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05-22-07 05:04 #514
Posts: 1388USB (the one am gonna slap silly when he comes back) says: "...and my good friend Carlos is going to KILL ME...but Porker is not boasting about the amount of action he gets in ASIA in comparison. To that I am a witness...and, I can also personally attest to the superior quality of consistent GFE, time after time, without fail, without ridiculously expensive cost, without delay, and without any more effort than is required to fall off a log. That is the primary difference between Asia and MTY. The effort required of the monger, especially in comparison to the relative cost, can not be justified, period...no contest."
Nope, I don't fall of the log.
Let me ask you USB, one question?
What are we talking about? "GFE" en masse?
Am very sorry to tell you, but I do not trust when "ALL" the girls give you "GFE" by wholesale.
You kow what that is? The same thing you don't like of Monterrey girls.
It's an act.
Different dresses and faces, but an act.
They want money.
They don't care for the person, they care for the customer.
Nothing else.
Originally Posted by UnospongeBob
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05-22-07 04:58 #513
Posts: 1383You are right, I am buying GFE...The point is, the girls of MTY are not delivering it. I accept that I am buying it, but I also know what GFE is supposed to look like after having visited Asia several times, not just once, as well as Colombia and Costa Rica several times.
Spending weeks on the ground in Asia, and getting night after night of consistently delivered GFE sessions without hardly any effort on my part is sufficient testimonial to understand what is characteristic of those venues.
Or, are you saying that the girls in those venues found "me" particularly alluring in comparison to all the hords of other mongers that play there? I doubt that. I must therefore assume that the experience as a whole dwarfs the GFE potential in MTY in comparison. It is merely a logical conclusion for any that visit some of these other venues. Monterrey is significantly more work, significantly more money, and significantly more disappointment mixed in with the good. GFE can be had in MTY, but it is in no way as easily available as in these other venues.
With respect to Angel Girl, it is bound to end sometime. When that time comes, I will be disappointed, and I will have to seriously weigh the wisdom of returning to MTY to puke huge amounts of money to find an alternate. I hope she keeps up her quality because, if not, her lack of attention will simply prove my point all over again, and the daunting task of finding a potential substitute might possibly drive me to other venues before I will permit myself to waste money looking for GFE in MTY.
Originally Posted by Carlos Perez
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05-22-07 04:46 #512
Posts: 413USB's true love
I always knew it and have tried to convince others. USB's true love is ..... drum roll ..... the ISG board itself.
He loves to write. He has a story to tell and it all comes together because he has an audience that will read, comment and is sometimes (almost always) even argumentative. This is what gets USB off. It is the ISG and not really the GFE experience.
If USB runs out of argumentative audience, such as Carlos, Mill and Porker, he will fall out of love with his Angel Girl .... and I will take over :-)
The plan is for the 14th through the 18th. When you leave on the 16th, Carlos and I will cover for you. Don't worry about the girl. When Carlos goes home, I will cover for the both of you. Rest assured the girls are in good hands, amongst other things.
Wasted
Originally Posted by UnospongeBob
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05-22-07 04:41 #511
Posts: 1383Aye Chihuahua!!!
I have to agree. Porker asked me in my former post why I was developing this recent attitude about MTY, which I still dearly love, primarily for the comradre of my amigos, and for a very select few number of girls. I will try to explain what I think is happening to me.
First, I found a girl that delivers SE Asia quality GFE sessions in Angel Girl, and she has literally spoiled me rotten. She has put them all to such utter shame, that I am not even content with the prospect of a potential substitute, primarily because I know, through extensive past experience, that a potential substitute for equivalent GFE does not exist without my having to puke huge amounts of pesos to somehow finagle them into providing what I could otherwise find in five minutes on the ground in the PI, Pattaya, Bangkok, Colombia, Costa Rica, Batam, Jakarta, etc...
Never mind Angel Girl's motivations. The why that's been articulated here certainly doesn't make any sense if you look at the amount of money I pay her. Only the reality that I am getting what I like for very little money matters. And, frankly, for the amount of money I am paying, the "why" escapes me entirely where she is concerned. Frankly, it took my experience with Angel Girl over the last 8 months to really illustrate to me that I had been getting shit service otherwise. There were a few exceptions, Angry Girl, my girl at El Cielo who has since moved on and is no longer available to me, maybe my "V" girl at Harem. But, overall, the rest of them were not up to any kind of GFE standard compared to the amount of money spent.
