Monterrey

[Albert Punter]

I have noticed some fresh meat in their website, which is not bad at all as there is now more choice for my taste.

...
By the way Albert, a rumor says half of lucesazules girls have gone rouge.
Seems they went to another agency.
When I get the link I'll post it here, see if they are the ones you know or just the agency getting rid of the excess fat.

[Albert Punter]

Well I cannot comment about relationship between services and security.
I can only tell you that I never personally bribed anyone.

Albert, come on: What do you think the services that places girls in your room do?

Bribe security.

Your tally includes the bribe.

[MonterreyDude]

My friend USB is going to kill me after this:

"Many Mexican Girls are very lazy. Many of them do not want to work for what you've agreed to pay them. Many are content to let you do all the work, simply contemplating the thought of where they're going to spend the money."

Specially since after commenting on his post, am meeting him for lunch.

Mexican girls are lazy, cause USB is not the kind of man that commands the presence of a demanding customer.
The girls know the moment USB lays foot on a club, what he wants, instead of being an enigma, he is marked as a "no customer".

They know he is looking for certain types of girls and USB will find them.
But the mayority do not like what USB wants.

That's why they act lazy, not willing to do their job, etc.

And reflecting on what BBond mantioned in his post, the best move to this kind of attitude is, like what he and me do when dealing with girls, just get rid of the girl and show them we know our stuff, not show the weaknesses that they can use against us.

Granted, the PSE and GFE are concepts that are truly subjective to each monger.

I find that if a girl, through her personality, and her approach to me, is able to convince me that she has a legitimate interest in seeing me, apart from just the money, then GFE, and certainly PSE, is just an almost natural outcome. And, I draw everyone's attention to this as well...Notice that I said that they are able to "convince" me of their sincerity, not that they truly possess it.

There are girls out there that exhibit those characteristics, and meet my kind of criteria. But, most of the girls that we draw upon have very hardened hearts, and they are not open to what I look for. So, the field narrows considerably because the pool of selection is full of really cold, really hardened contenders.

Then, when you heap on my superficial criteria that Amigomio accused me of, criteria I am also quite guilty of, then it just narrows the pool even further, making my actually finding them a relatively big job.

But, they're out there. Hence my criticism that, for me, there are very few that I would categorize as GFE. With respect to my trying to find PSE, I would say that I drop the "carino" criteria, and rely mostly on whether they "initiate."

Many Mexican Girls are very lazy. Many of them do not want to work for what you've agreed to pay them. Many are content to let you do all the work, simply contemplating the thought of where they're going to spend the money.

There are so many Mexican Girls that are totally clueless about what will make their sessions better, and an even greater number that could not care less about even wanting to make their sessions better. There are even more of them that are not even smart enough to recognize that you may be a very lucrative gravy train were they to invest some effort in the experience. They do not respect us as clients, and as literal cash cows. To their own detriment they lack the intelligence to recognize what they should be doing for their own good.

I believe this is due to the Mexican Girl culture, that it has them entering into agreements with almost a larcenous attitude. So, very often, more often than not, the result is girls that are simply going through the motions. Once the scam is complete to get you to agree to go on salida, any prospect for actual delivery of expectations is totally disregarded.

I would rather be sitting in my room alone when I mistakenly bring one of them back to my room, one that has turned on the charm in the bar, is clearly capable of the PSE, if not the GFE, only to abandon all sense of responsibility and obligation to deliver upon anticipations they created, only to reveal their true nature, almost like they have split personalities once you get them back to the hotel. There are a ton of them out there like this. Hence, my reason for having a prejudicial and critical assessment that so many Mexican Girls are a disappointment. Because, so many truly are...at least within the club scene.

I do think there may also be a huge distinction between the Escorts many of you see, versus the club girls I endeavor to find, and this may account for some of my prejudice. The escorts rely on their ability to "sell." Maybe they deliver the PSE more consistently because that's their business. Whereas, the club girls are engaged in a public persona designed to sell drinks and privados in the near term, which requires a certain amount of "personality" to achieve success. But, maybe if they're not selling drinks or privados, they just stupidly turn off the charm once they sink the hook. It's like once some of them "leave the stage," the public persona they use to sell drinks and privados, they abandon any awareness, or sense of self serving urgency, that the selling never really stops. Whereas, the Escorts know that the selling never really stops.

