Monterrey

[Member #3453]

When it transcends GFE, and it morphs into something more than the typical GFE, it is because they have chosen us. It doesn't usually happen for very long. Usually, the girls come back to earth pretty fast when that happens. I think that the enhanced GFE has happened to me maybe three times in Monterrey over five years, and usually it only lasts a couple of months.

I must elaborate on your comment that "it is not us." In a sense it IS "us." Perhaps it's not us directly, but it's the result of the sociological effects of Mexican culture on the typical lower class bar girl. I've found that sexually and romantically, the bar girls are especially captivated by us because we are different. To a certain extent, all women seem to be especially vulnerable to men that are different than their prevailing culture. I think our being from another culture, austensibly wealthy by comparison, and well educated by comparison, etc...has a profound effect on our success. It must be some kind of instinctual female aphrodisiac worldwide. Anyway...

If we treat them well, we stand a very good chance of receiving consistently passionate, heartfelt GFE's. I have had many more than just three normal GFE's in Monterrey over five years, and most of it I attribute to my point of origin, and to the fact that I treat them differently than they are use to.

I treat them like they are my responsibility when they are with me. That is not the way most of the girls are use to being treated. The difference is, we make love to them, we care for them, we think of them when we are not with them, we treat them like regular girlfriends, cherish them, etc...we don't just fuck them...there is a huge difference between using them in a caring and concerned way, and using them as slabs of meat to the slaughter.

But, if we actually fulfill their stereotypical "Gringo in Shining Armor" fantasy, then it seems like it's not uncommon for us to enjoy an elevated treatment from them occassionally, treatment that surpasses even the normal GFE.

As you said, it is love in a sense, not in the typical sense, but almost like we are the actual embodiment of their romantic and sexual stereotypical fantasies, which I believe causes them to give more fully of themselves in order to fully experience their anticipated "fantasy man." We get a fuller measure of their sincere attention, not just sexually, but emotionally as well when we get their "enhanced" brand of GFE treatment.

In the case of my "G" girl, I am enjoying that circumstance now. But, by now, she is resolved to the reality that "legitimacy" can never really be achieved. I have explained that we can part company if the arrangement bothers her, or if she feels that I am being insincere with her. Or, we can enjoy our times together for as long as both of us want it. It has been entirely up to her. So far, she has decided to enjoy our time together rather than not, and I stick with her because she provides the enhanced GFE that is otherwise more illusive than the typical run of the mill GFE.

I can only assume that she is still sufficiently captivated, not only by the stereotypical romantic Gringo angle, but also by the support mechanism, the money, all be it relatively and comparatively modest amounts of money in comparison to the going rate for pay for play in Monterrey. So far, this arrangement has been very satisfying. But, we both know that it will come to an end eventually. It has to...it should...and it will...someday.

I believe there is more to it than just finding a GFE. I believe we come to know and care for those girls to the point we sincerely love them and treat with the utmost respect that they never see with any other men, be it local or visitors. I know girls who cling on to us hoping to establish an ongoing relationship and to claim she has a boyfriend. she would be sincerely in love, not in the full sense, but to a point where she singles one man out of the crowd and pay special attention in addition to special treatment.

It is not us. It is the girls who chose to do so. We just go along for the ride and enjoy it thinking we succeeded in finding a one-in-a-million.

they brag about one of us being their boyfriend. Overlooking the age and the distance factor. Giving us special treatment and spending more time with us, sometimes without money, and getting us involved in their life outside of the clubs.

So what do you call that? GFE? No. It is their hunger for a man to call their own. some of us, like USB, me, Carlos and Mr."L" treat them just like we would treat a guest. Full respect and genuine caring. Something they are not used to and will not usually get from young studs who are there for a quickie.

Then the guilt part sets in. Just knowing we are there for the screw while they expect a possible long-term relationship. Thus an additional heart break and crumbled dreams. All adds up to a final ice queen die hard prostitute. No faith in men and no future.

One last note, I see the shower before sex is a must. Add to it that you shower them yourself ... and now use your imagination :-)

Just my 3 cents. My 2 cents are free.

Wasted - days and Wasted nights.

[El Cabron 007]

I believe there is more to it than just finding a GFE. I believe we come to know and care for those girls to the point we sincerely love them and treat with the utmost respect that they never see with any other men, be it local or visitors. I know girls who cling on to us hoping to establish an ongoing relationship and to claim she has a boyfriend. she would be sincerely in love, not in the full sense, but to a point where she singles one man out of the crowd and pay special attention in addition to special treatment.

It is not us. It is the girls who chose to do so. We just go along for the ride and enjoy it thinking we succeeded in finding a one-in-a-million.

they brag about one of us being their boyfriend. Overlooking the age and the distance factor. Giving us special treatment and spending more time with us, sometimes without money, and getting us involved in their life outside of the clubs.

So what do you call that? GFE? No. It is their hunger for a man to call their own. some of us, like USB, me, Carlos and Mr."L" treat them just like we would treat a guest. Full respect and genuine caring. Something they are not used to and will not usually get from young studs who are there for a quickie.

Then the guilt part sets in. Just knowing we are there for the screw while they expect a possible long-term relationship. Thus an additional heart break and crumbled dreams. All adds up to a final ice queen die hard prostitute. No faith in men and no future.

One last note, I see the shower before sex is a must. Add to it that you shower them yourself ... and now use your imagination :-)

Just my 3 cents. My 2 cents are free.

Wasted - days and Wasted nights.

My experience with the girls I take on salida in Monterrey is that they are almost always very well groomed, and quite clean. Most girls will shower after sex, and sometimes they will shower before sex, but not often.
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[Member #3453]

My experience with the girls I take on salida in Monterrey is that they are almost always very well groomed, and quite clean. Most girls will shower after sex, and sometimes they will shower before sex, but not often.

I have been in circumstances in the PI where I thought the girls themselves did not have the cleanliness level of Monterrey strip club girls. I never had any really bad ones in the PI myself, but have numerous friends that have had the relatively common bad experiences. Nobody seems to have bad experiences with cleanliness in Thailand.

