Monterrey

[Member #3453]

Interestingly enough, one of the girls in El Infinito told me that her quota in the privados is (20) dances, and that she keeps half the fee, 25 pesos for a 4 minute dance.

Perhaps you know the answers to some questions Carlos, questions that have always nagged me. I realize things probably differ between clubs, but just general answers are fine.

Does the quota I was told, (20) dances, sound correct?

Does she always get her cut of the dance fee, even if she does not achieve the assigned quota?

If so, and she averages (4) dances per hour, such as on weekends, then she makes a damned good wage compared to normal Mexican wage standards. I suspect many of those girls average a lot more than four dances per hour on weekends.

In an eight hour shift, if her average remains constant, and it seemingly does especially on weekends, the (20) dance "Quota Girl" is earning a good wage, plus additional money for special favors in the privados, not to mention her salary. Something smells very fishy in Monterrey.

The girls are always crying poor. They are always worried because they are not making quota. But, many of them are in the privados a lot. I fail to see how they would not normally make quota, especially in a bar as populated at El Infinito. Plus, most of the girls remain in the privados for multiple dances with the same dude, with little or no time between new clients. Twenty dances seems like a cake walk.

If she achieves quota, what is the amount of her nightly salary, and does it directly accrue in addition to her earnings in the privados, 25 pesos per song?

All of this is profoundly relevant when calculating why a girl does or does not agree to go on salida, nothwithstanding all the other obvious reasons. A thorough understanding of the system is valuable in planning which days of the week to visit Monterrey, when to ask them to meet you after work, what you should expect to pay them on salida, what motivates the girl so you do not pay too much, but so you will know what to pay in order to pay just enough for future motivational effect, etc...

I also find it very surprising that most of the girls all quote the same girl fee, like they are in the union or something. You would think that the girl fees would be all over the board if the girl fees are left up to the discretion of the individual girls.

I've been able to get girls to go with me for 500 pesos on occassion, but the norm quoted is 1000-1200 pesos. The original quotation out of the box to newbies, or from girls that don't know me, is always 1000-1200 pesos, usually 1000 pesos. It seems like the actual fee you end up paying, once you become known, seems to be around 500-700 pesos, if they like you. But, there are just as many girls that only agree to go if you caugh-up the one thousand pesos.

USB says: the house gets the entire amount of the salida fee, 350 pesos for 1.5 hours. The girl gets nothing of the salida fee.
Carlos says: yes, the house keeps all the salida fee.

USB says: the salida fee is charged to the girl if she wants time off from the job after she has clocked in. It applies whether she wants time off from the bar to make money on some hotel action, whether she has to go the dentist, doctor, shopping, her kids, whatever the reason, they are charged the salida fee for being absent from work.
Carlos: Yes, but only sometimes... if business is good and the club is low on girls, they charge them. If the full manifest is present, they don't care and let them go, but sometimes the next day the girls have to work full quota with no salary.

[MonterreyDude]

USB says: the house gets the entire amount of the salida fee, 350 pesos for 1.5 hours. The girl gets nothing of the salida fee.
Carlos says: yes, the house keeps all the salida fee.

USB says: the salida fee is charged to the girl if she wants time off from the job after she has clocked in. It applies whether she wants time off from the bar to make money on some hotel action, whether she has to go the dentist, doctor, shopping, her kids, whatever the reason, they are charged the salida fee for being absent from work.
Carlos: Yes, but only sometimes... if business is good and the club is low on girls, they charge them. If the full manifest is present, they don't care and let them go, but sometimes the next day the girls have to work full quota with no salary.

Well, you illustrate another very good reason for some of the cryptic references that are so commonly found here.

Anyone who regularly engages in the salidas, especially where the girls are meeting us during off hours, should be aware of the potential "complications," and the potential havoc that it can cause on our best laid plans, especially best laid plans that we regularly rely on when we revisit Monterrey frequently. Frankly, even to refer to the girls by initial is a risky thing to do, and it could possibly come back to haunt us, not likely, but possible. That is why I usually refer to the girls using synonyms rather than initials.

I remember that towards the end of our "relationship," Angry Girl was reprimanded by her boss with respect to staying out with me too long. She was compelled by her boss to tell me that if I wanted to stay more than the standard 1.5-2 hours, I would be required to pay the double salida, 700 pesos for 3-4 hours, 1100 pesos for 5-7 hours, etc...

