Monterrey

[MonterreyDude]

You evaded your own statement:
In your post say and I quote, "Girls that look around age 28, are now seemingly over the hill when I make a judgment as to my interest level. Most of the time, I am not impressed by girls that are over the age of 26. To me, they appear just too old, a wrinkle here, too much fat there, too soft, etc...I mean, when you compare them to the 20 year old divas we routinely mess around with, girls that are older than about 26 are just not that alluring to me. "

You later answered my post in a opposite direction (my "pits" post): "Speak for yourself...my girlfriend spends hours and hours on end with me. She does not think I am the pits. Certainly, the witches that are the divas act awful toward us, say awful things, etc...But, I have a lot of girls that do NOT think I am the pits. No, the witches are just that, witches...they are the pits."

Iam not talking about your GF, I said what truely is said by the girls. And Iam speaking about you, and of course this involves us men at the 50 year line... cause we are not getting any younger, we are getting older.

And again, you just don't have a hold of the situation.
The girls talk to other girls... you just don't get that part.

You know what it the first thing they say about us to a newcomer girl? "don't sit with that guy.. he is SO OLD".
You know why? Cause, if they don't get our money, they don't want anyone else to get our money.

And since you just don't believe that part, you sit with the idea that everything is under control, when control is managed by evil forces you just don't comprehend.

PS: CIndy #1??? When are you going to pay heed to the words of a friend (me) that has told you time and time again that she is hazardous to your health? That she is crazy? That she is bipolar???
Am going to tell you honestly and openly, that you have to be as crazy as she is (which YOU ARE NOT) to go back looking for her.

Amigomio says...
"Let me advance you an answer: that we are the pits."

Speak for yourself...my girlfriend spends hours and hours on end with me. She does not think I am the pits. Certainly, the witches that are the divas act awful toward us, say awful things, etc...But, I have a lot of girls that do NOT think I am the pits. No, the witches are just that, witches...they are the pits.

My girlfriend has tons of boys after her too...You want to know what she thinks of them...just that...they are "boys."

Amigomio says:

"My sometimes choices of older girls goes with the fact that it's easier to deal with girls over 25 in the business. They are much more intellectualy mature than their 18-20 something counterparts and they are more willing to see an older man than the younger girls. Which is an irrefutable fact."

This I do agree with. It does reveal a slight contradiction in the way I express my own preferences. I agree that the girls are much more amiable at that age, versus the 18 year olds.

"There is one thing USB, that even involves you and that is that your girl is 24 going on 25, meaning that she is now in range of what I have just pointed out to you, meaning also that you are one year from contradicting yourself in terms of not wanting to go out with older girls. May I point out that both Cindy #1 and Cindy #2 were 24-25 when you met them and you still want to see Cindy #1... another contradiction)."

My girlfriend was 23 when I met her. Our relationship has evolved so far beyond mongering per se, that it isn't even legitimate to discuss what motivates either of us. However, I will see her for as long as she will have me. My attraction to her is far beyond physical. I am simply lucky that she is as HOT as she really is.

With respect to Cindy #1, you will be pleased to know that I have re-established contact with her, and she is dying to see me again. We are good friends, a friendship that replaced mongering long ago. She is a also a "girlfriend." But, of course, because my true girlfriend is there for me always, I will only see her only in her club. But, I will look forward to experiencing the true affection she give me...and in lieu of receiving compensation as a result.

The point of all of this is that the typical mongerer is mired in the physical, when I concentrate on the psychological. If you can not understand the distinction, you, meaning the reader, and not directly addressing Carlos here, then you probably never will understand.

[Member #3453]

Amigomio says...
"Let me advance you an answer: that we are the pits."

Speak for yourself...my girlfriend spends hours and hours on end with me. She does not think I am the pits. Certainly, the witches that are the divas act awful toward us, say awful things, etc...But, I have a lot of girls that do NOT think I am the pits. No, the witches are just that, witches...they are the pits.

My girlfriend has tons of boys after her too...You want to know what she thinks of them...just that...they are "boys."

Amigomio says:

"My sometimes choices of older girls goes with the fact that it's easier to deal with girls over 25 in the business. They are much more intellectualy mature than their 18-20 something counterparts and they are more willing to see an older man than the younger girls. Which is an irrefutable fact."

This I do agree with. It does reveal a slight contradiction in the way I express my own preferences. I agree that the girls are much more amiable at that age, versus the 18 year olds.

"There is one thing USB, that even involves you and that is that your girl is 24 going on 25, meaning that she is now in range of what I have just pointed out to you, meaning also that you are one year from contradicting yourself in terms of not wanting to go out with older girls. May I point out that both Cindy #1 and Cindy #2 were 24-25 when you met them and you still want to see Cindy #1... another contradiction)."

My girlfriend was 23 when I met her. Our relationship has evolved so far beyond mongering per se, that it isn't even legitimate to discuss what motivates either of us. However, I will see her for as long as she will have me. My attraction to her is far beyond physical. I am simply lucky that she is as HOT as she really is.

With respect to Cindy #1, you will be pleased to know that I have re-established contact with her, and she is dying to see me again. We are good friends, a friendship that replaced mongering long ago. She is a also a "girlfriend." But, of course, because my true girlfriend is there for me always, I will only see her only in her club. But, I will look forward to experiencing the true affection she give me...and in lieu of receiving compensation as a result.