I can tell you directly that the girls in Thailand are totally and completely emaculate, taking showers every five minutes if you let them...really! But, the girls of the PI are seemingly less clean than the girls in Indonesia, Cambodia, and Thailand.

With respect to actual health issues, condom use is almost non-existent in Indonesia and the PI, and it's 50/50 in Cambodia, unless of course you as a client insist. It is 50/50 in Thailand. The girls usually prefer the use of condoms but they will go bareback without much problem, and especially if they are Long Time girlfreinds, meaning more than a day or two.

With respect to Monterrey, most girls insist on condoms. They are educated by their employers to require them for their own safety, and if they catch some kind of disease they are immediately fired after having failed a weekly health check.

Since many of the clubs are owned by the same owner, being fired means they may not be able to find another job in that same string of clubs. There are probably only a couple of owners in the whole of Monterrey. So, their jobs depend on their remaining healthy.

They do not take their jobs lightly, and they are usually very conscientous. But, of course, there are exceptions, and with familiarity comes a significantly reduced amount of vigilance on their part, especially if they like you and their own passions rise beyond their ability to restrain themselves. But, most are quite strict about it otherwise, and keep a solid check on their emotional vulnerabilities that way.

I've been reading those posts too on said "another forum".
The opinion basicly is that in Mexico the girls have no sanitary notions.
Opposed to SEA where the girls take a bath, brush their teeth before and after.
Well, one thing is TJ, where all the girls are mercenaries and the hard sought GFE is almost nil or hard to be found.
That is the opposite here and at any other city that is distant from the border towns.
Girls are different, you get a better treatment form them and so on...
But back to those posts about SEA.
The enfasis is "clean" and "sanitary".
"Clean" and "sanitary" are an absolute contradiction when BB is the norm at SEA.
That is the biggest joke of those posts.
I just don't get it: they complain that Mexican girls are "dirty" but BB doesn't count...
Good for them... let them go to SEA and star digging their grave.

[MonterreyDude]

i've been reading those posts too on said "another forum".
the opinion basicly is that in mexico the girls have no sanitary notions.
opposed to sea where the girls take a bath, brush their teeth before and after.
well, one thing is tj, where all the girls are mercenaries and the hard sought gfe is almost nil or hard to be found.
that is the opposite here and at any other city that is distant from the border towns.
girls are different, you get a better treatment form them and so on...
but back to those posts about sea.
the enfasis is "clean" and "sanitary".
"clean" and "sanitary" are an absolute contradiction when bb is the norm at sea.
that is the biggest joke of those posts.
i just don't get it: they complain that mexican girls are "dirty" but bb doesn't count...
good for them... let them go to sea and star digging their grave.

i recently read a post on another site that harshly criticized tj. the post on the other site was written by a guy who formerly frequented tj. this guy took a recent trip to indonesia. according to his post, indonesia is the promised land, and tj really sucks.

i understand his comparisons with respect to price, and even possibly with respect to quality of experience when comparing indonesia to tj. but there are downsides to everything, the amount of travel time required, language barriers, health risks, cost of travel, etc...

i have never been to tj, so i don't have any direct experience to use for comparison. but, i can honestly say that upon hearing the many descriptions of tj, i don't think monterrey is in any way comparible to tj, except that the two are in mexico.

first, mexico is not comparable to some of the more notorious other venues with respect to price, and even with respect to general quality of experience. however, there are some things that are particularly convenient and seductive about monterrey, things that draw me back there, and things that sometimes cause me to wish i were in monterrey when i am elsewhere.

there are a lot of really hot girls in monterrey, much more than you will find in the border towns, and apparently many more than are available in tj. based on the descriptions of the quality of girls working in tj, monterrey sounds like it's far superior.

in addition, compared to most of the asian foreign venues, i have found the diversity of different looks to be much better in monterrey. the asian look is very much a cookie cutter type of thing, even to the point of outfits in the go go's being exactly the same between the girls...it's all about uniformity in asia. if you like diversity, monterrey offers a diversity of ethnic looks that you will not find in asia.

i have to admit that monterrey has a lot of very hot girls. based on the horror stories i've heard about tj, the girls are not nearly as mercenary in monterrey, and the opportunity for salidas with really hot girls in monterrey far surpassed what is ultimately available in tj, or in the border towns.

plus, i also think that the health system in monterrey, the one that requires the girls to be tested on a weekly basis, can not be ignored. the potential for disease in monterrey is significantly reduced compared to other venues. that isn't a license to be careless, but it does influence "my" comfort level. some foreign venues offer no protection whatsoever, and whether or not you contract something from the girls is a lottery that some of us just can not afford to risk.

if you like strip clubs, most of the foreign venues do not permit them. indonesia, for example, is a country where that kind of exhibition is totally prohibited. the pi and thailand primarily consist of go-go's where there is no nudity on stage. you have to leave it all to your imagination until you get them back to your room to verify your hunches.

monterrey mexico has got to be the absolute strip club capital of the world, bar none. other venues have decidedly different formats. so, that one factor, the huge number of strip clubs, if you like that sort of environment, can not be over-emphasized. it is world class, imho.

in addition, the clubs of monterrey play a decent range of music compared to the techno-clatter of the asian go-go's. i complain that the music is played too loudly in the clubs of monterrey, but i am otherwise relatively satisfied with their musical selections.

plus, if you monger in monterrey...

1. you are only three hours south of the us border, in a place where your cell phone works perfectly.

2. where you are able to also conduct business during normal business hours because there isn't a huge time zone difference, such as is the case in asia, 13 hours.

3. your high speed internet connection, where available, works well in monterrey compared to it crawling in some asian venues like indonesia and the pi.

4. the selection of western food in monterrey is widely varied, cheap, and easily obtainable. they even have a wide range of us based chains to choose from, chilis, bennigan's, applebees, etc...

5. the movies in the theatres are often spoken in english with spansh subtitles.

6. the taxis are very cheap in monterrey, and they are safe. to travel between the clubs downtown, it will not cost you over about 10-20 pesos ($1-$2us).

