Havana

[GrownMan1]

Trip report 10 days in Havana August 2015.


Without the consent of my friend Americano573 I will not disclose his program but I can say what a program it is, it has taken him years to perfect and he reaps the rewards each day of his time in Cuba. It actually is incredible how much fun and different girls he has all throughout the island. The difference is that he puts in a great deal of effort and I saw first hand the benefits and even enjoyed a few side benefits myself. Thanks again my brother from another mother.

Know that these are my observations and experiences and yours may be different. That is OK. There are many details left out of this report but suffice to say that these are highlights only meant to provide information to others interested in visiting Cuba.

The Tall Man.

you have knocked it out the park. Your report is a summary of my 5 day in Cuba. I hope I have an opportunity and the time to write a report on my specific experiences.

[Taboc]

You can very quickly spend a sizable amount of money on all the taxi fares for you and carting around your girls.

Thank you for the report, and you have laid it out really well. When I read your comment about the taxi fare, I recollect spending more on taxi than all other expenses. This was a bit of a shocker in Havana as I was used to other towns where one could just walk around or the bici costs a fraction to go around. This is what happened before I tried my best to control this expense.

Day.

10 cuc for the chica in, and 10 cuc for chica out, 10 cuc for a return trip to a paladar.

Night.

10 cuc for the club, 10 cuc return from the club, and potentially 10 cuc for the separate ride of chica.

Total.

60 cuc / day.

Some of you might say, 60 cuc is not much as there is comfort in taxi. I would rather spend this money on chicas who deserve it than the taxi drivers. To control the cost, one has to know the nexus between chicas and drivers. A number of these drivers tell the chica that she needs taxi because of cops. For example, when I used to take chicas from a place like Taramar there is a police check post on the highway, the drivers who know the cops, just say hola and drive away, chicas feel safe with them. If you are dependant on the taxi drivers for chicas, then I don't think there is a way cut this cost as a result.

Now I end up staying on the taxi collectivo route when in Havana, that means within easy walking from Neputano, Avenida 23, Linea or Malecon. I tell the chicas to take taxi collectivo, and the only time I use the taxi is when returning from a club as it is late and collectivos are not many.

[The Tall Man]

Trip report 10 days in Havana August 2015.

Preface Throughout my 10 days in and around Havana I could not help but wonder how different my experience and perhaps disappointment would have been because of the changes in Cuba and P4 P challenges if I had chosen to travel to Cuba instead of Brazil back in 2000 and 2001. But at a simple "flip of a coin" decision and Brazil and European destinations won out and I enjoyed my multiple trips to San Paulo and Rio back in the day.

I do know for an absolute certainty that if I did not have my fellow veteran travel partner Americano573, whom was so gracious to take me under his wing, if not for him my experience in Cuba would have been completely different, so I owe a big debt of gratitude to Americano573. His command of Spanish (this cannot be overstated in its importance in Cuba) his story's & experiences from his 14 plus years of travel throughout all of Cuba, the relationships that he has formed, the way he has adapted to the changes and the manner in which he has mastered his "game" is not only fascinating to watch first hand in action but best of all he unselfishly shares this information (women too) with a Cuban travel newbie as myself. There are others who have sent me suggestions via PM on this board who I wish to thank.

Much has already been written about Havana regards the girls, the police, the bars, the SW scene, the beaches, the pros, the pimps, the hassles, the hustle, the food, the casa particulars, the scams, the heat as yes August 2015 was very hot, and know that it is all spot on so not much to add to this that has not already been discussed in detail.

By design, this being my first trip to Cuba, I decided to stay in the Vedado area for the whole stay. We were roomies together in the same casa which was a god send. This proved very useful as its location is good central spot. You can very quickly spend a sizable amount of money on all the taxi fares for you and carting around your girls. The casa accommodations are relatively reasonable at 25 CUC a day but you can easily spend 20 to 60 CUC a day when you want to go and play.

The best advice I can give others is to learn some Spanish and if not you, like myself, will be a distant last place when it comes to the P4 P scene and your enjoyment factor. Fortunately my partner Americano573 speaks great Spanish and he took concern for me for the best possible enjoyment that I had with the girls.