The point of all of this is that the typical mongerer is mired in the physical, when I concentrate on the psychological. If you can not understand the distinction, you, meaning the reader, and not directly addressing Carlos here, then you probably never will understand.

[MonterreyDude]

Whoa down!!!!

"Most of the time, I am not impressed by girls that are over the age of 26. To me, they appear just too old, a wrinkle here, too much fat there, too soft, etc..."

What do you think the girls think of us???
Let me advance you an answer: that we are the pits.

I have told you many times that you guys have the fortune of not being able to understand 90% of what the girls say and boy, are you lucky.
I have to deal with them coming up to me and saying right up front saying "where do you meet all those crazy geezers".
They don't care if they offend or not, or risk losing a potential customer cause they got tons of boys after them.

By now I still see that you have not regained touch with what you are dealing with and the worst part is that did talk about this last time you were here.
One of my recomendations has always been, keep track of the girls, make a register of them, the usual who, what and where so that when you come back you know who you should be with and who not to lose time with.

You always say 2 things when you come to Monterrey:
I don't have time to waste. I need to get the girl quickly.

This has been your total perdition many times.
Your reasoning has been that you will not see the girl the next time you come back... and by now, you have come back many many times and you still have contact with the same club manifest.
And you burn the fuse too fast with the girls trying to hit at them too quickly.
And again, it's a lesson you haven't learned.


And speaking of enchiladas...
My sometimes choices of older girls goes with the fact that it's easier to deal with girls over 25 in the business. They are much more intelectualy mature than their 18-20something counterparts and they are more willing to see an older man than the younger girls.
Which is an irrefutable fact.

There is one thing USB, that even involves you and that is that your girl is 24 going on 25, meaning that she is now in range of what I have just pointed out to you, meaning also that you are one year from contradicting yourself in terms of not wanting to go out with older girls.
(May I point out that both Cindy #1 and Cindy #2 were 24-25 when you met them and you still want to see Cindy #1... another contradiction).

Girls that look around age 28, are now seemingly over the hill when I make a judgment as to my interest level. Most of the time, I am not impressed by girls that are over the age of 26. To me, they appear just too old, a wrinkle here, too much fat there, too soft, etc...I mean, when you compare them to the 20 year old divas we routinely mess around with, girls that are older than about 26 are just not that alluring to me.

With respect to our recent experience sitting on the benches at Plaza Real, looking at the couple waiting for the taxi, I made this comment to my GFE that I believed the girl looked to be about mid to late 20s. She said she thought she looked 18-19 years old. The guy was definitely in his late 40s early 50s, perhaps even as old as 56-58 years old. The girl could have been older than she looked, perhaps as old as 26-30 years old, although I believe her to definitely appear much younger than thirty years old.

I remember talking recently to a girl at Obsession. She was telling me about her family. She told me her father was 65 years old, and her mother is 45 years old. I asked if they are happy, and she said they are very happy together. I was simply asking questions about her life, her family, and not hinting at any age difference. I think that age difference was more accepted a number of years ago, and it's less common today than it may have formerly been in Mexico. But, none the less, it does still routinely exist there, certainly more so than in the USA, where the phenomenon is virtually non-existent. I find these things out about the families of the girls when I am casually talking to them. You would be surprised how often they reveal the age difference between their parents is between 10-20 years. Even in the case of my own GFs parents, the age difference is about 20 years.

I believe however, that as Mexico becomes closer and closer sociologically to the USA, this phenomenon will virtually vanish. However, if you examine other culture of world, you will find that this phenomenon is still alive and well in many places.

I don't necessarily believe these things because I am "wanting" them to be true. I am simply making observations of what I've observed to be true about other couples, without bias, sometimes through direct observation, and through lines of questioning that reveal the reality.

Believe me, I realize that this phenomenon is not the rule of thumb in Monterrey. I realize that it's probably a more common situation in more rural parts of Mexico. I realize that the more common situation is what we all observe, people of similar ages getting together.

However, I also realize, from my own personal experiences with these club girls, that regardless of their inherent preference to see men in the same age range, it does not preclude us from turning them from their sociologically imposed predisposition to have a prejudice against being open to, and enjoying their time with, an older man.

My point is, I have simply broken the barrier myself, and realize that I limit my own potential possibilities if I adopt the same preconceived notions imposed primarily by society's taboos, when I know the girls are not really that bias in the privacy of my own bedroom where they can hide from the stigma.

If the girls respond to your questions about whether they would typically like seeing you as an older man, they are simply mimicking what they are expected to say, and also revealing what they would prefer their own scenarios to be. But, it does not necessarily mean that in your particular circumstance, they are not surprised themselves at how much they actually enjoy being with you, almost afraid to admit it to themselves for fear of being considered "strange." What they say, and how you can make them feel, are two different things entirely. I have proven it many times over.

I am merely saying not to allow your biases to limit your own aspirations to break through the sociological age barrier. It can and is routinely broken, if you want it, and work at it. It's just that we have to work harder at it than the 20 somethings, and we have to use things other than the advantage of younger age to achieve it.

But, then again, we have huge advantages over the 20 somethings in life experiences, and hopefully at understanding what motivates a women. Plus, remember, the 20 somethings are lazy, taking their advantage for granted. We, on the other hand, realize our handicap, and we realize the necessity of bringing all of our skills to bear if we are to succeed in circumstances where they do not have to even try. Their lack in effort, and their taking their age advantage for granted, is my best ally. Because, most Mexican girls are really not too thrilled, emotionally, with their 20 something boyfriends. Just ask them.

