is over everything and ahead of you by many steps.

ElCabron, USB, Doubt, me and many others have been personally betrayed by GFs that have dropped any well laid plans in favor of the guy with more bills in his wallet.

Any time you lay foot at a club, you must have the idea that everyone is after your money, even if they are not.
Thing is you have to work yourself around all these barriers, flank the girls defenses, let them know you know how business works, and hit them hard.
And show no weakness, cause you will be lost.

I know that you Amigomio live in the city and probably know more of how things work. But when the girl decides to stay and go for the $50 peso lap dance,. She's only getting half, so 25 pesos and the other half goes for the bar. She ends up with $25 pesos and getting severly groped by the locals, then getting groped by at least 12 guys while dancing on stage where no money is made, this is not good deal in my book. I believe the answer is pure stupidty and ego by these girls. Last Saturday a girl refused me due to a $150 pesos diffirence for a salida. Later on that night I see her chatting away with a client for about two hours. She might have made 400 pesos tops with the fechas. I don't understand. Maybe it's not about the money. The only way a girl can make an equal amount of money compared to a salida is having sex at the bar with multiple locals, where the risk of getting an STD greatly increases. I cannot comprehend their thinking process. For those of you that are not aware, Infinitos lap dance cubicles are completely sprayed with semen.

I just can't comprehend their thinking method.

[Marius 67]

Unospongebob,

I told you so. Society in Mexico has deteriorated. I would not dare tell of the Insane Tales of Horror the Taxi's, Bar Tenders, Bus Drivers, and our local dancers have told me. Infinito is at the heart of Zeta territory. Be careful!. Lots of dancers and waiters fear that Infinito might be sprayed with bullets. Just make yourself a hard target when going to Infinito.

I also feel that I'am getting priced out at Infinito. I can't afford that kind of cash every weekend. I need to find other venues in Monterrey.

UnospongeBob please stay safe amigo, I would like to meet and hang out some time in the future. Your past writings got me involved in this hobby.

[Member #3453]

This Wednesday, the night of my return to Monterrey, fifty masked gunmen stormed a downtown Monterrey Holiday Inn kidnapping several hostages. The Holiday Inn is less than two miles from where I stay.

The attack is believed to be drug related, and fortunately, no deaths were reported during the pre-dawn attack. Police response was delayed because the criminals used stolen vehicles that they used to block the roads leading to the hotel. The SOBs went room to room with the desk clerk to find the specific ones they were targeting, obviously to gain access to their locked doors, and take them hostage.

I am, for the first time, considering a self imposed exile from Mexico as a result of this escalation. Up until now, I was relatively nonchalant about it, believing that crime is certainly everywhere, certainly in the United States.

I am getting so much pressure now from loved ones back home that are concerned for my safety, that I am likely to have to return home prematurely because of Wednesday's events. I am not fearful myself, as I have always been kind of a fearless soul, marching into the stare of the Devil himself if I sense there to be an upside on the other side. But, loved ones are not so strong...

The terrorists, and that's what they are, they are ruining my fun!!!!!! And, it may be ruined for a very long time. Is there nothing more to happen to we Gringos? First, we are screwed by our financial system, robbed of our savings, our economy stands to be wrecked for 20 years to come by the bums running our government, not to mention the crooks running our corporations. And NOW...we can not even escape the madness by slipping away temporarily to our beloved Mexico for fear that we will be targeted, kidnapped, and ultimately assassinated by a bunch of losers.

[Member #3453]

Sorry we could not have met Genghois. Let us know when you're coming back. The chances are I will be there next time you visit.

Thailand...don't rub it in!!! :-) Have a great time!

Well, you can't have anything but a great time. Therefore, I'll wish you a safe trip instead.

Just want to send out a thank you to Amigomio for driving me around and showing me some new venues on Monday. Great to finally meet you!

USB, sorry I couldn't hang around for another day to meet you, too, but work calls me home.

I should be back a couple of times, in the next three or four months, and look forward to hooking up with the Monterrey gang!

I'll be in Thailand in nine days (pending the potential civil war). Eat your hearts out, guys!!

[Genghois]

Just want to send out a thank you to Amigomio for driving me around and showing me some new venues on Monday. Great to finally meet you!