[MonterreyDude]

Bbond... "some believe me to be a total asshole"

Good for you.
Exactly the same thing I do when confronted with the same situation.

My "Don't tell me this is the first time you've noticed?" comment was written only in irony.
Of course I know you are fully qualified for stomping ho territories.

Amigomio, I have quite a reputation with the girls here in NL, some believe me to be a total asshole. Why? Before I bring a girl home I get some assurance from her considering what she is comfortable with, we get back to my place and she hesitates, she is fired, on the spot, NO COMPENSATION.
I brought a girl home one night, she promised the world, when we got her she wanted me to pay her first, then opted for me just to put money where she could see it, no foreplay, -0-, no BBBJ that she agreed to. She tried to put a condom, after agreeing to BBFS, on a 1/2 hard dick, then tried to shove a 1/2 hard dick in her. She was fired, NO COMPENSATION, get dressed get the fuck out, fired. She stood looking at me asking for her payment, I told her go and go now, if you won't deliver as we agreed, then get the fuck out and don't bother trying to negotiate a return.

A kicker, tho, I went back and found her sister, who told me she was not like that and I would have a good time, and boy did I.

[MonterreyDude]

I was going to recomend Azul too, but the gentleman is asking a lot.
Lesbian, all nighter with 2 of lucesazules' girls might carry a hefty tab.

That's why I asked Trainman for his budget for starters.

By the way Albert, a rumor says half of lucesazules girls have gone rouge.
Seems they went to another agency.
When I get the link I'll post it here, see if they are the ones you know or just the agency getting rid of the excess fat.

May I suggest you try Azul ?
Probably she is what you look for: available to everything you may imagine and not outrageously expensive.

[MonterreyDude]

Albert, come on: What do you think the services that places girls in your room do?

Bribe security.

Your tally includes the bribe.

I never, repeat never, bribed security. Just used a "discrete" way in.

Anyhow, some girls informed me they have entered this hotel easily from front door.

[Member #3453]

Granted, the PSE and GFE are concepts that are truly subjective to each monger.

I find that if a girl, through her personality, and her approach to me, is able to convince me that she has a legitimate interest in seeing me, apart from just the money, then GFE, and certainly PSE, is just an almost natural outcome. And, I draw everyone's attention to this as well...Notice that I said that they are able to "convince" me of their sincerity, not that they truly possess it.

There are girls out there that exhibit those characteristics, and meet my kind of criteria. But, most of the girls that we draw upon have very hardened hearts, and they are not open to what I look for. So, the field narrows considerably because the pool of selection is full of really cold, really hardened contenders.

Then, when you heap on my superficial criteria that Amigomio accused me of, criteria I am also quite guilty of, then it just narrows the pool even further, making my actually finding them a relatively big job.

But, they're out there. Hence my criticism that, for me, there are very few that I would categorize as GFE. With respect to my trying to find PSE, I would say that I drop the "carino" criteria, and rely mostly on whether they "initiate."

Many Mexican Girls are very lazy. Many of them do not want to work for what you've agreed to pay them. Many are content to let you do all the work, simply contemplating the thought of where they're going to spend the money.

There are so many Mexican Girls that are totally clueless about what will make their sessions better, and an even greater number that could not care less about even wanting to make their sessions better. There are even more of them that are not even smart enough to recognize that you may be a very lucrative gravy train were they to invest some effort in the experience. They do not respect us as clients, and as literal cash cows. To their own detriment they lack the intelligence to recognize what they should be doing for their own good.

I believe this is due to the Mexican Girl culture, that it has them entering into agreements with almost a larcenous attitude. So, very often, more often than not, the result is girls that are simply going through the motions. Once the scam is complete to get you to agree to go on salida, any prospect for actual delivery of expectations is totally disregarded.

I would rather be sitting in my room alone when I mistakenly bring one of them back to my room, one that has turned on the charm in the bar, is clearly capable of the PSE, if not the GFE, only to abandon all sense of responsibility and obligation to deliver upon anticipations they created, only to reveal their true nature, almost like they have split personalities once you get them back to the hotel. There are a ton of them out there like this. Hence, my reason for having a prejudicial and critical assessment that so many Mexican Girls are a disappointment. Because, so many truly are...at least within the club scene.

