Monterrey

[MonterreyDude]

Still you don't get it: "When you go to Infinito, tell Angry Girl that I sent her a "Feliz Cumpleanos" text message on June 30th. That is her birthday. TELL HER I REMEMBERED, when all others forget about her."

This is something I don't get... well, all the guys here don't get:
Why do you waste so much time with "past history" hookers?????

Let me point out that Iam not calling the club girls, "girls" anymore.
Am calling them "ho's" or "hookers", see if USB get it staight he is not dealing with civilian girls, he is dealing and buying time with prostitutes.

Angry Girl and USB had a fight sometime ago over "X,Y, Z" stuff and had a hard break.
During the interim Angry G seems to have either gotten married or is now living with someone on the "serious" side.
Angry girl stares angrily at USB any time they meet at the Infinito cause her ego was seriously damaged by USB and that will stay as is for a long while.

Do you think a hookers heart will mend with a few nice words?
Nope, never will. They are not used to sweet kindness, they are used to rough kindness.
Angry G will only start paying attention if you totally, TOTALLY ignore the fact that she exists.
It's a thing that you don't do cause every time USB sets foot at the Infinito, he asks both waiters and hookers for her and I've told you many times that these people working under the same roof DO communicate.
You have never understoond this, but the hookers tell each other EVERYTHING they do or not do with a customer.
And what they are not told, they INVENT and spin tales, WHALE of a TALE they do, sometimes for good, but usually for evil.

Just look at this: "TELL HER I REMEMBERED, when all others forget about her."
What is this supposed to mean? What do you mean "all others forget about her"?
You see, again, you think you have full control over what a hooker thinks and does and you are very wrong....

Anyway, I didn't know about Angry G's birthday and I wouldn't anyhow, cause she wasn't there yesterday Saturday working, perhaps havin fun with the same people that "forget about her".

Again my friend: you are operating the other way around as you should with hookers. You are waiting for their acceptance when it should always be YOUR acceptance they should be worried about.

Hey, Pilgrim...are you a callin' my "girlfriend" a hooker??? :-)

No...I am not being harsh in my judgements, not harsh...just realistic. I am joking when I say I won't be back...sort of...kind of...maybe, maybe not...probably not. You know how I like to bait you Carlos. I am right now in my adjustment stage...give me another, ohhhhh, two weeks, and I will be back to normal, missing my "opportunities" in Monterrey again, and less sensitive to the effects of Angel Girl.

But, honestely, from a purely intellectual perspective, the emotional roller coaster I go through with respect to "missing" what I can not have here in the States, what you are able to experience regularly because you live at ground zero, is "HUGE."

I'll tell you what...we could be like foreign exchange students...You can live here in the States in my barn, and I will live in your tool shed, ok?...Think about it and let me know.

Seriously, if you really think about the prospect of leaving what you can have at will by living in Monterrey, you might understand the roller coaster effect I go through. I mean, for a week at a time, I am truely happy, then when I come back here to the States I find nothing but worry, responsibility, and no little hard bodied nymphos tending to my needs. It is brutal!!!

I remember a profound comment Porker once made in the PI. I believe he said that as he was lying in bed with his two, three, four, or five girls, it occurred to him in an epiphany, a realization that, at that very moment, he was truly happy in life. No truer words were ever spoken...Like "the words of the prophets written on the subway walls...and tenament halls," verdad? (Simon and Garfunkel, 1966, The Sound of Silence)

Porker's realization is painful for me, and ignorance is bliss. The longer I stay apart from my Angel Girl, the better I feel...the more "ignorant" I become....Watch IT!!!! No insulting comments please!!!

It isn't because I am necessarily "in love" with her per se, not in the sense that so many project onto my comments, although she is very "special" to me as a person, it is more because I am taunted with what I can not experiece regularly. MJ hit on it a little bit before in one of his former responses when he admitted his own melancholy at having to return to the US at a time when he did not live in Morelia. The "cold turkey" factor is huge.

And, for some reason, my Angel Girl has made it worse for me than it has ever been....Well, maybe Cindy #1 had a similar effect. But, not any longer. I just think of Cindy #1 now with a little bit of fond sentimentality, but I don't miss seeing her anymore.

I do miss the GFE from Angel Girl, and it only illustrates to me just how austere the prospects are here in the States...Damned depressing ain't it?

I still wish the guys would postpone their July 12th trip back to Monterrey...If they were going to come back so we could be a "Gang" again, I would consider coming back on the weekend of July 21st or the 28th, but I can't get away sooner.

Carlos, start thinking about whether you NEED anything up this way. And...