USB, sorry I couldn't hang around for another day to meet you, too, but work calls me home.

I should be back a couple of times, in the next three or four months, and look forward to hooking up with the Monterrey gang!

I'll be in Thailand in nine days (pending the potential civil war). Eat your hearts out, guys!!

[Member #3453]

Sir,

That is all correct if they have super good luck. And if the stars line up in the heavens. Truth being most Mexican locals don't have that kind of cash to throw around. I'd say over 90% of them hardly come into Infinito with 400 pesos. Yes, thats true she can make that money in the privados, If she is going to have about 5 to 6 guys screwing her in 1 1/2 hrs. But thats not unheard of. Hahaha. Truth is they do get lucky in spurts, but nothing like the math that UnospongeBob speculates on. The other component that does play a role is drugs. I'd say over 80% of the girls are addicts.

No speculation involved...

The girls have to have at least 30-40 privados to achieve their quota to collect their salary. Believe me, those Divas collect their salary almost every weekend night, unless it's raining, or it's very cold out, which cuts into the number of clients visiting the bars.

So, based on the lower number, just 30 privados, they earn 450 pesos salary. So, 30 songs x 25 pesos = 750 pesos + 450 pesos salary = 1200 pesos in only 120 minutes (30 x 4 minutes). During that time, they are able to up sell, most of them making at least 300-600 pesos for each extra sold, all earned simultaneous to their earning by the song.

Amigomio is right, the Divas are busy constantly in El Infinito, some of them for hours on end, you never see them on the floor. Most of them that are successful like that work 4-5 hours, sometimes only one weekend night. Believe me, the entire time they are not on the floor, they are earning.

The Divas typically only have to work about 3-4 hours every weekend, one night a week to make ten times more than most Mexicanos earn working 7 twelve hour days a week. The really successful ones earn BIG MONEY by Mexican standards, and they don't have to work any other job, or earn from any other source, to be considered wealthy.

Girls do not do salidas for various reasons. Some have a delusional ethic that as long as they are at "work" in the bar it's their job, and they are not h**kers. Others of them have boy friends or husbands that prohibit them to leave the bar. Others of them are afraid to leave with strangers. Others of them prefer to earn the money in what they consider to be a safer environment. And, some of them, when asked to go on salida, can gauge the level of patrons in the bar, and know that they would be missing out on making just as much money as if they just bounced on your lap for 4 minutes.

And, consider this...even girls that are are HOT, not necessarily considered Divas, but popular in El Infinito, they're busy 5 hours straight when they show up. I have been with them when they're off duty, and their contemplating arriving at work, actually dreading it. They are so popular that they do not even want to approach the front door of the bar to tell them they will not be going to work for fear that they will be mauled by hordes of guys dying to get a piece of them.

Those girls are busy constantly, and while they earn from extras, much of the time they do so just selling privados, bouncing on laps, talking, mild petting, and doing little else, earning well even on week nights. Many of the them are in the privados the whole time, barely finding time to go to the bathroom, many of them literally rushing to eat dinner in ten minutes because they feel the pressure of losing opportunity to earn by the minute.

Chances are, you have never even seen them working the bar. You know why? They are NEVER downstairs...they're constantly in the privados. The moment they hit that bottom step, they're whisked back up into the privados.

But, anyway, if they do nothing but bounce on laps and chat most of time, they earn no less than 375 pesos per hour, 1875 pesos per night, plus salary.

And, consider this...if they have not yet achieved enough privados to have earned their salary, and you ask them to go on salida at that moment, they're considering the loss of their salary, 450 pesos. And, also the bar requires them to be earners in order for them to keep their jobs, their opportunity to earn huge amounts of money.

That's why many of them won't go with you. They are thinking of their lost salary, of not achieving earning potential for their employers, which is required of them to keep their jobs, making your offer of 1000 pesos a losing proposition for them (1000 pesos -450 pesos) depending on when you proposition them. That really is the key...when to ask them.

And, assuming they're also up-selling frequent extras, it sometimes makes leaving with us a losing proposition over the course of 90 minutes. And, believe me, the good girls have no problem selling extras, one after another.

