Monterrey

[MonterreyDude]

USB says: "Now...with respect to the "bb" comments, barebacking is almost the norm in Asia. I am NOT the individual that Carlos refers to as the "guy who was barebacking in Asia" when talking with the girls because, usually, I do not bareback the girls in Monterrey, nor have I visited Asia for well over a year. "

Of course I didn't mean you, I meant someone from another forum.

USB saya: "In addition, barebacking a girl in Monterrey is infinitely safer than barebacking anything you will find on the streets or in the clubs of the US. There is NO health standard established in the US because everything IS EXTREMELY ILLEGAL. Mexico is a much safer venue than the US. Wonders never cease."

That is not true and it still, yes still, amazes me how can you (in general, not USB) still see the business as if it exists only when you guys come to Monterrey for a visit.
You are not the only Americans (or Europeans) coming down here. In between your trips (USBs, Wasted, Milljust, Roundtheworld, etc). And the Infinito is not the only club they visit.
As a matter of fact, just yesterday, at the Harem, I found that one of the waiters of the Infinito was acting as a guide for a couple of Americans that paid him to take them around.
And they were paying customers with lots of green bills.
And the girls will always fall for guys with money.
That is what I fear the most and once in a while the rumor always comes around to me that the girls are doing Americans without condoms cause they believe... I don't know, the girls believe anything accompanied by money.
Case in point: My favorite (now in hiatus) at the Matehuala asked me once if I knew the American guy that took girls out, cause he was doing it with them without a condom.
Another one: a former girl from the Obsession was boasting, yes boasting, that he kept her cutomers happy and coming back cause she didn't use a condom (this in general... she had her big male harem going on).
Plus: 2 of my regulars have told me that I could do it without a condom with them cause they trust me (shall I trust them?)... not to mention a third one that wants a baby with me.
Plus bis: one of the girls at the Prestige has a recurring visitor from outside of Mexico. She doesn't boast it, but one of my now gone girls told me that the girl just loves his foreign guy and that they never use a condom.
And...: the high end clubs get the high paying customers from my area of Monterrey (Colonia del Valle) and they never, never use condoms.
May I point out that many of the new genereations of customers and girls are naive. They are really the pitts in education. All of them did not live thru the AIDS crisis as we did.
And since the Mexican media does not carry any STD related news, like statistics or related stuff, they just simply think that it doesn't exist or that it can be cured with a couple of pills.

Let us stand with both our feet firmly planted on the ground: The word "bareback" just can't cross the mind anymore.
That is part of a past long gone, not to come back soon enough for us.


By the way.
Iam not going into the wild and crazy gay and bisexual scene at the AI or the Taboo. Wasted has been witness to this a couple of times.
But just FYI, many of the club girls do double shifts at the gay clubs cause they get payed there high end money for their services.
Think that Iam gonna play Russian Roulette after knowing this???
No sir... Dr. Condom's invention has been my best friend since the late 80's.

Carlos said:

"You've been called "Coqueto" (Coqueta aplies to girls)... but in that instance they are not using the word a flirt but as a guy that just goes for any girl. I know cause I have been called that and many other adjectives.
R girl is working at El Cielo right now. And sorry to tell you, but R girl is so good in faking it...."

clients that the numbers must be staggering. So, I speculate that it's a combination of all reasons I sited, but regardless, I do sense a remorseful kind of sadness in her demeanor, founded in her realization that there is nothing between us, not even financial, when she is with me in the privados.

for disaster.

I know a lot of guys that bareback girls in Asia all the time. Barebacking in Asia is more common than not. Most of the guys I know eventually catch something, usually nothing too serious, but it doesn't take long. Most of them are into having "orgy like/porn star" group sex experiences, so their potential for disaster escelates markedly compared to my own former strategy in Asia. My strategy was consciously and calculatingly planned to be significantly more conservative for health reasons already stated, in order to statistically reduce my potential for problems.

But, my personal opinion about barebacking in Monterrey is that, in Monterrey, because of the health requirements in place, if one were foolish enough to bareback them, there is probably no venue on earth where the safety factor is as rigorous, due to their weekly health checks, than in Monterrey. So, to compare Monterrey to Asia is a falicy. They are not comparable venues, not in almost every sense of the word.

In addition, barebacking a girl in Monterrey is infinitely safer than barebacking anything you will find on the streets or in the clubs of the US. There is NO health standard established in the US because everything IS EXTREMELY ILLEGAL. Mexico is a much safer venue than the US. Wonders never cease...

[Member #3453]

Carlos said:

"You've been called "Coqueto" (Coqueta aplies to girls)... but in that instance they are not using the word a flirt but as a guy that just goes for any girl. I know cause I have been called that and many other adjectives.
R girl is working at El Cielo right now. And sorry to tell you, but R girl is so good in faking it...."

Sure, with respect to their use of the word "Coqueto," I realized they are all calling me a "butterfly." Hahaha, as if they are "loyal to us." Fact is, there is probably no word in the English language that means the same thing as the Spanish word. Regardless, at least they are always smiling, or acting out a false anger when they use the word, using it more in a playful sense. They aren't using the word in a hostile manner with me.

With respect to the "R" girl, she is a great actress. But, she is consistently great at her job, with very little discernable evidence of insincerity. I realize she is merely putting on airs to earn more money. But, she is fun and enjoyable in the process, so I give her credit.

But, you are right about one thing. Having known her over the course of several salidas a couple of years ago, and also having known her now for several years, I no longer desire to take her on salida. I find it more enjoyable just bantering with her in the club, perhaps sometimes not even taking her into the privados for months on end.

I can tell that she is disappointed that she is not earning my salida money any more, and she has an almost undiscernable air of melancholy when she is with me on the rare occassions that I do take her in the privados. It's like she realizes that she has lost me as a paying client. It is very difficult to detect this in her demeanor because she is such a good actress, but it is, none-the-less, an "emotion" and "disappointment" that is there.