The second best advice is do not trust anyone in Cuba as they ALL are out to get something from you. There are scams in every crevice of Havana's P4 P scene especially when it comes to taxi and restaurant meals and girls. I have been in many places in the world and I saw first hand how well they play the scam games. I saw first hand all the BS that goes on at the music / dance clubs. After one visit I will never step foot in these places ever again. The girl prices are absurd and frankly beyond ruin.

In my stay I enjoyed the company of about 5 girls a with a few hand picked by my friend. These were from other areas of Cuba so they were low volume provincial girls. I would argue that the vast majority of girls from Havana are spoiled and ruined because of the way some guys throw money at them. So yes IMHO you must get out of Havana to have any real enjoyment other than just a quick short term experience.

So would I recommend Cuba? Will I return? I could only recommend outside Havana and only if you speak some Spanish and are clever and have some "game" to you. This is not a Tijuana experience where you walk into Hong Kong bar and see a hundred very willing and doable Latin girls for $60-$80 no you have to work at your Cuban experience. I would only return if I would spend my time outside of Havana and if I spoke Spanish or had a great wingman as I did.

In summary I am glad I had the experience and adventure of seeing a new place. Cuba is a place that you must see at least once in your life if not for the P4 P scene but also for the country and friendly people. Not once did I feel threatened, hassled yes but in danger no! BTW I was never hassled like we get hassled in Tijuana at the bars, at most one tenth of what we endure in Tijuana.

Without the consent of my friend Americano573 I will not disclose his program but I can say what a program it is, it has taken him years to perfect and he reaps the rewards each day of his time in Cuba. It actually is incredible how much fun and different girls he has all throughout the island. The difference is that he puts in a great deal of effort and I saw first hand the benefits and even enjoyed a few side benefits myself. Thanks again my brother from another mother.

Know that these are my observations and experiences and yours may be different. That is OK. There are many details left out of this report but suffice to say that these are highlights only meant to provide information to others interested in visiting Cuba.

The Tall Man.

[Lusifer69]

Just returned yesterday and I will post my experiences, comments and observations as soon as I catch up and formulate my thoughts.

The Tall Man.

We are still waiting on that report body.

[Combo]

Sorry. I am confused a bit. Which city in Cuba has more fair skinned chicas?

THanks.

As a very general guideline, the farther East and South you go in Cuba, the more the people tend to be of African descent. Guys that like Negritas should head to Santiago (again Santiago, Cuba not Santiago, DR). Guys that like Blancas are better off in the West / North in a mid-sized town like Santa Clara or Pinar del Rio.

[StrawBoy]

I guess GrownMan meant Santiago in Dominican Republic, not in Cuba.

Sorry. I am confused a bit. Which city in Cuba has more fair skinned chicas?

THanks.

[Finnish Fucker]

Santiago has many more Dark skinnned chicas than light skinned. Holguin has many more light skinned than in Santiago.

I guess GrownMan meant Santiago in Dominican Republic, not in Cuba.

[Cubiche]

Thanks for your info. Does Santiago has more light skinned chicas? How about Hoguin?

Many thanks.

Santiago has many more Dark skinnned chicas than light skinned. Holguin has many more light skinned than in Santiago.

[StrawBoy]

No that's pretty much correct, except in Santiago.

Thanks for your info. Does Santiago has more light skinned chicas? How about Hoguin?

Many thanks.

[GrownMan1]

So far so good. Sitting in the airport waiting for my wingman. I see and read a lot of recent reports. I.

I am not the least bit concerned. I am not expecting anything but to make the best out of the time I am there. I book a flight to Dr just in case I'm very disappointed. The last time Cuba really impressed me. I want a repeat but I AM Not over paying for it.

[GrownMan1]

I have never been to DR but what I have read it is not far away from Cuba except the game with the cops. Similar looking girls, putas mostly with darker skin? Correct me if I am wrong.

No that's pretty much correct, except in Santiago.

[Finnish Fucker]

Just arrived home from Havana and basically there is nothing exciting going on.

The chica scene is dead unless your into the late night disco club scene and nothing spectacular is happening there either.

Some advice for first time travelers:

* Havana is expensive when you take into consideration the quality of what your getting.

* Prices are increasing in anticipation of arrival of American tourists.

* $100 US will convert to 87 Cuban Convertible pesos at major hotels (13% Haircut).