The bottom line is that with "good" girls, we will never get a chance. But, thank GOD, with these bar girls, we get the opportunity to introduce ourselves to them. For the sake of money, we are given our opportunity to transcend the physical act and have a shot at something deeper, something legit. If we are lucky, we can get much more than we bargained for in the initial transaction. That is all I am saying.

[Member #3453]

Girls that look around age 28, are now seemingly over the hill when I make a judgment as to my interest level. Most of the time, I am not impressed by girls that are over the age of 26. To me, they appear just too old, a wrinkle here, too much fat there, too soft, etc...I mean, when you compare them to the 20 year old divas we routinely mess around with, girls that are older than about 26 are just not that alluring to me.

With respect to our recent experience sitting on the benches at Plaza Real, looking at the couple waiting for the taxi, I made this comment to my GFE that I believed the girl looked to be about mid to late 20s. She said she thought she looked 18-19 years old. The guy was definitely in his late 40s early 50s, perhaps even as old as 56-58 years old. The girl could have been older than she looked, perhaps as old as 26-30 years old, although I believe her to definitely appear much younger than thirty years old.

I remember talking recently to a girl at Obsession. She was telling me about her family. She told me her father was 65 years old, and her mother is 45 years old. I asked if they are happy, and she said they are very happy together. I was simply asking questions about her life, her family, and not hinting at any age difference. I think that age difference was more accepted a number of years ago, and it's less common today than it may have formerly been in Mexico. But, none the less, it does still routinely exist there, certainly more so than in the USA, where the phenomenon is virtually non-existent. I find these things out about the families of the girls when I am casually talking to them. You would be surprised how often they reveal the age difference between their parents is between 10-20 years. Even in the case of my own GFs parents, the age difference is about 20 years.

I believe however, that as Mexico becomes closer and closer sociologically to the USA, this phenomenon will virtually vanish. However, if you examine other culture of world, you will find that this phenomenon is still alive and well in many places.

I don't necessarily believe these things because I am "wanting" them to be true. I am simply making observations of what I've observed to be true about other couples, without bias, sometimes through direct observation, and through lines of questioning that reveal the reality.

Believe me, I realize that this phenomenon is not the rule of thumb in Monterrey. I realize that it's probably a more common situation in more rural parts of Mexico. I realize that the more common situation is what we all observe, people of similar ages getting together.

However, I also realize, from my own personal experiences with these club girls, that regardless of their inherent preference to see men in the same age range, it does not preclude us from turning them from their sociologically imposed predisposition to have a prejudice against being open to, and enjoying their time with, an older man.

My point is, I have simply broken the barrier myself, and realize that I limit my own potential possibilities if I adopt the same preconceived notions imposed primarily by society's taboos, when I know the girls are not really that bias in the privacy of my own bedroom where they can hide from the stigma.

If the girls respond to your questions about whether they would typically like seeing you as an older man, they are simply mimicking what they are expected to say, and also revealing what they would prefer their own scenarios to be. But, it does not necessarily mean that in your particular circumstance, they are not surprised themselves at how much they actually enjoy being with you, almost afraid to admit it to themselves for fear of being considered "strange." What they say, and how you can make them feel, are two different things entirely. I have proven it many times over.

I am merely saying not to allow your biases to limit your own aspirations to break through the sociological age barrier. It can and is routinely broken, if you want it, and work at it. It's just that we have to work harder at it than the 20 somethings, and we have to use things other than the advantage of younger age to achieve it.

But, then again, we have huge advantages over the 20 somethings in life experiences, and hopefully at understanding what motivates a women. Plus, remember, the 20 somethings are lazy, taking their advantage for granted. We, on the other hand, realize our handicap, and we realize the necessity of bringing all of our skills to bear if we are to succeed in circumstances where they do not have to even try. Their lack in effort, and their taking their age advantage for granted, is my best ally. Because, most Mexican girls are really not too thrilled, emotionally, with their 20 something boyfriends. Just ask them.

The bottom line is that with "good" girls, we will never get a chance. But, thank GOD, with these bar girls, we get the opportunity to introduce ourselves to them. For the sake of money, we are given our opportunity to transcend the physical act and have a shot at something deeper, something legit. If we are lucky, we can get much more than we bargained for in the initial transaction. That is all I am saying.

Of course there are exceptions... but I would have need to have seen this said couple.

Believe me USB... you WANT to SEE... therefore you must have acomodated.

You might have believed there was a 25 year diference but it might have been less than 10 years.

There is a point in our years where we don't see difference between a 20 year old and a 26-28 even a 30 year old.

My Obsss GF is just 26 and she doesn't look over 20 years.
My Harem GF is 28 and she doesn't seem over 24-25

We tend to see the span of age that encompasses the 20's as... one single year.
It's like my 28 year old friend at Pasarelas.. I bet you USB, you thought she was in her early 20's.

At our age, their age will trick us....

[MonterreyDude]

Of course there are exceptions... but I would have need to have seen this said couple.

Believe me USB... you WANT to SEE... therefore you must have acomodated.

You might have believed there was a 25 year diference but it might have been less than 10 years.

There is a point in our years where we don't see difference between a 20 year old and a 26-28 even a 30 year old.