7. the danger of being criminally victimized while walking around downtown in monterrey, walking between the clubs, up to 10 blocks or more, at 3am, is very low. try that in downtown san jose, costa rica, near the blue marlin. i have never, in five years, felt threatened on the streets of monterrey.

8. there is a wide selection of hotels, all of varying quality, price, ammenities, many us chains, many good mexican chains...all depending on your preference to be close to the action versus you own preferred comfort level.

monterrey is not a mongering venue in the strictest sense, such as what you might expect if you were to travel to thailand or the pi for example. it is a very strong mongering entertainment venue that has a satisfying, but slightly complicated mongering experience available.

so, to classify monterrey in the same category as asia, or even to classify it along with a place like tj, is probably not an accurate assessment because it can have its frustrations. it is not set up soley for the purpose of mongering, but it's more of an entertainment venue where mongering is just below the surface. monterrey can be as easy or as difficult as you choose to make it. it is very easy to get laid, but not as easy as in some other venues, and perhaps not as easy to achieve the exact experience you might otherwise easily seek and obtain were you in asia.

[Member #3453]

i recently read a post on another site that harshly criticized tj. the post on the other site was written by a guy who formerly frequented tj. this guy took a recent trip to indonesia. according to his post, indonesia is the promised land, and tj really sucks.

i understand his comparisons with respect to price, and even possibly with respect to quality of experience when comparing indonesia to tj. but there are downsides to everything, the amount of travel time required, language barriers, health risks, cost of travel, etc...

i have never been to tj, so i don't have any direct experience to use for comparison. but, i can honestly say that upon hearing the many descriptions of tj, i don't think monterrey is in any way comparible to tj, except that the two are in mexico.

first, mexico is not comparable to some of the more notorious other venues with respect to price, and even with respect to general quality of experience. however, there are some things that are particularly convenient and seductive about monterrey, things that draw me back there, and things that sometimes cause me to wish i were in monterrey when i am elsewhere.

there are a lot of really hot girls in monterrey, much more than you will find in the border towns, and apparently many more than are available in tj. based on the descriptions of the quality of girls working in tj, monterrey sounds like it's far superior.

in addition, compared to most of the asian foreign venues, i have found the diversity of different looks to be much better in monterrey. the asian look is very much a cookie cutter type of thing, even to the point of outfits in the go go's being exactly the same between the girls...it's all about uniformity in asia. if you like diversity, monterrey offers a diversity of ethnic looks that you will not find in asia.

i have to admit that monterrey has a lot of very hot girls. based on the horror stories i've heard about tj, the girls are not nearly as mercenary in monterrey, and the opportunity for salidas with really hot girls in monterrey far surpassed what is ultimately available in tj, or in the border towns.

plus, i also think that the health system in monterrey, the one that requires the girls to be tested on a weekly basis, can not be ignored. the potential for disease in monterrey is significantly reduced compared to other venues. that isn't a license to be careless, but it does influence "my" comfort level. some foreign venues offer no protection whatsoever, and whether or not you contract something from the girls is a lottery that some of us just can not afford to risk.

if you like strip clubs, most of the foreign venues do not permit them. indonesia, for example, is a country where that kind of exhibition is totally prohibited. the pi and thailand primarily consist of go-go's where there is no nudity on stage. you have to leave it all to your imagination until you get them back to your room to verify your hunches.

monterrey mexico has got to be the absolute strip club capital of the world, bar none. other venues have decidedly different formats. so, that one factor, the huge number of strip clubs, if you like that sort of environment, can not be over-emphasized. it is world class, imho.

in addition, the clubs of monterrey play a decent range of music compared to the techno-clatter of the asian go-go's. i complain that the music is played too loudly in the clubs of monterrey, but i am otherwise relatively satisfied with their musical selections.

plus, if you monger in monterrey...

1. you are only three hours south of the us border, in a place where your cell phone works perfectly.

2. where you are able to also conduct business during normal business hours because there isn't a huge time zone difference, such as is the case in asia, 13 hours.

3. your high speed internet connection, where available, works well in monterrey compared to it crawling in some asian venues like indonesia and the pi.

4. the selection of western food in monterrey is widely varied, cheap, and easily obtainable. they even have a wide range of us based chains to choose from, chilis, bennigan's, applebees, etc...

5. the movies in the theatres are often spoken in english with spansh subtitles.

6. the taxis are very cheap in monterrey, and they are safe. to travel between the clubs downtown, it will not cost you over about 10-20 pesos ($1-$2us).

7. the danger of being criminally victimized while walking around downtown in monterrey, walking between the clubs, up to 10 blocks or more, at 3am, is very low. try that in downtown san jose, costa rica, near the blue marlin. i have never, in five years, felt threatened on the streets of monterrey.

8. there is a wide selection of hotels, all of varying quality, price, ammenities, many us chains, many good mexican chains...all depending on your preference to be close to the action versus you own preferred comfort level.

monterrey is not a mongering venue in the strictest sense, such as what you might expect if you were to travel to thailand or the pi for example. it is a very strong adult entertainment venue that has a satisfying, but slightly complicated, comparatively subdued, mongering experience available at relatively cheap prices, with outstanding quality, compared to anything available in the us.

so, to classify monterrey in the same category as asia, or even to classify it along with a place like tj, is probably not an accurate assessment because it can have its frustrations along with it's relatively high level quality advantages.

it is not set up soley for the purpose of mongering. as i said, it's more of an adult entertainment venue where mongering is just below the surface. monterrey mongering can be as easy or as difficult as you choose to make it. it is very easy to get laid, but not as easy as in some other venues to get gfe, and perhaps not as easy to achieve the exact experience you might otherwise easily seek and obtain were you in asia, colombia, costa rica, etc...

