Monterrey

[MonterreyDude]

one problem with my friend usb is that he believes everything the club girls tell him.

i never pay attention to them... i hear, but it comes in one side, and out the other.

besides, business is bad as long as it is bad to that specific girl or girl in turn.
that has always been their eternal lament.

come on! look at infinito expanding to a 3 ring circus, and hell, it is always full... and we are talking working class patrons here.

tangalay? partenon????

right now, it is business as always with it's regular cycles.
everytime that september comes, as it always do, it changes the face of the clubs.

come september, girls that worked from january thru summer, might have to change their working habits at the clubs or stop them at all due to their school agenda.

it has always been like that: september thru october-november, some clubs will feel the blunt of the girls leaving, none coming in and clients stop going cause they have to adapt their children school schedule.

besides a severe cataclysim happened en august that hurt the business horribly, worse than any crisis.

total smoking ban everywhere.

usb wasn't here when that happened. clubs like prestige, obsession that have an afternoon shift were deserted, devoid of customers.

night shift clubs like harem, pasarelas and casino had atendency drop 80%.

it's all in a state of recup, but this is weird because clubs like prestige, harem are not working class clubs, the customers are middle up caste, so they are not used to taking orders (not even a law) that orders them to forget doing what they consider an act of pleasure (yes smoking).
so they stop going in protest.

working class clubs, like partenon, tangalay, infinito, it's the opposite. their patrons are used to taking orders, so they obeyed the no smoking ban without a tweet.

anyway, and i have always told usb this, a club is good for him if he finds the girls he likes, which is wrong.
he never sees a club with objective taste, cause his tastes are different from the local patrons.

and crisis-wise usb didn't get the point.

this time in mexico, guys with money did not get hurt.
they still have the money.
there is still business in hold, waiting to pick up.
usb doesn't get this part cause it's the first time the us get caught in a crisis this big.
he sees it as "worldwide", yes, but started by the us. it didn't come out of the blue all over the world.

this time everyone got hurt in the us, even the rich and famous and it's going to leave some deep, deep scars in the american society.

look at some of the effects it has done: a highly publisized news bit where women are going to work at the cathouses of nevada cause either they have no jobs or they lost them.

the news carring this means that the spillover is so big that it's noticable.
yes, it's to obvious: american woman more than ever are turning into prostitution to get money to survive.

i remember the news bit, the girl says "i will be here for 6 months till things estabilize and then i'll look for normal work"

yeah, right... where have i heard that before?
here at the clubs and those girls are still working there.

again, in the us, poverty will be more noticable, and the definition of "rich" will change.
you will no longer admire the "true rich", you will scoff at them and blame them of the faliure of the us, making them isolate themselves from society and only move around with heavy armed escorts and bodyguards.

just wait a couple of years and you'll understand.

well, we disagree as to whether there is a worldwide financial crisis that effects mexico or not. truth is the financial "crisis" is worldwide, and does effect mexico.

if you're saying that the effect of the us financial crisis has an effect on the worldwide economy, then i agree with that. but, to say that mexico has no affects from the us crisis is not accurate.

i have conducted a highly scientific poll...a poll of bar girls, all of them harvard graduates, they graduating magnum .357 "cum loud hey," and they all tell me that they're experiencing the mexico "crisis" on their level. they all tell me how their business is way down. we all know that the majority of their business is derived from mexicanos, not norte americanos. so, according to each and every one of the girls i talk to, their business is noticeably down, and they are enduring the effects of their own crisis. i may have mis-characterized mexico's current economic decline as a "crisis" per se, but mexico is still feeling a powerful recession none the less.

so, if your real estate industry is still strong, then that's a bright spot. in my particular area of the us, the real estate prices for most properties are not down by huge amounts compared to florida, nevada, california, etc...so, not every part of the us is so economically devastated with respect to real estate values dropping as some other parts of the country.

interestingly, in the us, you can not build a home for significantly less than what you might have expected to pay for it several years ago. so, in my opinion, the real estate "crisis" is an over correction brought on by a confidence failure in the overall us economy. so, assuming that the real estate values are actually devalued right now, their true value is not currently reflected, just as their true value was not accurately reflected prior to the us economic crisis occurring.

and, lets face it, our us real estate values were hugely inflated before, and perhaps real estate values in mexico were not over the course of the last several years, thereby avoiding a huge adjustment of values in mexico, and avoiding a real estate crisis in mexico as compared to the usa.

each of our industries can be analyzed separately, and should be, in order to know the true extent of the "crisis" for each. but, in my own industry, there most certainly is a "crisis." and, mine is a huge part of the us economy, with many businesses are off as much as 50% compared to two years ago.

but to the disagreement at hand...when i talk to my mexico counterparts within my same industry, they tell me that they are experiencing as sharp a decline in revenues as their us counterparts. these are mexican nationals i'm dealing with, residents of monterrey, with businesses that are based in mexico, mostly selling to other mexican based businesses, owned in large part by mexicanos.

the bright spot for visitors from the usa is that we get a lot more mexican pesos for our us dollars these days. this seemed to coincidentally occur just during the last year or so, and coincidentally, just as the decline in economic activity began, during the "crisis," which amigomio says does not exist in mexico. that suggests that there is something financial going on in mexico compared to two years ago, thankfully. better to be in it together, yes? :-)

in china, literally, by far the most wildly expanding economy in the world, energy consumption is significantly down, and the chinese are feeling huge declines in economic activity within their manufacturing sector.