I don't know if it's legitimate feeling of loss for sentimental reasons, or jealousy that I am skipped over her, or totally financial, or what...I mean, the girl is busy 24/7, whenever she is working, so losing USB as a client is not something that is effecting her income stream. She has sooooooo many clients that the numbers must be staggering. So, I speculate that it's a combination of all reasons I sited, but regardless, I do sense a remorseful kind of sadness in her demeanor, founded in her realization that there is nothing between us, not even financial, when she is with me in the privados.

I did give her a cheap Walmart bottle of Charlie perfume at Christmas, just to be a nice guy, and I instructed her to rub it all over you (Carlos) the next chance she gets-NOT!!! :-)

Anyway, when I gave her this little bottle of perfume, wrapped in festive Christmas paper with a little bow, she looked at me quizically as if to ask, "why me, USB." It was like she had all but given up on my ever taking her on salida again, that she knew we were not seeing each other, and that I was never really patronizing her much. She knew I had lost interest in "That." I just told her it is because she is my friend, and I like her. She just kind of marveled at my statement, thanked me, with a sad look in her eyes, and hugging me tightly, called me her "Amor." hahahaha!!!

Now...with respect to the "bb" comments, barebacking is almost the norm in Asia. I am NOT the individual that Carlos refers to as the "guy who was barebacking in Asia" when talking with the girls because, usually, I do not bareback the girls in Monterrey, nor have I visited Asia for well over a year.

I am in agreement with Carlos, and I DO try to be more responsible these days. But, frankly, there was a time when....well, lets just say there was a time when I was less cautious. My strategy in Asia, if choosing to bareback in the past, was always to choose, and stick with, a lesser number of girls.

My method of operation when choosing to bareback in Asia was always to choose a girl, stay with her for several days, and to limit my "butterflying tendencies." During time when I butterflied, I would always use condoms. But, I must also point out that, over the course of several excursions to Asia myself, I have never contracted a thing. However, I also employed the use of antibiotic cocktails at the appropriate times to mitigate any potential for disaster.

I know a lot of guys that bareback girls in Asia all the time. Barebacking in Asia is more common than not. Most of the guys I know eventually catch something, usually nothing too serious, but it doesn't take long. Most of them are into having "orgy like/porn star" group sex experiences, so their potential for disaster escelates markedly compared to my own former strategy in Asia. My strategy was consciously and calculatingly planned to be significantly more conservative for health reasons already stated, in order to statistically reduce my potential for problems.

But, my personal opinion about barebacking in Monterrey is that, in Monterrey, because of the health requirements in place, if one were foolish enough to bareback them, there is probably no venue on earth where the safety factor is as rigorous, due to their weekly health checks, than in Monterrey. So, to compare Monterrey to Asia is a falicy. They are not comparable venues, not in almost every sense of the word.

In addition, barebacking a girl in Monterrey is infinitely safer than barebacking anything you will find on the streets or in the clubs of the US. There is NO health standard established in the US because everything IS EXTREMELY ILLEGAL. Mexico is a much safer venue than the US. Wonders never cease...

These are NOT statements meant to endorse Barebacking...but merely a fact when comparing Worldwide venues. I do NOT advocate barebacking hookers, or even barebacking random girlfriends for that matter.

I see little reason for the girls to assume that just because they are barebacking a guy from the US, that their risk factor is less. I believe they choose to bareback for other reasons, sentimental, affection, sincere sexual desire, and of course, probably the most influential reason of all, to solidify a relationship for future income stream. But, the reasons they choose to permit a client to bareback them don't really matter.

If we are trying to make a point about the foolishness of barebacking them, then I believe the following has to be pointed out...

Whether girls are barebacking "JOHNS" or barebacking the food cart vender on the corner, I see little argument that because of the Mexicanos (class) they are choosing to bareback, versus a decision to bareback a high rolling permiscuous mongering type from San Pedro, they are in any less danger of contracting a disease.

Frankly, I am more concerned with the "mongering hords" that she is potentially barebacking, the ones that enjoy the "orgy like" experiences of multiple venues and muliple women, versus my concern over the waiter, peanut vendor, flower vendor, or food cart vendor she is choosing to bareback.

In other words, I believe that for them, choosing to bareback, with all their oportunity available, it is extremely risky venture regardless of class. For that reason, I believe that most of them DO NOT generally bareback...novios yes, but average clients, no.

If she has a tendency to bareback, then I just see no correlation between her having levels of concern over the class status of the guy she is barebacking when comparing it to the condomless permiscuity of most of the mongers that she might choose to bareback that are just her routine clients.

To me, the "depraved professional mongerer" is as much a health risk, which includes most of the guys coming down to Monterrey from the US, a venue that has NO stop gap health measures established. But, in this sense, maybe Carlos is right, that the girls just don't realize the equality of danger compared to barebacking their novios, and lower class clients.

But, my experience in Monterrey is that MOST of the girls are pretty careful, usually demanding condoms be used. Obviously, the offer to bareback them comes with increased familiarity. But, initially, most of the girls are pretty conservative that way.

"This may be true to an extent, but I doubt it is true that they bare back too many others."
I am so dissapointed that this comment keeps coming back to the board.
I have not BB a working girl since the late 80's and Iam not planning to do it in the near future.
Why? I have 2 takes on this.
1. And I want to stress that I do not want to offend anyone from any country coming down here, but many visitors to this city are coming down here thinking in the same terms of SEA, that Monterrey is rich in pristine pussy. And I do know a couple of guys from another forum that posted that "Monterrey is the BB capital of Mexico". Worse part is that the girls stupidly think that these nonMexicans are "cleaner" than us locals. And WOW, are they mistaken. Me, I just can't go open my mouth and tell them that the guy you just saw and BB you, just came from an extensive tour of SEA and I read what this guy just did. This is not a question if the girls do or do not BB you. It is a matter WHO BB thems when you do not see.
PS on #1... you guys think that I have never been proposed to do it sans condom by the girls??? Of course they have!!!