[Marius 67]

I assume you must mean do not pay them more than 1000 pesos, plus the 350 to the bar. In the case of El Infinito, it's 350 pesos for the bar fine, but other bars charge more, sometimes up to 800 pesos. So, if you find a good girl in El Infinito that you would otherwise have to pay more for, I recommend you make the assessment based on the circumstances.

The divas can earn more working their shifts than going on salidas. If you do the math, they can earn about 25 pesos for each song in the privados, and songs last 4 minutes each, plus they get their salary if they achieve their quota each night, and the Divas most definitely do.

Yes, they're making their 25 pesos every 4 minutes, and sometimes they make more for less time if they cut you short on time with the cooperation of the partners in crime at the top of the stairs. But, they're not just making 25 pesos every 4 minutes. They are charging, and upcharging if they can get away with it, for extras. So, the ones that are in the privados constantly can make more than they make on salida.

Somebody check my math, but...25 pesos every four minutes in the privados = 562.50 pesos for the girl. If she rotates through 6 clients in 90 minutes, charging them extras, she will make approximately 2,362 to 2400 pesos in 90 minutes, more or less, depending on how good she is at bringing them off. Less rotation, 4 instead of 6 clinets, then it's less profitability. But, even if they only rotate 4 clients in 90 minutes, that's still 1200 pesos. It isn't hard for the divas to rotate 4 clients every 25 minutes. And, if you stay in there longer, they make even more because they don't have to find another customer downstairs.

2,400 pesos on the high end is quite a bit more than 1000 pesos on salida. The secret is to catch the girls when things are slow, and they see no other prospects. Weekends are the worst because they're much more profitable for the girls than weekdays, which is why I am not excited about weekends, sort of depressed because I know the girls are no so motivated on weekends. That's why I do most of my prowling on weekdays.

Sir,

That is all correct if they have super good luck. And if the stars line up in the heavens. Truth being most Mexican locals don't have that kind of cash to throw around. I'd say over 90% of them hardly come into Infinito with 400 pesos. Yes, thats true she can make that money in the privados, If she is going to have about 5 to 6 guys screwing her in 1 1/2 hrs. But thats not unheard of. Hahaha. Truth is they do get lucky in spurts, but nothing like the math that UnospongeBob speculates on. The other component that does play a role is drugs. I'd say over 80% of the girls are addicts.

[Member #3453]

in the case of el infinito, it's 350 pesos for the bar fine, but other bars charge more, sometimes up to 800 pesos. so, if you find a good girl in el infinito, one that you would otherwise have to pay more for elsewhere, i recommend you make the assessment based on your individual circumstances.

don't misunderstand, i don't advocate that we overpay them. far be it from me to overpay them. on the contrary, i have made a career out of getting more time with them for less money. but, i also don't pass up a "10" if she's offering to go with me for 1500 pesos either. i mean, comon' that's a $41.00 difference between 1000 and 1500 pesos. i wouldn't kick one of those divas out of bed for $41.00. :-) especially when i consider the opportunity cost, opportunity lost in light of travel investment, etc...

with respect to what the girls make for time spent working in the bar versus going on salida, the divas can earn more working their weekend shifts than going on salidas. if you do the math, they can earn about 25 pesos for each song in the privados, and songs last 4 minutes each, plus they get their salary if they achieve their quota each night, around 450 pesos i think, and the divas most definitely do get their quotas met.

so, they're making their 25 pesos every 4 minutes, and sometimes they make more for less time if they cut you short on time with the cooperation of their partners in crime at the top of the stairs. but, they're not just making 25 pesos every 4 minutes. they are charging, and up-charging, if they can get away with it, for extras. so, the ones that are in the privados constantly can make more than they make on salida.

25 pesos every four minutes in the privados = 562.50 pesos for the girl every 90 minutes. if she rotates through 6 clients in 90 minutes, charging them extras, she will make approximately 2,200 to 2400 pesos in 90 minutes, more or less, depending on how good she is at bringing them off. less rotation, 4 instead of 6 clients, then there's slightly less profitability. but, even if they only rotate 4 clients in 90 minutes, that's still 1200 pesos for extras. it isn't hard for the divas to rotate 4 clients every 22-25 minutes. and, if you stay in there longer than 22-25 minutes, they make money even faster because they don't have to find another customer downstairs. don't misunderstand, they don't sustain that regimen the entire night, but it's not hard to calculate that they can indeed make more by staying in the bar than they can going on salida. but, what we have going for us is that going on salida is a lot easier on them.

