Havana

[Sangnyc21]

Well, I'm back in the US after two weeks on the island. And it is good to be home and breathe fresh air, have potable water, and be where I can relax and eat anything without fear of a gastrointestinal disaster (in Cuba I generally live off of protein bars, cheese / salami & crackers, and a few other things I make there).

Anyway, a good trip. My contacts were solely through Badoo and Bumble. I also had some repeat amigas that I looked up again after my last trip in August. If I can give any advice, it's set yourself up in advance with Badoo. And by "in advance" I mean *months* in advance. Some girls get a little data on their phones, create a Badoo profile, but are gone quickly (and sometimes, forever) when their data runs out. You have to strike and get their Whatsapp within a few PM's, and then you are set unless they change their number. If you are really motivated to have a great trip with lots of variety and don't just want to hook up with anything with a hole (I. E. , you have standards and high motivation), it's a process that you must go through to curate a stable of your type of chicas. This means regularly checking Badoo for new profiles a few times a week (months before your trip), and making contact, and getting those Whatsapp numbers. You can't wait until your trip to start looking if you want to find the stars...

Just curious why you can't bring too much chocolate? Also does customs in Cuba open search your luggage after arriving?

[AmorPorFavor]

This was a report of distinction.

Yes an excellent report and I completely agree with his thoughts on how to pay these girls in dirt poor counties. We were very fortunate to be born in the first world. I have not been back to Cuba since covid but it was great times in 17,18 and 19. Probably the best it will ever be. I met an extremely beautiful Cubana there. We had a thing going. She asked if I would sponsor her to come to the US through the new parole program. I said yes. I put the app in a year ago but CIS is not moving on it but it has not been denied. I figured that while she lived with me and I was supporting and helping her to build a new life I would have a 21 yo 10 in my bed every night. If she left me so be it and I would not be paying anymore. I am in my early 60's (but look about 50) so no thoughts of marriage and kids just lots of great sex. She managed to get to Dubai where she is hooking and making good money. She went after we waited over 6 months for CIS. Her instagram is incredible sooo hot. I have been going to Colombia since 21 and I am in Medellin right now fucking my brains out with sexy Colombianas.

[AmericanPi]

Well, I'm back in the US after two weeks on the island. And it is good to be home and breathe fresh air, have potable water, and be where I can relax and eat anything without fear of a gastrointestinal disaster (in Cuba I generally live off of protein bars, cheese / salami & crackers, and a few other things I make there).

I'm sure I'll remember more later. Maybe a list of things I brought, or wish I had brought. Cheers.

This was a report of distinction.

[JinaWrangler]

Well, I'm back in the US after two weeks on the island. And it is good to be home and breathe fresh air, have potable water, and be where I can relax and eat anything without fear of a gastrointestinal disaster (in Cuba I generally live off of protein bars, cheese / salami & crackers, and a few other things I make there).

Anyway, a good trip. My contacts were solely through Badoo and Bumble. I also had some repeat amigas that I looked up again after my last trip in August. If I can give any advice, it's set yourself up in advance with Badoo. And by "in advance" I mean *months* in advance. Some girls get a little data on their phones, create a Badoo profile, but are gone quickly (and sometimes, forever) when their data runs out. You have to strike and get their Whatsapp within a few PM's, and then you are set unless they change their number. If you are really motivated to have a great trip with lots of variety and don't just want to hook up with anything with a hole (I. E. , you have standards and high motivation), it's a process that you must go through to curate a stable of your type of chicas. This means regularly checking Badoo for new profiles a few times a week (months before your trip), and making contact, and getting those Whatsapp numbers. You can't wait until your trip to start looking if you want to find the stars.

With that said, some are extremely flaky, or live too far away for taxis, so be sure to find out how close they live to your casa. Some will just ghost. Some suddenly start just getting one checkmark on your PM's, which means message not delivered. Phone lost, stolen, or new phone number? Who knows, just poof. This is why you build a little rapport with them over time, to keep them motivated to see you. My advice is, if you want 10 girls in 10 nights, you'd better have 20 whataspp numbers. This is work, boys!

To me it is reminiscent of recruiting in college sports. First you have to ID and locate the talent, then you need to convince them to come on your team. Once they meet me, they are locked in because I take care of them. I actually had a few of my repeats mad at me that I didn't see them on my first night (see my entitlement discussion below)! But honestly it was like herding cats, getting them to show up and not end up with a lost night. My advice is to book them earlier in the day, so that if they flake, you can sub in a plan be from your bullpen. But the hard part is getting them to come for that first visit without flaking. Appointment dates and times, like much of Latin America, are general guidelines in Cuba. They will invariably be late.