2. Again, the same old song. You guys do not see the kind of trash the girls mess with. I liked one of the I place girls a lot (from a distance), but one day I found out who her boyfriend was: the guy that sells candy and nuts from bar to bar. You think Iam gonna touch that girl now... NOPE!

[El Cabron 007]

Iike Carlos siad: In one ear, out of the other. Act like you are intersted in the what they say and be it romantic, be it you ade only one they do this 'special service' with, be it they have kids to feed. But at the end, pay the, tip them, give them $2o for th taxi and they will come back form more. Care for them and reppect the human in them. But they move on to the next one. I love thier Mexican accent/Language.I tell myself how louky I am to have an 18 or 20 y/o girl in my room ready to sex me up.

I have a great time at the Infinito with 5 girls around me downing bears like there is no tomorrow. Expensive yeah, but I enjoy them. Then take one or 2 out for deserts at my place or go to the disco. but love? Doubt it.

I asked "J" out at 7 and told the manager to send me "P" in 2 hours. Told her be to spend the while with me. she shows up with her bags ready for the night. "J" never left.

Wasted

[El Cabron 007]

Well heck, you guys have been complaining about he forum being dull so I decided to bring some of the subject that USB, Calros, Mr. "L" and I discuss in person onto the forum to get it moving again. Although I expected a response, I am shocked at the reaction.

1) She gets mad at you if you buy another girls a drink or if you take another girl upstairs instead of her? (Witnessed this happen to a friend. He knows who he is)

2) Still, she would not mind joining you upstairs with another girl. She may even ask for it or simply pull you up there. (One girl told me she is 1 prevado short of meeting her quota and asked me to buy her one. I told my 'X' girl exactly what happened and told her to wait for me for 4 minutes. On the way to the stairs, I see my 'P' girl. Heck, I fraged her along as well. My 'X' sees me and signals to me that she's gonna kill me, I wave to her to come along, she smiled and joined. They seduced the heck out.

2) If she see you going up with another, she gets mad unless you ask her to come along. (from point # 1)

3) If she's up stairs servicing another mofu and see you up there with another girl, she starts yelling out your name calling you boto. (I was with 2 girls, My 'X' girl was being done by a dude. When the girls yelled out 'otro', the also yelled out my name. my 'X' hears my name and goes crazy because I am with another girl. Wait a minute. You're getting screwed and mad at me for screwing?

4) She gets angry if you take out another girl instead of her yet does not mind coming along as a 3rd wheel. (My 'P' girl asked me to take her out and expressed sadness for taking out other girls. I asked her come along with another girl. No problem.

Does this is all add up to one thing? Money that she is entitled to is now going to someone else? (Yes, We all know the equation. Money, money, money

So you see, nothing happened. I was just blabbering. Wanted to get the forum moving ..

Wasted

What chain of events prompted your comments WastedG? Doooooo Tell. I am always interested in the specific details. And...Lord knows that the board could use an influx of detailed bar girl drama right about now. It has been months since my posting of the Angry Girl fiasco. I have been otherwise pretty happy since.

[Big John 1]

I think wasted was wrong in quoting the 800 peso figure.
I saw that price on the bilboard they have at the front desk and I asked the manager "what the hell is that".
He told me that he had changed the numbers cause some provider had filled the hotel with people paying 550 pesos down from a supposedly 800 rack rate.
Soooo that's it...

I understand about guys needing internet for business,but only reason to stay in expensive hotels right now in Hotel Mundo 260 pesos it was full last night,stayed in Hotel Encanto,400 pesos,Mundo es todo mejor por 260 pesos,why often full,but for a litlle propina got first avaiable room at 9am next morning.

[Big John 1]

I think wasted was wrong in quoting the 800 peso figure.
I saw that price on the bilboard they have at the front desk and I asked the manager "what the hell is that".
He told me that he had changed the numbers cause some provider had filled the hotel with people paying 550 pesos down from a supposedly 800 rack rate.
Soooo that's it...

I understand about guys needing

[MonterreyDude]

you've been called "coqueto" (coqueta aplies to girls)... but in that instance they are not using the word a flirt but as a guy that just goes for any girl.
i know cause i have been called that and many other adjectives.
r girl is working at el cielo right now. and sorry to tell you, but r girl is so good in faking it....

"this may be true to an extent, but i doubt it is true that they bare back too many others."
i am so dissapointed that this comment keeps coming back to the board.
i have not bb a working girl since the late 80's and iam not planning to do it in the near future.
why? i have 2 takes on this.
1. and i want to stress that i do not want to offend anyone from any country coming down here, but many visitors to this city are coming down here thinking in the same terms of sea, that monterrey is rich in pristine pussy. and i do know a couple of guys from another forum that posted that "monterrey is the bb capital of mexico". worse part is that the girls stupidly think that these nonmexicans are "cleaner" than us locals. and wow, are they mistaken. me, i just can't go open my mouth and tell them that the guy you just saw and bb you, just came from an extensive tour of sea and i read what this guy just did. this is not a question if the girls do or do not bb you. it is a matter who bb thems when you do not see.
ps on #1... you guys think that i have never been proposed to do it sans condom by the girls??? of course they have!!!