When you go to Infinito, tell Angry Girl that I sent her a "Feliz Cumpleanos" text message on June 30th. That is her birthday. TELL HER I REMEMBERED, when all others forget about her. She will still give me the finger, but I want her to know that the feelings from this end are still ones of fond sentimentality, and that I have only the best wishes for her.

I mean nothing by it...so, don't assume I am making any effort with her other than to be nice to her. I am not. Angel Girl is my preference, and I am merely trying to be nice to Angry Girl...that's it. Problem is, I don't know if the cell numbers I have for Angry Girl are even any good anymore, probably not. But, I would like to know if she received the messages, and you, with your wiley ways, might be able to get it out of her.

[Precocious One]

"You are judging whether you come back or not on the "yes or no" of a hooker."

On the face of it, that sounds kind of funny.

[Member #3453]

I say: Another harsh answer...
I hope you are kidding and/or joking.
You are judging whether you come back or not on the "yes or no" of a hooker.
Means she is controlling your decisions... you have no say in the game.

Hey, Pilgrim...are you a callin' my "girlfriend" a hooker??? :-)

No...I am not being harsh in my judgements, not harsh...just realistic. I am joking when I say I won't be back...sort of...kind of...maybe, maybe not...probably not. You know how I like to bait you Carlos. I am right now in my adjustment stage...give me another, ohhhhh, two weeks, and I will be back to normal, missing my "opportunities" in Monterrey again, and less sensitive to the effects of Angel Girl.

But, honestely, from a purely intellectual perspective, the emotional roller coaster I go through with respect to "missing" what I can not have here in the States, what you are able to experience regularly because you live at ground zero, is "HUGE."

I'll tell you what...we could be like foreign exchange students...You can live here in the States in my barn, and I will live in your tool shed, ok?...Think about it and let me know.

Seriously, if you really think about the prospect of leaving what you can have at will by living in Monterrey, you might understand the roller coaster effect I go through. I mean, for a week at a time, I am truely happy, then when I come back here to the States I find nothing but worry, responsibility, and no little hard bodied nymphos tending to my needs. It is brutal!!!

I remember a profound comment Porker once made in the PI. I believe he said that as he was lying in bed with his two, three, four, or five girls, it occurred to him in an epiphany, a realization that, at that very moment, he was truly happy in life. No truer words were ever spoken...Like "the words of the prophets written on the subway walls...and tenament halls," verdad? (Simon and Garfunkel, 1966, The Sound of Silence)

Porker's realization is painful for me, and ignorance is bliss. The longer I stay apart from my Angel Girl, the better I feel...the more "ignorant" I become....Watch IT!!!! No insulting comments please!!!

It isn't because I am necessarily "in love" with her per se, not in the sense that so many project onto my comments, although she is very "special" to me as a person, it is more because I am taunted with what I can not experiece regularly. MJ hit on it a little bit before in one of his former responses when he admitted his own melancholy at having to return to the US at a time when he did not live in Morelia. The "cold turkey" factor is huge.

And, for some reason, my Angel Girl has made it worse for me than it has ever been....Well, maybe Cindy #1 had a similar effect. But, not any longer. I just think of Cindy #1 now with a little bit of fond sentimentality, but I don't miss seeing her anymore.

I do miss the GFE from Angel Girl, and it only illustrates to me just how austere the prospects are here in the States...Damned depressing ain't it?

I still wish the guys would postpone their July 12th trip back to Monterrey...If they were going to come back so we could be a "Gang" again, I would consider coming back on the weekend of July 21st or the 28th, but I can't get away sooner.

Carlos, start thinking about whether you NEED anything up this way. And...

When you go to Infinito, tell Angry Girl that I sent her a "Feliz Cumpleanos" text message on June 30th. That is her birthday. TELL HER I REMEMBERED, when all others forget about her. She will still give me the finger, but I want her to know that the feelings from this end are still ones of fond sentimentality, and that I have only the best wishes for her.

I mean nothing by it...so, don't assume I am making any effort with her other than to be nice to her. I am not. Angel Girl is my preference, and I am merely trying to be nice to Angry Girl...that's it. Problem is, I don't know if the cell numbers I have for Angry Girl are even any good anymore, probably not. But, I would like to know if she received the messages, and you, with your wiley ways, might be able to get it out of her.

[MonterreyDude]

USB says: "I have decided NOT to return to Monterrey unless my Angel Girl begs me to come back. I am done with guessing as to whether she is going to be able to make herself available to me when I do return, and whether there is any sincerity in her actions and words. So, I have decided that if she is sincere, she will ask for me, and if not, it makes no difference. Her neglect will prove the point, verdad?"

I say: Another harsh answer...
I hope you are kidding and/or joking.
You are judging whether you come back or not on the "yes or no" of a hooker.
Means she is controlling your decisions... you have no say in the game.