My Obsss GF is just 26 and she doesn't look over 20 years.
My Harem GF is 28 and she doesn't seem over 24-25

We tend to see the span of age that encompasses the 20's as... one single year.
It's like my 28 year old friend at Pasarelas.. I bet you USB, you thought she was in her early 20's.

At our age, their age will trick us....

I have been in other countries, including South American Countries, where the age difference is a common occurence. I have seen this in Asian Countries as well. These are not hookers and their Johns.

Even most recently in Monterrey, when my girlfriend and I were sitting eating a delicious Helados Sultana Ice Cream in the Plaza Real Shopping Center. There, waiting in line for a taxi at the curb were a couple that were at least 25 years apart in age. The girl, probably in her 20s, the guy probably in his late 40s to early 50s. They were just a normal couple.

My girl even commented when I noticed the age difference between them. She quickly said that they appeared to be just a normal couple to her. She even jabbed me a bit, saying that she bets he does not even venture into the clubs. She thought they were a totally legit couple.

It is not an uncommon thing. Perhaps it not as common a thing in a metropolis like Monterrey, a sophisticated city with contemporary stereotypes, modern day sociology, and feminazi values. Super Gato is right, they will stare right through us. Of course, they have no frame of reference from which to buck the sociological stigmas.

Most girls have never been with an older man. So, to use the mall girls as an example doesn't really make a true comparison. The better comparison are the girls in the clubs that have experienced older men and enjoy it. Those girls have become used to the idea, are not afraid of it, and have developed an open mindedness about it. Those are truly the enlightened girls. Their sisters that are in the mall haven't a clue because they are mired in the sociology that keeps them consistent with what society dictates.

Finally, how many movie stars, rock stars, etc...have women half their ages. These women are attracted by the something other than physical attraction. They are attracted by the totality of package, the money, the power, the fame, the experience, etc...Conversely, how many older movie actresses and classic rock divas have twenty year old husbands?

My point is, there is more than one way to skin a cat. If you're older, you have to use all your abilities, resources, talents, experience understanding women....things that the 20 something males are clueless about. I refuse to believe that a twenty year old kid can touch me when it comes to understanding the female mind. Write yourselves off if you want to...

[Member #3453]

I have been in other countries, including South American Countries, where the age difference is a common occurence. I have seen this in Asian Countries as well. These are not hookers and their Johns.

Even most recently in Monterrey, when my girlfriend and I were sitting eating a delicious Helados Sultana Ice Cream in the Plaza Real Shopping Center. There, waiting in line for a taxi at the curb were a couple that were at least 25 years apart in age. The girl, probably in her 20s, the guy probably in his late 40s to early 50s. They were just a normal couple.

My girl even commented when I noticed the age difference between them. She quickly said that they appeared to be just a normal couple to her. She even jabbed me a bit, saying that she bets he does not even venture into the clubs. She thought they were a totally legit couple.

It is not an uncommon thing. Perhaps it not as common a thing in a metropolis like Monterrey, a sophisticated city with contemporary stereotypes, modern day sociology, and feminazi values. Super Gato is right, they will stare right through us. Of course, they have no frame of reference from which to buck the sociological stigmas.

Most girls have never been with an older man. So, to use the mall girls as an example doesn't really make a true comparison. The better comparison are the girls in the clubs that have experienced older men and enjoy it. Those girls have become used to the idea, are not afraid of it, and have developed an open mindedness about it. Those are truly the enlightened girls. Their sisters that are in the mall haven't a clue because they are mired in the sociology that keeps them consistent with what society dictates.

Finally, how many movie stars, rock stars, etc...have women half their ages. These women are attracted by the something other than physical attraction. They are attracted by the totality of package, the money, the power, the fame, the experience, etc...Conversely, how many older movie actresses and classic rock divas have twenty year old husbands?

My point is, there is more than one way to skin a cat. If you're older, you have to use all your abilities, resources, talents, experience understanding women....things that the 20 something males are clueless about. I refuse to believe that a twenty year old kid can touch me when it comes to understanding the female mind. Write yourselves off if you want to...

[Super Gato]

"Therefore, logically, to extrapolate, if a 40+ (hopefully meaning age and not dress size :-), women is attracted to us at that age, is it not realistically possible that girls in their 20s might not also have the same level of attraction as their 40+ counterparts?"

Answer: No.

I talked once the subject with my Obsession GF. Asked her if she thought BEFORE she started working at a SC, if she could fall for an older guy.
She said no.
If she had stayed in the "bright side", on a regular job, she would have never ever turned to look at an older guy, specialy me, that Iam 25 years older than her.

I also asked her the following question: "Do you think you would still like me once you return to a regular job in the bright side and you forget the SC job"?
She just stared at me... I answered for her: "no".

Once they leave the business, their point of view of life reverts a normal status of references, of checks and balances they once belong to.
The first thing they do once they star moving around in the normal world is totally forget whatever reminds them of their former selves and in the case of my GF and me... that would be me.

The girls were being honest.

Non working girls in 18-30 don't even see older guys. Just to go to the mall and watch them --- in Monterrey or any city really. They don't see you. You are invisible. You can be standing right in front of them and they won't see you. They'll bump into you because they didn't see you. If you stare too long, the girl's less attractive friend might notice and tell her that a creepy old guy is leering at her.

Now by flashing the right amount of cash you can get her attention. But it would be cheaper and probably a better experience to go to a pro. And of course, if you're exceptionally guapo or famoso they'll see you. But we regular guys are invisible. We're their dad's age.