so, see, there is a worldwide financial crisis, and it does effect everyone, including mexico.

now, granted, these effects may be the cause of the crooked bastards in the us banking industry fleecing not only the people of the us but also economic investors worldwide, and the us governments complicit behavior over the last few years in not properly regulating what i perceive as illegal and unethical activities perpetrated by those sobs. but, regardless of who caused it, it still has a huge effect on the entire worldwide economy.

once that domino starts to fall, the entire world falls with it, including mexico. actually, especially mexico, which is so closely tied to the us economy.

just as obama, ,whose policies i am for the most part significantly opposed to concerning fiscal responsibility, said in a speech to the united nations recently..."other nations of the world can no longer castigate the u.s. as a go-it-alone bully while still demanding it cure all ills." probably one of the the only things i agree with him on.

it is always the fault of the usa, but the usa is the first country every other country calls upon for help in times of trouble, and gets it. the usa never gets the credit for what good it does do, good that far out weighs the negative. the usa only gets the blame for causing all the world's problems, or not doing even more than it already does, while already exceeding every other nations efforts by a huge margin, every time, all the while as other countries are virtually silent or hiding from their responsibilities. the world's only superpower will always be the easiest target. i am curious were the country of china to assume that similar distinction some day, whether the countries of the world would rely so heavily upon it for help, or whether fear would replace the animosity of attitudes endured by the usa from other countries for its unappreciated benevolence these days.

see, amigomio and i disagree all the time. but, people can remain friends and disagree. disagreement is not disrespect.

[Member #3453]

well, we disagree as to whether there is a worldwide financial crisis that effects mexico or not. truth is the financial "crisis" is worldwide, and does effect mexico.

if you're saying that the effect of the us financial crisis has an effect on the worldwide economy, then i agree with that. but, to say that mexico has no affects from the us crisis is not accurate.

i have conducted a highly scientific poll...a poll of bar girls, all of them harvard graduates, they graduating magnum .357 "cum loud hey," and they all tell me that they're experiencing the mexico "crisis" on their level. they all tell me how their business is way down. we all know that the majority of their business is derived from mexicanos, not norte americanos. so, according to each and every one of the girls i talk to, their business is noticeably down, and they are enduring the effects of their own crisis. i may have mis-characterized mexico's current economic decline as a "crisis" per se, but mexico is still feeling a powerful recession none the less.

so, if your real estate industry is still strong, then that's a bright spot. in my particular area of the us, the real estate prices for most properties are not down by huge amounts compared to florida, nevada, california, etc...so, not every part of the us is so economically devastated with respect to real estate values dropping as some other parts of the country.

interestingly, in the us, you can not build a home for significantly less than what you might have expected to pay for it several years ago. so, in my opinion, the real estate "crisis" is an over correction brought on by a confidence failure in the overall us economy. so, assuming that the real estate values are actually devalued right now, their true value is not currently reflected, just as their true value was not accurately reflected prior to the us economic crisis occurring.

and, lets face it, our us real estate values were hugely inflated before, and perhaps real estate values in mexico were not over the course of the last several years, thereby avoiding a huge adjustment of values in mexico, and avoiding a real estate crisis in mexico as compared to the usa.

each of our industries can be analyzed separately, and should be, in order to know the true extent of the "crisis" for each. but, in my own industry, there most certainly is a "crisis." and, mine is a huge part of the us economy, with many businesses are off as much as 50% compared to two years ago.

but to the disagreement at hand...when i talk to my mexico counterparts within my same industry, they tell me that they are experiencing as sharp a decline in revenues as their us counterparts. these are mexican nationals i'm dealing with, residents of monterrey, with businesses that are based in mexico, mostly selling to other mexican based businesses, owned in large part by mexicanos.

the bright spot for visitors from the usa is that we get a lot more mexican pesos for our us dollars these days. this seemed to coincidentally occur just during the last year or so, and coincidentally, just as the decline in economic activity began, during the "crisis," which amigomio says does not exist in mexico. that suggests that there is something financial going on in mexico compared to two years ago, thankfully. better to be in it together, yes? :-)

in china, literally, by far the most wildly expanding economy in the world, energy consumption is significantly down, and the chinese are feeling huge declines in economic activity within their manufacturing sector.

so, see, there is a worldwide financial crisis, and it does effect everyone, including mexico.

now, granted, these effects may be the cause of the crooked bastards in the us banking industry fleecing not only the people of the us but also economic investors worldwide, and the us governments complicit behavior over the last few years in not properly regulating what i perceive as illegal and unethical activities perpetrated by those sobs. but, regardless of who caused it, it still has a huge effect on the entire worldwide economy.

once that domino starts to fall, the entire world falls with it, including mexico. actually, especially mexico, which is so closely tied to the us economy.

just as obama, ,whose policies i am for the most part significantly opposed to concerning fiscal responsibility, said in a speech to the united nations recently..."other nations of the world can no longer castigate the u.s. as a go-it-alone bully while still demanding it cure all ills." probably one of the the only things i agree with him on.

