Puerto Vallarta

[Jason96]

I just wanted to know if anyone had some info on the Mexican Cantina just west of Insurgentes on F. I. Madero? I've been in there a few times early in the afternoon recently and it seems like a pretty good place. The first time a hot Mexican woman came over and asked me for a beer. But she was very rude about it and I was with a friend. So I just ignored her. But I'm sure she was a pro. I think it's called Azzure or something like that. And the bartender has huge tits which she doesn't seem to mind showing off. The beers are only 14 pesos. I'm going back soon and there's a hotel close by that only charges 150 pesos for the hour.

[Vitrea]

Great report Vitrea!

Thank you for your kind words! I fully agree with you to treat every girl with respect and as I know some of the members here they will for sure confirm it!

I also see escort services as a combination of having a lot of fun with a girl in combination with sex. But if things are that way that the girls just walk in the Motel room without even knocking on the door, saying hola and then ask directly for the payment then something must be wrong. We both know that every time we have a girl from PVPlaymate come over we pay around 2 000 Pesos for 1 hour or +3 000 Pesos for 2 hours. For this prices I can expect a girl that has a good attitude! But after all the girls I had from PVPlaymate or other escort services in PV I must say I was deeply disapointed many times! It can not be correct paying a girl such a high price and after 50% of the time is over the girls jumps in her cloth and wants to go. If the escort services like PVPlaymate is not doing something against things like this then I avoid there rip off services and spend the money in a better way by picking up a girl from the street or club that only costs me like 3 000 pesos for 4 hours and if I treat her with respect she even stays longer or gives me a better price next time! If I treat a Escort girl good by giving her first of all the payment, then going into the jacuzzi with her and enjoying a drink and a chit chat I get nothing else as coldness back. After going out of the jacuzzi and trying to break the ice of the girl by relexing in bed with her I get again disapointed. After all this points I already invested in the wrong way because I do not pay for a ice block. I and everybody else using escort agencys are paying for a nice time with a great girl but not this type of girls I mostly get and also other members get as they posted here clearly!

I am happy for you that things run great if you book an escort girl! I was fucked so many times with bad services that I avoid there shit services.

Agree with you fully. No arguments. I sincerely hope folks managing these services see these discussions and consider them as positive input / constructive evaluation and educate their staff on our needs and perspective on the girls attitudes. I am going to be there in March and I will report back.

BTW, I find agencies a vital part of the scene in PVR and I want them to stay in business. During the day they are sometimes the only quality choice and at night.....:-)

[The Sex Hunter]

Great report Vitrea!

Thank you for your kind words! I fully agree with you to treat every girl with respect and as I know some of the members here they will for sure confirm it!

I also see escort services as a combination of having a lot of fun with a girl in combination with sex. But if things are that way that the girls just walk in the Motel room without even knocking on the door, saying hola and then ask directly for the payment then something must be wrong. We both know that every time we have a girl from PVPlaymate come over we pay around 2 000 Pesos for 1 hour or +3 000 Pesos for 2 hours. For this prices I can expect a girl that has a good attitude! But after all the girls I had from PVPlaymate or other escort services in PV I must say I was deeply disapointed many times! It can not be correct paying a girl such a high price and after 50% of the time is over the girls jumps in her cloth and wants to go. If the escort services like PVPlaymate is not doing something against things like this then I avoid there rip off services and spend the money in a better way by picking up a girl from the street or club that only costs me like 3 000 pesos for 4 hours and if I treat her with respect she even stays longer or gives me a better price next time! If I treat a Escort girl good by giving her first of all the payment, then going into the jacuzzi with her and enjoying a drink and a chit chat I get nothing else as coldness back. After going out of the jacuzzi and trying to break the ice of the girl by relexing in bed with her I get again disapointed. After all this points I already invested in the wrong way because I do not pay for a ice block. I and everybody else using escort agencys are paying for a nice time with a great girl but not this type of girls I mostly get and also other members get as they posted here clearly!

I am happy for you that things run great if you book an escort girl! I was fucked so many times with bad services that I avoid there shit services.

