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09-10-09 03:01 #2184
Be straight up with Cuban women but be polite if possible.
Don't try to fuck movie stars every night.The best fuck is usually with a 7 not a 10. Ive been hittin on the girls 28 -40 and having good results and better sex.They are more mature and alot less headaches.
Paying alot of money for pussy shows weakness and stupidity.
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09-09-09 23:43 #2183"El Cochinito" was great when I lived in Havana. I could show my student carnet and pay in CUP.
Originally Posted by El Grande
La Roca is a staple of my dining in Vedado. Good food and very reasonable.
Some other options:
La Fontana in Miramar: Really nice food, but not really cheap
El Ajibe in Miramar: Great chicket
La Guarida in Centro: Probably the best restaurant in Havana. You'll need reservations
Los Amigos: Nice paladar in Vedado, very reasonable
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09-09-09 20:50 #2182
Funny you mention los nardos. Last steady I had used to work there, haven't eaten there yet, even though she tried to get me to go many times. Also forgot to mention another good place to go where you get a "surf and turf" for 3 people for 15cuc. It's a good place to bring a few chicks and keep it within the budget. Pedregal, located near macumba in sybounay.
I usually stay away from the hotel restaurants. Are the ones in melia cohiba any good? The italian restaurant located in the melia habana is good. The chef is italian.
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09-09-09 19:32 #2181Fine selection. Nardos is great, but don't pass the line for the upstairs room, wait to be seated downstairs in the great furnished salon. Originally Posted by El Chico
I'd also add the "Flor de Loto" here, one of Havanas best in the barrio chino, two blocks away from the busy china town street. Great food and reasonable prices.
And dont forget the real cheap paladares, where you pay the food in CUP and only drinks in CUC, e.g.:
"El Cochinito" half openair restaurant at 23rd street; and
"La Roca" one block from the hotel Nacional.
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09-09-09 19:16 #2180Los Nardos - Across from the Capitolio - good food - large portions inexpensive - but all male waiters are sometimes pushy and down right rude - usually line-up - no reservations Originally Posted by Deep Dive
El Gran Azul - inside the National Aquarium (in front of Russian Embassy) Food OK and cheap - is inside the dolphin tank as they watch you eat
El Templete - Plaza de Armas - food good but not cheap
Melia Habana Hotel - 3rd Ave e/ 76 y 78 Playa - Good Italian, Japanese and Brazilian restaurants and Buffet on 9th floor all reasonably priced
La Casa - Calle 30, No. 865 e/26 y 41, Nuevo Vedado, good food reasonably priced
La Coruna - Gervasio St., off Reina St., Centro Habana - Traditional Cuban food - very cheap, huge portions and good service.
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09-09-09 16:23 #2179
The "system"
Tourist when in Cuba have to understand that these people are generally poor and will go to great lengths to earn a living and that means conning and living off of tourists. It's part of what they call "la mecanica", so you have to go with the flow and live with it. I mean can you blame them? If you feel you're gettting the shaft without justification. Just tell them you know about la mecanica.
From my experience with chicks that don't take money blatanly, usually don't want to be perceived as jineteras. So they will just accept the situation and hope that you will offer other things. My interpretation is that cuban chicks have netgative repution. Meaning they are labled as *****s. Like russians. The only difference between the two is that Russian chicks don't give a shit and cubans do.
Switching to another subject entirely, restaurants and paladars. Any suggestions from members on good ones. I enjoy good food, and in habana it's almost impossible to get anything good to eat. I usaully wind up cooking myself. I know there are lots of good paladars out there, but you have to know about them from word of mouth. So any suggestions?
My list:
La cocina de lilians. Expensive but good
La fontana. Expensive but good
El deluvio. Best pizza in town. And fast!
El aljibe. Good state run all you can eat
Palenque. Good state run smoked pork. And really cheap
El doctor.
La esparanza. Never gone heard it's good
El guarida. Over hyped
A few in el bario chino
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09-09-09 12:00 #2178El Cubanito - my experience has been very spotty in the campos. If the city in the campo is too small - the jeva is unlikely to fvck you because she is worried that all the neighbors will instantly know and will report her to the local Cederista. Originally Posted by El Cubanito
I am sure that your good times in Guines was a fluke - it was good only on the particular day that you visited, because perhaps the local police chief was out of town or feeling particularly lax that week.
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09-09-09 11:47 #2177
Jonesie............