2. again, the same old song. you guys do not see the kind of trash the girls mess with. i liked one of the i place girls a lot (from a distance), but one day i found out who her boyfriend was: the guy that sells candy and nuts from bar to bar. you think iam gonna touch that girl now... nope!

reference comment #3, what's a "boto" ?

i have been called a flirt..."coqueta!!!!" mostly by the "r" girl, hahaha. but, she had her chance and she blew it. she is too busy, she cut-out early on me one time when on salida, and she now has fake boobs (i like naturales, but her fakes aren't bad actually). anyway, i like her a lot still, and not for any other reasons necessarily other than i like her. oh, she is hot too, but there are a lot of hot girl options. but, personality, fun, funny, and hot are attributes that usually are not wrapped up into one little chica. but, i do not take her on salida anymore...just friends.

by the way, i did not see the "r" girl working at el infinito the entire week i was in town last month, nor was she seemingly around the place on my prior visit. i probably haven't seen her for maybe two months. what gives??? anybody know???

with respect to girls telling me they do nothing in the privados. i, of course, have one in particular that pulled that on me and it pissed me off...angry girl, of course, comes to mind.

last time i was in town i was in the privados talking to "g,"....yes, talking only, which is my usual routine. anyway, angry girl started to sit down with a client across from me. when she saw i was directly across from her, she immediately pulled the dude up from his seat and took him off to another booth, where i couldn't see her performing her obligations.

then later, after i had left the club, wastedg tells me she was asking where i was. i don't know if she is simply wanting to avoid me catching her in the act of "lying," wanting to know where i am at all times, or whether she is starting to soften her attitude toward me.

i assume the former because when i went back to el infinito later in the week. i was sitting close to where she was standing, and she knew i was right there, but taking great pains to ignore me completely. i even looked at her a couple of times to gauge her reaction to me..... but nothing!

but, interestingly, in all prior circumstances where i have been at the club, she has seemingly made a conscious effort to walk to the far side of the club to avoid seeing me. but, this time, she stood close to me, paying no attention to me, but remaining close by. i noticed that change in her methodology. perhaps this trip will reveal an interersting turn of events...or not...no matter, but it is an interesting twist.

wastedg said,

"how many promise they only bb us while i know for a fact they bb many others?"

this may be true to an extent, but i doubt it is true that they bare back too many others. the girls run a huge risk of being fired were they to contract a disease. they have weekly health checks, checks that if they test postive for something, they are out of a job.

most of the girls are pretty damned calculating about their jobs, and while i am sure they bareback other guys on occassion, i think most of them are probably pretty protective of their jobs. if they are barebacking you, i assume they must trust (love/lust for) you pretty much. i would consider it a relatively sincere form of trust, lust, and affection on their parts because the risk to them is huge in all respects.

females are much more susceptible to hiv and stds, and the chances they will catch an std are very high if they choose to "bb" too often. frankly, most of the girls working in the clubs seem like they would have little need to bareback us, or to even have sex at all with us, even if they are legitimately fond of us, even to the extent of loving us to death. with the frequency at which they engage in sex on a daily basis in the privados, i would think sex is the last thing on their minds. so, imho, for them to permit you to "bb" them is kind of sweet.

most of them will not risk it otherwise. there simply isn't usually enough time between health checks to develop a symptom of an std, and they would have to be on a constant regimen of antibotics, antibiotics that are different for a number of different stds. they would literally have to ingest at least three different antibiotics to combat most std's. so, taking the precautionary antibiotic cocktail for them, is not really practical. it is also relatively unsafe, and probably, over time, potentially ineffective if they do it continuually as a stop gag measure to avoid contracting an std from multiple partners.

i remember my girl over at el cielo was the only girl that tested postitive for something a couple of months ago. it does happen on occassion. every once in a while you will hear of girls that have lost their jobs as a result. so, most of the girls i know are pretty protective of that potential risk, and can not afford to lose their jobs for a momentary indiscretion. but, in her case, "a" girl at el cielo i mean, the fact that she caught something does not surprise me. she was an absolute nymphomaniac.

"a" girl was so much fun, sexually. being with her was like being a porn star in a movie. i suspected it would only be a matter of time before she would not be working there due to disease issues. it simply is too difficult for them, with weekly checks, to anticipate that they have a problem. plus, many stds, will continue on in the body with no symptoms for weeks on end.

wastedg said,

"when you have sex, you are paying. but when i have sex, i'm getting paid. who's the smart one now?"

that is a curious statement for them to make. i have had girls tell me that they do it for their kids, for their family, because they want to buy a house, because they want to fund a legitimate business, etc...i think in their minds, they believe their own reasoning, and they have justified their jobs in their own minds as legitimate. in most cases, when you consider the extremely low wages they would otherwise earn were they not strippers and hookers, i am not too sure i would have the strength of character to do otherwise myself were i in their shoes.

a curious subject that carlos and i have discussed a number of times is how some of the girls, because they are physically in a place of business, such as the obsession or prestige, believe that by being there, they are legitimized, and not in the same category as a hooker.

one girl comes to mind. remember the "k" girl at prestige. she once said when we were talking about prostitution, that how "being a prostitute must be an awful existence," and how she is glad she isn't one of those. the younger generation does not view their jobs as being common prostitutes. most of them view their jobs as being entertainers and hostesses. they don't seem to be able to come to the personal realization that they are actually hookers. this is a characteristic that carlos and i began to notice relatively recently in the younger generation of girls.

but, if you press them on whether their friends and family know what they do, most of them will tell you, with a definite look of worry in their eyes, that their friends and family would be totally mortified were they to find out what they do to earn a living. so, there are still just as many of them that realize they are nothing more than hookers. but, i am convinced that most of them are so screwed up, and so delusional moment to moment, that they would not really know the truth were it to hit them square in the face.

and, the important point of all this is that the girls, therefore, have an attitude toward us, as a result of their delusions, an attitude that empowers them to act very independently toward us. i have noticed a significant air of independence from the younger generation, one that suggests they do not see themselves as prostitutes, but as employees on the job. many of the girls see us as the privileged, and themselves as "professionally competant actresses," or "benovolent angels of mercy."

to many of them, they are just doing their jobs, jobs that they almost see as legitimate as working in a factory, oxxo, or wherever, except they are too embarrassed to tell anybody about it. being employed exempts them, in their own minds only of course, from any responsibility for what they do. but, they still realize the social stigma attached to it, but they've justified it in their own minds.