Secondly, my attitudes are changing because I am being more conservative in my expenditures. I just started to analyze what I had been spending over the last several years to patronize these girls, and it began to occur to me that I was not very satisfied with ROI. Spending money on girls that do not generally deliver GFE quality, girls that promise the moon if you buy them drinks, but fail to show up on promised salidas, is NO LONGER AN OPTION I am willing to accept from them. And, to paraphrase Porker:
"paying 15 bucks for drinks to get 15 minutes of sparkling CONVERSATION with a (almost universally 25+ Y.O. already had at least 1 kid) hooker for pretty much doing NOTHING," does not impress me either.
Plus, to further rub sand in the wound with respect to some of the girls specifically at Prestige, I am routinely, unappreciatively mocked behind my back by those same gems for showing them simple acts of kindness when I do visit their club, apparently because I do not puke pesos on them for doing nothing, or is it that they are so arrogant that they think they are our only option in the World. They had better think again. The only attraction for me at this juncture with respect to El Prestige is the lunch buffet, and fraternizing with my amigos, the waiters, the managers, period. The girls are totally and completely meaningless in the equation. That is just how inconsequential they really are in the totality of my circumstances.
Originally Posted by Porker
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05-22-07 04:16 #510
Posts: 1388Come on Porker: "And re: the amount of times you get laid in any given month, if it's more than twice a week, you must do a lot of stuff at very odd hours of the day or night that I have never seen. You're certainly not banging your 'girlfriends' at Obsession and Prestige (that you puke 100 USD WEEKLY in drinks on) on a regular basis. Again, my friend, that's called money for NOTHING!"
Am married, please at least give me a break.
Ok... let's see.
Boasting time...
Girlfriend one in each: Infinito, Casino, Harem, Obsession and Prestige.
Alternates: 3 at the Infinito, 1 at Givenchy, 2 at the Casino, 2 at Harem, 2 at Bahamas, 1 Prestige.
And those are my regulars... got my army of ugly girls and spares.
And I don't pay 100 dlls.
Odd hours: how about noon, 12:00 PM for my Obsession darling. How about after the Infinito afternoon shift at 11:00 PM, how about getting my Harem and Casino girlfriends before the night shift and how about seeing my Harem girl at 5 pm every each other day.
You really lost track of me... you met me when I was new to the strip clubs and you stopped coming when I fully established my Sacred Flock.
No my friend, you really don't know me anymore cause I simply haven't had a single bad moment with any of my girls of my choosing.
Originally Posted by Porker
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05-22-07 04:12 #509
Posts: 1388"to the superior quality of consistent GFE, time after time, without fail, without ridiculously expensive cost, without delay, and without any more effort than is required to fall off a log."
You only went once... and you are still buying "GFE" it and you are not accepting that.
Very Important: You are still falling for the girls terms, not yours.
Pay attention to this and write it down:
Now I realize that is your problem.
You meet a girl, anywhere, SEA, Mexico, SA.
You have fun with her.
You leave, you come back and suddenly things don't feel right, like something is not checking out from the first time.
You know what it is? You are coming back, thinking that you have established your own rules, without realizing that you haven't done this and you are colliding against the girl's rules... that is why something doesn't quite check.
I saw you last time at the Prestige, you were bewildered at what was going on cause you thought everything was under your control.
No... Angel girl is steering the ship, not you.
And really write this down... you are gonna come back feeling everythings ok, and you are going to get that feeling again but this time that something is even worse now.
I should have seen this a long time ago....
That's your problem.
Nope, you don't get it... now that you are coming back, I need to hit you hard on the head.
Originally Posted by UnospongeBob
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05-22-07 01:45 #508
Posts: 175Oh, and please SPARE ME the drivel about "Mexican chicas have high standards because they make a good income" drivel. They make a good income because their dumbass clients pay them ridiculous amounts of money for DOING FUCKING NOTHING!
Carlos, do you remember the (rather forgettable) movie "War Games"? At the end, the computer spits out the OH so apropos line: "The only winning move is NOT TO PLAY!"
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05-22-07 01:11 #507
Posts: 175I was NEVER a customer at the lunchtime buffet places other than going for the FOOD (and company of amigos, which, as USB mentions, is a very alluring draw). I have bought a grand total of TWO drinks there in 5+ years (at Prestige about a year ago. I was DRUNK! SUE ME!!!), and if the drink sluts that work there wrote me off a long time ago, well, GOOD! Let them play their act for some other dude that thinks paying 15 bucks for drinks to get 15 minutes of sparkling CONVERSATION with a (almost universally 25+ Y.O. already had at least 1 kid) hooker is a good value so he pay them for pretty much doing NOTHING. I mean seriously, what the hell is in it for ME to spend money on a girl there? If I spend 15 bucks on a drink I may get to grope her a little bit. Sorry, but I passed the cheap thrills stage of mongering after pissing away a couple hundred bucks in US strip clubs well over a decade ago. Buy a 15 USD 5-10 minute lapdance out in the open? Sorry, can do that at the Matehuala with a better looking girl. Pay 40 bucks for a true 5-10 minute 'privado'? See the Matehuala comment. Pay 100-200 USD for 15-45 minutes of sex onsite? ARE YOU FUCKING CRAZY? Pay 50-500 USD in drinks to get the girl to meet me outside the club so I can pay her 100-200 USD to fuck her for a couple hours? Does ANYBODY think this math is a good value at any point in the chain? My numbers are undisputable.