Why soooooo frickin' soon dudes? I thought WastedG was giving up on the place...last trip and all that. Why returning so soon, July 12th already?

As for me, I was just there. I am a tired, old, kindly, gentleman...I need my rest, and relaxation to recouperate, and I need to build up my strength, my three squares of oat meal per day...a little attention for mama too.

I haven't had a chance to bake a fresh, piping hot, delicious tray of cookies for the upcoming visit yet either. Plus...

I am just now starting to recouperate from missing my Angel Girl...trying to forget her GFE...I AIN'T easy!!!

Besides, I've still got to to rob a few more banks in order to pay the ridiculously expensive cost of pay for play in Monterrey.

(Just kidding Home Land Security, FBI, CIA, IRS, NSA, ATF, DOD, NORAD, AARP, and/or FDIC, and whomever else is monitoring these posts) :-)))))

I have decided NOT to return to Monterrey unless my Angel Girl begs me to come back. I am done with guessing as to whether she is going to be able to make herself available to me when I do return, and whether there is any sincerity in her actions and words. So, I have decided that if she is sincere, she will ask for me, and if not, it makes no difference. Her neglect will prove the point, verdad?

If I do decide to come back, my plan would be to return the 21st of July, or maybe even as late as the weekend of the 28th. But, without her sincerity in the mix, I have decided that, although I will miss mis amigos, I am just going to stay home...well...maybe...we'll see. But, as for Mid-July, no can do...Sorry.

The longer I stay home, the stronger and more resistant I become to missing my Angel Girl. I become incrementally more desensitized to realizing what I don't have here at home. And...frankly, to visit this soon again just sets me up for more disappointment and heartache...missing my Angel Girl and her GFE. I am proabably better off if I am blissfully ignorant about what I don't have, and thankful with respect to what I do have. So, once again, you find me in an intellectually contemplative funk, trying to determine my best course of action...

[Member #3453]

Why soooooo frickin' soon dudes? I thought WastedG was giving up on the place...last trip and all that. Why returning so soon, July 12th already?

As for me, I was just there. I am a tired, old, kindly, gentleman...I need my rest, and relaxation to recouperate, and I need to build up my strength, my three squares of oat meal per day...a little attention for mama too.

I haven't had a chance to bake a fresh, piping hot, delicious tray of cookies for the upcoming visit yet either. Plus...

I am just now starting to recouperate from missing my Angel Girl...trying to forget her GFE...I AIN'T easy!!!

Besides, I've still got to to rob a few more banks in order to pay the ridiculously expensive cost of pay for play in Monterrey.

(Just kidding Home Land Security, FBI, CIA, IRS, NSA, ATF, DOD, NORAD, AARP, and/or FDIC, and whomever else is monitoring these posts) :-)))))

I have decided NOT to return to Monterrey unless my Angel Girl begs me to come back. I am done with guessing as to whether she is going to be able to make herself available to me when I do return, and whether there is any sincerity in her actions and words. So, I have decided that if she is sincere, she will ask for me, and if not, it makes no difference. Her neglect will prove the point, verdad?

If I do decide to come back, my plan would be to return the 21st of July, or maybe even as late as the weekend of the 28th. But, without her sincerity in the mix, I have decided that, although I will miss mis amigos, I am just going to stay home...well...maybe...we'll see. But, as for Mid-July, no can do...Sorry.

The longer I stay home, the stronger and more resistant I become to missing my Angel Girl. I become incrementally more desensitized to realizing what I don't have here at home. And...frankly, to visit this soon again just sets me up for more disappointment and heartache...missing my Angel Girl and her GFE. I am proabably better off if I am blissfully ignorant about what I don't have, and thankful with respect to what I do have. So, once again, you find me in an intellectually contemplative funk, trying to determine my best course of action...

Let's cut to the chase, USB.

Are you coming back to MTY in Mid-July with us or not?

If not, that of course, leaves more playing field open for the rest of us...

[Member #3453]

WastedG,


"Here. This is what you are talking about? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AShBoF1FPSE"

Loved IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

"Then, this is what you go through? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cAZoX6JH9yg"

Laughed hysterically at IT!!!!!

"However, I will say, I given up ...."

You should give up..."what are you sinking???"

[Round the World]

Let's cut to the chase, USB.

Are you coming back to MTY in Mid-July with us or not?

If not, that of course, leaves more playing field open for the rest of us...

[El Cabron 007]

OK Bob. OK.....

Here. This is what you are talking about? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AShBoF1FPSE

Then, this is what you go through? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cAZoX6JH9yg

However, I will say, I given up ....

Wasted

So, we are back to is Struther Martin's...

"What we haaaaav hiaaaaaaa is a feeeeeelr to communicate," the famous movie line from Cool Hand Luke.