[MonterreyDude]

One of the reasons I don't post reports on MPs, which I don't use but I know them well, is because by the moment the info hits the board, they are totally outdated.
I got a PM from a member that I know from another forum asking precisly that. That things changed a lot 2 weeks ago when he was here from his last time 6 months ago.
Told him that since the last time of his visit, girls have changed, prices and attitude has chaged also.
Places that might have been opened can be close by now.
And most likely, some might have hiked their prices, which makes the girls charge you higer for extras.
This is very true of Romanos, which is the little ugly brother of the expensive Misses. Girls at Misses are bussed once in a while from Misses to Romanos and while at Misses they might charge 2000 pesos per hour, at Romanos they will charge 1000 pesos, BUT they will ask for extras that might go way into the 800 peso range.
The "never go at 4-5 pm rule" still exists, cause that is the time the morning shift will be leaving and the afternoon shift coming in, so at that time expect to see at the MP's 2 or 3 girls.
Never go on a Tuesday. That's when the majority of the girls rest.
The best girls work at the medium priced businesses, like Deborahs, Marcella, Horoscope, etc. All these MPs are not in the downtown area, but in the near periphery to distance themselves from the low charging places.
These places charge as a base price 300-400 pesos plus extras that will hike the price into 800-1000 pesos but of course, a 600 pesos gig is not impossible.
There are also the little ones that advertise small, like Francis at Articulo 123 st., near Cigarrera. One day I took an American there... I was surprised to see at a place like this, 10 girls all crowded up in a small room.
But still the ruling MPs, are the following:
Signore www.signore.com.mx
Faraonas 1 and 2
Marcella www.pompis.com.mx

The rest is trail and error. Depends on the luck of the monger....

[Member #3453]

I arrive probably by about 9pm on 4/21 via bus from Laredo, provided everything goes smooth with the flights into Laredo. I will be in MTY all week, through the night of 4/26. Hope you can make it!

is the gang converging on mty around 4/21?

i may have to book a ticket as well.... hate to see you guys have too much fun without me... also want to stake out my territory

[Round the World]

is the gang converging on mty around 4/21?

i may have to book a ticket as well.... hate to see you guys have too much fun without me... also want to stake out my territory

[Member #3453]

I knew you could not stay away...Returning 4/21-4/27 for me. But, one question, WastedG, you say your "girl," as in the singular form, as though one of them in particular is the subject of your desires. Don't you have and entire class to consider?

Are you referring to one in particular, or are you going to administer the final examines to the class as a whole.

I am bringing them their "final examines," just for the month that is...I will also bring their Fredericks of Hollywood Caps and Gowns...

CHEATERS!!! They are all teacher's pet, they are all making honor roll and graduating to the "Head" of their class regardless, verdad? :-)

My girl made the honor roll at Infinito High.

Line'em up. I think I'm coming down for a visit soon.

Wasted

[El Cabron 007]

My girl made the honor roll at Infinito High.

Line'em up. I think I'm coming down for a visit soon.

Wasted

[Member #3453]

Carlos says..."Am trying to make USB understand that he is dealing with hookers, girls that can be friendly one day and stab you in the back the next."

I agree, except to also add that they are "women" first, and hookers second. What interests me, the game that I find the most stimulating, is to transcend the stereotypical label of being their client, and to be something more to them than just a paycheck...That is the true measure of GFE. I don't really know what that "something more" sometimes is, but when I find it, I know it without further contemplation, and so do they.

They are definitely hookers in their jobs, at least as we define them from a male perspective. But, they do not think so. They regard themselves as smart business women, entrepreneurs, and entertainers.

For example, my girl was recently with me in a pharmacy. The girl behind the counter spoke fluent English. My girl was visibly jealous when I told her that the girl was very smart, not only because she knew so much English, and how she spoke it so fluently, without accent, but because of the way she carried herself. The clerk behind the counter was a good girl, with brains, with pride, with proper manners and decorum. Plus, the girl was of white, European decent. A typical Mexican flaca morena believes that she can not compete on that level, so jealousy is the natural response. I understand what I am dealing with, and how I am using it to my advantage. But, because of the sociology of her Mexican upbringing, she feels threatened by the mere presence of a white skinned, educated, natural dish water blonde Mexicana...wonders never cease. I am more attracted to the flaca morena, but she is mired in the sociology of her ancestors.

My girl was quite jealous, but not angry. I recall that as she smiled at me she called me coquetto, just because I was conversing with the Mexican girl in English, and because I was impressed with the girl's apparent intellect. My bar girl replied to me in Spanish, "Yeah, but USB, who is smarter? Who is making more money, the girl working in the bar, or the girl working behind the counter?"

I had to acknowledge that my bar girl was certainly making more money. I did not want to hurt my girl's feelings, but there is more to it, more than she is able to comprehend as a consequence of her social position in life, and the limitations that dictate her place in the pecking order of Mexican society.

As for my personal opinion about which vocation is the smarter, I personally believe it is the girl that educated herself, and earns her living with more dignity that is the wiser. But, smarter and wiser are two different kinds of assessment. The bar girls generally lack wisdom, but most of them are dangerously smart. I still have to explain the difference to my bar girl, the difference between wisdom and intellegence. She has much to learn.

You see, I fully understand what I am dealing with when it comes to these "hookers." But, that doesn't make them any less precious to me as people. All bar girls, whether they are smart, or intellectually inferior, whether they lack wisdom, etc...are a different breed, a breed apart from girls of normal Mexican society. But, I still regard the ones that deliver the goods with sincere affection, and legitimate concern. They think they are doing the best they can regardless of the choices they make in life, even choices that are unknowningly made to their own detriment.

And...Carlos, we have both heard something lately coming from the bar girls that is uncharacteristic of the typical hooker of yester year.

The girls do not see themselves as hookers. They see themselves first as entertainers, even so far as to believe that as long as they screw you with a condom, it is a sufficient barrier to isolate them, not only in a biological sense, but also with respect to the emotional toll that such activity most certainly takes upon them.

I do not agree with their perspective, that the condom somehow legitimizes and protects them from what they do, but I am just articulating what so many of them are thinking of themselves these days.

It is a different world even compared to ten years ago. Many of the girls rationalize what they do, and so many of them do not see themselves as hookers. Remember the girls in the Prestige that said they are "so glad they are not one of them," meaning hookers? The new generation has a perspective we have not heard before.