I do think there may also be a huge distinction between the Escorts many of you see, versus the club girls I endeavor to find, and this may account for some of my prejudice. The escorts rely on their ability to "sell." Maybe they deliver the PSE more consistently because that's their business. Whereas, the club girls are engaged in a public persona designed to sell drinks and privados in the near term, which requires a certain amount of "personality" to achieve success. But, maybe if they're not selling drinks or privados, they just stupidly turn off the charm once they sink the hook. It's like once some of them "leave the stage," the public persona they use to sell drinks and privados, they abandon any awareness, or sense of self serving urgency, that the selling never really stops. Whereas, the Escorts know that the selling never really stops.

What does PSE mean to you? I'm a happy camper on my trips across the border to the clubs because I get PSE all the damn time. Is it Trainman's list? For me it isn't. For me it all about banging a smoking hot babe where she's there to get me off. She's into positions that accentuate her body and allows you to see what is going on. So of course, the lights are on. In the rooms with porno on the TV, she suggests we try the maneuvers they're doing on TV. No love. No hugs and kisses and GFE stuff. She bangs the hell out of me and I leave the room with a big smile on my face. I'll repeat with the repeatable ones or seek out new ones. I'm rarely disappointed because that's what I go in looking for. A smokin' hottie won't give GFE. So you bang the hell out of her porno style.

My point is, like GFE, it seems there's a giant difference in how people define these things.

[Albert Punter]

May I suggest you try Azul ?
Probably she is what you look for: available to everything you may imagine and not outrageously expensive.

[Albert Punter]

I never, repeat never, bribed security. Just used a "discrete" way in.

Anyhow, some girls informed me they have entered this hotel easily from front door.

Albert, Girl Friendly hotels are the ones where you have NO problem at all to get girls in, not that the ones where you have to manage a way of how to aproach a securty guard and be able to bribe him.

Since you posted last time that you would not reveal openly how you got girls into the HIC, I must guess that means that you have to bribe security to get the girl in.
That, Albert, is not a GF hotel.

[Super Gato]

For me, PSE is just that. Exactly as you see in a porn flick. Turn her anyway you want, no complaint, stand her, sit her, screw in the shower. I am not in love with her, I am paying for sex, so give it to me anyway I want. Very few will do, what I consider, TRUE PSE, come in mouth, come on face, etc. But some will, and quite willingly.

We're on the same page. The true PSE chica will also get into fun hot positions for you. Stuff that is uncomfortable for her, but she knows her clientes like it. The leave the stripper shoes on and put one leg on her dressing table and bends over in front of a mirror is great. Except sometimes with those shoes the chaparitas are too tall for me unless I get on my toes. Without the shoes, she's too short.

Although a staple of porno, I'm not too down with come on face. I also could care less about anal. I know that makes me weird. CIM happens on occasion, but if she's really doing PSE I've shot my wad into the condom or on her ass or chest so the point is moot.

But more than anything to me is her attitude of "I'm going to bang the crap out of this guy" makes all the difference in the world.

[Bbond]

1. Bbond, of course the girls think they are above us.
Don't tell me this is the first time you've noticed?
But the word "think" is precisely where one must concentrate when dealing with them.

Amigomio, I have quite a reputation with the girls here in NL, some believe me to be a total asshole. Why? Before I bring a girl home I get some assurance from her considering what she is comfortable with, we get back to my place and she hesitates, she is fired, on the spot, NO COMPENSATION.
I brought a girl home one night, she promised the world, when we got her she wanted me to pay her first, then opted for me just to put money where she could see it, no foreplay, -0-, no BBBJ that she agreed to. She tried to put a condom, after agreeing to BBFS, on a 1/2 hard dick, then tried to shove a 1/2 hard dick in her. She was fired, NO COMPENSATION, get dressed get the fuck out, fired. She stood looking at me asking for her payment, I told her go and go now, if you won't deliver as we agreed, then get the fuck out and don't bother trying to negotiate a return.

A kicker, tho, I went back and found her sister, who told me she was not like that and I would have a good time, and boy did I.

[Bbond]

What does PSE mean to you?

