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08-21-09 15:55 #1769
Originally Posted by Super Gato
My point exactly. All non-pro GF's are emotionally invested and a women's internal orgasm, by and large, is an emotional investment. That is why many of us here believe that a service provider's orgasm, when you are inside of her, is the pinnacle of success in regards to GFE.
I had a new girl last week that I met at an MP that told me straight-out that she was not going to DFK with me, the mandatory prescience for GFE. I asked her seven times, in succession, "Yo quiero besarte." Whenever she tried to say something to me or refute my advances, "Yo quiero besarte." On my eighth attempt she gave up the DFK.
And then she gave up the GFE.
The GFE was all over my stomach(MISH), running down her leg, and onto the bedsheet. Awesome. Incredible. Victory.
I returned two days later(I don't f_ck around when it comes to GFE) and once inside of the room she specifically told me that there was going to be no more DFK and no more GFE. It was a one time thing and she doesn't provide that service to her clients.
She refunded my money(I elected to not partake in her services), I kissed her on the cheek for providing me the GFE for that one and only time, and I was out the door.
This is what guys that share the same definition of GFE as myself are up against here in Monterrey.
Allday.
Everyday.
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08-21-09 15:35 #1768That's always been my working definition. A woman's orgasm isn't as purely mechanical as a dude's orgasm, most women tend to come vaginally when they're more emotionally invested in a guy. Although with civilians I will do all I can for her to come. When it is p4p, I'm more concerned about my getting off first and foremost. She's getting paid; if gets off then that's her propina. Not to say I'm not treating her well during our time together. But ultimately, it is a business transaction. Originally Posted by UnospongeBob
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08-21-09 07:55 #1767
GFE is an emotional investment given by the girl, to enhance the overall experience. I don't believe it can be measured solely by the delivery of orgasm, which is simply a mechanical technique properly applied. GFE is something felt by the male, resulting directly from the female's emotional investment in the encounter.
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08-21-09 02:40 #1766How in the world did you perversely construe my statement in regards to the Monterrey sex scene which consisted of, "For some of us here, GFE(when a girl permits herself to orgasm when you are inside of her) can happen on the very first encounter," to me thinking that I am "such a ladies man," "who make the ladies all purr"? Originally Posted by Super Gato
Super Gato, are you trying to say that you have never had a service provider have an orgasm with you on the very first encounter?
No, I am not a self-proclaimed "ladies man" and if you read my 230+ posts you will see that I am also not the kind of guy who comes onto an anonymous sexsite and brags about himself. I have physically described myself here strictly in defense and those that have met me know that the description is valid and have never disputed it.
And, if you thoroughly read the post that you are making reference to, you will clearly see that I said "can" as opposed to "all" regarding service providers and GFE on the very first encounter. And yes, GFE to me is only when a girl finishes, which they may only do on three or four seperate occasions with you before they show you the door as most do not want to continually put out that kind of effort or the initial physical attraction simply wears off. Many other guys define GFE within the same context. Believe me, I am not the first nor will I be the last. The female orgasm, when you are inside of her, is the ultimate form of GFE.
Also, if you have been reading the Monterrey thread, you should already know that the only self-proclaimed "ladies man" here is your buddy, Amigomio. Just re-read posts 1567, 1634, 1636 and 1679 of this same thread. After you read it, I think that you will agree. I still can't figure out with all these girls that he proclaims to have why he ultimately ends up at all those 100-200 peso casa de citas(post 1748) to pay for sex.
PS
By the way, I do agree with you that Amigomio is a very good resource here for visiting mongers and his map is actually famous. And, it's great that you're friends with him.
It just so happens that he and I don't get along and that's the reason why it's best we don't interact. He just won't let it go, whatever it is he is holding onto.Last edited by Admin; 08-26-09 at 23:10.
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08-21-09 01:31 #1765Wow I wish I was a such a ladies man like you who make the ladies all purr on the first encounter. I'd never seen GFE defined that way. Originally Posted by Precocious One
AmigoMio is an incredible resource for the scene in Monterrey and always enjoy his posts as well as being able to hit the bars with him when I'm in town.
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08-20-09 21:11 #1764
If you are applying my comments to anything you may have posted, then it's entirely in your own mind. I made no references to your post, nor did I "quote" your post in any way. I am doing the same as you...giving advice, advice that is not derived from anything you may have said, but made from my own observations about comments that some apparently believe their prowess to somehow make them less susceptible to bar girl strategies. I am not being offensive or calling you names. My singular comments are made in disagreement with a particular strategy. I am not in violation of the rules in making my comments. And, when I use the word "you" in quotes, it is designed to be applied to all that such generalities may apply.
