Puerto Vallarta

[Makon Make]

Okay I've searched the forums and researched a ton of stuff on here and I've noticed some of the places from a couple of years ago seem to be closed now.

I will be staying with the ball and chain two nights, Sat and Sun in Old Town and 5 nights in an all inclusive in the hotel zone.

I will be booking the ball and chain some spa time during the day so that will be my only chance to sneak away to play, I plan on visiting Coni but would love any advice on day time fun to be had, bars, local bars, streets to walk, thanks a ton in advance.

[Acehi491]

Ventured into Coni Spa yesterday. It's been a year since I've tried them. Last year I got a topless he for $850 pesos. This year, they are in a slightly different space, still near the original on Basillo Badero. A nice looking young "manager" (she was at least an 8) took me back and asked what I wanted, "Oral? Ass?" I said I was just looking for an hour massage with a he. She said it would be $1,500. I was a bit taken aback, but as I speak very little Spanish, was very horny, and have poor negotiating skills, I agreed. I laid on the table for something like 10 minutes before someone came in. She started on the massage, then started on the upsell. I looked up and was disappointed that it wasn't my 8, but a bit younger girl who was about a 5. She said she could do the massage "sin ropa" for another $500. Well, I know enough Spanish to know what that means, so I again agreed and she did have a nice little body and be+ cups. The massage was so-so, and she was at least nice, and enthusiastic about the hand job. But still. I couldn't help but feel a little fleeced even though I was a willing participant. So, is this the going rate these days?

[Scubatoo]

Since the amount I spent is raising eyebrows, a couple of thoughts not unique to PV:

1. There's all kinds of potential for disappointment, bait and switch scams, and so on. If you are prepared to pay extra, you receive better quality. Nothing is ever guaranteed of course. But look at my encounter at Aquah.

I was at first paired up with someone I found unattractive, so I just turned her away. I'm not sure I do the same if that's my $2500 outcall who knocks on my hotel room door after arriving 1 h late. In my mind, it's worth it to pay a premium to be able to make that kind of choice.

2. I don't have access to a lot of attractive options in my present situation, so I feel like it makes sense to build up a warchest for an outting that takes place once in a great while.

3. Spending money on women is an entirely emotional and irrational decision. You want to spend your money wisely? Buy a fleshlight and put the rest in the bank.

Bottom line: nothing against others for taking a more economical approach, just this is what worked for me.

Personally, I don't think it serves any purpose to criticize another man's decision on who he visits or what he pays. The important thing is to share information on YOUR experiences. If guys have seen the same girl, or visited the same venue, and have tips on how to get something for less, then tell us how to do it. Otherwise, take the review information for what it is worth. I appreciate all those who share intelligence.

[TwoInchTadger]

Since the amount I spent is raising eyebrows, a couple of thoughts not unique to PV:

1. There's all kinds of potential for disappointment, bait and switch scams, and so on. If you are prepared to pay extra, you receive better quality. Nothing is ever guaranteed of course. But look at my encounter at Aquah.

I was at first paired up with someone I found unattractive, so I just turned her away. I'm not sure I do the same if that's my $2500 outcall who knocks on my hotel room door after arriving 1 h late. In my mind, it's worth it to pay a premium to be able to make that kind of choice.

2. I don't have access to a lot of attractive options in my present situation, so I feel like it makes sense to build up a warchest for an outting that takes place once in a great while.

3. Spending money on women is an entirely emotional and irrational decision. You want to spend your money wisely? Buy a fleshlight and put the rest in the bank.

Bottom line: nothing against others for taking a more economical approach, just this is what worked for me.

[Woopsie]

I am headed to PV for the first time this weekend for two weeks and I love massages with extra. I don't need FS but I may partake with the right woman.

I have read back a few pages and it sounds like Jacki would be an excellent choice.

I am not into the strip club scene but if anyone knows some good choices or massage places I am all ears. So far, it sounds like walk around and if you see women outside the shop trying to flag down customers, then that is the place to go to. Any other advice? Thanks.

[Scubatoo]

I just got back from Puerto Vallarta. It was easily the greatest weekend of my life! ....