The girls probably don't see it that way. In their mind, I am sure they do not see much difference. Just a bit more added security for them if they collect the money first. I think a lot of it also depends on the routines we establish. Three years ago, when I first saw a PV playmates girl for the very first time, I explained to her how I prefer to do business and the routine got established. If an occasional new girl wants to do it differently, I do not get aggressive. I speak to her in a calm voice and nice smile on my face and ask her to call Melissa and have her vouch for me.

The sex hunter, As far as I am concerned you are the "king" of the PV forum. No one else has contributed to this particular forum as much as you did and do. I do my part, but second only to you. I have other countries and cities to deal with. (smiley). I am saying this because I want you to you to know that what I am about say are more general comments directed toward the less experienced, less savvy ones and not to you.

IMHO, escort interaction is not just about the act of sex. To me it is an intimate, efficient male-female physical and sensual interaction minus the drama of a pick up. I try not to make it emotional but sometimes you can't help it. When it does become transiently emotional, it just speaks for the quality of the interaction. When I pay for an escort, like all hot blooded males, I do expect some basics such as sex and her stated time with me but I do not demand anything else. I do my best to earn it. I like the girl to be friendly, sensual, relaxed and non a clock watcher. I do everything possible to make that happen. Few things that I do may help novices: First, I do not lay my paws all over them when they walk in. A big smile, gentle kiss on the cheek and a delicate hug is all they get. I start off with a drink, music and a bit of chit chat. I always shower and request the girl take a quick shower too or take a shower together. I almost always have massage oil and give the girl a nice 10 minute massage. After that I just let things happen. Will this always work? No but it does majority of the times. The need for making the other party comfortable goes both ways. Some girls walk in with an attitude thinking they are doing us a favor (instead of an even give and take transaction) and they do make it difficult. Even them, most of the time can be calmed down as I double my efforts. Undoubtedly we will have some negative interactions along the way.

Sometimes we forget to put themselves in the girls shoes. It is true they are doing this for the money, but they are human too and not robots. They have emotions and their own fears and concerns. We screen the girls, ask for pictures, stats, attitude and a whole lot of information but when a girl knocks on our door they have no idea who they are going to run into. Even though we are paying them, it is our job to treat them with kindness and respect. The nicer we are to them, the more we get back in return.

TSH, you have heard me say this many times over on this forum and on broader ISG. If I am in the mood for just sex I go to a club. Cheaper and quicker. When I call an escort, my mind set is completely different and I act different. I am sure there will be people that disagree with me in part or whole but that is OK. I respect everybody's opinion. I am just sharing mine as that is what this forum is intended for.

[Vitrea]

Yes, it is absolutly interesting how this girls are to us. Maybe I must treat them nicer in the future or give them more tip!

The girls probably don't see it that way. In their mind, I am sure they do not see much difference. Just a bit more added security for them if they collect the money first. I think a lot of it also depends on the routines we establish. Three years ago, when I first saw a PV playmates girl for the very first time, I explained to her how I prefer to do business and the routine got established. If an occasional new girl wants to do it differently, I do not get aggressive. I speak to her in a calm voice and nice smile on my face and ask her to call Melissa and have her vouch for me.

The sex hunter, As far as I am concerned you are the "king" of the PV forum. No one else has contributed to this particular forum as much as you did and do. I do my part, but second only to you. I have other countries and cities to deal with :-) (smiley). I am saying this because I want you to you to know that what I am about say are more general comments directed toward the less experienced, less savvy ones and not to you.

IMHO, escort interaction is not just about the act of sex. To me it is an intimate, efficient male-female physical and sensual interaction minus the drama of a pick up. I try not to make it emotional but sometimes you can't help it. When it does become transiently emotional, it just speaks for the quality of the interaction. When I pay for an escort, like all hot blooded males, I do expect some basics such as sex and her stated time with me but I do not demand anything else. I do my best to earn it. I like the girl to be friendly, sensual, relaxed and non a clock watcher. I do everything possible to make that happen. Few things that I do may help novices: First, I do not lay my paws all over them when they walk in. A big smile, gentle kiss on the cheek and a delicate hug is all they get. I start off with a drink, music and a bit of chit chat. I always shower and request the girl take a quick shower too or take a shower together. I almost always have massage oil and give the girl a nice 10 minute massage. After that I just let things happen. Will this always work? No but it does majority of the times. The need for making the other party comfortable goes both ways. Some girls walk in with an attitude thinking they are doing us a favor (instead of an even give and take transaction) and they do make it difficult. Even them, most of the time can be calmed down as I double my efforts. Undoubtedly we will have some negative interactions along the way.