I have been to Catalina de Guines and NO the talent in this town does NOT impress me. I am talking about Guines. The talent here is very very good. Originally Posted by Jonesie
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09-08-09 17:36 #2176I don't see it like that. It's sure enough a promiscous society and most Cuban men fuck around and have a girlfriend and a lover and another lover and then the extra stuff 'en la calle'. Why would a foreigner need to be with just one when all the Cubans are fucking everything with a pulse? Originally Posted by El Chico
Agree that like everywhere else in the world, lots of girls looking for guys with money. But also, like anywhere else, there are girls for whom money is not the most important. And why not believe she is interested if you know something about judging Cuban girls? In Cuba, most girls seem to think 'the lighter the better' when it comes to boys/men. So being a white/blond/blue eyed European/North American is not that bad, lookswize. And while there are plenty of good actors among cubanas, I do believe a girl is interested in me when after 8 dates and 6-7 times in bed, she still hasn't asked for money or even implied that she needed a new dress, shoes, phone money etc. I have met several girls who have refused to take any money. One girl, I finally hid a 50 CUC note in her purse last time I saw her before I flew home. Three months later when I came back, she gave me the bill back and was very offended! And that was a girl with a lousy paid crab job sitting in a booth by the harbour with no aircon counting ships 10 hours a day! Of course, that is NOT typical of Cuba. And yes, most of the 'nice' girls who don't take money for sex will still be wishing/hoping, even begging, for some spending cash or new clothes. And a little of that is fine with me, but when they go overboard and ask for something every time you see them, that's it for me. Cause then it's the same as paying directy for sex. Originally Posted by El Chico
Depends on whether you think you are deceiving them. If you are honest and don't pretend to be looking for a serious relationship, then it is their choice (as in the 'normal' world) if they are up for sex. I never pretend to be looking to marry her or take a girl abroad, but I admit that I do at times exaggerate the amount of work I have to do there. And yes, it can get hectic and rough at times if you have worked up a portfolio of girls and some of them are beginning to think they are your girlfriend. It's a challenging balance, not wanting to deceive and not wanting to stick to just one. Originally Posted by El Chico
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09-08-09 16:21 #2175
P4p
Look guys, either way. Up front or the back end. One has to pay. Some people prefer up front and others the back end. There are pros and cons for both, but I can assure you there is going to be expenditures. I prefer the back end. It's more of a GFE, but the costs add up. Dinner, drinks, etc. I've been told by some of my friends that the only way to go is up front, that way you know what your damages are and you know for sure the chic is going to leave. There is some truth to that! I've had many girlfriends down there, however you start to feel guilty that some of them don't even have soap or shampo so you start getting them stuff and that just leads to bigger stuff. True the cubans are horny to begin with, so a lot of them figure why not make some money while enjoying, but the sex is a transactional type of sex. The non-pros once you've scored, are just off the hook. Just incredible. Because some of them haven't had sex in a few months! That's like a few years for girls outside of Cuba! I do admit, once and a while I like going to check the super pros at places like la cecilia or casa de la musica just to see them in action, all the 70 year old italians spending 100cucs plus. Thinking they are rock stars! The chicks are defenitely super hot, and depending on how drunk I get, sometimes end up with one. There are other clubs that local cubans frequent, however at these place it's almost impossible to hook up since the chicks are ussually with boyfriend or friends just enjoying a night out.
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09-08-09 15:28 #2174I think it all depends on your point of view. If you are looking for a real girlfriend and are only going to be with her, sure take the time to find a nice girl, but don't believe she is interested in you in the beginning because your a nice guy. Like anywhere else in the world women will be attracted to guys who appear to have money or can improve their situation. Originally Posted by Travelling Gring
If you plan to be with several girls, for me the few bucks you are going to save is not worth deceiving girls into thinking you are looking for an honest relationship. I am much more comfortable laying the cards on the table and everyone knowing the true situation (it also allows for them to set you up with their friends).
In the end, whether you give them $40 now, or take them shopping its going to cost you the same. It all depends on what you are looking for. I believe the relevance and/or morality of paying or not is the same in both situations if you are planning on being with more than one girl.
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09-08-09 15:21 #2173TG, Originally Posted by Travelling Gring
You need to realize that you are 100% of this dispute. You started it, you kept it going, and you keep ranting when everyone else has moved on. You need to go on vacation.