My taste in women is the same since I was a teenager: 18-24. When I was in my late 20s, these girls stopped seeing me. I became invisible. So now I satisfy my desires for the 18-24 year olds by going to the pros. When I walk into one of the clubs on Carlos' list, the chicas will see me. I don't mind this arrangement because even though I like a lot of the music younger people listen to and I probably am emotionally closer to their age, we don't have a lot in common.

There are some mature women (25+) that will catch my eye in clubs, but women around my age will see me on the street so I don't need to get on a plane and go to Mexico. I'm not invisible.

[El Cabron 007]

It is very interesting that you would go the distance and ask them those questions.

I would expect that the girls who leave the business do not go cold turkey. I think they go through phases.

One of those early phases, right after they actually leave the clubs, is a short period of complete boycott of the business followed by the desire to lookup her regular clients and go house calls or out on dates with them. That I do not see as romance at all. I see it as a side job but without the hassle of the club. She shows the guy a good time and then collects her regular fee, if not plus extras if she sweat talks her way to the guy's heart making him think he is the one and only. I know. I am the one and only for Lady J who totally quit the club scene.

Another phase is when they move in or marry someone from the club. She then realizes a few month or a year later that she was only giving him a long session but at home instead of the club. Wouldn't all of us love to take a girl out on a one year salida? No club fees no nothing. You just feed her and help her continue to be pretty. Good deal.

?? But fall in love with us ?? To them we are old ugly perverts just like we enjoy their company but know real well we are dealing with cute little sl8ts.

OK. That's it for now.

Wasted.

Asked her if she thought BEFORE she started working at a SC, if she could fall for an older guy.
She said no.

I also asked her the following question: "Do you think you would still like me once you return to a regular job in the bright side and you forget the SC job"?
She just stared at me... I answered for her: "no".

[MonterreyDude]

"Therefore, logically, to extrapolate, if a 40+ (hopefully meaning age and not dress size :-), women is attracted to us at that age, is it not realistically possible that girls in their 20s might not also have the same level of attraction as their 40+ counterparts?"

Answer: No.

I talked once the subject with my Obsession GF. Asked her if she thought BEFORE she started working at a SC, if she could fall for an older guy.
She said no.
If she had stayed in the "bright side", on a regular job, she would have never ever turned to look at an older guy, specialy me, that Iam 25 years older than her.

I also asked her the following question: "Do you think you would still like me once you return to a regular job in the bright side and you forget the SC job"?
She just stared at me... I answered for her: "no".

Once they leave the business, their point of view of life reverts a normal status of references, of checks and balances they once belong to.
The first thing they do once they star moving around in the normal world is totally forget whatever reminds them of their former selves and in the case of my GF and me... that would be me.

Anyway, I would be the first to let them go.
Once they forget the old checks and balances and go back to normalcy, there is no stopping them from doing what ever they want to do.
That includes doing stupid things.
The money we pay them puts the break on them. Their ho job puts the break on them too.

PS: "Most would consider such a revelation, that an older woman is attracted to us, as a bit of a downer"

Only you USB, could think that way. Me, I love mature women...
.. of course the CORRECT WORDING refering to the lady that selld dresses to the girls should be UGLY OLDER WOMEN!!!!
Now that is a total downer!!!!!

Great...I am attracting old women...Just what I had in mind :-))))

Consider this logic...Most would consider such a revelation, that an older woman is attracted to us, as a bit of a downer, verdad?

But USB rises above it all....This illustrates the power of positive thinking.

As we age, do we not believe a young girl to be as beautiful to us at our SIGNIFICANTLY advanced ages, as we would have thought them to be when we were 20?

So, that having been established. Is it not also correct to assume, that girls have the same kind of attraction at age 40+...as they would quite possibly have had at age 20? I mean, I am as attracted to certain girls in the same way as I am now attracted to certain girls. I like them short, thin, morena, cute face, fantastic body...nothing's changed with my age with respect to what attracts me, verdad?

Therefore, logically, to extrapolate, if a 40+ (hopefully meaning age and not dress size :-), women is attracted to us at that age, is it not realistically possible that girls in their 20s might not also have the same level of attraction as their 40+ counterparts?

Also, it comes to mind, a line from a movie I recently went to with my 24 year old Mexican girlfriend. We attended the movie "Venus," with Peter O'toole. In the movie, I enjoyed the delivery of a particular line.

Peter O'toole is an old man, probably 90 years old, and he has a young girl staying with he and another 90 year old room mate. Peter O'toole and the young girl form an emotional friendship. At one point, Peter O'toole is as interested in at least looking at this girls body, kissing her, etc, as he was when he was 20, even though his is sexually impotent.

At one point in the movie, Peter O'toole tells the young girl, "A woman's body is the single most beautiful thing that a man will ever see in his lifetime." The young girl asks, "and what is the most beautiful thing a woman will ever see?" Peter O'toole replies by saying, "Her first born child." Ahhhh, excellent line indeed. This movie was about a young girl, literally faling in emotional love with a 90 year old man. I know it sounds crazy. But, if we fully understand woman, it is not impossible.

I hold onto this potential truth, and it sustains me....ahhhhhhh!!! Further psychobabelian analysis is called for....What say you all?