Carlos further says..."Yes, the girls are not getting you, but right now you are now a familiar face, but they don't care cause you don't leave a mark in the places you visit. Even with the many times you've been here, they don't recall you above being the guy with the cookies. You are not unpredictable and they see you as a "no sell". Yes, you have high standards, but you have failed to communicate this. Business moves so fast to these girls that you haven´t made this clear to them."

They see me as a no sell because I am not buying what they have for sale. I want to be completely predictable. I want them to understand what it is I am buying, but most of them are too dense to figure it out, choosing instead to cast upon me their expectations for a "good time." They prefer to dictate to me. But, I am in total and complete control. I will simply dismiss them if they don't provide what I am looking for, even Cindy #1, Cindy #2, Angry Girl, whomever...

You see, it is not a matter of them respecting me...I am the one with the money. It is a matter of my respecting them as providers, which I do not.
Most of them are too lazy to understand what I am buying, and to DE-LIV-ER IT!

Most of them only choose to deliver what they believe their Mexican clients are satisfied with. I am not a Mexican client...I am a Norte Americano that has patronized hundreds of girls not only in Mexico, but throughout Asia and Central America. Why is it so acceptable in Mexico, as clients, that we always accept the very least from them, and why is it never about them providing a superior level of "GFE" performance? I am sounding more and more like Porker each day...very scary.

I will continue to interview them, and to enjoy them over a drink or two, and to hopefully find the needle in the haystack once in awhile. But, to actually bar fine some of these amateurs is a waste of my time. Obviously, I have to continue an extensive interviewing process to find the needles in the haystack. But, so many of them are such an ultimate disappointment to me that they never get beyond one or two drinks.

I have a different expectation for them than they are used to. The typical Mexicana performance is not generally what I seek, so I do not really care if they want me or not...because I don't want them if they choose to deliver their normal Mexicana brand of service.

Only the girls that provide what I am looking for are the ones that will get my money. It is up to them. If they don't produce, if they do not work for my attention, I am off to another venue, where I can easily obtain what I am so used to receiving for a fraction of the price, and without having to beg for it.

You see, I am very demanding. My present girlfriend understands what I am looking for, delivers it with her own level of personal pleasure and satisfaction as part of the mix, and she and I are both richer for it in all respects. It should be a win/win.

The typical hardened pros of Mexico do not get it. But, currently, my present girl is intelligent enough to understand what it is I want, and to provide it. Perhaps she provides it with a strong measure of sincerity, and perhaps she provides it because she is in-tune with what her job really is. Either way, it doesn't matter because she is running circles around all the others...NO contest.

Am trying to make USB understand that he is dealing with hookers, girls that can be friendly one day and stab you in the back the next.
"Stab you in the back" in the figurative sense, that is.
But please take note, cause it gives you an idea of how the girls act and react to customers....

USB says: "They" are the ones that are not getting me...They are the ones that are only fortunate enough to see "me" once in a Blue Moon :-) Remember, I am the client, and they are the providers. In that respect, I suppose my standards are very high."

I say: Yes, yes, but no. Yes, the girls are not getting you, but right now you are now a familiar face, but they don't care cause you don't leave a mark in the places you visit. Even with the many times you've been here, they don't recall you above being the guy with the cooies. You are not unpredictable and they see you as a "no sell".
Yes, you have high standars, but you have failed to communicate this. Business moves so fast to these girls that you haven´t made this clear to them.
This is very important: They don't respect you.
If they don't respect you, they do whatever they want with you and not the other way around as it should be.
In other words, the one with the high standards are the girls. Their standards include here, foolishly looking for young customers with money, which is a falacy.
We must make sure they understand that and also that they are still "trash", but the kind of "trash" we are willing to like...

[MonterreyDude]

for any forum member reading this, this discussion is for medicinal purposes.
am trying to make usb understand that he is dealing with hookers, girls that can be friendly one day and stab you in the back the next.
"stab you in the back" in the figurative sense, that is.
but please take note, cause it gives you an idea of how the girls act and react to customers....

usb says: "they" are the ones that are not getting me...they are the ones that are only fortunate enough to see "me" once in a blue moon :-) remember, i am the client, and they are the providers. in that respect, i suppose my standards are very high."

i say: yes, yes, but no. yes, the girls are not getting you, but right now you are now a familiar face, but they don't care cause you don't leave a mark in the places you visit. even with the many times you've been here, they don't recall you above being the guy with the cooies. you are not unpredictable and they see you as a "no sell".
yes, you have high standars, but you have failed to communicate this. business moves so fast to these girls that you haven´t made this clear to them.
this is very important: they don't respect you.
if they don't respect you, they do whatever they want with you and not the other way around as it should be.
in other words, the one with the high standards are the girls. their standards include here, foolishly looking for young customers with money, which is a falacy.
we must make sure they understand that and also that they are still "trash", but the kind of "trash" we are willing to like...

i really saw no contradiction in your post, and no offense taken.

frankly, you failed to comment on the gyst of my thesis. you merely critiqued my choices. that is not really a contradiction of my conclusions, such as the differences between the passive styles of the girls in the low end bars versus the aggressive, mercenary style of the girls in the medium and high end bars.

this is a very on-point analysis of my opinion about what differentiates the low end bar girl potential from the medium level/high end bar girl potential.

you see, i prefer working the girls in the low end bars because they don't have well honed, demonstrative personalities like the girls in the medium and high end bars. they don't practice extracting money from you for drinks...not even on privados. the low end bar girls just stand there on stage, using very little else to entice patrons other than appearance.

as a consequence, some of the girls in the low end bars have little obvious "charm." but, the ones that actually do have charm, which is most of them, are great bar fines. more of the low end girls possess "charm" than is usually othewise discernable without interviewing them extensively in the privados, or getting to know them over time. and, if they are not particularly outgoing initially, if you get to know them over time, as friends, they develop an attraction and willingness to go on salida. they are every bit as good as any girl from the medium/high end bars, but it requires some effort bringing them out of their shells.

if you take a low end girl into the privados, and you don't talk to her, but you merely grope, fondle, and molest her, you will never really know the extent to which she might actually have some gfe charm and allure for gfe salida potential. many guys cut directly to the chase, and fail to explore this potential. they get in the privados and they are so absorbed in the physical stimulus that they totally overlook the more important verbal interviewing process.

