Monterrey

[TJnightwalker]

Wtf is wrong with you guys? I just came here with a fucking simple question and you are acting like a bunch of putas waiting to grab the only customer who dare to walk your lonely street? C'mon... grow up!

Over.

[Bbond]

At Reynosa they only have 2 places to go too: Lipstick and El Baston Club... and a bunch of low end bars.
And the guys going to Lipstick are complaining that the girls are charging now at or above 800 - 900 pesos.

Lipsticks? Try 1200 -1500, and up.

[MonterreyDude]

At Reynosa they only have 2 places to go too: Lipstick and El Baston Club... and a bunch of low end bars.
And the guys going to Lipstick are complaining that the girls are charging now at or above 800 - 900 pesos.

I've been hearing that the better venue these days with respect to the entertainment along the Texas border is Reynosa, and that NLBT is a shadow of it's former self. Too bad...

[Member #3453]

I've been hearing that the better venue these days with respect to the entertainment along the Texas border is Reynosa, and that NLBT is a shadow of it's former self. Too bad...

Dismal... I stand corrected (good word).

But anyway BB, frozen in time is a good description... and like I been insisting, the search for cheapness is killing NLBT.

You are not getting the best of girls and it is starting to dry up.

Look at the girls that are now moving to Acuña, looking for greener pastures and what's worse, I got girlfriends that are going to Porkerland (Saltillo, Coahulia 40 minutes away from Monterrey, home of the world famous Porker) a town no bigger than 350,000... cause they can get even better money than here in Monterrey.
(My girlfriend told me she can charge 1500-2000 pesos per full service at the club in Saltillo, as as opposed to the 800-900 she gets here in-call).

[MonterreyDude]

Dismal... I stand corrected (good word).

But anyway BB, frozen in time is a good description... and like I been insisting, the search for cheapness is killing NLBT.

You are not getting the best of girls and it is starting to dry up.

Look at the girls that are now moving to Acuña, looking for greener pastures and what's worse, I got girlfriends that are going to Porkerland (Saltillo, Coahulia 40 minutes away from Monterrey, home of the world famous Porker) a town no bigger than 350,000... cause they can get even better money than here in Monterrey.
(My girlfriend told me she can charge 1500-2000 pesos per full service at the club in Saltillo, as as opposed to the 800-900 she gets here in-call).

I disagree Carlos, NLBT is dismal, compared to years past, but far from dead.

[Bbond]

......Nuevo Laredo's Boystown, that it is virtualy dead and only the modern SCs are fruitfull and working.

I disagree Carlos, NLBT is dismal, compared to years past, but far from dead.

[MonterreyDude]

Well, the difference between TJ and Monterrey, and with all due respect to those that go to TJ, is that Tijuana has been getting bottom of the barrel kind of girls, for a long while now.
I have been discussing this at other forums, that all the border towns (NL, Reynosa, Matamoros, Juarez, Tijuana) have frozen in time, with the mongers still paying early 90's prices.
Nowhere in main Mexico can you find good quality girls that charge you 40-60 dlls. Mean price right now is above 90-100 dlls. and up... way up.
Ergo, the best girls have stopped going to border towns, but instead are now aiming for the beach resorts like Los Cabos, Mazatlan, Cancun, Playa del Carmen, Acapulco, where they can charge top dollar: 200-300 dlls.
So even in Monterrey we don't get top quality, only good and above good.

The demiss of the Zonas is inminent and nowhere can this be more visible than at Nuevo Laredo's Boystown, that it is virtualy dead and only the modern SCs are fruitfull and working.

All the Strip Clubs exploit the customer, some more than others, and in varying ways and degrees (ie: Poission versus El Infinito). It is similiarly true of the MPs, all the way down to the individual girls themselves.

The experience in MTY is a constant bargaining session, and to enter into it otherwise is to set yourself up for the fleasing. Sometimes my posts are misconstrued here with respect to my comments about the quality of certain sessions, when really the goals that I always have in mind center around what I can achieve with respect to time spent versus cost, and as those factors relate to GFE, girl quality, repeat performances, affection levels, etc...I am not necessarily looking to get them as cheaply as possible, but simply to find them that deliver the best quality for a reasonable price. To bargain them down too far, simply sabotages the ultimate delivery of the session. So, there is a happy median range of cost that you have to adhere to in order to get the satisfaction level you're looking for.