I initially suspected that she was making it up to earn a portion of the salida fee, but it has since come to my attention, correct me if I'm wrong Carlos, that the house gets the entire amount of the salida fee, 350 pesos for 1.5 hours. The girl gets nothing of the salida fee.

Likewise, the salida fee is charged to the girl if she wants time off from the job after she has clocked in. It applies whether she wants time off from the bar to make money on some hotel action, whether she has to go the dentist, doctor, shopping, her kids, whatever the reason, they are charged the salida fee for being absent from work. It's my understanding that it's not like they're earning dinero in the privados where they earn a portion of the dance fee, 25 pesos for a 50 peso song.

So, Angry Girl was apparently being honest with me, and the boss had scolded her for being out past her curfew, something that apparently was becoming too much the norm. There were times that she would hang around for 4-6 hours on a 350 pesos salida. She was definitely starting to get some crap over it.

So far, the bosses have been relatively liberal with me, usually allowing me to stay out with them for 2-3 hours on a 350 pesos fee, but I suspect it's mostly due to a coma inducing sugar high from the sweet chocolate chips and the high glucose levels in the dough from las galletas :-)

But, seriously, most of these managers are pretty damned tough with respect to "the rules," undoubtedly jeapardizing their jobs were they to depart too wildly from what the owners dictate. For example, I have bar fined countless girls from these clubs, and even when the managers know me as well as they do, they always require that I provide identification when taking one of their girls out, even if it's a girl that I bar fine regularly. I assume it's a procedure that's been dictated to them by their owners. They do not typically allow me to take them out without completing all the paperwork.

[Member #3453]

Well, you illustrate another very good reason for some of the cryptic references that are so commonly found here.

Anyone who regularly engages in the salidas, especially where the girls are meeting us during off hours, should be aware of the potential "complications," and the potential havoc that it can cause on our best laid plans, especially best laid plans that we regularly rely on when we revisit Monterrey frequently. Frankly, even to refer to the girls by initial is a risky thing to do, and it could possibly come back to haunt us, not likely, but possible. That is why I usually refer to the girls using synonyms rather than initials.

I remember that towards the end of our "relationship," Angry Girl was reprimanded by her boss with respect to staying out with me too long. She was compelled by her boss to tell me that if I wanted to stay more than the standard 1.5-2 hours, I would be required to pay the double salida, 700 pesos for 3-4 hours, 1100 pesos for 5-7 hours, etc...

I initially suspected that she was making it up to earn a portion of the salida fee, but it has since come to my attention, correct me if I'm wrong Carlos, that the house gets the entire amount of the salida fee, 350 pesos for 1.5 hours. The girl gets nothing of the salida fee.

Likewise, the salida fee is charged to the girl if she wants time off from the job after she has clocked in. It applies whether she wants time off from the bar to make money on some hotel action, whether she has to go the dentist, doctor, shopping, her kids, whatever the reason, they are charged the salida fee for being absent from work. It's my understanding that it's not like they're earning dinero in the privados where they earn a portion of the dance fee, 25 pesos for a 50 peso song.

So, Angry Girl was apparently being honest with me, and the boss had scolded her for being out past her curfew, something that apparently was becoming too much the norm. There were times that she would hang around for 4-6 hours on a 350 pesos salida. She was definitely starting to get some crap over it.

So far, the bosses have been relatively liberal with me, usually allowing me to stay out with them for 2-3 hours on a 350 pesos fee, but I suspect it's mostly due to a coma inducing sugar high from the sweet chocolate chips and the high glucose levels in the dough from las galletas :-)

But, seriously, most of these managers are pretty damned tough with respect to "the rules," undoubtedly jeapardizing their jobs were they to depart too wildly from what the owners dictate. For example, I have bar fined countless girls from these clubs, and even when the managers know me as well as they do, they always require that I provide identification when taking one of their girls out, even if it's a girl that I bar fine regularly. I assume it's a procedure that's been dictated to them by their owners. They do not typically allow me to take them out without completing all the paperwork. Adherence to the procedures discourages skimming, and it protects their valuable comodity, their lineup.

Anyone reading this, this thing about "the house never loses" goes way into the fact that the girls are not allowed to see customers in off hours to arrange monetary business with them. Yes I know that the girls are free to do what ever they want outside the club premises, but in real time that is not true (the 5 star clubs and the mayority of the moderate priced and some say even the Infinito is starting to do it) and it is enforced with fines (1000 pesos) or the girl getting kicked off the club.

[MonterreyDude]

If you hadn't learned the ways of Monterrey, I don't think you would have brought any cookies at all.