* Poor food except in local paladars.

* Internet is extremely slow..

I agree to these observations from Adinga. Except the payment for the girls. 50 or 60 cuc does not make any difference if you fly from the other part of the globe to Cuba and sweating your balls off in the infernal heat in Havana haggling for 10 CUC. If you like the girl pay what she asks. 50,60,70 or 80, who gives a fuck if you are on vacation. As the Spanish say "el tiempo es oro!" Unless they ask 150 CUC for 1 hour like one moron average looking hooker in hotel Melia Cohiba's lobby bar. Well if you have the money, then rock out with your cock out.

I would like to add one thing to Adinga's list which is a major letdown in Cuba. Namely the goddamn hide and seek game with the police. This crap is a true mood killer and makes the mongering awkward and far less enjoyable. I did not remember this shit when I booked my flights to Cuba.

Cuba is maybe worth visiting once if you have max 2-3 hours flight to get there. And if you like Salsa and / or Cigars it is a good country to go. Otherwise I would not recommend Cuba to anyone unless you are a veteran punter with Spanish skills. Brazil or Colombia in SA are better places for the hobby. Better infrastructure, better food, equal or better looking putas who don't have to hide or run to the hills when seeing a cop. Euro and Dollar are now strong against Brazilian Reais.

I have never been to DR but what I have read it is not far away from Cuba except the game with the cops. Similar looking girls, putas mostly with darker skin? Correct me if I am wrong.

[The Tall Man]

Just returned yesterday and I will post my experiences, comments and observations as soon as I catch up and formulate my thoughts.

The Tall Man.

[GrownMan1]

Its also helps to be bold if you want non-pro girls with Spanish as you will be making the first move. They are all available IMHO but want money so don't waste time trying to get it for free.

The beach for me was not good for pickup. I went there to relax, but if you go on walkabout, again bold and speak some Spanish your score rate will increase.

So much erotic diversity available with the right mental attitude.

I only been to Cuba once this year but that's the major lesson I have learned. You must be bold and confident in approaching a chica. A few times I had the heart to approach but then ol smooth ass Mr. G coming in with much better Spanish and walks away with the chica's number. One must practice and memorize the opening line. Make it funny and creative. The DR had me spoil. Chica come at you all day. Cuba tests your skillz.

[Mr Gogo]

My timing is completely off, dealing with Erika (tropical storm) and the Pope coming in two weeks makes my trip challenging, but I'm all-in.

I've been playing the Casa game for two weeks but decided to fall back to my trusted Casa. I sent 8 requests out on Airnb two months ago with no responses. I tried the casas that a member posted a few pages back but they all want money in advance. I explained that in Cuba a reservation with cash is useless because if someone walks up with cash I'm fucked, but they wouldn't budge on the deposit. Then I found a website that allows you to contact the owner directly and that was bullshit. Most never got back to me and the others said the Casa wasn't available and they had others but no pictures.

I usually like to know exactly where a regular girl lives in Havana but girls there are so sneaky or ashamed of where they live that they didn't allow me to escort them home. Because of this and the fact that their phone numbers are disconnected, I've lost some good fucks and have to reset. In a way I'm still excited because it's like I'm starting new in Cuba but I have the experience of several trips. Things happen for a reason so I guess it's out with the old and in with the new. I was telling my wingman yesterday that I will have a second Casa this trip. Most girls that know me will stake out my known Casa once word spreads that I'm in Havana and I don't want that also I'm looking for a second Casa to establish some reliable Casa owners one guy is an investor and has 3 units in the same building so I will do a walk through.

Luckily my bicitaxi guy has resurfaced via email so I'm still connected to the streets. Cuba is never easy but just being there with all the history and culture is worth the visit.

I figure with the Pope coming soon that there could possibly be a crackdown coming to clean things up, but I'm prepared. I've found a spot at the flea market here in Miami that has these cute sundresses for 5 dollars each so I will probably have about 10 of these dresses. I'm going to lay the dresses out and take pictures to show the girls, hopefully this will be a successful way to get girls over to hangout. I've seen it work for Grownman so I'm stealing his technique LOL.

Just wanted to vent pre-trip to show newbies that even veterans have challenges when it comes to Cuba but don't give up.