Originally Posted by Precocious One
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08-20-09 20:31 #1763
There are far more ringers in Monterrey than good providers. One-time, or occasional visitors, regardless of their self perceived "prowess, " are lambs for the slaughter against the professional bar girl in Monterrey. Experience counts, and time taken assessing providers is the best recommendation one can receive.
It's a matter of supply and demand. There is far more demand for services than supply. Therefore, the girls have a deluge of guys that are younger than these guys, better looking than these guys, better shape then these guys, more Gringo than these guys, etc. And, even more importantly, more foolish with their money than these guys. And, the girls are pros at making you think they'll be good, turning on the charm in the clubs.
But, get them back to the room, and so many of them are duds. Especially with the occasional, or one time visitors. They know you will never be back. So many of the girls are lazy, and lack any kind of effort in really providing a porn star experience. It's all about getting as much of your money in as short a period of time as possible. So, those of you that are one time visitors, or infrequent visitors, are better served by doing your homework in the clubs, taking some time to assess the talent with a very critical eye.
No matter how much physical prowess one has, do not think the girls are so easy impressed that you can turn a lousy provider into a porn star experience. You can't turn a pig's ear into a silk purse.
The secret, regardless of one's physical prowess, is that the female nature is much less impressed by things physical/visual, and much more persuaded by things emotional/psychological. These truths are part of Female Nature 101. So, relying on things that you perceive as impressive to them, will result in they using it against you to sink the hook deeply.
The Monterrey Bar Girls are outstanding actresses. If you do not know them well, you will never really know what they're thinking and feeling. It is possible to get close to them if you're a regular, and then you might just understand them. But, for most newbie or occasional visitors, they will pander to these guy's ego, take these guys for a ride, and not the other way around. If you choose wisely though, these guys might just be convinced that these guys are all part of the same mutual admiration society, and these guys go away happy, not really ever knowing what they're really thinking, right?Last edited by Admin; 08-22-09 at 21:57.
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08-20-09 18:08 #1762
Super Gato is a semi regular to Monterrrey.
Expert monger in NL, TJ and Reynosa.
A total veteran.
No need to try to coach him.
Originally Posted by Precocious One
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08-20-09 15:06 #1761 Originally Posted by super gato
rumor has it that someone at el norte saw another established website here in monterrey that had the map and elected to do a story on pay for play. the particular website in question gets some 20 posts a day and, at times, names of women, places and recommendations are given. this pertains to strippers, escorts and masajitas. it is read entirely in spanish and the bloggers there appear to be strictly mexican nationals.
this is my third time living here in monterrey at an average of six months for each particular period. and it is primarily for that of learning the language, vacation and the sex trade. compared to other locales, the cost here for women, after you are considered and treated like a monterrey resident, is at worse 15-20 percent more than other comparable south american and central american locales, especially at today's favorable exchange rate. i have come up with this conclusion after having done research on all the other isg latin american threads reading posts, evaluating total costs and observing photos. and if you have a car here the costs are relatively the same after taking the need for daily transportation(taxis) into consideration. also, the sex workers here are visually inspected twice a month and blood-tested once every three months which is completely obligatory in many other countries of interest. i have absolutely no complaints regarding the quality of women or the level of services that i am currently receiving here in monterrey, mx.
keep in mind that i am a younger guy, speak passable spanish, somewhat attractive and in excellent physical shape which may be attributable to my positive outlook on monterrey mongering, both pro and non-pro. for some of us here, gfe(when a girl permits herself to orgasm when you are inside of here) can happen on the very first encounter. if a guy is not happy here and is upset with the service level being afforded to him by the management and girls here in monterrey, it's probably best for both parties to the agreement that he find another place to monger as he and his money are in all probability not really wanted here. 99 percent of the guys who visit here that fullfill the majority of the above-mentioned physical parameters will be perfectly satisifed with their experience regarding pay for play here in monterrey.
other than the numerous choices of casa de citas, at the end of the day monterrey is just another city in mexico offering sex for sale at various locales.
nothing more, nothing less.
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08-20-09 08:11 #1760
el norte newspaper and milenio did their things apart.
remember that journalists seldom really know in depth what they handle or write about.
the boss just sends the reporter to do his job and he does it in the best of ways... mostly as in this case, medicore.
from what i gather, el norte's map is way out of touch (places clubs that are closed like givenchy or misses many) and milenio got impressed by an "expert" that did 20 interviews and that was that and the truth became a parameter acording to the expert.
short story, i've been trying to get in touch with some of the journalists that did the story, but i guess they have their own agenda, meaning old news is not good news.
so the "expert" rules for the mean time.
and of course i agree with usb, monterrey is 99.5 % local.
i mean, asides from some very good mongers, some very nice people, who the hell will like to come to monterrey for sex trade???
no one.