Wasted, Do you know the line??? If not, you must rent the movie.

It is classic, extremely entertaining, and ohhhhh so appropriate to your post.

It occurs to me that I have a failure to communicate with so many of the girls, just talking to them with basic Spanish, body language, etc...sometimes making really deep conversation almost impossible really. But, it always amazes me just how close I can sometimes get to the girls just communicating in the universal language....Thank God!

[Member #3453]

My wife has a communication problem. She drives me nuts

So, we are back to is Struther Martin's...

"What we haaaaav hiaaaaaaa is a feeeeeelr to communicate," the famous movie line from Cool Hand Luke.

Wasted, Do you know the line??? If not, you must rent the movie.

It is classic, extremely entertaining, and ohhhhh so appropriate to your post.

It occurs to me that I have a failure to communicate with so many of the girls, just talking to them with basic Spanish, body language, etc...sometimes making really deep conversation almost impossible really. But, it always amazes me just how close I can sometimes get to the girls just communicating in the universal language....Thank God!

[El Cabron 007]

My wife has a communication problem. She drives me nuts:

1-She seems to forget what the discussion was about in the first place.
2-She only listens to the first sentence I say. Anything I say after that falls on deaf ears.
3-When we argue, she brings up old minor details only to further complicate the discussion.
4-As serious as a discussion can be, she is suddenly fascinated with the earrings of the girl who got us discussing.
5-I respectfully hold back from making rightful comment only the find out that my thoughtfulness was viewed as being selfish.
6- If she does not like where the conversation is going, she has no problem whatsoever changing the subject even though she started the argument and got me all fired up.
7-And finally, she contradicts herself instantly if she finds it suitable.

Only my love for her keeps me around.

Wasted

[Member #3453]

My friend...we have always been candid so please don't be concerned that your contadicting me is going to offend me, or make me angry or upset. I think we have disagreed almost from the very beginning as to strategy and positioning. We are the two dueling critics...

It's like with MJ, I don't mean to convey any criticisms in my commentary, and I welcome all points of view. I'm not necessarily asking for help, because I really don't feel like I need it. I really think I have some pretty good results overall. I am merely reporting my opinions after a trip, and sometimes they are critical. I am a "critic," just as I know some others of you literally are.

I might not agree sometimes with assessments that are articulated her, but I am open to considering them for the sake of discussion, and to possibly modify my behavior if in fact I decide that the recommendations fit my style, and have a chance of making my trips more enjoyable.

First...Have you forgotten???

I have been frustrated with Monterrey in some capacity or another all the way back to Cindy #1...over four years ago. Certainly, you must remember the funks I used to get into over her, funks that were admitedly my own fault probably, but funks none the less.

And, lets not forget all the disappointments...girls failing to show up, girls always running late, all of their foolishness after I spent quite a bit of money on them, especially the Obsession and Prestige girls...remember???

Of course you remember...

But, in all fairness to myself, I have successes with some of the hottest girls in Monterrey, all the time, both then and now. But, I am still frustrated in comparion to how easily attainable satisfaction is elsewhere. So, being the critic that I am, I "RAIN" on Monterrey, probably a little unfairly compared to my overall successes there, mostly because I am a spoiled brat with respect to other venues. But, even now, I am fortunately able to find and keep some very HOT girls.

Prior to my going to other venues, I was relatively satisified with Monterrey because it was all really new to me, and I had no worldwide experienced to draw comparisons. But, additional worldwide experience has a tendency to open one's eyes to what is otherwise available, and being the perfectionist I am, that frame of reference only serves to disappointment me when I sometimes experience the characteristics that are such an intregal part of mongering in Mexico.

My past successes were usually when I would find a particular girl in a club, bar fine her, stick to her relatively exclusively within that club, and not patronize too many others at one time from the same club. I had girls in many different clubs, but I would always remain relatively loyal to my favorites. It paid off for me then, and it still pays off for me now. If the girls started to get lazy or mis-treat my loyalty to them, then, in that instance, I employ the Cabronish strategies you and MJ recommended. But, honestly, most of the girls were always pretty good to me. It's just that there aren't that many of them in Monterrey to go around. Hey, you reminded me, whatever became of Gina at Pasarelas anyway. I still have her phone number...uhmmm?

All the young whipper snappers that I compete with in the clubs see me as just the "old gentleman," when in reality I am their worst frickin' nightmare. Just give me a crack at the girl on salida, and depending on chemistry, I will prove that there is something HOT, veril, and studly that is still very much alive on the inside of the "old guy"...and fortunately for me, the girls confirm that through whatever high percentage of successes I do seemingly have with the hotter girls of MTY, that with a healthy dose of "dinero" to ease their consciences about actually enjoying the company of the old "distinguished" gentleman. :-) How is that for inflating one's own incrementally deflated ego? But, make NO MISTAKE, my methods ARE different than the young studs are used to employing, and they are what make me successful with girls that might not otherwise give me a second thought.