But, with respect to costs you can expect to find in Monterrey, here is the cost structure the way I interpret it.

If I were to attend an MP, in order to get the level of quality I prefer, and the service I would have to enjoy in order to justify the expenditure, taking into consideration the cost of my traveling to MTY to begin with, I would have to spend no less than 550-650 pesos, including tip.

My expectation level in that price range, frankly, would be relatively conservative. If I were to anticipate getting what I know would be satisfying to me, I expect that I would have to spend at least 700-1500 pesos, plus tip.

I once enjoyed an MP experience at one of the higher end MPs several years ago, Versace, and it cost me 800 pesos for 45 minutes. That pricing is outdated because it had to have been over 4 years ago. It was a "good" experience with a "hot" girl. But, in order to achieve the level of experience that I prefer, the ones that make the travel cost worthwhile, I know in my heart of hearts that I would have to spend probably at least 1200-1700 pesos in a place like Romanos or Misses for example. I choose not to spend the money in the MPs for that reason because I can achieve superior over all quality sessions spending it on the girls in the clubs, because I can get significantly more time out of them than I can in the high end MPs.

If one is a TJ "door girl" kind of monger, then maybe the 500 pesos will suffice in Monterrey MPs. But, literally, you will get street walker/room girl service, and you should expect to bargain hard to make sure they deliver what was promises in your initial negotiations. Keep in mind, some places like Signore are recommended because they are generally superior to the other MPs in quality of experience, getting what you anticipate in exchange for the price paid. But, for every Signore, there are 3-5 MPs where you must watch their every move.

And, a word of warning, don't even attempt to visit MTY with any kind of TJ pre-conceived expectations because you will be disappointed with respect to the cost/service comparison. As Carlos said, Monterrey is a very expensive place to monger in Mexico, and TJ has a price structure that does not compare to MTY, missing an entire range of pricing that is available to you in TJ and not in MTY.

If you analyze the price structure in TJ, there is an entire middle tear of pricing that does not exist in Monterrey. Your lowest range of acceptable service, at least for my opinion, is going to be in the 500 pesos range in MTY. In TJ, there exists a incrementally well dispersed price range that makes choices below the 500 pesos expenditure a viable option where some would anticipate an acceptible level of satisfaction...but, not in Monterrey.

With respect to room girls, we only have the ones that stand outside a few of the hotels at Pino Suarez and Reforma, and outside the bars in the alley to the east of Pino Suarez on Reforma. They are girls that, for the most part, are not attractive, and they number fewer than probably 10-15 girls on a good night or afternoon. The cost in that venue may be akin to TJ, but be prepared to bargain hard to get what was promised.

With regard to street walkers, the "girls" that street walk in Monterrey are primarily "she-males," and there are maybe 5-6 of them on a weekend night. The policia sweep the city looking to remove all streetwalkers from the streets, so they are not a common sight. There may be about 3-4 actual female street walkers on a Saturday night along Madero to the East of El Central, and possibly some walking along the road parallel to Madero immediately to the South, but they are all older, fatter, etc...and, as I said, many, many of them are transvestites.

I don't really know those costs, but I assume they are probably in the 200-300 pesos range. Carlos can confirm or deny that one. Frankly, I don't know if any of us really knows because none of us have tried going that route. When we see them, we just jokingly refer to them as one another's girlfriends, and whisk past them on the way to the clubs. They truly are that poor in quality, except for the transvestities. As is the norm in many other venues such as Thailand, the transvestities actually "look" better than some girls, especially at a glance. So beware if you frequent the streetwalker scene in MTY and Bangkok

[Willa1]

All,

I had the opportunity last week for a quick trip to Monterrey. Arriving Tuesday morning. And thanks guys. Your tips on the clubs were right on. I had excellent experiences at Harem, Excaliber, Poisson's in prior trips. And had the privilage of being escorted by Carlos on my last trip last year, so after reviewing the last couple of weeks of postings, & in spite of my poor spanish, went to Infinito (first excellent recommendation! )around 10: 15 Tuesday night. Ohter than the 'pat down' at the door, an excellent experience. Perfect timing too- got a chance to settle in & in time for the shift change (second excellent recommendation).