Remember on you last trip, whe we left the Obsession after lunch, Wasted, RTW, you and me? The Americans that were coming out of the jacuzzi with Yamilith and Lady???
Those guys were ripped off way above the 1,000 dll figure... each.
And that was in the afternoon shift... imagine in the night shift where no mercy is shown to the customer???

And when Wasted and Mr L started to come down here, the top notch, #1 divas of the Prestige impossed a "no one sits with the gringo except us" rule and the house allowed that imposition on the regular girls cause they thought the "dumb" gringo would fall for them.
In a sense and at the begining, Wasted and L did till I pointed out and understood the modus operandi of them, that they would be at several tables at the same time (plain rotation up and down the floor), they would order drinks, carry them away and come back empty handed just to order another drink and so on... all the tricks in the book.
When we openly contested them, a couple of them became angry (Aleli, now gone, never talked to me directly even when sitting with Wasted for hours across from me; Adriana up to a couple of months either; Eli, Fernanda are friends now but were they pissed off when they were squeezed out in favor of others; and Alejandra, did she HATE me... and others too, whose names I do not remember).
This would have made us an enemy of the house, really and truely, cause we customers are there to leave money, lots of money, not make friends with the girls.

PS: Anyone reading this, this thing about "the house never loses" goes way into the fact that the girls are not allowed to see customers in off hours to arrange monetary business with them. Yes I know that the girls are free to do what ever they want outside the club premises, but in real time that is not true (the 5 star clubs and the mayority of the moderate priced and some say even the Infinito is starting to do it) and it is enforced with fines (1000 pesos) or the girl getting kicked off the club.

My comments were kind of made tongue in cheek, merely articulating my disappointment with the state of affairs at Obsession. But, if they ARE in the business of extracting money from us, they are in a losing proposition to date.

But, I have to humbly and embarrassingly admit, there was that one time when I visited Poisson for the first time in Monterrey about five years ago, prior to actually meeting Carlos, that I literally spent almost 5000 pesos. But, "fool me once shame on them, fool me twice..." Thank God it had only happened once.

They have a very difficult time actually making any money on us now. As you said, the primary reason we are tolerated at all is because the managers like us. But, thankfully, what makes it fun is that we are more than tolerated, we are actually quite welcome. With respect to Obsession, I do not see too many other patrons being offered, totally unsolicited, appetizers free of charge.

They know we are not going to spend any money in there per se, least wise not much in the big scheme of things, yet they are pretty nice to us anyway, and with seemingly NO expectations otherwise. We are an anomaly compared to the average visitor.

It's important to illustrate for the occassional traveler that they are mercenary otherwise, and especially to newbie Gringos that might not otherwise get it, such as was the case on my maiden visit to Poisson.

Your post IS right on point, and words to the wise...I also must point out that had it not been for Carlos' sage advice over the course of the last five years, given without further expectation from me other than friendship, I would have lost many more pesos in the process of learning the ropes...well, maybe a cookie or two here or there too, but a very small price to pay...Thanks CP.

[Member #3453]

The corrections on the report that Prok posted in the "Distinction" Category have been updated with Carlos' corrections. Thanks for that as well. And, Prok, your posting in the "Distinction" Category with respect to "other" activities is excellent. Thanks.

Carlos, It might be good to post some information in the "reports of distinction" category relative to the locations of las pulgas too. I only remember the one on Reforma, between Pino Suarez and Juarez. Does it have a specific name? Would you agree that it's about 4 blocks long and approximately 3 or 4 isles wide? And, there are several others around the city, but I forget what they are called, and their exact locations.

[Member #3453]

My comments were kind of made tongue in cheek, merely articulating my disappointment with the state of affairs at Obsession. But, if they ARE in the business of extracting money from us, they are in a losing proposition to date.

But, I have to humbly and embarrassingly admit, there was that one time when I visited Poisson for the first time in Monterrey about five years ago, prior to actually meeting Carlos, that I literally spent almost 5000 pesos. But, "fool me once shame on them, fool me twice..." Thank God it had only happened once.

They have a very difficult time actually making any money on us now. As you said, the primary reason we are tolerated at all is because the managers like us. But, thankfully, what makes it fun is that we are more than tolerated, we are actually quite welcome. With respect to Obsession, I do not see too many other patrons being offered, totally unsolicited, appetizers free of charge.