it is always the fault of the usa, but the usa is the first country every other country calls upon for help in times of trouble, and gets it. the usa never gets the credit for what good it does do, good that far out weighs the negative. the usa only gets the blame for causing all the world's problems, or not doing even more than it already does, while already exceeding every other nations efforts by a huge margin, every time, all the while as other countries are virtually silent or hiding from their responsibilities. the world's only superpower will always be the easiest target. i am curious were the country of china to assume that similar distinction some day, whether the countries of the world would rely so heavily upon it for help, or whether fear would replace the animosity of attitudes endured by the usa from other countries for its unappreciated benevolence these days.

see, amigomio and i disagree all the time. but, people can remain friends and disagree. disagreement is not disrespect.

usb says: "a financial crisis".

let me point out that this crisis is not ours.
it does not originate within mexican boundaries.

it is the us of a 100%

if someone is really going to get the blunt of crisis is the us, not us.

we were screwed long time ago back in 1994 when we had our credit bubble blow on us.

and we came out of that one pretty clean. you know why? because real estate does not go down in mexico.
crisis or no crisis it never goes down, so the value just keeps going up.

even when talking of homes and buldings that might be 10, 20 years old.

so this time the us is getting the short end of the stick, not us.

of course many workers have lost their jobs here in mexico, but last time the companies just shut down and dissapeared.
right now they are there, waiting to jump into the coat tails when the us starts to go up again.
like for example, gm is expanding operations thanks to the "clunkers" rebate in the us.
car sales are better over there, jobs are starting to go up in mexico.

in the meanwhile, the clubs are going full steam ahead.
we as regular folk are still going to the us for shopping.
laredo, the rio grande valley, specially mcallen, texas and south padre island would be dead if not for us during this crisis even with a 20% depreciation of the peso vs the dollar.

but no usb, sorry to tell you, no financial crisis in mexico this time around.

blame the us for your troubles... yeah, us too, we are blaming the us for our problems.

[MonterreyDude]

USB says: "a financial crisis".

Let me point out that this crisis is not ours.
It does not originate within Mexican boundaries.

It is the US of A 100%

If someone is really going to get the blunt of crisis is the US, not us.

We were screwed long time ago back in 1994 when we had our credit bubble blow on us.

And we came out of that one pretty clean. You know why? Because real estate does NOT go down in Mexico.
Crisis or no crisis it never goes down, so the value just keeps going up.

Even when talking of homes and buldings that might be 10, 20 years old.

So this time the US is getting the short end of the stick, not us.

Of course many workers have lost their jobs here in Mexico, but last time the companies just shut down and dissapeared.
Right now they are there, waiting to jump into the coat tails when the US starts to go up again.
Like for example, GM is expanding operations thanks to the "clunkers" rebate in the US.
Car sales are better over there, jobs are starting to go up in Mexico.

In the meanwhile, the clubs are going full steam ahead.
We as regular folk are still going to the US for shopping.
Laredo, The Rio Grande Valley, specially McAllen, Texas and South Padre Island would be dead if not for us during this crisis even with a 20% depreciation of the Peso Vs the Dollar.

But no USB, sorry to tell you, no financial crisis in Mexico this time around.

Blame the US for your troubles... yeah, us too, we are blaming the US for our problems.

Yeah, I was shocked recently to hear that Bahamas is charging 1000 pesos for a bar fine...MUST I reiterate....BAHAMAS! You add another 1000 pesos for the girl, and your getting up there.

And, because of the house increasing the bar fines lately, it seems that the girls are sometimes feeling the pinch, offering their services at a slightly lower rate to make up for the increase in bar fine, they realizing that they will never get "out" if they don't balance out the damages somehow.

And, lets not forget that services are also offered on-site at most of the clubs. I remember asking recently at Pasarelas, and being told it was something like 850 pesos for a half hour of full service there. 850 PESOS? For Pasarelas??? Truth is, several places have recently quoted on site services to me, and I just tune them out after hearing the numbers...completely forgetting even what was specifically said so as not to clutter my mind with such drivel.

And get this, when a financial "crisis" strikes, the clubs do not seem to adopt a business model of lowering prices to attract more paying clients, thereby increasing cash flow. No, the clubs have an opposite strategy, one that I have never quite been able to understand, but they do it anyway. That's right, they raise the prices with this delusional expectation that they will make up profitability on what paying clients they do still have coming in by fleecing as many as will tolerate it.

Personally, it may be the case that prices are going down in the MPs...I don't know. I swore them off a long time ago. But, generally speaking, I am seeing a slight trend up, not down, with respect to salida costs in the strip clubs, and it mostly has to do with bar fine costs. But, even as there are some girls coming off price to make up the difference, there are just as many quoting higher prices than one might expect to pay just two years ago.

So, if you take the strip clubs out of the mix, and all you have left are the MPs, whether they be high end, low end, mid level...doesn't matter. Believe me, compared to the notorious venues of the World, they are a huge disappointment on ALL FRONTS! Quality of selection, lack of todo la noche, bait and switch tactics, time being cut short, up-sell extortionistic tactics, high price in comparison for literally a 20th of the time, etc...

Believe me, anybody that has frequented the notorious venues of the World would be totally and completely appalled being limited to only the services found in the MPs of Monterrey, and the strip clubs are not much better in comparison. We that frequent Monterrey do so because of logistics, primarily. Some is better than none, and NONE is the USA. So...

Not trying to start a fight, but anybody that's been around will tell you the same thing. So, when guys indicate that they are coming to Monterrey, and they have knowledge of the more notorious venues, I don't want them pointing a finger at my post and thinking that I was full of BS in recommending they're going to be having a great time in comparison to what they're used to.