One of the waiters (Erik) took pity on me. And set me up between the stages. & kept me out of big trouble. Not speaking spanish is a decided disadvantage. Not from a safety or an opportunity standpoint (all options are still open) & if you stay in control-you won't get ripped off. But you do miss the playful interaction with the girls. Overall, no 10's, but severaal girls who I could have fun with. Anyway. 4 privados with 4 different girls. 2 interesting (50 pesos for 4 minutes). One not so (with a very young, inexperienced, very slim girl). And one that was very good. At least as good as FS in a chair can be. 'C' was extremely attentive. And understanding in getting this middle aged guy prepared (very energetic). And was very 'determined' (in a good way) to make sure I was satisfied. Once complete. Though. She was on to better things. Damage 430 pesos. Overall, given my lack of local language skills, by far the best 'value' for a quick night out.

Did go across the street around 1:30 (Givenchy? ). And was idsappointed. Did not see anyone interesting. So called it a night.

End result. Recommended for all. Spanish would help. But not necessary for a good time.

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[Member #3453]

All the Strip Clubs exploit the customer, some more than others, and in varying ways and degrees (ie: Poission versus El Infinito). It is similiarly true of the MPs, all the way down to the individual girls themselves.

The experience in MTY is a constant bargaining session, and to enter into it otherwise is to set yourself up for the fleasing. Sometimes my posts are misconstrued here with respect to my comments about the quality of certain sessions, when really the goals that I always have in mind center around what I can achieve with respect to time spent versus cost, and as those factors relate to GFE, girl quality, repeat performances, affection levels, etc...I am not necessarily looking to get them as cheaply as possible, but simply to find them that deliver the best quality for a reasonable price. To bargain them down too far, simply sabotages the ultimate delivery of the session. So, there is a happy median range of cost that you have to adhere to in order to get the satisfaction level you're looking for.

But, with respect to costs you can expect to find in Monterrey, here is the cost structure the way I interpret it.

If I were to attend an MP, in order to get the level of quality I prefer, and the service I would have to enjoy in order to justify the expenditure, taking into consideration the cost of my traveling to MTY to begin with, I would have to spend no less than 550-650 pesos, including tip.

My expectation level in that price range, frankly, would be relatively conservative. If I were to anticipate getting what I know would be satisfying to me, I expect that I would have to spend at least 700-1500 pesos, plus tip.

I once enjoyed an MP experience at one of the higher end MPs several years ago, Versace, and it cost me 800 pesos for 45 minutes. That pricing is outdated because it had to have been over 4 years ago. It was a "good" experience with a "hot" girl. But, in order to achieve the level of experience that I prefer, the ones that make the travel cost worthwhile, I know in my heart of hearts that I would have to spend probably at least 1200-1700 pesos in a place like Romanos or Misses for example. I choose not to spend the money in the MPs for that reason because I can achieve superior over all quality sessions spending it on the girls in the clubs, because I can get significantly more time out of them than I can in the high end MPs.

If one is a TJ "door girl" kind of monger, then maybe the 500 pesos will suffice in Monterrey MPs. But, literally, you will get street walker/room girl service, and you should expect to bargain hard to make sure they deliver what was promises in your initial negotiations. Keep in mind, some places like Signore are recommended because they are generally superior to the other MPs in quality of experience, getting what you anticipate in exchange for the price paid. But, for every Signore, there are 3-5 MPs where you must watch their every move.

And, a word of warning, don't even attempt to visit MTY with any kind of TJ pre-conceived expectations because you will be disappointed with respect to the cost/service comparison. As Carlos said, Monterrey is a very expensive place to monger in Mexico, and TJ has a price structure that does not compare to MTY, missing an entire range of pricing that is available to you in TJ and not in MTY.