Not for me to tell another man how to spend his coin. The bottom line is always whether it was worth the effort and expense. Obviously, a very positive trip for you. PV has been evolving over the years. Easier to find pussy everywhere, and in the hinterlands outside of town. I love the looks of these Mexican girls, and in my opinion, only behind the Colombians in skill in the room.

P.S. You get extra points for your handle, LOL. Anyone curious should Google "tadger" and you will get the same laugh I did.

[TwoInchTadger]

All I can say is Holy C. By my calculations, you paid about $12,000 pesos, which is slightly north of $600 USD (not counting fichas, cover charges, etc.) for 2 hours of sex with 3 different chicas.

Actually it was $15000 counting the massage girl. I stand by my profligacy.

[PVMonger]

I just got back from Puerto Vallarta. It was easily the greatest weekend of my life! The girls there are ravenous! I came home with claw and bite marks on my back! But I have a lot to share, plus some stories that are too good to not be told! {snip}

All I can say is Holy C. By my calculations, you paid about $12,000 pesos, which is slightly north of $600 USD (not counting fichas, cover charges, etc.) for 2 hours of sex with 3 different chicas. Really?

I understand the allure of the various clubs and the time constraints that many mongers have, but damn that's a lot of coin. An average of $4,000 pesos per chica for an average of 40 minutes per chica?

Being a married retiree here, that's my mongering budget for 6 months. LOL.

[TwoInchTadger]

I just got back from Puerto Vallarta. It was easily the greatest weekend of my life! The girls there are ravenous! I came home with claw and bite marks on my back! But I have a lot to share, plus some stories that are too good to not be told!

First, I need to acknowledge a posting from June 2016 on this thread from Tomjackin that is far more comprehensive than this one. Also, redzonetours.com was invaluable! Read them!

The first draft of this posting was really long and self-indulgent, so here's an executive summary (all prices in MXN pesos):

1. King George's Sports Bar.

Cover: 0.

Lap dance: ?

Drink: $125.

Girl Drink: $250.

30 minutes in private: $2550 (but see full story below) + tips*.

Club appearance: OK, lounge with velvet chairs. Legit beds in the private rooms.

Talent: OK, 7's and 8's.

*I was asked to tip the guys outside the room both before and after. The first guy is watching my time, so of course it makes sense to tip him well. The second guy (the maid) is supposed to clean up the place, which I dunno why I'm tipping him other than I'm basking in my afterglow and don't care about anything.

2. Random massage parlor in el centro.

Massage + FS: 2500 + tip (see full story below).

3. Junior's.

Cover: $130 including a drink.

Others: I dunno, I didn't go in, the front man was trying his best to get me to go in though.

4. Aquah.

Cover: 250 (includes one lapdance).

Lapdance: 250.

Drink: ? (they didn't itemize my bill!

Girl Drink: $375.

30 min in private: ? ($4300 including my drink and probably an extra lapdance charge) + tips per above.

Club Appearance: pretty clean, sleek.

Talent: 8's 9's and possibly 10's (but watch out for one 5, see below).

5. Taboo.

Cover: 250 (includes one lapdance and a shot of tequila which they forgot to bring me).

Lapdance: 250.

Drink: $150.

Girl Drink: $375.

30 min in private: $3600 + tips per above.

Club Appearance: same as Aquah but more spacious.

Talent: wow. 9's and possibly 10's (I'm very selective about who gets a 10).

Now for the longer self-indulgent part!

My game plan was to hit the clubs in the Marina zone near Ave. Francisco Medina since that's where I was staying. I picked based off of my research King George's, Aquah, and Taboo, mainly because of proximity and reported talent. I did all my traveling either on foot or by bus. I felt fine walking at night because the area is well lit and well patrolled by police. Americans worry about the safety in Mexico, but nothing bad can happen to you in PV that couldn't also happen to you in NYC, Las Vegas, or Miami if you're out late being an idiot. *By day, I took a bus ($10 but need exact change) downtown. This way I didn't need to worry about cab drivers and misdirection, kickbacks, etc. Also, speaking Spanish is a huge plus because I felt like the guys were less willing to try to hustle me and the women were endeared to me more.

Day 1: King George's Sports Bar.