their delusions must somehow insulate them from the social stigma that they would apparently feel psychologically otherwise were they just freelance hookers. i also think that to many of them, the end, mucho dinero in comparison to all their peers, justifies almost anything they do. hence the statement "when you have sex, you are paying. but when i have sex, i'm getting paid. who's the smart one now?." they see themselves as smarter than their peers, regardless of the extent to which they conduct themselves immorally.

the girls place no value on their morality as long as they are performing their jobs. all their attention is based on raising themselves up in a society that is stacked against them, especially with respect to the darkness of their skin, and their ethnicity. i don't say these things to criticize any one society, or to somehow believe i am above them morally, because clearly, i am not. fact is, my personal opinion is that we "johns" are not so different from our "hookers" if we are really going to be truthful with ourselves.

the one thing that wastedg did not mention in his list of grievences, are the girls that claim the money is "no importa." i have only found one girl in mty that i might believe that about, and that is with significant skepticism even at that. i have sooooo many of them tell me the money doesn not matter, and they will go with me free. most of them are full of baloney. but, there have been a few that have delivered on their claims. but, over time, most of them decide they are in it to make money, and things eventually fall apart if you choose to make freebies a regular routine.

i must admit that i have tested a few of them, just to see if they are full of baloney or not. most of them have delivered on their claims. but, in the long run, i always try to pay them something, either in a discounted amount, or in regalos where there is some value attached to them making the effort. they are not too terribly different than legitimate girlfriends and wives in that regard.

trophies, and/or the numbers of girls we can have, etc...are our measuring stick of success. money and gifts are their measuring stick. and, that applies to hookers as well as legitimate girlfriends and wives. however, it must be said that legitimate girl friends and wives make significantly more sincere effort at actually pleasing us for legitimately felt reasons of course.

if you can find a favorite hooker that has some legitimately felt emotions for you, along with providing her with the psychologically motivating financial incentives, it's a pretty nice arrangement for those of us that take a reprieve from our everyday, routine, and otherwise relatively boring lives by visiting the clubs.

[Member #3453]

reference comment #3, what's a "boto" ?

i have been called a flirt..."coqueta!!!!" mostly by the "r" girl, hahaha. but, she had her chance and she blew it. she is too busy, she cut-out early on me one time when on salida, and she now has fake boobs (i like naturales, but her fakes aren't bad actually). anyway, i like her a lot still, and not for any other reasons necessarily other than i like her. oh, she is hot too, but there are a lot of hot girl options. but, personality, fun, funny, and hot are attributes that usually are not wrapped up into one little chica. but, i do not take her on salida anymore...just friends.

by the way, i did not see the "r" girl working at el infinito the entire week i was in town last month, nor was she seemingly around the place on my prior visit. i probably haven't seen her for maybe two months. what gives??? anybody know???

with respect to girls telling me they do nothing in the privados. i, of course, have one in particular that pulled that on me and it pissed me off...angry girl, of course, comes to mind.

last time i was in town i was in the privados talking to "g,"....yes, talking only, which is my usual routine. anyway, angry girl started to sit down with a client across from me. when she saw i was directly across from her, she immediately pulled the dude up from his seat and took him off to another booth, where i couldn't see her performing her obligations.

then later, after i had left the club, wastedg tells me she was asking where i was. i don't know if she is simply wanting to avoid me catching her in the act of "lying," wanting to know where i am at all times, or whether she is starting to soften her attitude toward me.

i assume the former because when i went back to el infinito later in the week. i was sitting close to where she was standing, and she knew i was right there, but taking great pains to ignore me completely. i even looked at her a couple of times to gauge her reaction to me..... but nothing!

but, interestingly, in all prior circumstances where i have been at the club, she has seemingly made a conscious effort to walk to the far side of the club to avoid seeing me. but, this time, she stood close to me, paying no attention to me, but remaining close by. i noticed that change in her methodology. perhaps this trip will reveal an interersting turn of events...or not...no matter, but it is an interesting twist.

wastedg said,

"how many promise they only bb us while i know for a fact they bb many others?"

this may be true to an extent, but i doubt it is true that they bare back too many others. the girls run a huge risk of being fired were they to contract a disease. they have weekly health checks, checks that if they test postive for something, they are out of a job.

most of the girls are pretty damned calculating about their jobs, and while i am sure they bareback other guys on occassion, i think most of them are probably pretty protective of their jobs. if they are barebacking you, i assume they must trust (love/lust for) you pretty much. i would consider it a relatively sincere form of trust, lust, and affection on their parts because the risk to them is huge in all respects.

females are much more susceptible to hiv and stds, and the chances they will catch an std are very high if they choose to "bb" too often. frankly, most of the girls working in the clubs seem like they would have little need to bareback us, or to even have sex at all with us, even if they are legitimately fond of us, even to the extent of loving us to death. with the frequency at which they engage in sex on a daily basis in the privados, i would think sex is the last thing on their minds. so, imho, for them to permit you to "bb" them is kind of sweet.

most of them will not risk it otherwise. there simply isn't usually enough time between health checks to develop a symptom of an std, and they would have to be on a constant regimen of antibotics, antibiotics that are different for a number of different stds. they would literally have to ingest at least three different antibiotics to combat most std's. so, taking the precautionary antibiotic cocktail for them, is not really practical. it is also relatively unsafe, and probably, over time, potentially ineffective if they do it continuually as a stop gag measure to avoid contracting an std from multiple partners.

i remember my girl over at el cielo was the only girl that tested postitive for something a couple of months ago. it does happen on occassion. every once in a while you will hear of girls that have lost their jobs as a result. so, most of the girls i know are pretty protective of that potential risk, and can not afford to lose their jobs for a momentary indiscretion. but, in her case, "a" girl at el cielo i mean, the fact that she caught something does not surprise me. she was an absolute nymphomaniac.