So, I believe that to apply the techniques of a Milljust, or a Mr. L, or any of you younger dudes, in my case, would not be successful. I have to use the methods that I know work well for me. I think the proof is in the pudding gentleman. And, if the cookies, dulces, and regalos get my foot in the door, which they very definitely do, along with whatever charm I am able to somehow muster to make everything come together, then that is what I am going to have to do to make my schtick work for me.

With respect to Pasarelas, I am working a number of girls there, still attempting to determine which of them will earn my loyalty. When I am done in Pasarelas, my next target club will possibly be Casino or maybe Bahamas, mainly because they still have reasonably priced bar fines. But, as fate will probably have it, my Angel Girl will probably become excessively available just when I decide that I prefer to cultivate other options :-) Isn't that how it always works???

Actually, I have one very poor option over at El Cielo. But, that place, as well as Matehuala, has been so poor laterly that the selection really sucks. I would sincerely prefer to pull from the Infi group of clubs due to the cheaper bar fines, but selection has been a huge issue there lately, with the exception of El Infinito itself, and you know my sentiments there with respect to Angel Girl who occupies a special place for me over and above the category of "provider."

Call me foolish if you want to, but I prefer to maintain the relationship with Angel Girl just as it is, mainly because I get huge dividends as a result. So, I will merely work the other clubs in the interum while Angel Girl's life is given an opportunity to normalize.

Actually, there aren't any girls in El Infinito right now that interest me anyway, with the exception of perhaps some on the night shift. So, for me, my extending my "loyalty" to Angel Girl isn't really costing me anything from my own perspective. I have many better options in other clubs.

I realize I am a consumate "perfectionist" with respect to how I anticipate things are supposed to be going for me in Monterrey. It is no different now with respect to certain girls that push my buttons. So, in some respects, you are right...it is me, especially in cases where girls like my Angel Girl hold a special place in my heart. But, in other respects it is the venue itself. I have always been demanding of Monterrey, just less vocal about articulating it.

But, you are only partially correct with respect to the time spent, in that it is related to the root cause of my frustration, and not really the direct cause.
IMHO, it is not the time spent, but the MONEY. I used to spend quite freely in the old days. I used the shotgun effect. I was like the politicians in Congress...I threw huge sums of money at the situation. I remember buying numerous Jarras for the girls in the clubs, etc...

So, I've concluded that it is actually the money and not necessarily the time, although certainly the two have a definite effect on one another. This last trip, I spent much more freely, and actually, I came away much more satisfied than I have been in a long time, primarily thanks to my "X" girl.

Of course, Angel Girl had her contributions, but she was just not able to spend the time I would have liked to have spent with her, and it made me unsatsified with that aspect of my visit. It is NOT her fault. She has legit shit that keeps her unavailable, so I am just remaining patient...that's all I choose to do short of cultivating my other options, which I am actively engaged in at this juncture, following your recommendations to do so after the last two visits, a strategy that I wholeheartedly agree with.

You see, we agree for the most part don't we???

My friend, am going to contradict you in many aspects...
For starters you are not the same guy that I met a couple of years back.
You used to take out fabulous girls like Gina at the Pasarelas, Vanessa at the Matehuala, girls I didn't even consider cause I saw them above my capacity.
And then some I don't remember just right now that were just stunners.
Then, as both Mill Just and I have mentioned, at some point you did a total "about face" and instead of spreading out, you started spending too much time concentrating on girls that would take you no where.
I remember I used to joke that you had more novias than I did.
Remember?
Some where along the path you lost yourself.

USB says: "I am not the only monger in Monterrey that goes away from Monterrey frustrated. Mostly, the newbies visiting Monterrey leave frustrated because it is a complicated, expensive, and relatively difficult venue for mongering. "

I say: You leave Monterrey frustrated because of yourself. You are coming to Monterrey, and you have told me, with extra baggage, that you are spending too much and you are placing this way on top of your list during the trip.
(I have told you many times that you are staying way too long in Monterrey compared to your first trips.)
This is going to be a hard one, please excuse me my friend: I don't see frustrated newbies leaving Monterrey... I only see you leave frustrated.
Like I said, you are not the guy I met years ago who worked like a fine oiled machine getting the girls all to himself.
And I still insist, I blame your long stays in Monterrey for everything that is happening.

[Member #3453]

I CAN understand your frustration with me...My emotions and commentary vacilate with respect to my attitudes toward the Mexico experience. But, I don't mean any disrespect to those that have offered the advice, nor am I unappreciative of it, nor do I want them to stop giving the advise and making commentary here on the board. God knows the board is otherwise dead, and without the commentary we may have to do something "intellectual" like read a book or something.