As for the Matehuala and "I place", I got tired of seeing the same girls in the same place over the years and got a lot more picky about spending my money on them. It almost had to be a 'perfect storm' of being both drunk and horny before I could justify spending 40 USD for 15 minutes of a covered BJ and sex in a dark closet with a folding chair as the only furnishing. You will never believe me how much of a letdown such an experience is after getting all-night fuckfests in a room with a king-sized bed with a shower with a girl 5 years younger and twice as attractive can be. Oh, and not to mention that BBBJ for as long as you can STAND IT is the norm. While I realize that for some people, that fucking a dark booth in MTY is as good as things get in life, I try not to rub their noses in it.
And re: the amount of times you get laid in any given month, if it's more than twice a week, you must do a lot of stuff at very odd hours of the day or night that I have never seen. You're certainly not banging your 'girlfriends' at Obsession and Prestige (that you puke 100 USD WEEKLY in drinks on) on a regular basis. Again, my friend, that's called money for NOTHING!
Carlos, I really think you're trying to convince YOURSELF more than you really believe any of this stuff, and I'm sorry for kicking your legs out from under you. I really do feel sad you can't manage to head to SE Asia and see how the other half lives.
I will say it one more time, Monterrey is a helluva destination if you like fucking in dark closets and/or want to spend 300-500 USD a day. Anything else, well, I'll just say I prefer saving my meager cash for SE Asia.
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05-22-07 00:55 #506
Posts: 1383I'm comin...down that is.
WastedG,
Ok, the 14th...how many days? Through which days? I will try to coordinate my trip with yours, but I must leave on a Saturday, the 16th, but I plan to be there a week.
As for the rest of you...I believe I am winning the argument. Actually, I love to debate, argue, stir the shit as it were...or can't you tell.
Don't misunderstand my former comments...I still love MTY, but when I return to post my rebuttals, we can persist with this debate some more. I also "VOW" to follow the direction of my handlers to attempt to play my game more successfully, but if it involves pissing off my one sure thing in MTY, you can forget it. I have already been down that road with Angry Girl. So, El Infinito, at least with respect to my modifying my strategy, is off limits. Any other club, fine, no problem. You are going to have to prove it to me.
I have to go watch the two hour season finale of "24," but I will return this eve to debate all of you degenerates later tonight...
Plus,
...and my good friend Carlos is going to KILL ME...but Porker is not boasting about the amount of action he gets in ASIA in comparison. To that I am a witness...and, I can also personally attest to the superior quality of consistent GFE, time after time, without fail, without ridiculously expensive cost, without delay, and without any more effort than is required to fall off a log. That is the primary difference between Asia and MTY. The effort required of the monger, especially in comparison to the relative cost, can not be justified, period...no contest.
GFE is available in Monterrey, GFE of equal quality. But, you as a monger have to not only work hard to find it, but you have to work damn hard to pay for it.
Originally Posted by Wastedgman
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05-21-07 23:35 #505
Posts: 413International Sex (was Guide) Discussion Board
Not that I'm complaining.... no no y no
I'm planning a June 14th trip. If any of you dares, come on down. Although I do not know how much I can handle anymore. I have aged 3.5 months since my last visit. Besides, this needs to be a relaxing get-away trip for me. I need a break from it all. Been working way too hard. Of course, all subject to change with or without notice.
I want to be cheap and lazy for a change. I think it has a more calming effect. Well .... again, all subject to change.
Mr. "L" is in too. We'll just have to coordinate.
Wasted
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05-21-07 23:29 #504
Posts: 1388My friend, am going to be totally honest with you.
You are absolutly wrong.
This is not true: "short-sighted and lazy and don't give a rat's ass whether their customers are satisfied or not"
The girls know their business and their customers.
If they see a gringo, and if they see that 2-3 girls give it a try with him and he doesn't pay attention to them, well, they move on to better venues.
Porker, for sometime long ago, you were absolutely famous in Monterrey for being a bad customer. The girls at the Obsession would ask me "what the hell is he looking for", the girls at the Matehuala would ask me for my "poquitero" friend....