"a" girl was so much fun, sexually. being with her was like being a porn star in a movie. i suspected it would only be a matter of time before she would not be working there due to disease issues. it simply is too difficult for them, with weekly checks, to anticipate that they have a problem. plus, many stds, will continue on in the body with no symptoms for weeks on end.

wastedg said,

"when you have sex, you are paying. but when i have sex, i'm getting paid. who's the smart one now?"

that is a curious statement for them to make. i have had girls tell me that they do it for their kids, for their family, because they want to buy a house, because they want to fund a legitimate business, etc...i think in their minds, they believe their own reasoning, and they have justified their jobs in their own minds as legitimate. in most cases, when you consider the extremely low wages they would otherwise earn were they not strippers and hookers, i am not too sure i would have the strength of character to do otherwise myself were i in their shoes.

a curious subject that carlos and i have discussed a number of times is how some of the girls, because they are physically in a place of business, such as the obsession or prestige, believe that by being there, they are legitimized, and not in the same category as a hooker.

one girl comes to mind. remember the "k" girl at prestige. she once said when we were talking about prostitution, that how "being a prostitute must be an awful existence," and how she is glad she isn't one of those. the younger generation does not view their jobs as being common prostitutes. most of them view their jobs as being entertainers and hostesses. they don't seem to be able to come to the personal realization that they are actually hookers. this is a characteristic that carlos and i began to notice relatively recently in the younger generation of girls.

but, if you press them on whether their friends and family know what they do, most of them will tell you, with a definite look of worry in their eyes, that their friends and family would be totally mortified were they to find out what they do to earn a living. so, there are still just as many of them that realize they are nothing more than hookers. but, i am convinced that most of them are so screwed up, and so delusional moment to moment, that they would not really know the truth were it to hit them square in the face.

and, the important point of all this is that the girls, therefore, have an attitude toward us, as a result of their delusions, an attitude that empowers them to act very independently toward us. i have noticed a significant air of independence from the younger generation, one that suggests they do not see themselves as prostitutes, but as employees on the job. many of the girls see us as the privileged, and themselves as "professionally competant actresses," or "benovolent angels of mercy."

to many of them, they are just doing their jobs, jobs that they almost see as legitimate as working in a factory, oxxo, or wherever, except they are too embarrassed to tell anybody about it. being employed exempts them, in their own minds only of course, from any responsibility for what they do. but, they still realize the social stigma attached to it, but they've justified it in their own minds.

their delusions must somehow insulate them from the social stigma that they would apparently feel psychologically otherwise were they just freelance hookers. i also think that to many of them, the end, mucho dinero in comparison to all their peers, justifies almost anything they do. hence the statement "when you have sex, you are paying. but when i have sex, i'm getting paid. who's the smart one now?." they see themselves as smarter than their peers, regardless of the extent to which they conduct themselves immorally.

the girls place no value on their morality as long as they are performing their jobs. all their attention is based on raising themselves up in a society that is stacked against them, especially with respect to the darkness of their skin, and their ethnicity. i don't say these things to criticize any one society, or to somehow believe i am above them morally, because clearly, i am not. fact is, my personal opinion is that we "johns" are not so different from our "hookers" if we are really going to be truthful with ourselves.

the one thing that wastedg did not mention in his list of grievences, are the girls that claim the money is "no importa." i have only found one girl in mty that i might believe that about, and that is with significant skepticism even at that. i have sooooo many of them tell me the money doesn not matter, and they will go with me free. most of them are full of baloney. but, there have been a few that have delivered on their claims. but, over time, most of them decide they are in it to make money, and things eventually fall apart if you choose to make freebies a regular routine.

i must admit that i have tested a few of them, just to see if they are full of baloney or not. most of them have delivered on their claims. but, in the long run, i always try to pay them something, either in a discounted amount, or in regalos where there is some value attached to them making the effort. they are not too terribly different than legitimate girlfriends and wives in that regard.

trophies, and/or the numbers of girls we can have, etc...are our measuring stick of success. money and gifts are their measuring stick. and, that applies to hookers as well as legitimate girlfriends and wives. however, it must be said that legitimate girl friends and wives make significantly more sincere effort at actually pleasing us for legitimately felt reasons of course.

if you can find a favorite hooker that has some legitimately felt emotions for you, along with providing her with the psychologically motivating financial incentives, it's a pretty nice arrangement for those of us that take a reprieve from our everyday, routine, and otherwise relatively boring lives by visiting the clubs.

3) if she's up stairs servicing another mofu and see you up there with another girl, she starts yelling out your name calling you boto.

and how man girls tell us they only do this and that with us and no one else? how many promise they only bb us while i know for a fact they bb many others?

and how many tell us they do not have sex upstairs when i’ve seem then while setting across the booth from them providing the full service? still they deny it?

and my favorite: "when you have sex, you are paying. but when i have sex, i'm getting paid. who's the smart one now?"

and last, if you answer back that she does the same thing going from one man to another, she claims it her job, not mine?wasted

[Member #3453]

What chain of events prompted your comments WastedG? Doooooo Tell. I am always interested in the specific details. And...Lord knows that the board could use an influx of detailed bar girl drama right about now. It has been months since my posting of the Angry Girl fiasco. I have been otherwise pretty happy since.

But, Carlos, with respect to treading lightly into Quicksand....better to avoid the Quicksand altogether, verdad?

WastedG, we are safer at home than we are in Monterrey. Everytime I travel to Monterrey, I realize the risks: Emotional, Health, Family, Business, Personal Goals and Ambitions, Family Time....everything seems to take a back seat to Monterrey, at least everything is arranged around eventually getting back there.

But, in spite of my apparent foolishness with these girls month to month, I am growing older and wiser. My goal is to ultimately have control of the beast, but it's slow in coming...maybe when I am ninety-five anos, assuming I live through it all :-)

Does the girl think she owns you and you are there for her and only her?