i know you are not guilty of that carlos...but, many guys fail to recognize that potential because they are stuck on strictly the "physical" potential within the privados, and the girls, due to their lack of experience with respect to charm skills, play right into this dynamic, making it seem that they, the low end bar girls, lack personality in comparison to their peers in the medium and high end places.

the girls just grind away and the guys don't give a shit about knowing them for any other potential. so, the girls go along every night of the week, gaining very little experience at using their charm to entice guys into selecting them for salida.

besides, salidas are rare in monterrey. the girls do not typically go on salida much. the clientelle in the low end bars don't want salidas, and more than likely, they generally can't afford them. the "rat pack" is the exception. and, that is why we enjoy a certain level of infamy with the girls in the low end bars.

plus, with the low end girls, there is a definite "status" that is apparently attained by their being selected to go on salida. it elevates them within the social order of the bar. in addition, there is a degree of possessiveness established as well. the girls in the low end bars actually "imprint" on us.

they regard us individually as "theirs," and i believe they place a greater value on our patronage than what is sometimes given us by the medium/high end girls. it is because our patronage, in the form of salidas, involves a psychological boost to their egos, and a subsequent elevated status achieved within the bar. our patronage demonstrates to their peers that they are salida material for the rich gringos, and successful mexicanos, even when they are shared three and four at a time such as in the case of the harem established by wastedg.

carlos, you are always talking about the effects of the class structure within mexico. we are their "fair haired boys." and, i believe, patronizing the low end girls is an ultimately superior experience to bar fining them from the medium/high end places for that reason. i have always generally had better salidas from the girls working in the low end bars than from the medium and high end bars.

we, the "rat pack" of monterrey do otherwise compared to the hords of low end patrons, and that is why we have hords of girls that we regularly bar fine out of the low end bars. our focus is different than the average patron in the low end bars.

with the girls having a lack of "experience" in practicing charm on the hords of low end patrons," there exists an opportunity for really decent gfe salida action, usually at a cheaper cost, if you can turn the tables and charm them, or develop a familiarity that puts them at ease at the prospect of leaving the bar with you. that is the basis of my conclusions.

as for my "only getting a girl once in a blue moon," that is not true. remember, i bar fined a new girl almost nightly over the last couple of years, and when things went really well, when they all decided to actually show up, sometimes i would find myself entertaining as many as two or three a day. it's only been recently that i decided to patronize one girl a couple nights a week. it has been a conscious "decison" on my part to do so, and not a lack of potential opportunity.

plus, since we are engaged in discussing the proper frame of mind, with respect to your comment, "only in a blue moon," i remind you that if i am to have the correct mental state, and the "proper" approach according to carlos, it is the other way around...

"they" are the ones that are not getting me...they are the ones that are only fortunate enough to see "me" once in a blue moon :-) remember, i am the client, and they are the providers. in that respect, i suppose my standards are very high.

[Member #3453]

i really saw no contradiction in your post, and no offense taken.

frankly, you failed to comment on the gyst of my thesis. you merely critiqued my choices. that is not really a contradiction of my conclusions, such as the differences between the passive styles of the girls in the low end bars versus the aggressive, mercenary style of the girls in the medium and high end bars.

this is a very on-point analysis of my opinion about what differentiates the low end bar girl potential from the medium level/high end bar girl potential.

you see, i prefer working the girls in the low end bars because they don't have well honed, demonstrative personalities like the girls in the medium and high end bars. they don't practice extracting money from you for drinks...not even on privados. the low end bar girls just stand there on stage, using very little else to entice patrons other than appearance.

as a consequence, some of the girls in the low end bars have little obvious "charm." but, the ones that actually do have charm, which is most of them, are great bar fines. more of the low end girls possess "charm" than is usually othewise discernable without interviewing them extensively in the privados, or getting to know them over time. and, if they are not particularly outgoing initially, if you get to know them over time, as friends, they develop an attraction and willingness to go on salida. they are every bit as good as any girl from the medium/high end bars, but it requires some effort bringing them out of their shells.

if you take a low end girl into the privados, and you don't talk to her, but you merely grope, fondle, and molest her, you will never really know the extent to which she might actually have some gfe charm and allure for gfe salida potential. many guys cut directly to the chase, and fail to explore this potential. they get in the privados and they are so absorbed in the physical stimulus that they totally overlook the more important verbal interviewing process.

i know you are not guilty of that carlos...but, many guys fail to recognize that potential because they are stuck on strictly the "physical" potential within the privados, and the girls, due to their lack of experience with respect to charm skills, play right into this dynamic, making it seem that they, the low end bar girls, lack personality in comparison to their peers in the medium and high end places.

the girls just grind away and the guys don't give a shit about knowing them for any other potential. so, the girls go along every night of the week, gaining very little experience at using their charm to entice guys into selecting them for salida.

besides, salidas are rare in monterrey. the girls do not typically go on salida much. the clientelle in the low end bars don't want salidas, and more than likely, they generally can't afford them. the "rat pack" is the exception. and, that is why we enjoy a certain level of infamy with the girls in the low end bars.

plus, with the low end girls, there is a definite "status" that is apparently attained by their being selected to go on salida. it elevates them within the social order of the bar. in addition, there is a degree of possessiveness established as well. the girls in the low end bars actually "imprint" on us.

they regard us individually as "theirs," and i believe they place a greater value on our patronage than what is sometimes given us by the medium/high end girls. it is because our patronage, in the form of salidas, involves a psychological boost to their egos, and a subsequent elevated status achieved within the bar. our patronage demonstrates to their peers that they are salida material for the rich gringos, and successful mexicanos, even when they are shared three and four at a time such as in the case of the harem established by wastedg.

carlos, you are always talking about the effects of the class structure within mexico. we are their "fair haired boys." and, i believe, patronizing the low end girls is an ultimately superior experience to bar fining them from the medium/high end places for that reason. i have always generally had better salidas from the girls working in the low end bars than from the medium and high end bars.