Not nearly as nice of a place as you might guess from how their website looks. But other commenters have said good things about it so I stayed. There were a couple of other guys sitting around the club and what looked like no more than 5 women out, but I think there may have been others in another room somewhere. They were all very cute, but I didn't notice any stunners. I was immediately approached by a petite Mexicana with pronounced Amerindian facial features, a 7/10. She seemed shy and demure, and she giggled a lot and had a very sweet face and smile.

So I went to the room with her and it was like they let loose a tiger. Time flew by and, in the midst of our passion. Knock-knock time up. I guess it's a valuable lesson that they don't believe in 5 min warnings here. So I paid $1500 for another 15 min on top of my $2550 for the half hour and we finished up. I tipped the lady at the top something, I don't remember, but I probably should have stiffed her for interrupting us!

Day 2: Massage / Junior's / Aquah.

For a variety of reasons, I was looking for a therapeutic massage with a full service ending. I was somewhat uneasy because, unlike my strip club research, I had very little intel and was basically doing trial and error. Realistically, there were probably massage parlors offering full service treatment in the marina zone, but it seemed more reliable for me to check out the downtown district and go from there.

Finding what I was looking for was ridiculously easy. I found a spa where two 20-something Mexicans with red lipstick were sitting out front and asked me if I wanted a massage. I said yes. I was led to my room where a different girl, also with red lipstick, came in and asked if I wanted a special massage. I said yes. She asked me pointedly if I wanted sex. I said yes. And that's all it took!

She was an average looking young Mexicana who could have been a cashier or waitress, maybe a 6/10. But she had a sweet disposition and a winning smile. By the time we had finished, I was wiping away red lipstick from all over my face and shoulders. She gave a very good massage too, and what really surprised me was she had sweat streaming down her face. She knew I was there for sex, but she still provided a professional-quality massage. Afterwards, I didn't even know what tip was appropriate, so I gave her $500. Why not. There are a lot of beautiful women in the world, but it's rare to find a woman who will break a sweat over you.

Anyway, day gave way to night and I was on to Aquah, mostly for the nostalgia factor, since I had an amazing experience there 10 years ago. On my way walking to Aquah, I was approached by the front man for Juniors. He was trying to sell me on $130 cover including a beverage. He was making a very aggressive push, which told me all I needed to know, and I proceeded to Aquah.

But nostalgia is the enemy of history. Other commenters have objected to Aquah's pricing and billing practices, so I was on alert for that. When I entered the club, I was literally the ONLY customer, and about a dozen dancers were sitting in the back looking bored. After I took my seat, I don't remeber exactly what the announcer said, something like "bienvenidos al nino" and I'm thinking, "who's the nino? A good looking but apathetic dancer took to the stage and started moving against the pole in the same way a grizzly bear scratches its back on a tree trunk. I was immediately accosted by another dancer (5/10) who was not hideous but was a mess of plastic surgery. She looked like she was at least 45, which meant she was probably closer to 55. I asked her where she was from and she said in spanish "I'm 100% Mexican" and I looked at her butt implants thinking "I dunno about 100%. " But if it wasn't so hilarious, I would have gotten up to yell at the manager. You have a room full of beauties sitting idly and this is the company I get? I tried to be nice too, I told her, "I'm sorry, you're just not my type," but she insisted. I caught the waiter's attention and said to him, "Yeah we're just finishing up over here."

The staff then introduced me to an energetic 8/10 24 year-old beauty with wide eyes and a curvy body. She also laughed a lot and had an enchanting smile but was more playful and extroverted. There was some heavy petting (which I think they charged me for!) and then we went up to the room. I had a bit of sticker shock when they just showed me on a calculator that I owed $4600 but that included our drinks. I think they added in a lapdance or 2 to the bill, which is fair, all things considered. She was fun, but there wasn't chemistry.

Day 3: Taboo.

At this point all my outings have had an element of stupidity to them and I'm starting to think I should just go to bed early. But then I remembered the plan, and I should see it through. Plus I still had $1000 pesos in my wallet that I wasn't doing anything with.

I had a mild annoyance with Taboo. Cover was $250. I handed over $300 and the frontman couldn't make change. So they seated me and next thing I know they're asking me if I wanted to tip the security $50. Uhhhh no, but nice try. They gave me my $50 without a fight.

