Havana

[Ty Down]

Where would people pay 400 for a Cuban girl? In Spain you can get them for 50 so paying 150 in their own country is already ridiculous. Cuban girls are worth 20 $ for the night in Cuba period.

I've never heard of anyone getting a Cuban Chica for $20, maybe it's true? In my experience it's more like $40 -50 in Havana, for 20 ish year old good looking Chica's. Worth every fucking penny if you ask me, damn there's some HOT Chica's in Havana that will fuck your brains out.

If you get to know them, they will fuck you for free, well maybe buy them a nice dinner and drinks.

[Edye Minetye]

Price negotiation is totally strange to the Cubans.

The following happened a few years ago.

I was drinking and eating with my chica and her mother in a cafe.

When a woman approached us to sell clothes.

My chica saw shorts that pleased her.

I asked the woman the price. $ 25.

It was a good price for a nice short.

But I wanted to negotiate and offered $ 20.

The woman refused.

I thought she is now passing by the other tables in the cafe and before she leaves she comes back and sells me the shorts for 20 dollars.

If not I pay the 25 she is asking.

But then the mother of my chica said I will add the 5 dollars.

Not used to negotiating, the mother thought I was too stingy to pay this $ 5.

While I wanted to show them how we buy at a lower price than requested.

I didn't make a good impression on the mother.

Because of cultural differences I was a stingy person.

[MjTravelLove]

Guys, is anything new in Havana? Is anything worth reporting?

Is it still "day game" as the bets option to find ladies?

What clubs are open and good with chicas? Pico Blanco? Anywhere in Miramar? Esenecia and Kingbar are still good for non pros I assume.

How about the Malecon? Too many cops, or decent?

Guys, I am desperate for some hidden gems or new spots to find ladies that is not flooded with cops.

Anywhere in centro where I can just talk up some girls on the street abd fuck all afternoon for a far price?

What do you Havana experts think?

MjT.

[Muzungufotsy]

No, it does not. The very simple answer is there are others on her back, starting from her chulo or pimp, and others on a 'payroll'. In many cases she does not make anything below certain number. She and her pimp also have to pay entrance fees to all clubs, pay the police etc.

On the higher end, Top notch girls get the money they want. If you don't come with the money, the next guy will. Average European rate is 150 euro per hour, so your Italian, Spanish or British guy, or a wealthy Mexican or American will pay. Take the same beauty out of Cuba and she will get 400 euro per hour.

Where would people pay 400 for a Cuban girl? In Spain you can get them for 50 so paying 150 in their own country is already ridiculous. Cuban girls are worth 20 $ for the night in Cuba period.

[Questner]

"they are demanding ("demanding" is the right word, because they are very inflexible when negotiating) ".

Why do you think they are so rigid about negotiating? I found this as well. Since I like to be dominant, this led to me kicking out numerous girls. This was a lose-lose-- they got zero dollars and I got zero sex. If they had been a bit more willing to negotiate, we could have both been happy.
, It must have something to do with Communism?

No, it does not. The very simple answer is there are others on her back, starting from her chulo or pimp, and others on a 'payroll'. In many cases she does not make anything below certain number. She and her pimp also have to pay entrance fees to all clubs, pay the police etc.

On the higher end, Top notch girls get the money they want. If you don't come with the money, the next guy will. Average European rate is 150 euro per hour, so your Italian, Spanish or British guy, or a wealthy Mexican or American will pay. Take the same beauty out of Cuba and she will get 400 euro per hour.

[Nyahbinghi83]

"free economy", . Silly boy, . Your exploiting an economic imbalance. Your simply upset that their communist education (which is -by the numbers- better than what your country can offer) provides them with a since of self-worth and value notwithstanding what you view as illogical in your pure capitalistic economic analysis. Call it what is is. You seek to exploit a human being based upon your perceived economic advantage and you are troubled by their unwillingness to play by your rules. It is that simple. Note, I am not judging what you do with your money nor what you purchase with your money. I am just questioning your perception about how others should play the "game".

I rarely post but read a lot, I feel compelled to say this is by far an astute observation of the hypocrisy that is Capitalism.

[Kalifornication]

Exactly! You nailed it! Price negotiation is essential part of free economy. Communism, by definition, kills marketplace so people in general (and girls in particular) are lacking negotiation skills and are not interested in finding win-win deals. This is why you can almost always find a deal at some mid point with Colombian girls, while Cuban girls will often break a deal so everyone loose.

"free economy", . Silly boy, . Your exploiting an economic imbalance. Your simply upset that their communist education (which is -by the numbers- better than what your country can offer) provides them with a since of self-worth and value notwithstanding what you view as illogical in your pure capitalistic economic analysis. Call it what is is. You seek to exploit a human being based upon your perceived economic advantage and you are troubled by their unwillingness to play by your rules. It is that simple. Note, I am not judging what you do with your money nor what you purchase with your money. I am just questioning your perception about how others should play the "game".

[Cuba Tourist]

It is not just negotiating about money. They will set down ultimatums and then refuse to negotiate. Same mentality. Lose-lose again. For example, some girls will insist on using condom for oral sex but they themselves don't actually do this but during discussions they will refuse to back down or compromise. It seems they pick a position and stick to it, no matter what. Later, they ignore what they had fought for.

Still, it seems to me half the price of Colombia overall so I don't agree with the guy that said it was twice the price of Colombia.

[Muzungufotsy]

"they are demanding ("demanding" is the right word, because they are very inflexible when negotiating) ".

Why do you think they are so rigid about negotiating? I found this as well. Since I like to be dominant, this led to me kicking out numerous girls. This was a lose-lose-- they got zero dollars and I got zero sex. If they had been a bit more willing to negotiate, we could have both been happy.

It must have something to do with Communism?