If you analyze the price structure in TJ, there is an entire middle tear of pricing that does not exist in Monterrey. Your lowest range of acceptable service, at least for my opinion, is going to be in the 500 pesos range in MTY. In TJ, there exists a incrementally well dispersed price range that makes choices below the 500 pesos expenditure a viable option where some would anticipate an acceptible level of satisfaction...but, not in Monterrey.

With respect to room girls, we only have the ones that stand outside a few of the hotels at Pino Suarez and Reforma, and outside the bars in the alley to the east of Pino Suarez on Reforma. They are girls that, for the most part, are not attractive, and they number fewer than probably 10-15 girls on a good night or afternoon. The cost in that venue may be akin to TJ, but be prepared to bargain hard to get what was promised.

With regard to street walkers, the "girls" that street walk in Monterrey are primarily "she-males," and there are maybe 5-6 of them on a weekend night. The policia sweep the city looking to remove all streetwalkers from the streets, so they are not a common sight. There may be about 3-4 actual female street walkers on a Saturday night along Madero to the East of El Central, and possibly some walking along the road parallel to Madero immediately to the South, but they are all older, fatter, etc...and, as I said, many, many of them are transvestites.

I don't really know those costs, but I assume they are probably in the 200-300 pesos range. Carlos can confirm or deny that one. Frankly, I don't know if any of us really knows because none of us have tried going that route. When we see them, we just jokingly refer to them as one another's girlfriends, and whisk past them on the way to the clubs. They truly are that poor in quality, except for the transvestities. As is the norm in many other venues such as Thailand, the transvestities actually "look" better than some girls, especially at a glance. So beware if you frequent the streetwalker scene in MTY and Bangkok

TJ... am not respectful, Iam blunt, 100%.
And all the mongers visiting Monterrey know that am 100% honest and a straight arrow.
I never lie to them, never send them up the wrong way.
Notice my posts to USB.. always been honest to him, and if you go way back to his first trip to Monterrey, I told him up front he was wasting his time and money on stupid SC's that exploited the customer...

Santa Engracia... I go to church there.... that means you are business upscale.
No wonder you don't like to be talked back to.... and your response proves it.
I wrote on the offensive cause I've been reading your posts here at the ISG... you are a SW man at Tijuana.
Am sorry, SW are bottom of the barrel here in Mty.... please excuse my reaction.

TJ: we are in mongerland, not businessland... the Colonia del Valle district has becomed Beverly Hills meets Nightmare on Elm Street.
(You should go to church... right in the middle of the service you can hear the mobiles ringing and they don't care to answer as if they are at the movies).
Everyone is an equal at the Monterrey strip clubs and escort service section, so soldier up and take up the flack... if not the girls will eat your money up!!!

Ask your questions, I'll be glad to help you out...

[MonterreyDude]

TJ... am not respectful, Iam blunt, 100%.
And all the mongers visiting Monterrey know that am 100% honest and a straight arrow.
I never lie to them, never send them up the wrong way.
Notice my posts to USB.. always been honest to him, and if you go way back to his first trip to Monterrey, I told him up front he was wasting his time and money on stupid SC's that exploited the customer...

Santa Engracia... I go to church there.... that means you are business upscale.
No wonder you don't like to be talked back to.... and your response proves it.
I wrote on the offensive cause I've been reading your posts here at the ISG... you are a SW man at Tijuana.
Am sorry, SW are bottom of the barrel here in Mty.... please excuse my reaction.

TJ: we are in mongerland, not businessland... the Colonia del Valle district has becomed Beverly Hills meets Nightmare on Elm Street.
(You should go to church... right in the middle of the service you can hear the mobiles ringing and they don't care to answer as if they are at the movies).
Everyone is an equal at the Monterrey strip clubs and escort service section, so soldier up and take up the flack... if not the girls will eat your money up!!!

Ask your questions, I'll be glad to help you out...

That's a better and respectful way to inform. I appreciate it.

Btw, I worked in Mty for 2 years, happily living in Santa Engracia.

Thanks again.

[TJnightwalker]

That's a better and respectful way to inform. I appreciate it.

Btw, I worked in Mty for 2 years, happily living in Santa Engracia.