we, the "rat pack" of monterrey do otherwise compared to the hords of low end patrons, and that is why we have hords of girls that we regularly bar fine out of the low end bars. our focus is different than the average patron in the low end bars.

with the girls having a lack of "experience" in practicing charm on the hords of low end patrons," there exists an opportunity for really decent gfe salida action, usually at a cheaper cost, if you can turn the tables and charm them, or develop a familiarity that puts them at ease at the prospect of leaving the bar with you. that is the basis of my conclusions.

as for my "only getting a girl once in a blue moon," that is not true. remember, i bar fined a new girl almost nightly over the last couple of years, and when things went really well, when they all decided to actually show up, sometimes i would find myself entertaining as many as two or three a day. it's only been recently that i decided to patronize one girl a couple nights a week. it has been a conscious "decison" on my part to do so, and not a lack of potential opportunity.

plus, since we are engaged in discussing the proper frame of mind, with respect to your comment, "only in a blue moon," i remind you that if i am to have the correct mental state, and the "proper" approach according to carlos, it is the other way around...

"they" are the ones that are not getting me...they are the ones that are only fortunate enough to see "me" once in a blue moon :-) remember, i am the client, and they are the providers. in that respect, i suppose my standards are very high.

iam going to contradict usb here.

[Member #3453]

Carlos,

No contradiction...no offense taken. I actually agree with your perspective. But, I am also currently happy with my present circumstances. I am afterall, getting the cheap 12 hours sessions, verdad? True, it's the same girl, but I would not trade my circumstances for the 2 hour salidas with some ice queen, and the inflated cost of same. I DO NOT expect this to last forever with my steady. I am merely enjoying the ride. When the time comes that I am no longer devoting long periods of time to one girl, you will hear my cries of dispare, no doubt. Then, and only then, you can have the satisfaction of telling me "I told you so."

On to another subject...

I call this one: "Give a girl a fish and you feed her for a day. Teach a girl to fish and you feed her for a lifetime."

Many of you know that I make bracelets for the girls in the clubs. You will find my handiwork distributed generously throughout the lower end strip clubs of MTY, especially within El Infinito. Just check their wrists...there you will find my handiwork on many a chica.

Anyway, on one of my last trips, I showed my girl how to make these works of art :-), gave her the instruction sheet, etc...gave her a short lesson. Anyway, on my last trip, she showed me that she had made one of them. Not the quality of the Master, but not bad.

Anyway, my girl took me to a store on this last trip. It was kind of like a Michaels or a Hobby Lobby, be it on a much smaller scale of course. Anyway, they had some multicolored seed beads for sale, and she asked me help her pick some out. I bought her an assortment of colors, all for a mere pittance, maybe like 35 pesos for literally hundreds of beads.

She proceeds to tell me that she is now making these bracelets and selling them to girls in her home town for about 50 pesos each. The total of materials couldn't cost her more than 15-20 pesos. Not bad profitability for a bar girl to make some added income, especially when the Gringo is bank rolling the materials, verdad? She says she can turn one out in about an hour. What the hell, 50 pesos an hour...She makes more in the privados, but shit, in her spare time? Not bad...

So, you see, Mexico is much better off for having had the likes of the Gringo USB fraternize with it's "hostess" population. :-)

Iam going to contradict USB here.
His standard of girls is soooooooooooo high, that he only gets one girl once in a blue moon.
I always threaten USB to slap him a little when he gets down here, cause we always quarrel a lot on this thing about girls. But I think this time he's going to do the slapping.
Wasted, Mr L, RTW, they all have more than one girl or at least seem to favor several girls at the clubs, cause in some instances they go first for a good time, plus looks, but favoring a good time with a nice girl above all.
Wasted, USB and me, we are not young and like I have wrote or commented many times, we are going against a very stiff competition than involves 20somethings and 30 somethings with, sometimes, more money than us.
We are dealing with the age factor here, our age factor Vs. the girls age factor.
In other words, I don't think we are in a position that favors us when choosing girls... and the more years that pass, the less there'll be girls to choose from.
For many years now I have managed a standard that allows me to have a nice flock of girls. If within that standard a nice 18 year old like the girl I see at the Prestige pops up... well, come to papa.
If a nice girl like the D girl at the Obsession come over and wants my frienship, she's welcomed.
In between I have many others, not so pretty as the forementioned, but am still having fun.
Again: we are in a point in time where we must stop looking for the bird in the hand... we must go for the birds in the bushes.
And I will contradict USB again.
My friends at my Yahoo groups, bachelors and in their 20's and 30's, are up to their necks in club girls.
One of them is seeing Priscilla at the I place. Joselyn at the O place. And the list goes on and on. Plus, we have to consider all the ones we don't know about.
We all know of the girls fighting to go over with Wasted and Mr L. Many also know of the girls that want to go out with me, but I just give them a big "NO".
We've read of RTW adventures with his girls.
No.
I don't agree at all with USB assesment of the girls.
He's so strict that his missing all the fun.


PS: Guys... this will be my last post cause my friend USB is going to hang me by the balls.......

[MonterreyDude]

Iam going to contradict USB here.
His standard of girls is soooooooooooo high, that he only gets one girl once in a blue moon.
I always threaten USB to slap him a little when he gets down here, cause we always quarrel a lot on this thing about girls. But I think this time he's going to do the slapping.
Wasted, Mr L, RTW, they all have more than one girl or at least seem to favor several girls at the clubs, cause in some instances they go first for a good time, plus looks, but favoring a good time with a nice girl above all.
Wasted, USB and me, we are not young and like I have wrote or commented many times, we are going against a very stiff competition than involves 20somethings and 30 somethings with, sometimes, more money than us.
We are dealing with the age factor here, our age factor Vs. the girls age factor.
In other words, I don't think we are in a position that favors us when choosing girls... and the more years that pass, the less there'll be girls to choose from.
For many years now I have managed a standard that allows me to have a nice flock of girls. If within that standard a nice 18 year old like the girl I see at the Prestige pops up... well, come to papa.
If a nice girl like the D girl at the Obsession come over and wants my frienship, she's welcomed.
In between I have many others, not so pretty as the forementioned, but am still having fun.
Again: we are in a point in time where we must stop looking for the bird in the hand... we must go for the birds in the bushes.
And I will contradict USB again.
My friends at my Yahoo groups, bachelors and in their 20's and 30's, are up to their necks in club girls.
One of them is seeing Priscilla at the I place. Joselyn at the O place. And the list goes on and on. Plus, we have to consider all the ones we don't know about.
We all know of the girls fighting to go over with Wasted and Mr L. Many also know of the girls that want to go out with me, but I just give them a big "NO".
We've read of RTW adventures with his girls.
No.
I don't agree at all with USB assesment of the girls.
He's so strict that his missing all the fun.