Sometimes we forget to put themselves in the girls shoes. It is true they are doing this for the money, but they are human too and not robots. They have emotions and their own fears and concerns. We screen the girls, ask for pictures, stats, attitude and a whole lot of information but when a girl knocks on our door they have no idea who they are going to run into. Even though we are paying them, it is our job to treat them with kindness and respect. The nicer we are to them, the more we get back in return.

TSH, you have heard me say this many times over on this forum and on broader ISG. If I am in the mood for just sex I go to a club. Cheaper and quicker. When I call an escort, my mind set is completely different and I act different. I am sure there will be people that disagree with me in part or whole but that is OK. I respect everybody's opinion. I am just sharing mine as that is what this forum is intended for.

[The Sex Hunter]

You are a good man. I am not disagreeing with you. Just interesting how different people can have different experiences.

Yes, it is absolutly interesting how this girls are to us. Maybe I must treat them nicer in the future or give them more tip!

[Vitrea]

Even after booking one girl 5 times in 1 month and the girl always got a 200 Peso tip from me the girl wanted the cash straight ahead. I also had once a girl just working for an escort service that I booked the first time and another girl I had a few days before told her a lot about me. Still no point of getting around the first pay then sex system.

You are a good man. I am not disagreeing with you. Just interesting how different people can have different experiences.

[The Sex Hunter]

Both could be correct. They know me well and the girls talk. One girl who I was seeing for the first time, knew my preferences. She learned them from her friend / roommate I saw the day before. I never shorted them so they know not to make a fuss about it. I am sure they demand money upfront if they do not know you.

-Ben

Even after booking one girl 5 times in 1 month and the girl always got a 200 Peso tip from me the girl wanted the cash straight ahead. I also had once a girl just working for an escort service that I booked the first time and another girl I had a few days before told her a lot about me. Still no point of getting around the first pay then sex system.

[Vitrea]

No matter what agency I have selected in the past, the first the girls want is cash! Even if I asked girls for extras like Anal they want the cash before the actions starts. The girl does not know you so if she agrees first sex then cash she might not see one Peso and all girls from agencys know they need to give cash to there agencys after the time is over so there risk is even higher for them. Appart from this, all PVPlaymate girls wanted to see the cash before from me.

Both could be correct. They know me well and the girls talk. One girl who I was seeing for the first time, knew my preferences. She learned them from her friend / roommate I saw the day before. I never shorted them so they know not to make a fuss about it. I am sure they demand money upfront if they do not know you.

-Ben

[The Sex Hunter]

Just as a side note, I have never had a pV playmates girl ask for money upfront. If they do, no matter who she is, I threaten to send them back. They stay only if they agree.

No matter what agency I have selected in the past, the first the girls want is cash! Even if I asked girls for extras like Anal they want the cash before the actions starts. The girl does not know you so if she agrees first sex then cash she might not see one Peso and all girls from agencys know they need to give cash to there agencys after the time is over so there risk is even higher for them. Appart from this, all PVPlaymate girls wanted to see the cash before from me.

[Vitrea]

This is another advertise from PVPlaymate! The main point is once again that this girls behave like cold machines as soon as they have the money and do NOT want to do for what they get payed for (sex) as WawWaw1 and other members clearly posted before:

"As soon as she arrived, after taking the money, it became clear that she is extremely cold and uncomfortable with what she does, and, before anything happened between us she got dressed and left, taking half of my money."

And.

"She took the money and tried to stay away from the bed for as long as possible. After managing (30 min) to get her undressed she suddenly saud: I need to live. Got dressed, returned half of my money and left."