My Spanish is minimal but improved from last visit (I've been using the Babbel app). But that is unimportant on Badoo since you can just use a translator app. By the time you see them in person, maybe PM them that you are not great at spoken Spanish, and they'll need to talk slowly and you'll be using a traductir (translator) (habla mas despacio por favor!) I was surprised how well Google Translate app could pick up one of my all-stars' machine gun spoken Spanish. (Be sure to download the proper dictionaries so you can use offline). Anyway, for those with weak Spanish, get a Badoo profile and Google Translate.

Ask what they want you to bring them (one girl asked for Nutella! Nutella FFS! So I brought her a jar of that and she was thrilled). Also, you cannot bring too much chocolate. Buy a few of those Hershey's 6-packs and you can't go wrong. And of course bring a full medicine (Immodium laxative analgesic tums antihistamine burn itch antibiotic cremes, etc) and bandage kit for yourself, which you can give away at the end. The girls with kids will really appreciate meds. I even brought my own beer and energy drinks (although I was overweight at the airport despite 2 free 70 lbs checked bags and I had to leave some of my beer with the baggage lady).

And don't forget such gifts for your AirBNB hosts and their employees (whom you should be tipping). You definitely want them on your side.

Some thoughts:

First thing after I collected my baggage, bought an MLC card with $200 on it (the currency exchange stores are on the outside of the airport building), and then across the street from Jose Marti Airport to the mini mall and the ETECSA store for my Cubacel SIM and activation. I don't know how you would call your AirBNB hosts otherwise. There's also a store there that has bottled water.

It was definitely easier to explore on foot during the day versus August, much cooler. There were actually a couple of days that were so windy, it was too chilly to go out!

I didn't walk around after dark, so my street interaction information is limited. I will say that the Paseo Prado is a great walk in the late afternoon, especially on weekends. Most times I saw come chicas sitting on the benches, either starting at me or trying to get my attention. But this is not my wheelhouse, sorry. I think you get more variety and higher standards on Badoo.

The walk up the Prado, then a right at San Rafael at the Hotel Inglaterra, is good exercise and always some interesting people, if you get my drift. Also some great stores on SanRafael. One even had Lysol!

I never once used anything but dollars (other than MLC in some limited places that demanded it). The only peso I touched was a 20 one of my chicas gave me as a momento (She wrote a note on it).

WRT building relationships there, I think it is a spectrum like autism or the amateur-pro jinetera scale. I definitely have some quality starters in my bullpen. Keeping in touch with them and giving them some love and flirtation every so often via Whatsapp seems to help build rapport and keep them in the rotation. Obviously, making one your girlfriend or something serious is a very bad idea. But I take good care of my starting rotation. You get what you pay for (I have very specific standards and they are not low).

Again, I'll say to the guy who says if you pay them well you don't respect yourself. One, don't judge me just because you are cheap. Two, I feel a lot better about myself when I give a little extra to someone who needs it in a shitty situation, when I have been blessed with a lot of discretionary income. Just because you are cheap or poor, don't judge what I do with my money! If anything, a trip to Cuba makes me appreciate what I have more, and I go out of my way to be generous to these poor unfortunate souls. Some of them are very desperate and it can be very depressing if you possess any empathy whatsoever. And I say this as an extremely conservative person when it comes to the deadbeats in my own country. So when I leave Cuba, I do so with my head held high that I didn't lowball some desperate person because some judgmental cheapo on ISL says so.

With that said, the downside can be basic human nature: Gratitude is a very fleeting emotion, and can quickly convert to entitlement. I was very taken aback by the entitlement and attitude of one of my starters, so she had to go on the waiver wire. Not to be too crude, but one starts to understand what having "a strong pimp hand" means. Without setting limits or expectations, people will roll over you. This is not to judge those in a crappy shithole country. It's just human nature. You feed a stray cat, and it is very happy the first time. The next day it expects it, and will resent you if you don't feed it what it likes to eat when it knows you have a huge refrigerator full of food. It is natural for someone to push for more until they hear the word "no". So you have to balance generosity with an understanding of human nature. Treat them with understanding, empathy, and respect. Just don't be a pushover.

I did notice the jineteros seem even more aggressive than in August. Constant offers by the carnival barkers on the streets for puros or money change or chicas. You will be yelled at regularly "TAXI? Even when it is obvious that you are walking on purpose. One dude came up to me after I left my local mercado with a (see through) sack full of beer and was very aggressive in asking for one (no you can't have a beer for doing nothing). I switched to using opaque bags for such store visits. My advice is do not engage anyone on the street who even seems to be nice. Pretend to be deaf (obviously this excludes those looking to meet chicas). I also had a bici taxi guy I offered $10 to take me less than a mile promptly demand $40 when we arrived. I told him to pound sand and left the $10 on the seat and walked away. So yeah, you have be on your guard and be firm. I would advise getting to know some local taxi guys. The ones who are reasonable, get their business cards so you can call them. I had a guy named Leudar of Taxi-Cuba who was great, reasonable and always available. This is particularly important if you go somewhere where there aren't a lot of taxis, like the beach, and want to get home.