I probably mis-spoke with respect to my comments regarding "ego." I believe that a more accurate assessment is more akin to "blind alegiance" to the Mexico experience rather than anything actually being motivated out of ego. My apologies for that misunderstanding. I will cover this issue in more detail later on in my...uhhh...thesis?

Compared to my amigos, I am every bit as successful as they, and some have had significantly more time on the ground to cultivate those relationships, so in that regard, I feel pretty good about my success rate in Monterrey comparatively.

First, I must offer my sincere appreciation to Carlos, without whose guidance over the years, I would never have been able to achieve the level of satisfaction I do have on the ground in Monterrey. I am truly greatful. He is a great friend.

But, that all having been sincerely said...

I am not the only monger in Monterrey that goes away from Monterrey frustrated. Mostly, the newbies visiting Monterrey leave frustrated because it is a complicated, expensive, and relatively difficult venue for mongering. Without the direct assistance from Carlos, WastedG, myself, and others, a newbie's chances of coming to Monterrey and enjoying one's self to the fullest extent are minimal. Not that we're indispensable, we're not, nor am I trying to pander to our own egos...but to a true newbie to the area, especially a first timer, non-spanish speaking, gringos, the logistics are complicated, as is the venue itself, including the proper strategies to use.

Not everybody leaves Monterrey with a clammering to return. Most, frankly, enjoy the venue, but realize that they must spend a lot of time on the ground to get good performance for a relatively high price...and they are right! If the newbies return, it is usually a result of the comradre we foster with them on the ground...'cause, there are better places to spend your money and your time for the ultimate experience that we all seek.

But, more importantly, even for a veteran of Monterrey, GFE experiences are still NOT widely available. So, even for a veteran that has the venue totally figured out. I have concluded that NO strategy can turn a sows ear into a silk purse. I travel to Monterrey because of logistics and because I like to visit with my amigos. I also have a favorita that I like seeing. Beyond those factors, I know first hand that I would be more satisfied in other venues.

So, if I seem to have an overly committed alegiance to my Angel Girl, it is simply that I prefer spending time with her because her GFE is a sure thing, less work, less expensive...Worldclass. At least, that is her performance with me. I strongly suspect your mileage may vary with respect to her performance, just as they all do based on chemistry, and one man's "junk" is another man's "treasure."

That having been said, the source of my frustration is that while I am just as successful as they in the Monterrey venue, I am simultaneously aware, because of my travels, that what I am experiencing when I'm there is not Worldclass mongering, but expensive and complicated mongering, better than the USA certainly, thankfully, but that ain't saying a whole lot in the Worldclass arena.

My other point is, and this is the point of my former frustration...When I modify my behavior in an effort to respect the advice of my handlers, mostly in an effort to assist them in proving that the Mexico venue really does have something superior to offer in comparion, and also to hope against all odds that maybe I am doing something wrong and there is "more" to be gleened from the Mexico experience in comparison to other Worldclass venues...

No matter what I seemingly do to modify my behaviors to the letter of their advise given, and in a manner that is totally and completely open to trying their recommendations, it is always judged as not quite enough, not quite right, not quite effective, not quite what is required to achieve this far superior service that is supposed to be such an intregal part of Mexico mongering.

That is the source of my seemingly, but unintended, confrontational former post. Even when I employ their methods in exactly the same manner as I personaly witness them implementing their own strategies, strategies that are sometimes directly contradictory to what they say is their preferred methodology, I am told that I am employing the wrong strategies, and that I just don't get "it."

But, these are stretegies they themselves utilize all the time, publicly displayed for all to see, apparently ones they themselves practice on a regular basis and believe will work fine for them. But, somehow, according to them, my implementation of those same methods is judged to be ineffectual, poorly executed, just not quite right, etc...

It is not "Mexico" per se, but USB that has the problem..they say. But, in reality, USB is as successful as they are. The difference is, USB is not satisfied because USB knows what more is available in the Worldclass arena, whereas mis amigos are blissfully ignorant that anything is even wrong with the Mexico venue in comparison.

I have concluded that their blind alegiance to the Mexico venue has them clammering for excuses why USB's methodology fails to yield larger numbers of GFE sessions for him, failing to meet his unrealistic expectations for Mexico, but USB's GFE sessions are just a prolific as theirs. It is more convenient for them, and psychologically comforting to espouse that USB is just not able to implement the necessary strategies that make Mexico, for them, the Worldclass mongering venue they dilusionally believe it is, and I "wish" it was.