They know we are not going to spend any money in there per se, least wise not much in the big scheme of things, yet they are pretty nice to us anyway, and with seemingly NO expectations otherwise. We are an anomaly compared to the average visitor.

It's important to illustrate for the occassional traveler that they are mercenary otherwise, and especially to newbie Gringos that might not otherwise get it, such as was the case on my maiden visit to Poisson.

Your post IS right on point, and words to the wise...I also must point out that had it not been for Carlos' sage advice over the course of the last five years, given without further expectation from me other than friendship, I would have lost many more pesos in the process of learning the ropes...well, maybe a cookie or two here or there too, but a very small price to pay...Thanks CP.

Am surprised at your question: "the owners, what do they know? They can't even put on a decent buffet lately (well, maybe one place...Prestige)."

One thing has to be made clear: Their business is not the restaurant business.
Their business is our money, to get as much money as possible from our wallets and then more.
They don't care if the girls make the daily salary, they care that the house gets money, lots of it.
You've grown soft and lowered your guard cause we are treated well at these clubs. But there are others and we have been witness of this, where customers are left penniless with a high tab and even then you can see them being escorted to an ATM to get more out of them
Everybody here reading these posts should always be on their guard.
We always talk in high regard of the clubs we go to, we amply recomend them, but if you are not watching, if you are not careful you can be totally ripped off in less than half an hour.

Let me cite a case in point: Wasted and me were ripped off by one of the waitresses at the Prestige. She was serving single drinks but charging double drinks. We noticed this, obvioulsy, when paying. There was no power in the world that would overturn the tab, not even being friends to the manager.
Above everything she is loyal to the house, not to us. Specially at the Prestige where one of the owners is always there checking business.
The most I was able to later on, was get the waitress fired after I talked to the administrator. And get a load of this: the waitres was not fired, she was only punished and moved to the Casino, where I still see her.
The house always wins... not us.
Never forget this.

[MonterreyDude]

Am surprised at your question: "the owners, what do they know? They can't even put on a decent buffet lately (well, maybe one place...Prestige)."

One thing has to be made clear: Their business is not the restaurant business.
Their business is our money, to get as much money as possible from our wallets and then more.
They don't care if the girls make the daily salary, they care that the house gets money, lots of it.
You've grown soft and lowered your guard cause we are treated well at these clubs. But there are others and we have been witness of this, where customers are left penniless with a high tab and even then you can see them being escorted to an ATM to get more out of them
Everybody here reading these posts should always be on their guard.
We always talk in high regard of the clubs we go to, we amply recomend them, but if you are not watching, if you are not careful you can be totally ripped off in less than half an hour.

Let me cite a case in point: Wasted and me were ripped off by one of the waitresses at the Prestige. She was serving single drinks but charging double drinks. We noticed this, obvioulsy, when paying. There was no power in the world that would overturn the tab, not even being friends to the manager.
Above everything she is loyal to the house, not to us. Specially at the Prestige where one of the owners is always there checking business.
The most I was able to later on, was get the waitress fired after I talked to the administrator. And get a load of this: the waitres was not fired, she was only punished and moved to the Casino, where I still see her.
The house always wins... not us.
Never forget this.

Ok, certainly...I understand. I thought you preferred the Harem. But, as we have all said, things fluctuate.

And, with respect to the owners, what do they know? They can't even put on a decent buffet lately (well, maybe one place...Prestige).

[Member #3453]

Ok, certainly...I understand. I thought you preferred the Harem. But, as we have all said, things fluctuate.

And, with respect to the owners, what do they know? They can't even put on a decent buffet lately (well, maybe one place...Prestige).

It is not my opinon, it's the owners. Am being objective here...
Just like I said, like Obsession and Prestige. Prestige is more expensive, therefore it is the better club.
It is their way of thinking and operating, not mine.
And my home away from home is the Harem, not the Casino... I only go to Casino when my Lambs are not at the clubs.

[MonterreyDude]

It is not my opinon, it's the owners. Am being objective here...
Just like I said, like Obsession and Prestige. Prestige is more expensive, therefore it is the better club.
It is their way of thinking and operating, not mine.
And my home away from home is the Harem, not the Casino... I only go to Casino when my Lambs are not at the clubs.

Thanks for the Corrections...But with respect to the addresses, you will have to update your map to make the street names readable. I will try to go into the original post to correct the data. With respect to the reports of distinction, Prok, do you have to make that change to the update, or do I have to...anybody know?