[Member #3453]

Great...I am attracting old women...Just what I had in mind :-))))

Consider this logic...Most would consider such a revelation, that an older woman is attracted to us, as a bit of a downer, verdad?

But USB rises above it all....This illustrates the power of positive thinking.

As we age, do we not believe a young girl to be as beautiful to us at our SIGNIFICANTLY advanced ages, as we would have thought them to be when we were 20?

So, that having been established. Is it not also correct to assume, that girls have the same kind of attraction at age 40+...as they would quite possibly have had at age 20? I mean, I am as attracted to certain girls in the same way as I am now attracted to certain girls. I like them short, thin, morena, cute face, fantastic body...nothing's changed with my age with respect to what attracts me, verdad?

Therefore, logically, to extrapolate, if a 40+ (hopefully meaning age and not dress size :-), women is attracted to us at that age, is it not realistically possible that girls in their 20s might not also have the same level of attraction as their 40+ counterparts?

Also, it comes to mind, a line from a movie I recently went to with my 24 year old Mexican girlfriend. We attended the movie "Venus," with Peter O'toole. In the movie, I enjoyed the delivery of a particular line.

Peter O'toole is an old man, probably 90 years old, and he has a young girl staying with he and another 90 year old room mate. Peter O'toole and the young girl form an emotional friendship. At one point, Peter O'toole is as interested in at least looking at this girls body, kissing her, etc, as he was when he was 20, even though his is sexually impotent.

At one point in the movie, Peter O'toole tells the young girl, "A woman's body is the single most beautiful thing that a man will ever see in his lifetime." The young girl asks, "and what is the most beautiful thing a woman will ever see?" Peter O'toole replies by saying, "Her first born child." Ahhhh, excellent line indeed. This movie was about a young girl, literally faling in emotional love with a 90 year old man. I know it sounds crazy. But, if we fully understand woman, it is not impossible.

I hold onto this potential truth, and it sustains me....ahhhhhhh!!! Further psychobabelian analysis is called for....What say you all?

Bob, I was setting at my usual table last niht when that lady who sells outfits to the girls was talking to me. She asked about you. She plain straight forward told me 2 things:
1- She thinks you are a handsom man, and ...
2- She wants you ... Yes .. She likes you and asked me to let you know.

So there. Now you know.

But I very politly told her that you like them below 20 years old.

Wasted

[El Cabron 007]

Bob, I was setting at my usual table last niht when that lady who sells outfits to the girls was talking to me. She asked about you. She plain straight forward told me 2 things:
1- She thinks you are a handsom man, and ...
2- She wants you ... Yes .. She likes you and asked me to let you know.

So there. Now you know.

But I very politly told her that you like them below 20 years old.

Wasted

[Member #3453]

You know, I am really very disappointed at the quality of the buffet at Obsession versus Prestige. The quality of the buffet has plummeted at Obsession. The drink prices are less at Obsession however, and considerably less. So, if you're contemplating a visit to a particular high end club, and you want to have the most bang for the buck concerning drink prices, then Obsession is really quite a bargain.

I recall being at Obsession in the not too distant past, and I was kind of surprised how cheap the drinks were. I had come from Prestige the prior day, and I am always kind of shocked at the totality of the costs that accrue over at Prestige. I don't even remember the literal cost differences by the drink, only that when they bring the final check, I recall being really pleasantly surprised at Obsession after having endured the cost of Prestige the previous day. And I recall thinking that I had not really purchased more or less from either of them.

All should also remember that the girls will almost always attempt to order Tecate or a double, unless they're familiar with you as a customer. This is especially true at Prestige. They will make the attempt, but always remember that the cost is astronomical. Just make sure that you tell them no doubles, and no Tecate. Just tell them you want single drinks. Just show them in sign language, if you don't know Spanish, that you only want the small ones. Otherwise, you will be sorry. The literal cost of a Tecate, a single can of beer, is 240 pesos....ouch!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Now, if it's a buffet lunch you're after, Prestige is really, really quite good! The drink costs are higher than Obsession, by quite a bit. But, if you just want a nice lunch, some good scenery, and even if you are relatively conservative with the numbers of drinks you purchase, then it's a good time.

But, just remember, at night, all the high end bars are really astronomically expensive. That's why I do not patronize them past 5pm, period. If I visit a high end bar, it's to enjoy the buffet, usually Prestige, and in the case of Obsession, the buffet is so disappointing that I am very conservative at what I choose to eat there. At Obsession these days, I just reserve my fun to socializing with the girls.

[MonterreyDude]

That is right.
There are no "salidas" at the high end clubs like Amnesia, Premiere, Prestige, Obsession.

The rest are negotiable, like the 800 peso tab at the Pasarelas and Harem, and so on, or the 350 pesos at the Infinito.
Iam not up to date with the charges done at Poisson, but more or less I do believe they are over 100 dlls, like you paid.



[QUOTE=UnospongeBob]Sure, we mean no criticism whatsoever. These are just comments of our experiences, and each has his own criteria to judge their own unique satisfaction levels achieved.

Honestly, it has been about 7 years since I even entertained the idea of actually going to meet with a girl from one of the high end clubs. I worked on one in Obsession when I first started coming to Monterrey. Compared to the effort made at actually getting her to eventually show up after work hours, and compared to the lesser amount of work invested in getting the girls from the lower end bars out on salida, the effort was about ten fold in the high end bars.