It simply does not compare, and I would feel disingenuous in recommending to them otherwise. I prefer to set them up for realistic expectations so they can come and enjoy what Monterrey does have to offer without feeling they were led down some prim rose path by my comments.

[Member #3453]

Yeah, I was shocked recently to hear that Bahamas is charging 1000 pesos for a bar fine...MUST I reiterate....BAHAMAS! You add another 1000 pesos for the girl, and your getting up there.

And, because of the house increasing the bar fines lately, it seems that the girls are sometimes feeling the pinch, offering their services at a slightly lower rate to make up for the increase in bar fine, they realizing that they will never get "out" if they don't balance out the damages somehow.

And, lets not forget that services are also offered on-site at most of the clubs. I remember asking recently at Pasarelas, and being told it was something like 850 pesos for a half hour of full service there. 850 PESOS? For Pasarelas??? Truth is, several places have recently quoted on site services to me, and I just tune them out after hearing the numbers...completely forgetting even what was specifically said so as not to clutter my mind with such drivel.

And get this, when a financial "crisis" strikes, the clubs do not seem to adopt a business model of lowering prices to attract more paying clients, thereby increasing cash flow. No, the clubs have an opposite strategy, one that I have never quite been able to understand, but they do it anyway. That's right, they raise the prices with this delusional expectation that they will make up profitability on what paying clients they do still have coming in by fleecing as many as will tolerate it.

Personally, it may be the case that prices are going down in the MPs...I don't know. I swore them off a long time ago. But, generally speaking, I am seeing a slight trend up, not down, with respect to salida costs in the strip clubs, and it mostly has to do with bar fine costs. But, even as there are some girls coming off price to make up the difference, there are just as many quoting higher prices than one might expect to pay just two years ago.

So, if you take the strip clubs out of the mix, and all you have left are the MPs, whether they be high end, low end, mid level...doesn't matter. Believe me, compared to the notorious venues of the World, they are a huge disappointment on ALL FRONTS! Quality of selection, lack of todo la noche, bait and switch tactics, time being cut short, up-sell extortionistic tactics, high price in comparison for literally a 20th of the time, etc...

Believe me, anybody that has frequented the notorious venues of the World would be totally and completely appalled being limited to only the services found in the MPs of Monterrey, and the strip clubs are not much better in comparison. We that frequent Monterrey do so because of logistics, primarily. Some is better than none, and NONE is the USA. So...

Not trying to start a fight, but anybody that's been around will tell you the same thing. So, when guys indicate that they are coming to Monterrey, and they have knowledge of the more notorious venues, I don't want them pointing a finger at my post and thinking that I was full of BS in recommending they're going to be having a great time in comparison to what they're used to.

It simply does not compare, and I would feel disingenuous in recommending to them otherwise. I prefer to set them up for realistic expectations so they can come and enjoy what Monterrey does have to offer without feeling they were led down some prim rose path by my comments.

I think 850 pesos is low compared to other clubs.

There are clubs that quote higher salida rates, like Harem is now quoting 1000 pesos as a barfine.

And Poisson is quoting 2000 pesos barfine.

They do this, of course, so everything is done the in-call way so the House gets all the money.

And yes, MPs do not offer out-calls, but there are exceptions of high class "casa de citas" like Misses and Models that offer both in-call and out-call.
But we are talking here 1,500-2000 pesos just for one hour, in-call.

Out-call is another story.

[MonterreyDude]

I think 850 pesos is low compared to other clubs.

There are clubs that quote higher salida rates, like Harem is now quoting 1000 pesos as a barfine.

And Poisson is quoting 2000 pesos barfine.

They do this, of course, so everything is done the in-call way so the House gets all the money.

And yes, MPs do not offer out-calls, but there are exceptions of high class "casa de citas" like Misses and Models that offer both in-call and out-call.
But we are talking here 1,500-2000 pesos just for one hour, in-call.

Out-call is another story.

With respect to Strip Clubs...the overall average cost is set not only by the individual girls, but also by the clubs. The salida costs vary anywhere from 350 pesos to 850 pesos for 1.5 - 2 hours. The salida prices can escalate even higher if you have GRINGO written across your forehead, and permit the bar to get away with charging you more.

Most girls charge between 600 pesos and 2000 pesos, depending on the girl and depending on her own self perceived worth. Truth is, I have had girls that cost me as little as 500 pesos that met me after their shifts, no bar fine, that were significantly more charming and enjoyable than the ones that cost 2000 pesos, and had a 1000 peso bar fine.

There are some girls that quote 5000 pesos. Personally, I wouldn't pay 5000 pesos to see Winged Pegasus. But, some girls think they're the sixth wonder of the world. Anyway, we're talking averages here, so...

The main difference in cost between the cost of girls in strip clubs versus MPs, is that you do not pay bar fines at MPs. The extra 350 to 850 pesos is not assessed at an MP like it is at the strip club in order to compensate the bar for opportunity cost lost when you take their employee out of commission for 1.5-2 hours. In addition, the cost is less because the time spent is typically less, between 45 minutes to one hour, tops, in an MP, versus 1.5-2 hours in a strip club salida.

As for todo la noche, it is almost unheard of on the Strip Club level, and never heard of on the MP level. The reality is, if you pay a salida to the bar, the bar demands that the girl return in the prescribed time. Most girls adhere to the prescribed time because their bosses demand it. So, even if a girl wanted to stay todo la noche, the likelihood is very remote that they would do so, because the boss says "be back here in no more than 2 hours or else."