1) She gets mad at you if you buy another girls a drink or if you take another girl upstairs instead of her?

2) Still, she would not mind joining you upstairs with another girl. She may even ask for it or simply pull you up there.

2) If she see you going up with another, get gets mad unes you ak her to come along.

3) If she's up stairs servicing another mofu and see you up there with another girl, she starts yelling out your name calling you boto.

4) She gets angry if you take out another girl instead of her yet does not mind coming along as a 3rd wheel.

Does this is all add up to one thing? Money that she is entitled to is now going to someone else?

And how man girls tell us they only do this and that with us and no one else? How many promise they only bb us while I know for a fact they bb many others?

And how many tell us they do not have sex upstairs when I’ve seem then while setting across the booth from them providing the full service? Still they deny it?

And my favorite: "When you have sex, you are paying. But when I have sex, I'm getting paid. Who's the smart one now?"

And last, if you answer back that she does the same thing going from one man to another, she claims it her job, not mine?

Lesson: Never trust a word they say. Or am I Wong?

Wasted

[MonterreyDude]

Never pay attention to what they say, but thread carfully when walking into quicksand...

Does the girl think she owns you and you are there for her and only her?

1) She gets mad at you if you buy another girls a drink or if you take another girl upstairs instead of her?

2) Still, she would not mind joining you upstairs with another girl. She may even ask for it or simply pull you up there.

2) If she see you going up with another, get gets mad unes you ak her to come along.

3) If she's up stairs servicing another mofu and see you up there with another girl, she starts yelling out your name calling you boto.

4) She gets angry if you take out another girl instead of her yet does not mind coming along as a 3rd wheel.

Does this is all add up to one thing? Money that she is entitled to is now going to someone else?

And how man girls tell us they only do this and that with us and no one else? How many promise they only bb us while I know for a fact they bb many others?

And how many tell us they do not have sex upstairs when I’ve seem then while setting across the booth from them providing the full service? Still they deny it?

And my favorite: "When you have sex, you are paying. But when I have sex, I'm getting paid. Who's the smart one now?"

And last, if you answer back that she does the same thing going from one man to another, she claims it her job, not mine?

Lesson: Never trust a word they say. Or am I Wong?

Wasted

[El Cabron 007]

Does the girl think she owns you and you are there for her and only her?

1) She gets mad at you if you buy another girls a drink or if you take another girl upstairs instead of her?

2) Still, she would not mind joining you upstairs with another girl. She may even ask for it or simply pull you up there.

2) If she see you going up with another, get gets mad unes you ak her to come along.

3) If she's up stairs servicing another mofu and see you up there with another girl, she starts yelling out your name calling you boto.

4) She gets angry if you take out another girl instead of her yet does not mind coming along as a 3rd wheel.

Does this is all add up to one thing? Money that she is entitled to is now going to someone else?

And how man girls tell us they only do this and that with us and no one else? How many promise they only bb us while I know for a fact they bb many others?

And how many tell us they do not have sex upstairs when I’ve seem then while setting across the booth from them providing the full service? Still they deny it?

And my favorite: "When you have sex, you are paying. But when I have sex, I'm getting paid. Who's the smart one now?"

And last, if you answer back that she does the same thing going from one man to another, she claims it her job, not mine?

Lesson: Never trust a word they say. Or am I Wong?

Wasted

[El Cabron 007]

No, The PDA does ot compare to the Safi. Correct USB. Safe is top class and I understand it is also family owned and maybe operated (?).

The PDA renovated every single room from fresh paint, newer bathroom floors and showers, although the may have let come of construction material run into the drainage to shower floods and runs over to the outside leaving your bathroom entrance with wet carpet. But hey, I am not complaining.

Street traffic is definitely loud. Somehow when you're knocked out from the day’s activities, you will sleep through it. I do.

I will plan a long weekend soon. Let me check with work status. We have major fire drills going own with big accounts and I am on the phone 11 hours a day. Once things are more stable, I am out and down in MTY.

One of my girls got me a girl to play with. Carlos say's she's hot. I want to feel the heat and decide if I can go on.

OK, my mind is starting to shut down. Been a long couple of weeks.

Wasted

I think wasted was wrong in quoting the 800 peso figure.
I saw that price on the bilboard they have at the front desk and I asked the manager "what the hell is that".
He told me that he had changed the numbers cause some provider had filled the hotel with people paying 550 pesos down from a supposedly 800 rack rate.
Soooo that's it...

[MonterreyDude]

I think wasted was wrong in quoting the 800 peso figure.
I saw that price on the bilboard they have at the front desk and I asked the manager "what the hell is that".
He told me that he had changed the numbers cause some provider had filled the hotel with people paying 550 pesos down from a supposedly 800 rack rate.
Soooo that's it...

WOWWWW! $800 pesos per night for PDA? That's approximately $73 US Dollars per night. The accomodations are not worth that price. I saw the improvements they've austensibly made to the rooms, and they are not significant whatsoever. I used to pay, probably not over one year ago, in the range of $52/night, with tax included.

They just put some brightly colored quilts, and some brightly colored art work on the walls in the rooms, that's it. Even the crappy indoor/outdoor carpet is the same...no padding underneath or anything. I think the Safi was close in price, maybe only $15-$20 more per night. But, of course, the Safi has some very pertinent limitations. However, the Saft IS actually a luxury hotel at relatively inexpensive prices. The PDA is nothing close to the Safi in comfort and luxuriousness. The Safi also has a first class restaurant as well. The other thing I dislike immensely about the PDA is that it's really, really noisy unless you get a room on the interior hallway. If you stay in a room around the perimeter of the hotel, it will keep you up all night long. I don't mind stayin up all night long if I am being adequately entertained >:-) but not when I am trying to actually sleep. The bus noise from the street will keep you totally awake until 3-4am, especially during weeknights when the busses seem to run later.