WRT AirBNB's, again I think not mentioning guests in advance is the best policy. Look under "house rules. " If it's silent, you're probably fine. And ask if the host lives on site. If they live 20 minutes away, you should be golden. I'd also ask, do they have water and beer available to buy? Or is there at least a close store nearby that has such? One of my hosts had *American* Kirkland bottled water for $1/ ea, like gold bars in Cuba (she claimed that they have been burned by fake Cuban bottled water). Water is life, so ask your host about your options. And bring earplugs if you are a light sleeper. Cuba is always noisy, especially on weekend nights.

I'm sure I'll remember more later. Maybe a list of things I brought, or wish I had brought. Cheers.

[AmericanPi]

Treat each woman you meet in foreign countries with dignity, respect and manners; but when your arrangement with each woman terminates, make sure it truly ends upon your departure from her country.

Those are such wise words I wish they were not confined to this little corner of ISG. Everyone should have this imprinted in their brains.

Every man who thinks to themselves: but she's special, she's not like the others. I can tell the difference. Those words have been uttered by many before and many after.

[WanderingMan]

Agree 100% with the previous poster and it's not unique to Cuba. For any country where we pursue this hobby, taking the girl out of her country is a terrible decision. You will get screwed every single time. Even building a relationship with a pro or semi-pro in her own country is probably not wise, but the problems multiply if you take her out.

In my experiences you are correct. When abroad in the military, I saw several service members fall for pros, semi-pros and the girls who "never did this with a foreigner before. " It happened all over the world, in Asia, Europe, South America, etc. Each and every time, bringing a girl back to the USA ended in disaster for the service members, some lost only money, others friends, military careers, etc. I would like to say only young service members fell prey to the trap, but the expression, "there is no fool like an old fool," proved to include service members.

Treat each woman you meet in foreign countries with dignity, respect and manners; but when your arrangement with each woman terminates, make sure it truly ends upon your departure from her country.

[Combo]

Agree 100% with the previous poster and it's not unique to Cuba. For any country where we pursue this hobby, taking the girl out of her country is a terrible decision. You will get screwed every single time. Even building a relationship with a pro or semi-pro in her own country is probably not wise, but the problems multiply if you take her out.

[Edye Minetye]

Hey gents,

Headed to Isla de Juventud for some fishing in a couple months. Have 1 night in Havana and would love to experience the local offerings. Staying at the Parque Central Hotel. Can you bring ladies back to the hotel? I read somewhere that is frowned upon.

Any suggestions to make my trip memorable are appreciated!

Thanks.

Moog.

A few years ago during corona I chose to spend the 5 days of quarantine in the Parque Central hotel.

When I sent for my fiance on the 6th day, she was not allowed to check in.

[MexicanCuban]

Hello Lion,

The best piece of advice is this: don't. Just avoid it.

I could tell you a million stories, but let me give you just 2 or 3.

A friend of mine, who was one of thw weathiest friends I had when we were in our late 20's, got himself a Cuban GF in Havana, dated her for a year, and then he took her out of the country to live with him. She was very nice at first, loving, etc. But then my friend's business colapsed and he didn't have money anymore, so this Cuban chick just left him. Like they say, money runs out, love runs out.

Another friend had a Cuban GF, he took her out of the country, and the very first night she said she was not feeling ok when staying at my friends house and that she preferred to spend the 1st night at a hotel. It was all part of her plan, because the very next morning my friend went to her hotel to pick her up and she had left him by going to the US border to ask for asylum (there was this dry feet wet feet policy back then that if you arrived by foot as a cuban, you could ask for asylum).

Me? I didn't have as bad luck as them, I had a GF, just visited many times, but never took her out of the country. Got bored of her so I stopped seeing her or calling her. A few months ago after many years, I sent her an email, we exchanged numbers and staring chatting by whatsapp. In less than 3-4 days she asked me for money to buy an air conditioner because it was too hot in havana. Of course I didn't send her anything and just stopped texting her.

So, I'm tellling you all this so that you know that Cuban women (not all of course, but most of them) will see you as an ATM, just as a money giving robot. Its one of the worst decisions you could ever make. Finding a cuban woman who will love you for you as a foreigner, well, its easier that you win the powerball. Its extremely difficult youll find love there. The country is a complete mess, even more than 17 years ago since I went there for the 1st time, everyone wants to leave, so do yourself a favor and do not do it.