On the upside, Taboo actually had some life there. Lots of beauties around and other guys there too so I wasn't getting swarmed. And the girls actually knew how to work the pole, which is a huge turn on for me. But I was immediately privileged to enjoy the company of one unearthly beauty. She didn't laugh as much, but when she did she was sincere. She came across as sophisticated, elegant, mature. What we did behind closed doors was extremely sensual without sacrificing any fire. I'm still figuring out if I give her a 9 or a 10. The chemistry was good so I sat down with her for another drink after and she suggested we go back in private for a second romp. I'll be spending a long time wishing I had taken her up on that offer.

So that's where my story ends for now. The girl from Taboo gave me her number, so who knows, I might see her again next year. Oh yes, I'm definitely planning for a return trip next year.

[Bruno2000]

I figured pvplaymates was geared towards the "stupid gringos". In my emails back and forth with them I found out the lady Melissa doesn't even speak Spanish a little bit. Thats crazy, imo and shows these are gringos taking a gringo sized cut. Plus, she asked a million questions and wanted to know personal info that no fukin way I'm givin to a pimp or maddam. Wanted hotel info, asked family questions etc. Finally I just said fuk it. I would advice to stay away from that overpriced operation. Better off to get a well reviewed girl in your hometown for that price. They are a total crapshoot. Plus, she told me staci does BBBJ so theres that too. I would stick to massage parlor hunting, waitresses, and even strip clubs before I paid 4 k site unseen. 1.5 k pesos is a weekly wage, even in pv.

I was told Melissa is a girl that lives in California.

She takes roughly a 40% cut.

F*ck PV Playmates, I should have gone to strip clubs instead.

[PVMonger]

I figured pvplaymates was geared towards the "stupid gringos". In my emails back and forth with them I found out the lady Melissa doesn't even speak Spanish a little bit. Thats crazy, imo and shows these are gringos taking a gringo sized cut. Plus, she asked a million questions and wanted to know personal info that no fukin way I'm givin to a pimp or maddam. Wanted hotel info, asked family questions etc. Finally I just said fuk it. I would advice to stay away from that overpriced operation. Better off to get a well reviewed girl in your hometown for that price. They are a total crapshoot. Plus, she told me staci does BBBJ so theres that too. I would stick to massage parlor hunting, waitresses, and even strip clubs before I paid 4 k site unseen. 1.5 k pesos is a weekly wage, even in pv.

Agreed. There are a few independents that advertise on Mileroticos. Very few. The key is finding them and, for the "uninitiated", here's what you do.

Click on the profile of a gal that you're interested in. Then click on the phone number. If a bunch of adverts come up listing different chicas, then it is an agency. If the phone number click shows only adverts from this particular chica, the odds are that they are independent.

[JeraldoRivera]

I figured pvplaymates was geared towards the "stupid gringos". In my emails back and forth with them I found out the lady Melissa doesn't even speak Spanish a little bit. Thats crazy, imo and shows these are gringos taking a gringo sized cut. Plus, she asked a million questions and wanted to know personal info that no fukin way I'm givin to a pimp or maddam. Wanted hotel info, asked family questions etc. Finally I just said fuk it. I would advice to stay away from that overpriced operation. Better off to get a well reviewed girl in your hometown for that price. They are a total crapshoot. Plus, she told me staci does BBBJ so theres that too. I would stick to massage parlor hunting, waitresses, and even strip clubs before I paid 4 k site unseen. 1.5 k pesos is a weekly wage, even in pv.

[PVMonger]

PVPlaymates prices are, IMHO, quite out of whack. Their biggest "asset" is that all of their gals speak passable English. And maybe that's why they charge so much. $4000 pesos for one hour is more than $200 USD. Insane!

There are better options available but, in most cases, you'd need to speak some Spanish. If need someone who speaks English, Kat (an American) is decent. Not a "hard body" but slender with a decent figure. I just didn't click with her for some reason. Jaki is also great but she's on the wrong side of 40. If age doesn't bother you, she gives a great BBBJCIM.