For me, PSE is just that. Exactly as you see in a porn flick. Turn her anyway you want, no complaint, stand her, sit her, screw in the shower. I am not in love with her, I am paying for sex, so give it to me anyway I want. Very few will do, what I consider, TRUE PSE, come in mouth, come on face, etc. But some will, and quite willingly.

[Super Gato]

The Porn Star Experience is attainable, but it is such an unbelievable rarity in Mexico that disappointment can probably be anticipated in at least 90% of the encounters in Mexico without significant work being invested in advance.

Yes, it is attainable, and I have found that the best candidates, here in NL anyway, are not the best lookers hence don't get as many offers or opportunities to make money. The best looking PSE girl I have here I found in a bar when she was relatively new, and I had a reputation in the bar, know all wait staff etc, so she was comfortable with me from the start. The PSE did not come on the 1st night, took about 3 trips to room before she cut loose, and now I think she has as good of a time as I do.

What does PSE mean to you? I'm a happy camper on my trips across the border to the clubs because I get PSE all the damn time. Is it Trainman's list? For me it isn't. For me it all about banging a smoking hot babe where she's there to get me off. She's into positions that accentuate her body and allows you to see what is going on. So of course, the lights are on. In the rooms with porno on the TV, she suggests we try the maneuvers they're doing on TV. No love. No hugs and kisses and GFE stuff. She bangs the hell out of me and I leave the room with a big smile on my face. I'll repeat with the repeatable ones or seek out new ones. I'm rarely disappointed because that's what I go in looking for. A smokin' hottie won't give GFE. So you bang the hell out of her porno style.

My point is, like GFE, it seems there's a giant difference in how people define these things.

[MonterreyDude]

1. Bbond, of course the girls think they are above us.
Don't tell me this is the first time you've noticed?
But the word "think" is precisely where one must concentrate when dealing with them.

Thing is you must let it be known to them that you are the one that has the money in hand, ergo, you ARE above them and they are nothing more than ho's.
New generation of girls should know their place in the Mexican caste system if they are in the ho business.
In the mean time, I fairly pretend that I favor girls at some clubs, but I also let them know that I have other girls at other clubs that are willing to acomodate me.

A fair problem is the quantity of girls from where to choose from and our age.
Bbond, you are fairly limited in your hunting grounds of NL but I know you have your own batch of "favoritas", extremly good girls that favor you.

Age is #1 obstacle and damn if the new generation of girls favor the young and single clients over the older and more consistent customers.

Point in case: I never let them place themselves over me and USB has seen me openly shun girls that think they can be better than me.

2. Unspongebob, shame on you saying that PSE is almost nil in Monterrey.
In all your trips to Mexico you have constantly avoided all the girls that offer precisely that, PSE, cause you in your own way you have been looking for other kind of girls.
Hell!!! there are girls that are so PPSE (porn square), that I avoid them!!!
How many times have I pointed out girls to you that are wildcats and you just go "no, too tall, too thin, not a flaca morena, too thick, too much fair skinned, naw... don't like her".
Like you liked my former GF from Harem... funny cause she used to be a nice quiet kitten, no PSE with her, but opposite to my actual GF from Casino which is not of your tastes cause she's older and has big knockers (naturals) and happens to be a sex degenerate.

But let it be known that USB might not be fairly familiar to the PSE of Monterrey, which is totally OK with him cause he's looking for a different kind of girl.
And that is his prerrogative.


PS: What USB refers to as "amigovias" should be "amigomias" a possesive tense of my handle as in "my girlfriends".

Just read this again, and holy shit it hit hard, this is the truth that many think they are above. Believe it, because that's just how it is.

[MonterreyDude]

Trainman, what you are asking for IS expensive like hell in Monterrey.

You need to scale down a little, cause you are talking anything in the vecinity of 500 dlls up and even then, you might not get what you want.

Trainman, let's start from square one: What is your planned budget for a night like the one you have in mind.

By the way, totally forget about filming.
Girls are not dumb, they know they might end in the WWW.

Where should I go to pick up the girls to take back to my hotel.

Will the girls stay all night, and what prices do you have to pay per hour is USD

Will the girls do owo and facial finish

Is it possible to get 2 girls for all nighter back at Hotel, and is it easy to find 2 girls to perform full lesbian

What is the likelyhood of them allowing filming

Please any advise before I go would be a great help.

Many thanks

Trainman