In the end, the literal cost was identical. However, the cost of drinks was significantly higher with respect to wining and dining a high end club girl versus just spending about 10 minutes interviewing a girl from the lower end bars, and away we go.

Frankly, the end result with respect to quality of experience has always been identical. Just because they're from the high end bars versus the lower end bars does NOT dictate the quality of experience, nor does it really dictate the "hardened" attitude you refer to, nor does it even dictate the quality of selection.

I know a lot more girls from the high end bars, the expensive Divas, that are significantly harder, colder, more clinical in their approaches, than many, many, many other options in the lower end bars. But, if you must have one of the Divas, then they are likely to cost you 3000-5000 pesos, plus drinks on getting them to agree to meet you outside the bar. Time spent? probably and hour or two, no more.

Just recently, I am working on a new girl at Colorados. She agrees to go with me for 1000 pesos. No, not only does she just agree, she is literally almost begging to make the money. She is not one of the Divas that control the club floor. There are always those girls that are so in control of the floor, using the shear power of their sex appeal and the force of their personalities, that they are, IMHO, way over priced, and likely a big disappointment.

The higher end bars forbid the girls to see customers outside their establishments, and many girls simply will not consider it because it's akin to risking their jobs. Some will eventually consider it, but only after they have you totally pegged, which takes a number of consistent visits, and a number of drinks to establish your credibility with them.

Therefore, if you are an infrequent visitor, you can not realistically expect to meet a girl on her day off, nor pay a salida for high end bar activities at your hotel. Carlos probably knows the schedule of pricing for on-site activities at the high end bars. I don't because I have no interest in that kind of experience, and have never really fully investigated it. I do know one thing, compared to what I can routinely get, it is extremely expensive, and likely to be very disappointing compared to the control of the scenario that I have from within my own hotel room environment.

Typically, I believe the cost to be around 600 pesos for 15 minutes in the privados at a high end bar. That includes a nude dance. The rest of the cost is upsold services that range the entire gambit, all the way to full service. Carlos can elaborate on those on-site, high end bar costs for full service.

To specifically answer your questions,

"but do not on the other hand want to pay just for the sake of comfortable chairs and fauning lackeys but do want the nicer friendlier less hardened prettier girls (which to some extent I got) where do you go?"

You're on the right track. Those are the high end bars. And, the selections and environments in them change with respect to selection. Most of the high end bars have private quarters for on-site activities. I would suggest that you really make the rounds, and then return to the one that, at any one particular time, seems most promising.

One thing is consistent, they all vary with respect to timing, and unless you canvass them in a "drive-by" kind of way, you may be spending your time in one place, when another is really better suited for what you're looking for.

With the lower end bars, I am known to simply cruise in the door, canvass the available talent, and to exit the building, all in less than 2 minutes. I may delay my departure long enough to scope out what may be hidden from view, busy in the privados simultaneous to my visit. But, I don't like wasting my time sitting in bars without some kind of obvious payoff potential.

This is more difficult to do in the high end bars due to the cover charge, and because of the way you are ushered in by fawning waiters. This difficulty escalates as you move from category to category, low end to medium, and medium to high end. So, there are limitations to canvassing them as I suggest.

To further address your questions...
"So if one said that on my terms Venus Palace and Poisson fitted the bill; what actually is available at Prestige, Amnesia, Premiere and Colorado ??"

With high end bars, everything, full service, etc....IS available, but only on-site to the extent of my comments above.

"Finally if I paid us$ 200 –220 for the girl plus us$120 –150 take out salida fee respectively at Poisson and Venus Palace what is the best price we should be aiming at ?"

As I mentioned above, salidas from the higher end places are not typically available. Carlos may know of some exceptions, and he can comment accordingly.

[Member #3453]

Sure, we mean no criticism whatsoever. These are just comments of our experiences, and each has his own criteria to judge their own unique satisfaction levels achieved.

Honestly, it has been about 7 years since I even entertained the idea of actually going to meet with a girl from one of the high end clubs. I worked on one in Obsession when I first started coming to Monterrey. Compared to the effort made at actually getting her to eventually show up after work hours, and compared to the lesser amount of work invested in getting the girls from the lower end bars out on salida, the effort was about ten fold in the high end bars.

In the end, the literal cost was identical. However, the cost of drinks was significantly higher with respect to wining and dining a high end club girl versus just spending about 10 minutes interviewing a girl from the lower end bars, and away we go.

Frankly, the end result with respect to quality of experience has always been identical. Just because they're from the high end bars versus the lower end bars does NOT dictate the quality of experience, nor does it really dictate the "hardened" attitude you refer to, nor does it even dictate the quality of selection.

I know a lot more girls from the high end bars, the expensive Divas, that are significantly harder, colder, more clinical in their approaches, than many, many, many other options in the lower end bars. But, if you must have one of the Divas, then they are likely to cost you 3000-5000 pesos, plus drinks on getting them to agree to meet you outside the bar. Time spent? probably and hour or two, no more.

Just recently, I am working on a new girl at Colorados. She agrees to go with me for 1000 pesos. No, not only does she just agree, she is literally almost begging to make the money. She is not one of the Divas that control the club floor. There are always those girls that are so in control of the floor, using the shear power of their sex appeal and the force of their personalities, that they are, IMHO, way over priced, and likely a big disappointment.

The higher end bars forbid the girls to see customers outside their establishments, and many girls simply will not consider it because it's akin to risking their jobs. Some will eventually consider it, but only after they have you totally pegged, which takes a number of consistent visits, and a number of drinks to establish your credibility with them.