The Best Western on the South side of Madero, East of PDA several blocks, might be a better alternative to PDA for the money. It was more comfortable than PDA, quieter, etc...Of course, Carlos told me that there were problems bringing girls in there now because of the recent scandal there involving a minor provider. I should test it out again sometime just to see for sure what the status is. I believe the rate there was around $57-$58 per night last time I stayed there, last year sometime. Plus, their restaurant is significantly better than the restaurant at PDA. But, to my knowledge, they have never upgraded to wireless internet...just a couple of connected computers in the lobby.

The Fifth Avenida across the street from the Best Western is also a hotel that I've wanted to test out. They are cheaper, maybe like around $40/night, not sure. But, one time I did check out their rooms and they appear relatively clean, but possibly less comfortable, springy beds, hard uncarpeted floors, etc...I just never really wanted to step down quite that much with respect to comfort, so I've put it off. Their restaurant also seems relatively adequate as well. I remember touring the room, and the noticing that the TV is mounted on one of those wall mounted brackets, and there wasn't any desk in the room that I recall seeing. Plus, they have no internet access that I'm aware of. So, for the business traveler, they wouldn't really be adequate. That's another reason I put off trying them out. I am not necessarily one to avoid roughing it a little to save a buck. But, when it comes to needing certain amenities to conduct business, I haven't much of a choice.

[Member #3453]

WOWWWW! $800 pesos per night for PDA? That's approximately $73 US Dollars per night. The accomodations are not worth that price. I saw the improvements they've austensibly made to the rooms, and they are not significant whatsoever. I used to pay, probably not over one year ago, in the range of $52/night, with tax included.

They just put some brightly colored quilts, and some brightly colored art work on the walls in the rooms, that's it. Even the crappy indoor/outdoor carpet is the same...no padding underneath or anything. I think the Safi was close in price, maybe only $15-$20 more per night. But, of course, the Safi has some very pertinent limitations. However, the Saft IS actually a luxury hotel at relatively inexpensive prices. The PDA is nothing close to the Safi in comfort and luxuriousness. The Safi also has a first class restaurant as well. The other thing I dislike immensely about the PDA is that it's really, really noisy unless you get a room on the interior hallway. If you stay in a room around the perimeter of the hotel, it will keep you up all night long. I don't mind stayin up all night long if I am being adequately entertained >:-) but not when I am trying to actually sleep. The bus noise from the street will keep you totally awake until 3-4am, especially during weeknights when the busses seem to run later.

The Best Western on the South side of Madero, East of PDA several blocks, might be a better alternative to PDA for the money. It was more comfortable than PDA, quieter, etc...Of course, Carlos told me that there were problems bringing girls in there now because of the recent scandal there involving a minor provider. I should test it out again sometime just to see for sure what the status is. I believe the rate there was around $57-$58 per night last time I stayed there, last year sometime. Plus, their restaurant is significantly better than the restaurant at PDA. But, to my knowledge, they have never upgraded to wireless internet...just a couple of connected computers in the lobby.

The Fifth Avenida across the street from the Best Western is also a hotel that I've wanted to test out. They are cheaper, maybe like around $40/night, not sure. But, one time I did check out their rooms and they appear relatively clean, but possibly less comfortable, springy beds, hard uncarpeted floors, etc...I just never really wanted to step down quite that much with respect to comfort, so I've put it off. Their restaurant also seems relatively adequate as well. I remember touring the room, and the noticing that the TV is mounted on one of those wall mounted brackets, and there wasn't any desk in the room that I recall seeing. Plus, they have no internet access that I'm aware of. So, for the business traveler, they wouldn't really be adequate. That's another reason I put off trying them out. I am not necessarily one to avoid roughing it a little to save a buck. But, when it comes to needing certain amenities to conduct business, I haven't much of a choice.

USB lose interest in this board? Not a chance in hell. We all know USB 'loves' to read and post here regardless of the subject.

But seriously, USB is a well educated down to earth dude. A good friend to have and is trust worthy. Besides all that, he has acquired decent life lessons in all subjects and will read and reply to any subject.

Back to the PDA: USB, you obviously have not entered the PDA lately. Their rate is $800/night and the place is always full. They have recently renovated the entire hotels including every single room. Still not a 5-star hotel and not even a 3-star, but it's clean, comfortable and, most important, accommodating.

The walk of shame, you said? You would think that after doing it for 2 years, one might become thick-skinned to the 'shame'. But no, it gets worse. Every time I walk in with a girl, I am more and more ashamed than the previous time. It does not get better, it get more embarrassing that I look forward to the night that I return girl-less and proud of it because I took care of business at the club.

Mr. "L" commented a couple of times: "I wonder what they think we're up to when we go out". My answer was: 'I wonder what think of us when they 'know' what we are up to when we go out". I mean, think of it, we leave around 6 pm and come back around 9 or 11 with a couple of girls, different ones every night. Then on Fridays, 4 or 5 girls come over to the hotel (after their shift) and we all go out only to return at 5 AM with even more girls. Last time I had to get 2 extra rooms to accommodate all the girls we had. You still 'wonder' if they know?

Now imagine us all at the hotel restaurant having breakfast. 6 girls and 2 men. The oldest girl was probably 22 y/o and I have grey hair. I spent most of the time telling the girls to husshhhhhh. They were all hung over and giggling like little high-school girls. My "X" girl asked for beer with her breakfast.

Love Monterrey

Wasted

[MonterreyDude]

And mainly, many guys read the posts, but don't pass along their experience here in Monterrey, nor ask questions.
Some do, but others just follow what we point out here in the forum....
This is not exclusive of this site, it has happened at the other Forums I post in.

USB is correct... we don't post cause we know the way.
And really, mostly nothing has changed here in MTY... business as usuall.