Originally Posted by super gato
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08-20-09 02:42 #1759was the map feature from el norte below part of this story or did they do their own story on it? when i searched the site i kept running up against the pay wall. the el norte map looks like a feature a paper would do as to promote something like a nightlife guide. Originally Posted by amigomio
i'm not surprised by the sensationalism in the piece like mty being a leading world class sex tourism point of interest. or the sensationalism surrounding the exploitation or the **** girls. like unospongebob says, 99.9% of the mongers in mty are local and it on very people's sex tourism itineraries. the border towns -- especially tijuana -- are much more wider known outside mexico for the booty trade. but sensationalism sells newspapers and gets people to watch the channel.
from the article:
not really a representative sample since many more working girls are on stage at infinito during the presentations.this information was partly derived from interviews with 20 women who are in this situation.
unrelated question: after watching the video i watch the milenio live feed and saw something that bugged me from when i was watching the channel in tijuana last weekend... the live mexico city channel will have the time in mexico and then rotate to show the other time zones. but the pacific time was an hour earlier than it should be. the offset is 2 hours from central so when i was watching the channel it would say 18:00, 17:00 montaņa, 16:00 sonora, and 15:00 pacifico. but this time of year the those freaks in arizona (i was born there so i can talk about them) and sonora are the same time as pacifico because they never change in the spring/fall. and so the pacifico time should have said 16:00. it was driving me nuts and was responsible for me getting to adelita an hour before the shift change! that was on sunday and it is still that way now three days later! has it been that way since the time change? if i can't believe them on something as time as the time, how can i know the reports about monterrey being a sex tourism hotspot are true?
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08-19-09 13:12 #1758
No comparison...
In writing this it started to take on a very negative sounding kind of assessment that I really didn't mean to convey. But, it just illustrates the stark contrast that is Monterrey compared to Asia.
Keep in mind however, that I prefer Monterrey to all other venues, mostly because of circumstances I've been able to manage for myself, ones that are not typical for the infrequent visitor...For the average visitor, even with experience, it is only rewarding when everything is in perfect alignment, which is not typical without significant work being necessary. Monterrey is definitely not a world class mongering destination.
It's really nothing like Bangkok or Pattaya...I would caution you that the girl mentality in Monterrey is totally different than what you'll find in Asia. The girls in Asia have no illusions about why they're there. Many of the girls in Monterrey can be sort of delusional about why they're there.
In Monterrey, compared to Asia, you're going to find a much higher percentage of girls that view themselves as "entertainers," some of which will not leave their club environments with anyone, and even a small percentage that will have a reluctance to provide full service on premise. There are some that will restrict their activities to dancing, maybe bouncing on your lap in the privados, covered BJs, etc...And, unlike Asia, EVERYTHING is covered, especially in the bars, not that you would desire anything else, but that is a major distinction compared to Asia. Don't be surprised if you even find that some girls have a Cherry Girl kind of mentality if you've had any experience in the Philippines.
In Asia, ALL girls will go back to your hotel, stay all night, do anything and everything, etc...and for a price that is literally a third of what you'll be expected to pay in Monterrey for a tenth of the time.
In addition, all night back at your hotel is almost unheard of in Monterrey. You will find most of the girls reluctant to spend more than 1.5 hours back at your hotel. The girls are required by their employers to be back at work within 1.5 hours of leaving the club with you, and many of the girls will attempt to cut out early, some enticing you with promises of two hours or more, but actually cutting out as soon as they can when the deed is done.
And, there's a huge percentage that will bait you along with buying them drinks in the bars, promising you the moon, but bleeding your wallet dry buying them drinks, never really intending to leave the bar with you at all. Remember this...in Monterrey, the girls can make as much money bleeding your wallet dry on drinks as they can going back to your hotel. So, MANY will promise you the moon, and leave you with blue balls, not something you are used to if you know the Asian venues. The reason??? Supply and Demand. Simply put, there are a lot more of us than there are of them. In Asia, it's just the opposite. So, keep that in mind if you start to wander back toward an asian kind of strategy.