Thanks again.

[MonterreyDude]

TJnightwalker.

Iam a smart guy... yes indeed.
Am local, I live here, so I know how the business works and it works on a base price and the girls make their money on extras.

So pay attention to the deal: It might be years afterward but the 400 peso deal is the starting price for the girl... 200 pesos of 12 years ago are 400 pesos right now, so tip the girl for her services.

Again, you'll find out that Monterrey has change a lot and it is expensive.
Your first conctact with that will be the taxi from the airport to your hotel.

Ask the girl if extras are in order and even if not, at least give her 100 peso tip.

And again, hotels have changed a lot too. To be on the even side and help you out, post the hotel you are staying at... save you some time and money cause 95% of the hotels totally forbid female visitors.

One more thing: When you came in 1995 the business was new and booming and the few services that offered out calls to the hotels really did offer good quality. Now there are literally a dozen business or more with outcalls, but the girl quality is inferior ( the girls make much more money working at strip clubs).

Better quality is offered by this services:

http://www.lucesazules.com/715.html

http://www.regioscorts.com/

www.lindas.com.mx

But you are talking 90 dollars and up.

Think about it. $200 pesos back in '95 are not the same $200 as in '07. I am asking for the current price without intention to pay the same amount as 12 years ago, do not play the smart guy, I am not stupid. Think twice before writing your freely and openly comments.

For the current price, thank you.

[TJnightwalker]

If you paid only 200 pesos for a service that time, I will freely and openly call you a cheapskate, cause the girl only gets 100 pesos for herself.

Think about it. $200 pesos back in '95 are not the same $200 as in '07. I am asking for the current price without intention to pay the same amount as 12 years ago, do not play the smart guy, I am not stupid. Think twice before writing your freely and openly comments.

For the current price, thank you.

[MonterreyDude]

Oh God... you are a dear good friend USB, but the truth is you totally blew it with the G girl.

#1. You never paid heed to advice.
#2. You dedicated too much time to her.
#3. She always had the upper hand.
#4. You violated the first law of ho's: you bar fined a girl from the same club she works in... we have a saying in Spanish that says "eyes that do not see; heart that doesn't feel"... she never knew exactly what you did after she left you... you had more than a bushel out there besides the Infinito girls and you had to land one from that club.... at that moment the G girl knew what she was dealing with: a backstabber.
#5. Please, lets us stick to the true facts: you were "unfaithful" (as in "this guy is wasting money on other ho???? what about me???... that money should be mine!!!) so, she just let you go.
#6. So now you are blaming her cause she opted to change her look? Is it her fault that you only see her for 5 days out of each every other month???
#7. Stop the messiah complex, right now... you do not have and will not have the influence to help anyone in the business... ever.
#8. Damn it!!! there are girls out their that enjoy your company...!!!! WE (and I mean you, me, Wasted, et al) are not getting younger... LOWER your weird standars and open your eyes at new options!!!
#9. Am going to bed (2:50 am)... ponder on this.
#10. Well... did you? Thought about it????

Muchas Gracias for your condolences Porker...But, as I've had more time to contemplate the loss, I realize that what I lost was of little consequence to me in the big scheme of things, and quite possibly a blessing in disguise.

Your former comments comforted me a great deal...I remember vividly, as we passed all the street walking she-males on the road to my hotel in that taxi from Pasarelas, that I am a very lucky man indeed with respect to the emotional support, and the solice, I receive upon my return to the States, returning to the comfort of a loving wife and family. I am truly blessed. Thank you for pointing that out...I was truly comforted by it.

As I reflect back on the my "G" girl's personality changes over the last two years, it seems that she has changed significantly compared to when I first met her. Initially, she was quite timid, almost humble in her demeanor, very sweet, seemingly needing a "conventional" and loving existence.

Over time, with all the changes, the fake boobs, the colored contact lenses, the desire for a fake ass, she choosing greed over affairs of the heart, etc...I am able to reconcile that perhaps she was turning into something that I did not particularly want to actually witness in the end anyway.