Therefore, I have started to conclude that my amigos enjoy believing that no matter what methodology I adopt, it will never have their approval, not because it does or does not work, or because the Mexico venue is what it is, but more because they prefer to believe that USB is just not able to grasp the implementation of their superior methodology, and is mired in his own "unsuccessful" failed strategies...thereby supporting their dilusional alegiance to the Mexico venue as a good mongering destination.

But, the reality is, USB's funk is a direct result of comparing Mexico mongering to mongering on a Worldclass scale. They simply do not have the experience in other venues, and are so loyal to the Mexico experience that they prefer to point fingers at what they perceive as USB's failed strategies rather than admit that the venue itself is contributing to my overall frustrations.

Mill, with respect to GFE from only one girl at a time, that is simply not the case. Currently, I know of at least 4-5 girls that I can get good GFE from in Monterrey. But, that doesn't discount the superior performance of one in particular over the others, and my preference to be with her because of her "performance." I just prefer to spend time and money on one that matters to me instead of on others that don't.

Also, with respect to the numbers of good providers in foreign venues, it is an extremely low percentage of good GFE providers compared to the huge number of available chicas in Monterrey, so I sometimes complain about that. It just makes the search for satisfaction that much more work, and it makes Monterrey significantly more expensive than other venues where the availability of superior performance and providers is prolific in comparison.

No, I don't think there's any rush to portray you as a sad sack or have a competition to give the best advice- at least there isn't on my part.

Basically, to be fair:

YOU come on the ISG griping about how bad Mexico, and Monterrey in particular, is for getting GFE.
- I say that you are wrong and that there's a lot of the service that you crave to be had in Mexico. Then you come back with a million reasons why you don't want to change.

YOU gripe about how your Angel Girl is leaving you hanging.
- We tell you why, or at least give theories as to why, and you suddenly make an about face and say that she is the best and you have no complaints about her.

YOU say that your current tactics aren't yielding results and are open to others.
-We offer some suggestions, just to have them all shot down because suddenly your tactics and strategies are the best and yield the best results for you, all the while taking a sarcastic tone

And now, You come on the ISG and directly complain about the advice given from well-meaning brothers in the "hobby"

So......are you happy with the status quo? Do you want to yield better results? What is it? If everything's just peachy and in your heart you feel that you know best, great, but don't keep giving contradicting statements as to your feelings about Mexican mongering. Nobody has ever put you into a "damned if you do and damned if you don't" situation because everybody's given you basically the same advice. It's you who directly and indirectly ask for help and then blow off everything that doesn't strike your fancy. So, great, you know best and just leave it at that. What do we get from trying to help you? Nothing. We, who love Mexican chicas, just want you to get more of what's out there and not just get stuck with one chica at a time.

I understand the withdrawal period after coming back from Mexico. I used to go through it as well before I moved here, but things need to be more cut and dry with you because we all want to help a monger in distress, but when you suddenly stop being in distress and then claim that your strategies are the best and refuse to change them it just sorta pulls the rug out from under a fella.

I post in response to you because I see a bit of myself in you- a nice guy with good intentions, craving GFE and not getting as much of it as can be had. My intentions are not to inflate my own ego- I get enough of what I want to never even think about posting here. My intention in responding to your posts is to say that what you want is right at your fingertips and by employing a better strategy, you can get all the GFE you want. What I say is not the result of my rolling out of bad and saying to myself, "I know what I'll post now..." My conclusions come from 7+ years of actually being in country, seeing what works and doesn't work. Carlos is in the same boat...I can't believe that you haven't taken what Carlos says to heart more because, of us all, he is the one in the best position to KNOW what works here if you don't want to believe others. If I come off as egotistical, I don't care. I just read your posts and respond to them when you seem to be struggling for better service...and then I pull my hair out when you do a 180 and say that nothing's the matter.

In an anonymous forum, this is definitely the wrong place to try and stroke your own ego. If your strategies are the best how come you can only get GFE from one girl at a time when many of us get it quite frequently? Your argument is always that what you want is unique to you- it most definitely is not. In our cases, what we want is very similiar, but if your not getting it in abundance after spending so much time and money in Monterrey, then there has to be something wrong...and not with the chicas.

With all due respect, you don't really want to have a two or three or four way conversation...you just want people to confirm that what you do is the best...And when they don't, "well, I'll just agree with everything and keep doing the same because, in reality, I know best." You know what the definition of insanity is, right? -doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results? If you wouldn't so often write about your displeasure with the Mexican venue, people wouldn't be so quick to try and help...notice I said the word HELP? Not preach or belittle, but HELP. Especially when you talk about your displeasue in the Mexican venue in the presence of men who are very, very happy with it.

Now, if you were to invest some of the [CodeWord140] and vinegar that you displayed just now to mongering in Mexico, you'd be beating the chicas off with a stick instead of just beating off in your office in Middle-America.