If a girl stays todo la noche, you have caught her at the end of her shift, and she is putting the financial icing on the cake after having earned her full salary in the bar for the night, and she is off the clock.

However, it's very rare for a girl to stay todo la noche in Monterrey also because so many of them have kids. Most want to cut out asap so they can return home to their children. 95% of them will hold you to 2 hours even if you happened to meet them after their shift.

Now, if you can, through your own individual effort, convince her to stay longer, assuming you want her to stay longer, then your ahead, or not. Frankly, I know just as many guys that want them to leave sooner than later.

I've had them stay all night for 500 pesos, plus a 350 peso bar fine. I've had them leave with me after their shifts in the bar, stay todo la noche, and no bar fine. I've had them stay for 2 hours, 350 pesos for the bar fine, and 1000 pesos for the girl. If you live in or frequent Monterrey, you can do better if the stars are all in alignment.

However, for the one-time or infrequent visitor, 1350 pesos is the average cost for girl + bar fine, if you take them out of one of the lower end bars. Prices escalate from there in the medium to higher priced bars, mostly because the bar fine itself is higher.

Most girls in Monterrey will go for 1000 pesos for 2 hours regardless of whether they work in a lower end or medium level bar, and most girls working in the higher end bars are quite expensive in comparison, some charging 2000-3000 pesos. And, some maniacs are actually quoting as high as 5000 pesos.

In the MPs, the price is fixed, and there is no expertise at negotiation, no charm required whatsoever to achieve a better price. If they're offering an improved price, they're offering it to everybody. If you are a one-time or infrequent visitor to the MPs, it's more likely that you will be up-charged for anything and everything they can think of, removal of tops, kissing, BBBJ, etc...

In contrast, I have never been extorted with up charges by a strip club girl on salida, not even the worst of the lot.

[Member #3453]

With respect to Strip Clubs...the overall average cost is set not only by the individual girls, but also by the clubs. The salida costs vary anywhere from 350 pesos to 850 pesos for 1.5 - 2 hours. The salida prices can escalate even higher if you have GRINGO written across your forehead, and permit the bar to get away with charging you more.

Most girls charge between 600 pesos and 2000 pesos, depending on the girl and depending on her own self perceived worth. Truth is, I have had girls that cost me as little as 500 pesos that met me after their shifts, no bar fine, that were significantly more charming and enjoyable than the ones that cost 2000 pesos, and had a 1000 peso bar fine.

There are some girls that quote 5000 pesos. Personally, I wouldn't pay 5000 pesos to see Winged Pegasus. But, some girls think they're the sixth wonder of the world. Anyway, we're talking averages here, so...

The main difference in cost between the cost of girls in strip clubs versus MPs, is that you do not pay bar fines at MPs. The extra 350 to 850 pesos is not assessed at an MP like it is at the strip club in order to compensate the bar for opportunity cost lost when you take their employee out of commission for 1.5-2 hours. In addition, the cost is less because the time spent is typically less, between 45 minutes to one hour, tops, in an MP, versus 1.5-2 hours in a strip club salida.

As for todo la noche, it is almost unheard of on the Strip Club level, and never heard of on the MP level. The reality is, if you pay a salida to the bar, the bar demands that the girl return in the prescribed time. Most girls adhere to the prescribed time because their bosses demand it. So, even if a girl wanted to stay todo la noche, the likelihood is very remote that they would do so, because the boss says "be back here in no more than 2 hours or else."

If a girl stays todo la noche, you have caught her at the end of her shift, and she is putting the financial icing on the cake after having earned her full salary in the bar for the night, and she is off the clock.

However, it's very rare for a girl to stay todo la noche in Monterrey also because so many of them have kids. Most want to cut out asap so they can return home to their children. 95% of them will hold you to 2 hours even if you happened to meet them after their shift.

Now, if you can, through your own individual effort, convince her to stay longer, assuming you want her to stay longer, then your ahead, or not. Frankly, I know just as many guys that want them to leave sooner than later.

I've had them stay all night for 500 pesos, plus a 350 peso bar fine. I've had them leave with me after their shifts in the bar, stay todo la noche, and no bar fine. I've had them stay for 2 hours, 350 pesos for the bar fine, and 1000 pesos for the girl. If you live in or frequent Monterrey, you can do better if the stars are all in alignment.

However, for the one-time or infrequent visitor, 1350 pesos is the average cost for girl + bar fine, if you take them out of one of the lower end bars. Prices escalate from there in the medium to higher priced bars, mostly because the bar fine itself is higher.

Most girls in Monterrey will go for 1000 pesos for 2 hours regardless of whether they work in a lower end or medium level bar, and most girls working in the higher end bars are quite expensive in comparison, some charging 2000-3000 pesos. And, some maniacs are actually quoting as high as 5000 pesos.

In the MPs, the price is fixed, and there is no expertise at negotiation, no charm required whatsoever to achieve a better price. If they're offering an improved price, they're offering it to everybody. If you are a one-time or infrequent visitor to the MPs, it's more likely that you will be up-charged for anything and everything they can think of, removal of tops, kissing, BBBJ, etc...

In contrast, I have never been extorted with up charges by a strip club girl on salida, not even the worst of the lot.