2,400 pesos on the high end is quite a bit more than 1000-1500 pesos on salida. the secret is to catch the girls when things are slow, and they see no other prospects. weekends are the worst because they are much more profitable for the girls than weekdays, which is why i am not excited about weekends. but, there is less selection on weekdays. so, if you want to choose from the best selection, 1000 pesos is not typically going to be as easy to arrange as if you were asking them on tuesday, wednesday, or thursday night for example.

i am sort of depressed on friday and saturday nights, and don't have a lot of ambition on weekends with the girls. i know the girls are not so motivated to go on salida on weekends. and, too, there are so many more impetuous guys on weekends, many more willing to part with their money foolishly, getting little more than a peck on the cheek at times, thereby creating a lot more competition for me. that's why i do most of my prowling on weekdays. i can often arrange for double the amount of time spent for about 25% less than the average going rate, sometimes a lot more time for less than the average rate.

but, i know from knowing some of the girls very well, as friends, and as amigovias, that it is damned hard work. can you imagine one client after another in those filthy privados for 6-8 hours straight, rotating clients every 22-25 minutes. that's what they do night after night. weekends are really hard on them, and i don't mean "hard-on" but difficult for them :-).

and, it's also why they eventually retire even when they are making huge amounts of money compared to their peers, many of them still looking really hot. the job eventually gets to them, all of them, some worse than others, some sooner than later. they simply can not sustain that kind of routine night after night. it's also why some of them only work weekends. they can't take the wear and tear night after night during the week and then endure the weekends too.

so, what amigomio said is true, el infinito is truly a cash cow compared to some of the other bars in town. but, it's hard work, and many of the girls often leave el infinito due to wear and tear, to clubs that focus on selling drinks, a much easier job to perform night after night with significantly less wear and tear. the girls working the medium level bars look down on el infinito, but the reality is the infinito divas are earning more money than the divas in the medium level bars. but, they're working a lot harder for it. it's still a difficult job in the drink bars, even at bars like casino, harem, etc...but at least it's sustainable for them. el infinito, long term, is simply not easily sustainable, and any girls that are there long term truly possess an ability that most of them do not have.

i have known girls who have sustained so much wear and tear on their bodies, and upon their psyche, that on doctors orders, they have taken what they intended only to be short vacations from it, just to rest up. but, they ultimately never return. the older they get the harder it is on them. as they approach 27, 28 , 29 years of age, they just can't tolerate it, and they realize that they can't live that lifestyle as a maturing adult, apart from the realization that they are no longer nubile hotties just turning 18 years old.

and, there is where the ilicit drugs come into play...many of them believing they will receive a boost that will keep them in the game, when all the while the drugs tear them down even further and faster. the wisest ones get out and stay out, or maybe they gravitate to the drink bars to live out the sunset of their lives into their mid-thirties.

well. living closer to monterrey has me going once every two weeks. i take the bus from the boarder town of miguel aleman which takes about two hours to get to monterrey. traveling to monterrey can be quite unnerving. the bus on this route passes through a small town called ciudad meir. i was completely blown away of what i saw passing through. several cars and trucks crashed with bullet holes, businesses and residential houses burned, and a city deserted with the exception of the mexican police and soldiers. with that being said; monterrey is still relatively safe. you can vastly increase your safety by speaking decent spanish. infinto is still a good place to go to. but please no one pay these girls more than $1, 350 for a salida. i was surprised that most of these girls were asking for more. they lose big when they refuse a salida, because most of the locals spend less than $300 pesos. most of the mexican locals sit up front from the stage to get a free grab of ass. which really annoys the girls. i was able to find a strong 9 for the base price of 1,350.

one other thing i noticed recently about infinito was the openess of drug use by the dancers and locals.

please stay safe fellow mongers. and remember. don't pay more than $1, 350 pesos for a salida at infinito!