Therefore, if you are an infrequent visitor, you can not realistically expect to meet a girl on her day off, nor pay a salida for high end bar activities at your hotel. Carlos probably knows the schedule of pricing for on-site activities at the high end bars. I don't because I have no interest in that kind of experience, and have never really fully investigated it. I do know one thing, compared to what I can routinely get, it is extremely expensive, and likely to be very disappointing compared to the control of the scenario that I have from within my own hotel room environment.

Typically, I believe the cost to be around 600 pesos for 15 minutes in the privados at a high end bar. That includes a nude dance. The rest of the cost is upsold services that range the entire gambit, all the way to full service. Carlos can elaborate on those on-site, high end bar costs for full service.

To specifically answer your questions,

"but do not on the other hand want to pay just for the sake of comfortable chairs and fauning lackeys but do want the nicer friendlier less hardened prettier girls (which to some extent I got) where do you go?"

You're on the right track. Those are the high end bars. And, the selections and environments in them change with respect to selection. Most of the high end bars have private quarters for on-site activities. I would suggest that you really make the rounds, and then return to the one that, at any one particular time, seems most promising.

One thing is consistent, they all vary with respect to timing, and unless you canvass them in a "drive-by" kind of way, you may be spending your time in one place, when another is really better suited for what you're looking for.

With the lower end bars, I am known to simply cruise in the door, canvass the available talent, and to exit the building, all in less than 2 minutes. I may delay my departure long enough to scope out what may be hidden from view, busy in the privados simultaneous to my visit. But, I don't like wasting my time sitting in bars without some kind of obvious payoff potential.

This is more difficult to do in the high end bars due to the cover charge, and because of the way you are ushered in by fawning waiters. This difficulty escalates as you move from category to category, low end to medium, and medium to high end. So, there are limitations to canvassing them as I suggest.

To further address your questions...
"So if one said that on my terms Venus Palace and Poisson fitted the bill; what actually is available at Prestige, Amnesia, Premiere and Colorado ??"

With high end bars, everything, full service, etc....IS available, but only on-site to the extent of my comments above.

"Finally if I paid us$ 200 –220 for the girl plus us$120 –150 take out salida fee respectively at Poisson and Venus Palace what is the best price we should be aiming at ?"

As I mentioned above, salidas from the higher end places are not typically available. Carlos may know of some exceptions, and he can comment accordingly.



[QUOTE=Hot Dog]

Am going to sum it up in a different way than USB... Hot Dog: you were had.

Ref my trip in April apologies for my delay in responding and I don’t have a problem with any of your comments on my waywardness; I am sure I probably over paid; but I still have a question. Assuming I want to go to a "high end club" and I am completely relaxed about “patronizing the absolutely MOST frickin' expensive clubs in Monterrey” and I have “tons of money to have fun at the Premiere, Amnesia, Colorados and at Obsession and Prestige” but do not on the other hand want to pay just for the sake of comfortable chairs and fauning lackeys but do want the nicer friendlier less hardened prettier girls (which to some extent I got) where do you go?

If you spend “tons of money” at the above clubs in their open booths are we just talking glorified lap dances or what ? Because I’m not interested in lap dances. Whilst I might want to watch a show, have a few drinks and possibly screw on the premises I am keener on take out to the best hotel that will suffer take outs!

So if one said that on my terms Venus Palace and Poisson fitted the bill; what actually is available at Prestige, Amnesia, Premiere and Colorado ??

I had read from you guys earlier posts that a couple of clubs definitely don’t do take out but what clubs have rooms and what have open booths and what take out ?

Or put another way: was what I was looking for actually available at Amnesia, Premiere and Colorado or not ?

Finally if I paid us$ 200 –220 for the girl plus us$120 –150 take out salida fee respectively at Poisson and Venus Palace what is the best price we should be aiming at ?

[Hot Dog]

[QUOTE=Amigomio]Am going to sum it up in a different way than USB... Hot Dog: you were had.

Ref my trip in April apologies for my delay in responding and I don’t have a problem with any of your comments on my waywardness; I am sure I probably over paid; but I still have a question. Assuming I want to go to a "high end club" and I am completely relaxed about “patronizing the absolutely MOST frickin' expensive clubs in Monterrey” and I have “tons of money to have fun at the Premiere, Amnesia, Colorados and at Obsession and Prestige” but do not on the other hand want to pay just for the sake of comfortable chairs and fauning lackeys but do want the nicer friendlier less hardened prettier girls (which to some extent I got) where do you go?

If you spend “tons of money” at the above clubs in their open booths are we just talking glorified lap dances or what ? Because I’m not interested in lap dances. Whilst I might want to watch a show, have a few drinks and possibly screw on the premises I am keener on take out to the best hotel that will suffer take outs!

So if one said that on my terms Venus Palace and Poisson fitted the bill; what actually is available at Prestige, Amnesia, Premiere and Colorado ??

I had read from you guys earlier posts that a couple of clubs definitely don’t do take out but what clubs have rooms and what have open booths and what take out ?

Or put another way: was what I was looking for actually available at Amnesia, Premiere and Colorado or not ?

Finally if I paid us$ 200 –220 for the girl plus us$120 –150 take out salida fee respectively at Poisson and Venus Palace what is the best price we should be aiming at ?