I now bow out gracefully...You know best and are the master...can you pass me your cookie recipe?

Have Fun,

Mill

[Precocious One]

MJ-

Well, I guess I won't ever qualify as a "cabron" in Mexico because I lack the macho characteristic ever so needed to qualify (although I do bench press 325). In the US, a man's man is simply one who is very sure of who he is and never falters on his conviction, regardless of economic status. That does not quantify as being macho but mature. And yes, I wholeheartedly agree that if you or I were to enter a club with cookies it would probably not fare very well for us. But for USB, it appears to work well with his persona. It is probably not only his personality that encapsulates the chicas, but obviously his pocketbook as well. Chicas, whether they be P4P or not, look for the money. If you do not have or are incapable of obtaining it, no amount of machoness will give you success with the educated woman, Mexican or not. Maybe in rural India circa 1919 one would have success, but not now. As for the testosterone, many of us possess it but choose not to display it. I guess that comes with age.

Back to the chicas. Monterrey is by far vastly superior in the beauty of its women compared to that of the Baja side. I lived there for almost a year, and it amazes me the disparity between the two. Almost the difference between a SoCal woman and its Midwestern counterpart. By the way, I believe you had previously mentioned on a post the possibility of paying a monthly stipend to a chica and the amount associated was around $600. I believe I have met a potential non-pro candidate and I am about to commence negotiations. Would that number be applicable to Monterrey or just your part of Mexico?

Mr. Q

[Member #3453]

"What we have here is a failure to communicate...."

Movie: Cool Hand Luke
Year: 1967 (Before most of you were probably born :-))))
Actor: Struther Martin

I love that line..."Whhhhat we hauuuve heauua is a faaaaluaa to comunicte."

Precocious One,

I will simply ask the question, and everyone else can form his own conclusions. Was I, or was I not, very well received by those chicas in Pasarelas? And if your answer be "YES," then I rest my case as to the effectiveness of my strategies and tactics. My amigos do not frequent Pasarelas. I have many options there, and all of them won over by being a "nice" guy versus a Cabron. I am still a Cabron inside, but I am devilishly nice to them, but in a sly way. You see, there are all kinds of Cabron, IMHO, and not just one-way to skin the proverbial cat. I like to think I use some degree of intellect to win those over that are worth a damn, and frankly, I could not care less about the rest of them.

It occurs to me that there is a friendly rivalry of advice givers on here, all competing to out do the other with respect to criticisms of USB's approach to finding his brand of GFE, ones that certainly mean well, mis amigos every one, but amigos that also seemingly enjoy believing that USB is a total failure with respect to the chicas of Monterrey within a P4P context, and more importantly, within the context of finding and obtaining GFE kinds of encounters that satisfy me.

Some enjoy the advice giving and prefer to see USB mired in a funk of ineffectual pussy-whipped confoundation, seemingly for the benefit of the advise giver's own inflated "Don Juanian" egos.

These accusations are not directed at anyone in particular, but it seems that no matter what USB does, Cabron or Nice Guy, consumate baker of cookies or not, nothing will ever finally win their individual respective approvals of USB's unique, tried and true tactics. They prefer instead to maintain their own dilusional superiority, even in the face of USB's over 1000 satisfied customers on five continents, verdad?

So, it is starting to occur to me that if I am damned if I do, and damned if I don't with respect to following the advice of all the advice givers, then I might as well discount most of their prolific recommendations because nothing I do will be correct, even if following their advice to the letter.

My advisors enjoy the course of criticism too much to ever admit that USB might understand what he has been doing all along, and that their advice is merely their own biased "opinion," having little or applicability to USB's specific preferences for USB's unique brand of GFE.

[Precocious One]

Had a great time on Sunday night with you and Russ. And yes, I share the same positive sentiments regarding Club Pasarales. Very, very comfortable. I have been there three additional times and you and I possibly enjoy one particular common interest there.

As you are already probably well aware of because you are an astute and cognizant individual, the possibilty of you transforming into a "cabron" may indeed produce negative results. At this time, it is quite probable that you are well-received at the clubs because of your amiable and amicable demeanor. A nice, sensitive and distinguished older gentleman so to say. If you were to transform into an angry, mean and insensitive older gentleman, well, maybe that will not be conducive to mongering. In fact, I would assume most of these girls have already experienced this sort of person and it has not had such an efficacious effect on their lives of which they are well aware of.

Stay with what works for you. From my limited vantage point, your personality seemed to be working quite well for someone your age. The Brad Pitt's of the world may be able to get aware with the "cabron" personality but as you know, most of us cannot lay claim to that category. Trying to change who you are at this stage in our lives, going from a positive to a negative, is very questionable.

Mr. Q