I'll just copy / paste the message I sent to Melissa:

I honestly have mixed feelings about my encounter with Staci and probably would not repeat business with PV Playmates. I greatly appreciated your "patience" and the communication with you was 10/10, so I'll go into lengthy details as to why I come up with this conclusion.

First of all, I got to say that I really appreciated my encounter with Staci. She was kind, cute, clean, smelled good and overall was great company. I mean it. After reading this email don't ask her what went wrong or whatever because really, she's a great girl, we "clicked" and I had great time with her.

However:

1-there seems to be a communication problem. I told you I thought she looked best with a bun and in her red dress. She didn't wear a dress nor did she have her hair in a bun. I asked her if she knew it was my 1st time in 2 years with girl, but she didn't know.

[Bruno2000]

I'll just copy / paste the message I sent to Melissa:

I honestly have mixed feelings about my encounter with Staci and probably would not repeat business with PV Playmates. I greatly appreciated your "patience" and the communication with you was 10/10, so I'll go into lengthy details as to why I come up with this conclusion.

First of all, I got to say that I really appreciated my encounter with Staci. She was kind, cute, clean, smelled good and overall was great company. I mean it. After reading this email don't ask her what went wrong or whatever because really, she's a great girl, we "clicked" and I had great time with her.

However:

1-there seems to be a communication problem. I told you I thought she looked best with a bun and in her red dress. She didn't wear a dress nor did she have her hair in a bun. I asked her if she knew it was my 1st time in 2 years with girl, but she didn't know.

2-I told you I was looking for something GFE and vanilla, but that's not exactly really the experience I got. The first thing she did after I greeted her, she went to the bathroom for a minute and then came out with only panties / bra and joined me in bed, "ready for action". It's not a big deal but still I would have enjoyed making out with her while progressively undressing her, which is the kind of thing you do with a girlfriend. And about making out, she doesn't do DFK (deep french kiss). I told you I was a smoker and so I thought perhaps that was the reason she didn't kiss me passionately, but I didn't smoke that day and brushed my teeth / used mouthwash / and chewed gum in her presence. I told her I was a smoker at the end of the encounter and she said she had no idea and my breath was fine.

3-No BBBJ (condomless blowjob). Honestly for the price I paid, that was a huge disappointment. I am confident that I am younger / look better than their average customers and was freshly shaved / trimmed down there + shower, so I doubt that it's "your millage may very" kinda thing; that girl simply doesn't do it. Yet her description mentions "adventurous, aims to please". Really?

4-Speaking of her description, I feel some points are not accurate.

A) It says she is "super tight" and some dude in your reviews even says the condom was stuck in her p*ssy or whatever. I would have to disagree here. I've been with "tight girls" before and to me Staci doesn't fall in that category. She doesn't have kids and is 21/22 why-o, so yeah she's obviously OK vaginally-speaking (is that even a word? But I don't think it's fair to mention in caps how "tight" she is as a selling point. I was under the impression that I would enter her and couldn't believe how tight she was. Again, she was definitely fine, I'm just saying she's probably just as tight as your other girls.

B)"speaks decent English" is inaccurate. "Speaks little English" would be more fitting. I don't really care, but if some gentleman books her for a dinner date and expects to have a good conversation with her. Good luck. I had no problems communicating with her, yet her English is basic and not "decent".

C) her physical description is slightly misleading in my opinion. You sell her as a physical trainer, "hard and athletic body", etc etc. I have no doubts that if your customers are mostly out of shape Americans in their 60's, then she definitely is all that. But to me, as somewhat of a gymrat, she really isn't that fit. It says she's 5'1 114 lbs but she's probably more like 130 lbs. Some of her pictures that you sent me were definitely taken at some other time when she was slightly leaner. Don't get me wrong she's PRETTY and has a nice body, but if I didn't know I'd have no idea she trains and would never guess she's a physical trainer.

That's pretty much it I guess.

You know what, honestly it all comes down to pricing.

I paid a premium amount and therefore expected a premium experience. Which I didn't get. This is not my first time in PV. I know about Las Antorchas, King George, Tapanko and whatnot, I know what I can get at those places and for what price. Let me say it again; I really enjoyed my experience with Staci, she's a great girl and I would love to see her again.

But at 4000 an hour 6000 2 hours? No freaking way.

[CityBoyBh]

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