And this: "Oh, and btw, I get laid more from bar girls in two weeks in Asia than you get laid from bar girls in 6 months. Please consider that the next time you do your financial comparison"
Boy are you wrong here.... you really lost track of me.
And I got witnesses in Wasted and USB...
And my post... I said I was glad you were having fun in SEA, cause what you were looking for, was over there and not here in all senses and, financial ways.
I guess I was telling you, you were right....
Originally Posted by Porker
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05-21-07 23:21 #503
Posts: 175USB, you mention that you're having trouble finding GFE in Mexico. Without backing down from my opinion that YOU'RE THINKING TOO MUCH, I'm asking you to think about it (haha!) and try to figure out WHY that's the case? You seem to be of the opinion lately that Monterrey has declined as a p4p venue for you. Why is that? Is it because you have too much experience in other (generally superior) mongering destinations? Is it because the level of service in MTY has declined across the board? Have you been spoiled by stellar performances by past chicas that other girls just can't match? Have your methods for picking barfines changed/deteriorated so that your selections are more random than they used to be?
In that regard, have you been negatively influenced by your cheap charlie friend PORKER into being a LAZY, CHEAP monger? Haha, I hope I haven't ruined your playground by telling you that the emperor there may not be NAKED, but he's at best wearing a THONG AND PASTIES!
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05-21-07 23:10 #502
Posts: 175Carlos, I stand by my assessment about the difference in attitudes between SE Asia and Mexico, as I'm sure anyone who has been to both locations would, though I certainly don't doubt that financial desperation is indeed the reason why Asian girls are soooo much better at providing paid sex. But the real bottom line is still that the vast majority of Mexican providers are short-sighted and lazy and don't give a rat's ass whether their customers are satisfied or not. That's because they know some other loser with too much money burning a hole in his pocket (within a few days of pay day, anyway!) is right around the corner and more than happy to waaaaay overpay for the same shitty, totally impersonal service that she just gave the last guy. If Asian girls gave such crappy service they'd be drummed out of the profession before they lasted a week.
Oh, and btw, I get laid more from bar girls in two weeks in Asia than you get laid from bar girls in 6 months. Please consider that the next time you do your financial comparison.Last edited by Porker; 05-21-07 at 23:15. Reason: error/typo
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05-21-07 22:57 #501
Posts: 175USB is definitely more experienced than I am regarding paying salidas. I have paid a salida to the bar exactly ONCE (at Parthenon. For those that KNOW how cheap I am, you can only just IMAGINE how hot I thought that girl was and how much I wanted her!), and while it was a thoroughly enjoyable experience, it was waaaay too expensive for ME, costing 500 to the bar and 900 to the girl for about 2 hours, plus as I never usually need a hotel room, 200 for a room. I HAVE, however, in my early years in MTY, done many 'sneakout' hotel sessions with massage and strip club chicas, which are much more economical. I got a pretty decent GFE every time, but AGAIN, even at 500-800 for the girl and 200 for the room, I just can't afford that expense since I spend 10K USD a year on Asia trips and I'm a poor guy. But that's just me. If others see value in paying that kind of money, good for them.
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05-21-07 17:57 #500
Posts: 1388Let me do a double quote here being that USB is quoting Porker..
"To reiterate Porker's former comment, I concur completely:
"Carlos (and Mill), you are obviously right about Mexican girls not being as financially desperate as their SE Asian sisters, but there is also a HUGE difference in the attitudes of Mexican mongers as well, who pay out the ASS for overpriced drinks for girls to sit around and laugh at their jokes. The girls are unbelievably spoiled by guys gushing money who don't even expect much sex, if any. Asian girls get paid a LOT less and actually have to EARN their money. Yet their attitudes are 1000% better.""
There is one thing that marks a difference here and it is that Porker in the begining was looking for something different than USB was.
It doesn't have to do drinks or whatever.
And I still insist that attitude is not the norm at SEA, it's poverty.
Poverty is the main element that makes them act the way they you like.
Don't come to me and tell me that "attitude" is responsible for a 20 year old to offer a great "GFE" to a man 30 years her senior.
Nope... it's total and absolute neccesity... the need to do it or die in the hell hole they are living in.
That is why the get so attached... it's desperation.
I prefer to see it as it is, than to name it "attitude".
I preffer to fight with all my wits and experience to get a truer friendship here, and a honest one, than the ones found at SEA.
One thing I want to make clear... of all those going to SEA, I believe Porker is one of the few that are getting what they want there.
And again, what my friend Porker spends getting to SEA for a couple of days of R&R, I spend it here in Monterrey in a month with the same results.
But I know he is having the best of time over there..
So keep at it.
Originally Posted by UnospongeBob