As for your "opionions" concerning Harem compared to Casino Carlos...Well, I was just being kind. I know how much you like Casino...so. Except, I have to admit, I reconnected with Cindy #2 at Casino, so...whatever...they are comparable, IMHO. (Harem is better!)

Carlos, can we post your maps in the reports of distinction area? That would solve a lot of problems, if of course, I could read them.

[Member #3453]

Thanks for the Corrections...But with respect to the addresses, you will have to update your map to make the street names readable. I will try to go into the original post to correct the data.

Carlos, As for your "opionions" concerning Harem compared to Casino...Well, I was just being kind. I know how much you like Casino...so. Except, I have to admit, I reconnected with Cindy #2 at Casino, so...whatever...they are comparable, IMHO. (But, from my warped Gringo perspective, Harem is better!). Bahamas...uh, I don't know...I would probably rate it along with Casino...mediocre. :-)

Carlos, can we post your maps in the reports of distinction area? That would solve a lot of problems, if of course, I could read them. If not there, then perhaps in the photos section.

USB, take note...

Matehuela = Matehuala
Excalibre = Excalibur

Casino's address is Madero Ave or Colon Ave. at Capt. Aguilar and Casino is above Harem' category. I know it doesn't look like it, but it is. Remeber, same owners, prices are higher there so they consider it better (just like Prestige and Obsession).

Bahamas (North of Obsession on Guerrero Ave. is lower than Casino and Harem (all under the same ownership).

More adresess to be corrected:
Prestige, Madero Ave y Veinte de Noviembre (If your getting in on taxi you enter on Madero Ave )
Amnesia, Simon Bolivar (every taxi driver knows the address).
Premier, 700 Block of Ruiz Cortines

[MonterreyDude]

USB, take note...

Matehuela = Matehuala
Excalibre = Excalibur

Casino's address is Madero Ave or Colon Ave. at Capt. Aguilar and Casino is above Harem' category. I know it doesn't look like it, but it is. Remeber, same owners, prices are higher there so they consider it better (just like Prestige and Obsession).

Bahamas (North of Obsession on Guerrero Ave. is lower than Casino and Harem (all under the same ownership).

More adresess to be corrected:
Prestige, Madero Ave y Veinte de Noviembre (If your getting in on taxi you enter on Madero Ave )
Amnesia, Simon Bolivar (every taxi driver knows the address).
Premier, 700 Block of Ruiz Cortines

Proko, the adresses are wrong, the names are wrong... I just gave them a look.
Sorry USB... you know your way around. Your Spanish is still bordering the pits.

[MonterreyDude]

Proko, the adresses are wrong, the names are wrong... I just gave them a look.
Sorry USB... you know your way around. Your Spanish is still bordering the pits.

I just noticed that Monterrey had NO reports in the "Distinction" area. Considering the tremendous number of posts here, I transferred 2 as a start - USB's Club report and an extended version of my MP reports. This way any newbie requests can be sent to these reports which will always be easy to find.

Cheers, -P

[MonterreyDude]

Not these kind of girls... cold as the US counterparts.

I thought that's what everybody wants...sheeeesh!

[Member #3453]

I thought that's what everybody wants...sheeeesh!

just plain boring unpassionate sex with a dumb girl

[Member #3453]

Thanks for looking out for me Prok...no Shit!!! Thank God for an occassional saving grace... :-)

And, I have to admit, after all the commotion, I have finally started to explore the ISG website again. You all may or may not remember, but the ISG site was incapacitated for a very long time about a year or two ago, and you could literally never access anything. It was like it was "Lost in Cyber- Espacio." Anyway, after it came back, I returned, and at the obvious peril of some, I resumed my activities here. But, I had otherwise ignored exploring some of the site's improvements.

The "Reports of Distinction" solves the problem with respect to the cross talk that aggravates some. Perhaps the reports of distinction section could also be compartmentalized for specifics with each venue, like hotels, massage review, pimping girls, etc...That would leave this open to Chat, and also eliminate our having to repeat the post I just reiterated this morning. That post has been posted more than once here as a reply to many inquiries, just slightly altered to accomodate the specific inquiry here or there, and to answer PM's.

I will take it up with Jackson tonight...

WastedG, it only counts if it was a nude, female, Rabi... :-)

No offense to anyones religious sensitivities intended...

I just noticed that Monterrey had NO reports in the "Distinction" area. Considering the tremendous number of posts here, I transferred 2 as a start - USB's Club report and an extended version of my MP reports. This way any newbie requests can be sent to these reports which will always be easy to find.

Cheers, -P