[Member #3453]

Posting here opens you up to differing opinions. If you write something, expect to be commented upon. If you disagree with the rebuttal, than how about articulating your points of view with intelligent, well developed reasoning, and leave out the insults. And, by the way, before I am accused of targeting any one individual, the word "you" is being utilized in the general sense.

Any of us that can not read politely written, differing points of view, without responding with insults, should just refrain from commenting to begin with. It is a violation of the rules to insult others, and there should be swift and immediate consequences. If you have a different point of view, or you want to express your disagreement, then fine. But, why all the personal attacks?

So, to comment further...

Amigomio is not raining on anyone's parade concerning the definition of todo la noche. He merely pointed out that distinction to characterize the difference between Colombia, where todo la noche is todo la noche, and where one of the other poster's has significant experience, versus Monterrey.

I agree with Amigomio's goal, to help clarify what to expect within the context of a visitor's return to Monterrey. Girls DO NOT, as a general practice, offer todo la noche in Monterrey, period, certainly not for 1000 pesos. Where's the harm in pointing out that distinction?

The bottom line is, we are free to comment, and will do so when commentary is made on the site, regardless of who is making the commentary, responding with our opinions, and offering our perspectives, right along with everybody else.

We are not, ourselves, free to restrict the commentary of others, not even if we ourselves request that someone not comment on our posts. That's simply not the way it works.

If someone has a justifiable grievance, then it is addressable with Jackson. And, nobody, other than Jackson himself, will restrict us from making polite commentary in accordance with the published rules of this site, and even he, Jackson, is ethically bound by his own rules of engagement.

And, if any of us should get out of line with our comments, that person deserves to pay the ultimate price, and should, as some previously have. For my part, I resolve to make polite comments, and to offer my opinions in accordance with the rules of the site. But, they will always be comments based on all the postings of all the other contributors here.

If not, what good is it, other than to be reading one dominant individual's means by which to grandstand one and only one dictatorial opinion. And, so as not to be wrongfully and mistakenly accused of targeting anyone in particular, I am referring to "one dominant individual" in the theoretical, generic sense, and not as a specific reference to any one person.

Domination is not defined as the number, length, or range of comments offered. No, that is "participation." Domination is a blatant desire to restrict the commentary of others, and to rule the bandwidth through intimidation, insults, back biting, etc..., and to have little tolerance for the differing commentary or participation from others.

We need diversity of opinion, and a full range of commentary to glean the very best knowledge and range of perspective from the site that we can. Plus, it's more entertaining, and significantly more interesting, if others feel that they can post here unmolested as long as they make polite commentary.

[Precocious One]

Sorry for the late report but I was busy with Girlfriend.

I spend 1 day in Monterrey before going to see my regular girl in Reynosa, wake Up @ 11:00 am and went to the MP Signore, this is a real chip place and I spend 150 pesos for full service and and extra 100 for a bbbj.

Later the same day went to the MP Romanos and have a full service with a girl name Monserrrat, She was lactating and I have real fun sucking up her jugs, the total cost was 600 pesos which is not bad comparing with the prices I found in Poza Rica.

After taking supper went to the SC Infinito.I was real impress with the place. It has change a lot after my visit 2 years ago. I got a full service upstairs in the small booth for 300 pesos, I don't remember the name of the girl.

After a couple beers I invite a girl to sit with me and I ask her about a TLN deal. She charge 1350 pesos 350 for the club and 1000 for her. Take her to my room and spend the rest of the night with Her. She stays @ 3.00 hrs and it was a real GF service. She was pregnant in an early stage and she was really horny or a real good actress. I reserve her name for myself but if you go this Infinito SC you will find a lot of girls to choose from.

Zoom

"Take her to my room and spend the rest of the night with Her. She stays @ 3.00 hrs"

Now I don't know if Zoom 21's girl left at 3:00 AM or she spent the rest of the night with him as the post really is somewhat unintelligible and ambiguous. Maybe he can elaborate. What I do know is that he believed that he received GFE and possibly a TLN and was happy with his experience here in Monterrey.

Why are you trying to rain on his parade, Amigomio?

Now please, leave me alone.

I don't like you.

I want nothing to do with you.

Go away.

[Precocious One]

Excuse me Precocious.

Are you ordering me something?

Cause this is not your Forum either.

And I was pointing you out that 3 hours is not a Toda la Noche.

And this is not from the "Mexican" perspective of Monterrey.
This is from the UNIVERSAL perspective that a Toda la Noche involves the girl staying with the monger all night, going to sleep with him, waking up after sun break, and maybe after a morning quickie, leave.

A Toda la Noche will range for any monger, be it in the "Mexican" perspective, "American" or "European", in the 3000 - 5000 pesos, IF you can find it.
Cause it's HARD to get it in Monterrey.

Toda la Noche is what El Cabron has had, Mr L, Unspongebob, and several other mongers I have met via this forum. And their's is the "Amercian" perspective of Toda la Noche.

Not mine.

Can you please clarify what an "Amercian" is?

Is that like a guy who has to pay more for sex than everyone else?

[MonterreyDude]

Excuse me Precocious.

Are you ordering me something?

Cause this is not your Forum either.

And I was pointing you out that 3 hours is not a Toda la Noche.

And this is not from the "Mexican" perspective of Monterrey.
This is from the UNIVERSAL perspective that a Toda la Noche involves the girl staying with the monger all night, going to sleep with him, waking up after sun break, and maybe after a morning quickie, leave.