Fun thing is that when me and my friends started dating these cuban women, we were in our 20's, we were young guys, so now that we are in our 40's, well, its a lot less likely that they like us for what we are, since we are old guys.

I could recommend that you look for a Mexican woman, maybe Spanish too. You might have better luck with those than with a cuban. Not sure what your friend told you, but he definitely has no idea about what's going on.

Cheers.

PS You can go to cuba, get a Gf but never try to take her out of the country, just go there, visit her, fuck her and have fun, youll have to help her with some money and thats it. if u take her out of the country, your problems will begin, big time, fighting, cheating, spending all ur money, leave u, etc, so avoid that situation and never marry her or take her out of the country, trust me.

Hi,

I'm I've been living in Medellin for the past 4 months and my spanish is decent. I came here looking for a girlfriend. Yet the only girls that I match with on dating sites are working girls and I joined salsa clubs, roller skating clubs and went to language exchanges yet it seems like in Medellin many (not all) local normal non working girls look down on dating foreigner guys, but when I first went to Medellin in 2017, so many local girls wanted to know who I was, where I was coming from and had so many questions about why I am in Colombia.

My friend told me that Havana is a place where you can meet a girl and have a relationship with her and the relationship won't be so transactional.

Is this true? I've never been to Cuba, so any info you guys give me would be very helpful.

[GrownMan1]

Great report, and you solidified everything I have been saying about Havana. You can get top of the line girls very easily for $20 -$30. Police aren't bothering people, and there's plenty of resources through out the city. I can't wait to return in March!

Hey Chris hit me up. I may go with you in March.

[WanderingMan]

Hey guys, how are the girls like with the use of condoms in Cuba? Is it mandatory with many or do they have a more care free attitude with doms?

The "dom" comment had me laughing since most who consider themselves "dom" are self-identified. However, that self-identification has nothing to do with why Cuban women don't require condoms.

The reason many women in third-world countries don't require a man to utilize a condom has more to do with the lack of availability of condoms. If you don't bring condoms and they are not available in Cuba, logically you will be having unprotected sex.

On January 17,2023, in the Havana Times, it stated. "HAVANA TIMES The shortage of condoms in pharmacies and health centers is taking a heavy toll on Cuban families with a rise in sexually transmitted diseases (STDs), as well as unwanted pregnancies and abortions, said Dr. Deglis Luciano, head of the Program of STDs in the province of Guantanamo. " The article further stated, "The condom shortage is not a recent issue in Cuba, but it worsened with the covid-19 pandemic. A publication in this newspaper in 2020 found that pharmacies did not have the product in their inventories, considered one of the most efficient because it is a barrier to the spread of diseases and unwanted pregnancies. The only places where they could be found, and with a limited supply, was in stores that accept payment only in CUC (the USD equivalent that no longer exists), but at a prohibitive price for Cubans. ".

[AmericanPi]

Hey guys, how are the girls like with the use of condoms in Cuba? Is it mandatory with many or do they have a more care free attitude with doms?

Ugh, this question.

Honestly, the income disparity is so vast that you can probably fairly easily get a girl to go sans. But you shouldn't. I swear I assume any guy who asks this question has already contracted the viral lifelong infections and just don't care anymore. Look, any girl you pay for sex has gotten paid by others for sex. You're not planting a flag. Part of the hobby is learning to make do with protection so you're not exposing yourself to things you don't already have, if there are any of those even still left at this point.

[ThePenetrator]

Hey guys, how are the girls like with the use of condoms in Cuba? Is it mandatory with many or do they have a more care free attitude with doms?

[Zeos1]

Hi,

I'm I've been living in Medellin for the past 4 months and my spanish is decent. I came here looking for a girlfriend. Yet the only girls that I match with on dating sites are working girls and I joined salsa clubs, roller skating clubs and went to language exchanges yet it seems like in Medellin many (not all) local normal non working girls look down on dating foreigner guys, but when I first went to Medellin in 2017, so many local girls wanted to know who I was, where I was coming from and had so many questions about why I am in Colombia.

My friend told me that Havana is a place where you can meet a girl and have a relationship with her and the relationship won't be so transactional.

Is this true? I've never been to Cuba, so any info you guys give me would be very helpful.

Don't know how old you are or what your life situation is, but why would a girl in Cuba want a relationship that is not transactional? They are hoping for money one way or the other. If they were just looking for love they would want someone who lives there at the very least.

[Adinga]

The Cuban girls work slower but they know the game.

Its always about the money or you getting them out of the country.

Most girls are juggling a few tourist boyfriends like girls in Colombia, DR, Brazil ect.