Just as a side note, I have never had a pV playmates girl ask for money upfront. If they do, no matter who she is, I threaten to send them back. They stay only if they agree.

[Vitrea]

If you read the long and impressive review about pvplaymates published bellow, you must know that this is scam generated by the agency itself. They have a good site and an excellent public relations woman that calls herself Melissa. I arranged a for a beautiful and expensive girl to visit me. As soon as she arrived, after taking the money, it became clear that she is extremely cold and uncomfortable with what she does, and, before anything happened between us she got dressed and left, taking half of my money. By the way, she goes by the name of "Fawn". She is pretty except for really crooked teeth, but if you get her pics from the agency, she appears with her mouth closed so you would not notice.

As with most experiences in life not all of them are going to be good. Just reading in between the lines, I have to wonder what scared her so she had to run away and give up on the other half of the money. Using your logic in reverse, why can we not assume that you are a competitor that is trying to discredit PV playmates? You only have two posts and both are negative about the same girl and agency.

I was the first one on this forum to write a review about Fawn so may be I felt like defending her. However, there is some truth to the fact that Fawn is not as reliable and can be flaky. She does come across cold and starts off with an attitude. She does warm up nicely and I have seen her be passionate and really get into it. She is not for everybody. Melissa will tell you this herself (if you take time ask about personality and friendliness) but if you still want to spend time bed a hot body, she is your best option. I have a new favourite now though.

[The Sex Hunter]

This is not my experience with neither pvplaymates or fawn. I have booked a few girls trough melissa, and never been disappointed. As a professional photographer I know that the girls would not look exactly the same in real life, its a snapshot taken from the perfect angel with the perfect lightening. But the pictures are real, and so are the girls.

I actually met Fawn a few days ago. She has a sparkling and playful attitude, her body is amazing! That perfect, round firm as. I will se her again, for sure!

This is another advertise from PVPlaymate! The main point is once again that this girls behave like cold machines as soon as they have the money and do NOT want to do for what they get payed for (sex) as WawWaw1 and other members clearly posted before:

"As soon as she arrived, after taking the money, it became clear that she is extremely cold and uncomfortable with what she does, and, before anything happened between us she got dressed and left, taking half of my money."

And.

"She took the money and tried to stay away from the bed for as long as possible. After managing (30 min) to get her undressed she suddenly saud: I need to live. Got dressed, returned half of my money and left."

You are just washing this points away buy telling us a stupid advertising story about "snapshot taken from the perfect angel with the perfect lightening".

If you pay for a high priced escort service and then get girls like Fawn, Eryika, Angelina that all work for PVPlaymates then it must be clear that PVPlaymate is absolutly not worth the money you payed for!

Please advertise next time somewhere else!

[MartJac]

If you read the long and impressive review about pvplaymates published bellow, you must know that this is scam generated by the agency itself. They have a good site and an excellent public relations woman that calls herself Melissa. I arranged a for a beautiful and expensive girl to visit me. As soon as she arrived, after taking the money, it became clear that she is extremely cold and uncomfortable with what she does, and, before anything happened between us she got dressed and left, taking half of my money. By the way, she goes by the name of "Fawn". She is pretty except for really crooked teeth, but if you get her pics from the agency, she appears with her mouth closed so you would not notice.

This is not my experience with neither pvplaymates or fawn. I have booked a few girls trough melissa, and never been disappointed. As a professional photographer I know that the girls would not look exactly the same in real life, its a snapshot taken from the perfect angel with the perfect lightening. But the pictures are real, and so are the girls.

I actually met Fawn a few days ago. She has a sparkling and playful attitude, her body is amazing! That perfect, round firm as. I will se her again, for sure!

[SirCharlie]

Hi there OldStyle.

I am on 322 101 6694 local cellular.

Call me to arrange to meet up.

Cheers,

Charlie

[Oldstyle]

Hello, Bart, well I'm ready to party wherver, be to Los antchesthe last few days during the day, been a bust, nothing but 5 and they want1000 pesos so no action, do you have any suggestions < have a good day, oldstlye.

I'm in town and happy to play on either wing.

Let me know.

Cheers,

Bart[/QUOTE]