A Toda la Noche will range for any monger, be it in the "Mexican" perspective, "American" or "European", in the 3000 - 5000 pesos, IF you can find it.
Cause it's HARD to get it in Monterrey.

Toda la Noche is what El Cabron has had, Mr L, Unspongebob, and several other mongers I have met via this forum. And their's is the "Amercian" perspective of Toda la Noche.

Not mine.

Hello Amigomio,

This is the fourth time that I am asking you to not comment on my posts. I think that it is best for the Monterrey forum that you continue to give your "Mexican" perspective of Monterrey and I will continue to give my "American" perspective of Monterrey without interaction. Others that read our posts can then come up with their own conclusions. I really want nothing to do with you.

Thanks.

PS

By the way, I am not doubting the fact that you need to pay $100($1335 pesos at todays exchange rate) for one hour of sex(post #1788 of this same thread). And that's unfortunate for you as some of us here pay far less. I believe that it is quite possible that there may be less "demand" for certain guys from the "supply" here in Monterrey and that is why some guys such as yourself need to pay more. That truly is unfortunate but it is what it is.

From my personal experience and what I read here, normal guys such as myself and recent visitors Zoom 21 and Marius 67 don't seem to have a problem with the supply of available women that provide GFE here in Monterrey for a reasonable price($700 pesos, or $52.00 US at current exchange, for anywhere from 40 minutes to two hours).

And, fortunately for us, we do not have to pay $1335 pesos for an average of one hour of sex.

[Precocious One]

Precociuos, if you read Zoom's post, it wasn't exactly a TLN.

It was 3 hours.

That's hardly a TLN.

Hello Amigomio,

This is the fourth time that I am asking you to not comment on my posts. I think that it is best for the Monterrey forum that you continue to give your "Mexican" perspective of Monterrey and I will continue to give my "American" perspective of Monterrey without us having to interact. Others that read our posts can then come up with their own conclusions. I really want nothing to do with you.

Thanks.

PS

By the way, I am not doubting the fact that you need to pay $100.00($1335 pesos at today's exchange rate) for one hour of sex(post #1788 of this same thread). And that's unfortunate for you as some of us here pay far less. I believe that it is quite possible that there may be less "demand" for certain guys from the "supply" here in Monterrey and that is why some guys such as yourself need to pay more for sex. That truly is unfortunate but it is what it is.

From my personal experience and what I have read here, normal guys such as myself and recent visitors Zoom 21 and Marius 67 don't seem to have a problem with the supply of available women that provide GFE here in Monterrey for a reasonable price($700 pesos, $52.00 US at current exchange, for anywhere from 40 minutes to two hours).

And, fortunately for us, we do not have to pay $1335 pesos for an average of one hour of sex.

[Member #3453]

Very well put...While the level of violent crime, mostly drug related, has escalated considerably over the last ten years. I am seemingly still able to walk the streets at night to this day, and I have never, EVER been accosted. I am continually warned by natives of Monterrey, girls, waiters, etc..to be very careful doing so. They all seem to sincerely believe we are taking our safety into our own hands by walking at night between the clubs in El Centro.

But, the reality is, I have walked those streets, some of them admittedly dark and spooky at times, but never had a feeling that anybody I might randomly come across under those circumstances had any ill intentions whatsoever toward me. I am, being a Gringo, probably about twice the size of most Mexicanos...so maybe that helps. But, literally, I have come across small groups of men who would be a much more formidable opposition in numbers, but I have never felt threatened by them, never in the least. Try going to a place like RIO and walking the dark streets at night...even with a gun!

And, another good thing...the Police in El Centro are everywhere. I've heard said that if you walk in the Areas of Apodaca at night, it is very dangerous. So, maybe they just have El Centro under control, and some of the other areas of Monterrey, where we don't typically frequent, there are the petty and violent crime levels that motivate the natives to warn us accordingly.

The other thing that I really like about Monterrey is the health checks on the girls working in the clubs and MPs. Regardless of the precautions that all should be taking with the girls, it's nice to know there's another line of defense.

In the notorious venues of the World, that's not really the case, and you'll find a much higher incidents of AIDS, and other sexually transmitted diseases. Now, if you're careful with your own precautions, then you have that covered. But, frankly, no matter how careful we are, whom among us would really choose to knowingly pay attention to a diseased girl? The chances of you doing so are higher in the notorious venues than in Monterrey, although some do slip through the cracks in Monterrey.

I have personally known several girls that have been found to have VD on the occasion of their health check, and they were fired from their jobs in the strip clubs. And, in their world, once they are fired from their jobs for having been found diseased, they can NEVER obtain a permit to work in the "industry" again...unless they do so under false pretenses of course.

In comparing the proximity of the clubs, in most of the notorious venues of the World, the clubs are literally stacked on top of each other, even more easily accessible than Monterrey. Comparatively, the Monterrey venue is spread out and much more difficult to navigate.

The notorious venues are actually like a mongering Disney Land. It's a total "no brainer." In Monterrey, you have to kind of know where to go (ie: Amigomio's map, buddies on the ground, this forum, PM's of advice, etc).

In the notorious venues, you can literally just show up, know nothing, and aimlessly stumble upon Meca without so much as any pre-preparation, and that includes hotel availability, etc...Compared to Monterrey, in the notorious venues, you can't help but fall into nirvana blindfolded.