There are just so many guys in Monterrey that are willing to part with gobs of money squandered on girls that laugh at their jokes, and tell them they are guapo, that the girls do not have to do anything bit sit in their clubs and bleed their wallets dry on drinks and do a little meaningless grinding and conversation in the privados. Supply and Demand permits the girls to get away with it. There are just too many of us, and so comparatively few of them. It is just the opposite of that in Asia.
If you can project the effect that the supply and demand dynamic has on the sex scene in Monterrey, you'll have an advantage over the average visitor with experience elsewhere in the World that has to learn the hard way.
You're going to find that many HOT girls that you would think might be great back at the hotel, are relatively poor lovers, something that you rarely find lacking in Asia. For that reason, you have to really invest some time to find something worth taking back to the hotel. But investment must be metered, just enough spent on drinks and privados, just enough to make a calculated guess with respect to taking them back to your hotel.
It becomes a matter of wasted time taking back a cold fish, a time watcher, a "are you done yet" queen, etc...versus spending time first in the club, gaging their anticipated performance back at your hotel without pissing away a fortune in drinks on a "promiser."
So, Monterrey is a lot more work. There's a lot more failure experienced to achieve eventual success compared to Asia.
In Asia, there is a "sex tourism" kind of mentality. Whereas, Monterrey strip clubs offer more of an entertainment venue, with sex being available under structured circumstances, but for a very expensive price tag compared to Asia, and a quality that's ten times more likely to disappoint on an individual provider basis compared to Asia. So, if you like the Asia kind of experience, it's a lot more work to find that in Monterrey.
Without putting in the work at the club level making your selection, I think you might come away disappointed. There is no "red zone." There are so many different venues in Monterrey that you'll probably feel a little overwhelmed making a decision where to go. Things are so spread out, and there is no one "zona" where you can optimize your time.
I suspect that you'll feel like your time is slipping away without a specific plan of action in advance, especially because the interviewing process in the clubs can be somewhat time consuming if you want to avoid all the pitfalls. But, it's either put in the time in the interviewing process or pay the piper when you get them back to your room and find out they're a real disappointment.
I would put the following clubs on your short list. Mainly because these clubs offer a good likelihood of your finding what you're looking for. Based on your acceptance of the Sheraton environment versus the "No Tell Hotels," I suspect you will not particularly appreciate the lower end clubs like El Infinito, Tangalay, El Cielo, Matehuela, etc...
I don't know your preferences for sure, but I suspect that you may have a taste where you enjoy a little higher level of comfort. For that reason, I'm recommending you spend your time in the medium level clubs, and that you avoid the lower end clubs, other than perhaps just to scope them out for curiosity's sake. And, even if you do scope out the lower level bars, I think you might find them to have kind of a rough and nasty element to them that I suspect will ultimately turn you off.
So, with time being of the essence, you may not want to waste time in the Lower End Bars at all.
Medium Level:
Casino
Bahamas
Harem
Pasarelas
Azul Tequilla
And there are countless others...
Originally Posted by Woody53
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08-19-09 07:14 #1757
It depends on what you are looking for: SCs, MPs.
If you are an experienced monger, Infinito SC is the choice, but unless you go with someone that know the place you will be overwhelmed.
Infinito has expanded to 3 stages so the place is hugh now.
Again, a nice SC with all the trimmings, good girls and moderate prices is Casino, more or less 10 minutes away from you.
Or Pasarelas which is a favorite of many Americans since it is relativly close to the hotel distric (no more than 5 minutes almost on a stright line).
Your turn Woody: what are you looking for?
What could be your budget you are planing to spend at a club???
Be glad to help you out.
Originally Posted by Woody53
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08-19-09 00:15 #1756
Woody53-
Don't be too concerned about needing to find a girl-friendly hotel as there are plenty of 2-3 hour no-tels close to all the S/C's that offer reasonable accomodations for 100-150 pesos. I recommend the Casino Hotel, Calle Arteaga 816 Pte., which is run by three women that offers both A/C and non-A/C rooms for 150 and 100 pesos, respectively, for three hours. The rooms are clean, well-lit and have hot and cold water in the showers. It is located a stone's throw away from many of the S/C's in the immediate area.
http://www.elnorte.com/libre/offline...TipoGiro=3&v=1
The above-captioned link is a variation of Amigomio's map along with added photos and should keep you busy for the weekend.
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08-18-09 20:13 #1755
Thanks for the hint Amigo mio. Sheraton looks good.
I've read a lot of posts, but I didn't find much advice where to go. So were to start? Other web sources don't give advice either. Is there a red light area. (like Bangkok or Pattaya?)
Thanks again,
Woody
Originally Posted by Amigomio
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