PS: Guys... this will be my last post cause my friend USB is going to hang me by the balls.......

Great Report Prtyr2,

Plus, in addition to the hunt being more efficient within the confines of El Infinito, the quality of El Infinito, generally, is on par with the medium level clubs, sometimes superior, IMHO, with the girls seemingly being just a little younger, and thinner.

Lately, a chain of events with one particular girl has changed my perspective a little. I used to look for as many of them to bar fine as possible, taking them from El Infinito, El Cielo, Matehuala, etc...each day or every other day of the week, primarily making my selections from those clubs because the price of salidas is quite a bit less than to bar fine them from clubs like Harem, Pasarelas, Bahamas, TVO, or Casino. But, I am apparently becoming lazy and have settled on one particular girl that I like to be around. So, most of my time lately on salida has been spent with her.

I have decided lately that I enjoy endulging in the long-time bar fine with this steady girl, and then the rest of the time, when my girl is working or busy, I enjoy just spending time in the medium level clubs drinking with the girls, socializing with my amigos, continuing the hunt with an eye to the future, setting some new girls up for potential future salidas, keeping lines of communication open with some of my old girls, etc...

My steady "long-time" novia/bar-girl comes to be with me after work or on her day off, usually for 6-12 hours at a time, usually for an average cost of less than about $15US an hour, a figure that is entirely decided upon by me. If you do the math, you can see the merits in that compared to the average salida, which will run you a minimum of about $65US an hour. So, with all she does for me, the level of her GFE, I am really getting by on the cheap.

I mention the economics because I am always a little worried that I am being a cheap bastard with her, always wondering if I am motivating her sufficiently for her to want to return for future long time encounters. I always think about whether I am giving her the wrong idea, that she might eventually decide that I am taking advantage of her. There is no "price" being quoted to me, so I am not really sure how much is too much, or how little is too little.

I try to show her in other ways. relatively inexpensive gifts, chocolates, flowers, tequilla in the room, dinners here and there, movies, etc...hoping that she will see that taking advantage is not my intention, but under these "bar-girl" circumstances, it makes a "qausi-legitimate" romantic encounter significantly more difficult to gauge.

So far, she has been a trooper, and seems to have "feelings" that translate into cheap encounters for me. Lucky me, but I am always wondering how long it will continue to last. I am always attempting to gauge whether I am doing enough both emotionally and monetarily to propel the quality of our encounters month to month to a new plateau, and/or to at least achieve a consistent perpetual level of GFE.

I DO NOT mention this stuff to brag about my circumstances, but more because it IS a very, very, rare set of circumstances in Monterrey, one that I have rarely encountered. I am not always sure I am handling the situation in the best way possible, and whether my tactics seem sufficient to maintain the GFE for the best long term effect.

Airing the details here can sometimes serve to help me consider my tactics, and to yield advice that is helpful coming from mongers that have perhaps already dealt with similiar circumstances, the "legitimate bar girl romance." The actual GFE bar girl encounter "for real" is not common in Mexico, and I actually have little experience in making this kind of thing work to my best interest over the long term. So, if you as a reader have suggestions or comments, I am open to considering them.

This long time arrangement is not easy to find in Monterrey, but I truly prefer it, at least for now, over bar-fining multiple girls for just two hour sessions at a time over the course of my week in Monterrey, and for reasons other than just economics. If not only for the reduced hourly cost, but also because I am extremely fond of this girl, and I enjoy her company. She is the quent-essential GFE, and her sincerity level is right up there with any bar fine I have ever had Worldwide, not a common occurence in Mexico.

For the new visitor, the prospect of finding "long-term" bar girl relationships is pretty rare. It is commonly found in other more notorious venues, such as Thailand, the PI, Colombia, etc...where a steady girl is bar fined usually for anywhere from 12 hours at a time to all week long, same girl. Obviously, there are just as many guys in those other venues that go the opposite direction, preferring "short-time," 3-4 hour encounters. But, I am from the "long-time," GFE camp.

So, my preference for being a "long-time" monger plays a role in my current motice operandi in Monterrey, and in my desire to use the lower end clubs as fertile hunting grounds for GFE. Afterall, my current GFE came from one of the lower end clubs, and my track record has been most encouraging with respect to "qausi legitimate" GFE from the lower end clubs.

The medium and high end clubs seems to be more full of pros than El Infinito. I know that seems hard to believe, but the girls in the medium and high end clubs are perhaps more endoctrinated to a hard nosed mercenary approach than what I have been able to routinely experience out of the lower end clubs.

The girls in the medium and high end clubs rely on using their charm on their intended victims, whereas the girls in the low end clubs seemingly have less experience with running psychological games because their experience in the low end bars limits them. There is very little charm required when you are just a piece of meat on a stage. The girls in the low end clubs have less experience using their charm, seemingly, and my experience is that you can find a greater degree of sincerity from them as a result. The girls in the low end bars still have the same degree of charm, but they are generally not as good at using charm to entice clients. So, it seems to me that girls from the low end bars are better candidates for potential quasi-legitimate GFE encounters due to their sincerity level.

It must also be pointed out that if you are seeking quasi-legitimate GFE in MTY, that Monterrey is a very "short-timer" oriented venue, and the occassional traveler will find "long-time" arrangements almost impossible to negotiate without a significant amount of frustration, and a lot of experience on the ground in Monterrey to cultivate relationships with the girls. So, my approach and my perspective is not one I would generally recommend to the occassional traveler to Monterrey.