These girls are intrinsically, very, very greedy. It is their greed that supercedes all else, even to their own detriment. One thing this girl sought more than anything in life was a sincere, faithful boyfriend, and ultimately, a husband of the same description. If she had found him, she would have foresaken her dark side for it. I know that without a doubt. That is why she became so angry with me when I told her about bar fining another girl, and it is ultimately why I am isolated from her now. Our relationship, much to my surprise, went way beyond a normal provider/client relationship.

But, the irony is, she is so warped psychologically, mentally, and emotionally, that she has no intrinsic capacity to achieve true happiness in her character. She does not know where to look, how to conduct herself, and more importantly, she does not have the strength of character to deny her addiction of greed in favor of nourishing her heart. She can not settle for a financially typical existence, not even to satisfy the one thing she craves more than any other thing in the whole world, a faithful guy to put her on a pedastal.

Like so many of these bar girls, she is self destructive, sabataging any hope of actually achieving her heart's desire. I thought I had seen something different in her in the beginning, but I now realize that she is like all the rest of them, incapable of making the personal behavioral decisions that might ultimately make her truly happy in life. That is the tragedy, and that is what makes me sad for her after having known her intimately, and I do not mean sexually.

I had worked on my "G" girls psyche for a year, and she was definitely torn between continuing in her present direction, versus changing her life. I could see the confusion going on in her heart and mind. She was torn between making changes that would have made her at least a slightly more virtuous girl, and possibly eligible to actually find the desires of her heart, versus conducting herself in a manner that no self respecting male would ever condone.

But, when I bar fined another girl, I burst a very big bubble, a bubble that consisted of her own blissful dilusions, and the love in her heart was replaced by something else. The greed in her ultimately won out. She decided that she could no longer permit the visiting Gringo to side track her from her addiction...greed.

The power of her addiction (greed), and the influence of those around her, those working to continually corrupt her further, probably to their own enrichment, during times when I did not have an opportunity to have an influence upon her, further corrupted her thinking.

I could see the tug of war in her that was going on each time I would visit Monterrey. I had significant influence on her when I was here, but when I would leave, she would be sucked back into the abis. The power of her dark side, mostly due to my stupidity at bar fining another girl, and bursting her bubble, eventually consumed her, and drove her to the comfort of her addiction. The greed won out.

I can't help but feel that her decision to pursue her dark side more vigorously is the direct result of my insensitivities to her true desires in life. My skepticism about her sincerity, my thinking that she was just another bar girl, my believing that she might have been insincere, my wondering if she was coniving, my believing that she was probably acting, etc...all lead to my making the decision to bar fine another girl, when in reality, she was actually quite salvageable, verdad in her heart, and totally devastated at my insensitive behavior toward her.

I betrayed her. I am now totally convinced that she was actually in the right frame of mind that had the right eligible male actually come along, and had she been able to deny the influences of others that corrupt her thinking, she might possible have been able to experience those things that I know would have made her happy in life.

But now, I fear that what I initially found so charming in her will eventually spoil beyond salvageability as a result of not only my not comprehending the depth of her feelings, but by she continuing to embrace a lifestyle, the effects of which will ultimately make her ineligible for happiness, as it further undermines what I found so attractive in her initially. For that I am truly sorry. I miss my "G" Girl :-(

[MonterreyDude]

TJnightwalker, of course you know you are talking 12 years ago, right?

If you paid only 200 pesos for a service that time, I will freely and openly call you a cheapskate, cause the girl only gets 100 pesos for herself.

But yes, you can still find out calls to hotels that will serve you, all listed at El Sol afternoon newpaper, but now for 400 pesos and 100 for the taxi (Monterrey has changed a lot in 12 years, sir).

PLUS EXTRAS!!!! Besides the girl will ask for them if you want a better service.

Another thing, most if not all of the hotels will not let girls go to your room...

Plus, Monterrey has becomed the most expensive city in Mexico... you'll notice the changes when you come back...

How's the current price and quality from those newspaper ads where they deliver two or three girls to your hotel/home so you can choose the best?

Back in '95 I paid $200 pesos + the taxi's $50. One hour, all positions, all nude. I had great experiences... What about in the present?