See, we forget just how experienced we truly are with respect to Monterrey, and we take for granted all of the logistic advice at our fingertips through the forums. I think it's a comparatively difficult venue to navigate when comparing the notorious venues. I remember first arriving in Monterrey ten years ago, and were it not for Amigomio, his map, this forum, etc..., I would have been totally lost.

And, IMO, that is what I value these forums for, not as recommendations on girls, or revelations about the specific number of shots on goal, etc...but, for logistical recommendations in finding specifically where one can find the kind of experience one is looking for. I don't need to know the specifics of member's exploits. I need to know the overall conclusions about clubs, MPs, logistic data, etc...

If reports focus on logistics and upon the overall ratings of places concerning selection, types of girls, cost, strategy, etc...then that's what I'm looking for with respect to actually researching a venue. I can make my own decisions about specific girls once I get there. I pay no attention to specific recommendations about girls because it's always a matter of individual preferences anyway.

I realize, of course, that my own preferences are not what some may enjoy the forums for. I'm just saying that for me, it's not that I am not amused or entertained by some of the "shots on goal" stories, etc..., but, because of my time in the game, I'm more interested in the logistics and the strategy related posts.

In my opinion, for example, strategy is a much more important element to success in Monterrey, concerning my own personal enjoyment, than would be necessary in the notorious venues. I believe this is the case for the reasons previously articulated here about supply and demand, impoverished need versus mere wants, etc...

So, there we go...this forum has been so dead lately. This is food for thought and commentary. I invite all to respond. Lets get it going again. Winter is coming and we're gonna need something to entertain us when the weather turns cold.

Uno you started this so I'll add to it. You are correct about Monterrey being expensive to get to, the women are not bargains, and GFE is hard to find. But the things that Monterrey has going for it are the cabs are safe, which is rare, the areas of town where we go are safe to walk in. If you plan ahead the rooms are very reasonable. My favorite thing is the location of all those clubs within such a short distance of each other.

I'm sure there are plenty of venues all over the world that would be great to explore and eventually I will. But Monterrey is quick to get to, not prohibitively expensive, and hasn't disappointed me yet.

To sum it up, it may not be cheap, may not be the best, but it damn sure is user friendly.

[Member #3453]

Yes, and in the notorious venues, TLN is defined as girls following you around, turning true TLN into morning, noon, and night. A lot of girls are looking for security, and won't let you go once they find you, and especially if they like you.

Remember, supply and demand is completely opposite Monterrey. So, there are so many more girls, and so few a number of mongers. So, when they find you, they're quite motivated to hang on, lest they be thrown back into their impoverished condition. And, they are all operating in that mind set. It is common to experience not only TLN, but TLS (Todo La Semana)...all week long.

And, I might also suggest too that it is quite another "motivation" to just want money, not really being in true poverty, but simply poor, ie: Monterrey Girls, versus being in abject poverty, ie: South America.

That level of need almost acts as a catalyst for BFE (boyfriend experience), and the resulting GFE. Remember, ALL girls want security, regardless of where you find them, even the USA. So, I believe the intensity of GFE found in comparison to Monterrey is directly related to the poverty levels, resulting in what we perceive is very cheap TLN.

So, compared to Monterrey, it's not even a comparable discussion...

And, one additional observation...most guys, unless there truly is significant chemistry for them, are dying for the girls to finally leave, as the girls go kicking and screaming. Because literally, there is no stronger chemistry for them than to sense that their savior from abject poverty is in their midst.

Boy, what a difference between that and the attitudes and living conditions of the girls in Monterrey, verdad?

Precociuos, if you read Zoom's post, it wasn't exactly a TLN.

It was 3 hours.

That's hardly a TLN.

[MonterreyDude]

Doubt, you are damn right Monterrey is user friendly and it is also cheap if compared to other cities like Guadalajara, and small towns like Saltillo, Toluca, Veracruz, San Luis Potosi, Puebla, etc.

But damn if am curious to see the girls of South America, land of the cheap.

Uno you started this so I'll add to it. You are correct about Monterrey being expensive to get to, the women are not bargains, and GFE is hard to find. But the things that Monterrey has going for it are the cabs are safe, which is rare, the areas of town where we go are safe to walk in. If you plan ahead the rooms are very reasonable. My favorite thing is the location of all those clubs within such a short distance of each other.

I'm sure there are plenty of venues all over the world that would be great to explore and eventually I will. But Monterrey is quick to get to, not prohibitively expensive, and hasn't disappointed me yet.

To sum it up, it may not be cheap, may not be the best, but it damn sure is user friendly.

[MonterreyDude]

Precociuos, if you read Zoom's post, it wasn't exactly a TLN.

It was 3 hours.

That's hardly a TLN.

If you monger for extended periods at a time, the ability to have a vehicle in Mexico is worth at least $500/month(6650 pesos/approximately 10 sessions) when factoring your budget and comparing other destinations.

I cannot stress enough to anyone that has thought about taking some time off to simply enjoy life and fu_k hot Mexicanas how absolutely ripe the conditions are right now here in Monterrey, MX. Other than three "hickeys" that I currently have on my neck, things have never been better for me in the last three years that I have lived here.

As recently evidenced by Zoom 21's TLN(toda la noche) deal, $1000 pesos($75.00) can go a long way for a guy here in Monterrey, MX.