Many reasons. Too many tourists for years. It s the law of offer and demand. Too many mongers who don't negotiate at all. When you see guys proud to pay 100 cuc for 2 hours in a country where the average salary is 20 cuc you understand everything. Chicas know they will find a moron to pay stupid prices sooner or later.

[Chinzano]

"they are demanding ("demanding" is the right word, because they are very inflexible when negotiating) ".

Why do you think they are so rigid about negotiating? I found this as well. Since I like to be dominant, this led to me kicking out numerous girls. This was a lose-lose-- they got zero dollars and I got zero sex. If they had been a bit more willing to negotiate, we could have both been happy.

It must have something to do with Communism?

Exactly! You nailed it! Price negotiation is essential part of free economy. Communism, by definition, kills marketplace so people in general (and girls in particular) are lacking negotiation skills and are not interested in finding win-win deals. This is why you can almost always find a deal at some mid point with Colombian girls, while Cuban girls will often break a deal so everyone loose.

[Cuba Tourist]

"they are demanding ("demanding" is the right word, because they are very inflexible when negotiating) ".

Why do you think they are so rigid about negotiating? I found this as well. Since I like to be dominant, this led to me kicking out numerous girls. This was a lose-lose-- they got zero dollars and I got zero sex. If they had been a bit more willing to negotiate, we could have both been happy.

It must have something to do with Communism?

[Chinzano]

Just came from Havana.

Positives:

1. Very affordable Airbnb. I was staying in The Old Town where you can walk by foot everywhere. For 50 $/ night me and my buddy enjoyed a sparkling clean two floor spacious apartment with two separate bedrooms and 2. 5 bathrooms. Private entrance allowed us to bring girls without any problems. Studios and 1 bedrooms can be rented as low as 20-25 $.

2. Beautiful beaches. Do yourself a favor. Spend some time in Varadero or if you can, go to Cayo coco islands.

3. Lots of music.

4. Relatively safe streets.

Negatives:

1. Lving in Havana is harsh. If you are a foreign tourist. Be prepared to be taken advantage of everywhere and pay crazy prices for everything. From a bottle of water to taxi ride. When you take into the account $110 I paid for visa delivered to my home priore to the trip (can be purchsed cheaper at the Havana airport) and the horrible 1 $ - to - 0. 86 cuc exchange rate, than a week in Havana cost me almost twice then a week in Medellin.

2. The girls, are hard to find and they are not as adventurous and passionate about sex as Colombians, and even as Dominicans. On top of that, they are demanding ("demanding" is the right word, because they are very inflexible when negotiating) around 100 cuc (read 115 $) for 2 hours and 150 for the all night. Luckily, planning my trip, I built connections with a few girls using my favorite SeekingArrangement site. Although there are very few Havana girls on that site, that helped me a lot. It practically allowed me to stay away from street strolling looking for girls. The main problem in Cuba for mongering is that prostitution is illegal. Hence the higher prices and lower quality. The country is very poor and surely there are girls who would be interested in transactional relationships, but I wouldn't suggest Cuba for newbie mongers with limited spanish.

I just wanted to visit Cuba for a while. I did it and I think I am now good. Not planning to return any time soon.

[Chris H]

Last time I was there the invasion has just begun and as always excellent times and memories.

However, Cuba is suffering now! Brazil kicked all of Cuba medical missions (biggest moneymaker After tourism) Venezuela can't help Cuba with trade and fuel because of the current trade embargo and economy depression of Venezuela. And Trump reversed most of Obama's travel policies to Cuba!

All of that I would imagine will make it a buyers market! So who's an experienced Cuba monger who is now or recently been to Cuba and can compare and contrast the mongering scene.

P.S.: Two things I miss about Cuba, cubanas and cigars! And I'm against smoking!

I miss it too. Haven't been since January, and can't wait to get back. Hoping to make it there by October for an overdue visit. I miss my chicas!

[MjTravelLove]

Hey guys. Long time, no post.

I will be back in Havana again soon. OK, it's not what it was back in the early 2000's. Not for mongering. On the bright side, things are a bit better for the people there.

I must confess that I do miss the old mongering scene. Around2000 was shooting fish in barrel.

But here we are today. And I have soe questions for the guys who have been spending time in Havana the last few months:

Any good pickup spots, apart from the obvious?

Is pico blanco open and is it any good these days? I always thought it wasn't very good.

How good or bad is the scene along la rampa, including la gruta and any other bars.

Any bars of note with a good pickup scene?

Or, what's your preferred approach? Pick up at night? Pick up daytime? Centro? Old Havana? La Rampa? Malecon?

Share your input guys, and please let's leave the politics and other talk aside for a minute.

I'll report back fellas!

Thanks!

MjT.

[TomJackin]

However, Cuba is suffering now! Brazil kicked all of Cuba medical missions (biggest moneymaker After tourism) Venezuela can't help Cuba with trade and fuel because of the current trade embargo and economy depression of Venezuela. And Trump reversed most of Obama's travel policies to Cuba!

All of that I would imagine will make it a buyers market! So who's an experienced Cuba monger who is now or recently been to Cuba and can compare and contrast the mongering scene.

I was there in May and I had a great time, but the new restrictions are killing the Cuban people. They were hanging on with having cruise ships from the US visit, and that has changed. I posted a long TR on my thoughts about my first and only visit to that wonderful county.

I haven't been back to havana since the american invasion 2 years ago.

I think you have some dates mixed up. The so called American invasion happened after Obama lifted travel restrictions in 2015. But in 2017, Trump reversed the restrictions and the so called American invasion stopped because there were confusing thoughts and Americans thought they were no longer allowed to go to Cuba. But under "Support of the Cuban) which I traveled under, there were no issues whatsoever. Thus, many still don't have an idea how to travel to Cuba legally.