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09-08-09 14:04 #2172This does not matter. There were very few tourists when I went in 2007, and that was before the recession. I have also gone to Campos were I was the only tourist. It doesn't matter how many tourists are in town. While there are not many tourists, there are also not many girls out and about. Originally Posted by Adinga
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09-08-09 13:57 #2171Nice report, Jonesie. Your last report was very consistent with my own experience with Cuba. Originally Posted by Jonesie
Conning the tourist is of course, a world-wide phenomenon, but the Cubans have perfected "conning the tourist" as an art form. They are experts at the game, and it takes a diligence to fend off the continual scams.
The government wages are super low and cheating your employer is the only way to survive. In Cuba, everything is outlawed. Pilfering from state stores, con games and grifting has become part of the national psyche of the cubano, but it is the fault of the economic system.
Pricing for all goods and services is inconsistent. In one town in Cuba I only wanted a plate of beans and rice. I was charged 50 centavos ( approximately 3 cents). If I return the next day, I will be charged 1 CUC (2500 centavos), the next day 1250 centavos. While all the mentioned prices are cheap, this is very stressful, because one is always at the mercy of the vendor's capriciousness. Cubans make up prices as the go along. This makes budgetting difficult. Cuban is not the place for the "bare bones" budget backpacker.
The entire tourist industry is owned by the government. This industry is the number one money earner of hard currency. A series of rules, regulations and decrees has given the government a monopoly on this industry and is designed to extract every last dollar of hard currency from the tourist's pockets. The cuban government has made strides towards letting some of this hard currency flow to ordinary Cuban, but of course they get a big piece of the action. If you want to rent lodging to a tourist, you better pay the monthly licensing fee of 200-400 CUC. If you want to haul tourists in a cab, you better have a special license or risk losing your cab. I do not entirely fault the vendors. Many of them would risk losing their house or car if they provide services to foreigners.
The government does not want tourists to mix it up with the locals. They want the tourist to go to an All Inclusive, ride in a tourist bus, stay in a tourist hotel and eat in tourist restaurants. When you go "off the reservation" be prepared to deal with inconvenience, hassle, inconsistent pricing and a lot of haggling.
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09-08-09 13:44 #2170I appreciate Jonesie's fotos. At first I was doubting Jonesie, but I NOW know why Jonesie was so successful: if one gives a girl 120CUC ($144 US) for a one nighter, I am sure that he will have cubanas flocking to his doorstep. Originally Posted by Travelling Gring
I believe Jonesie's success, and I am sure he may have left out the really tough parts. The rejections, the nos. Most girls wouldn't risk the loss of job, or the risk of prison time for even $500CUC. So the rejection is there. However at 120CUC, I am sure there is a lot less rejection.
I often hear the following rationale: "In the USA (or Europe) I would pay $300 for this girl, so what is a paltry $100? " The come back to this reasoning is: the monger is NOT in the US. Different customs for different lands.
Cuba used to be inexpensive. I believe those days are long over.
I can afford to overpay, but I do not want to overpay and feel like a fool. Plus, I do not want to drive up the prices for the rest of the guys (and for me).
While the average salary in Cuba may be very low, it does not tell the whole story. Cubans earn far more money on their side businesses, and by stealing goods from the government and reselling them on the black market.
Jonesie's report only confirms my own personal experience in Cuba. I now know why mongering is difficult and expensive in Cuba: A girl needs to make an extra $100 per month in Cuba. She can work one night at $100 CUC and make her nut, and this takes her off the market. I think Jonesie overpaid in some circumstances, but maybe not in others (Two girls for 120CUC for all nite seems to be the going rate).
I know what the Cubans pay for the wh0res, and it is significantly less, much less by an order of magnitude than what us Yumas pay. The main difference is that a girl will not go to prison for being a puta with a Cuban and she will go to prison for being a puta with a extranjero.
I will pay 30. 40 CUC for ST with a girl. (36-48 US). I am still paying more than the average cubano, because foreigners have to pay more to account for the increased risk to the girl. I just don't want to pay super ridiculously more like 120CUC.
I am generous, but I do that with clothes and medicines to poor families. Some 60 year abuela cannot go out and earn 120CUC a nite. While the amounts are trifling to me, the problem is that it ruins the market for the rest of the guys. It also ruins the market for me. This has been an ongoing complaint in Cuba. The girls can hold out for a month while waiting for the big fat sugar daddy to come along. In the meantime, if they don't work, they have the state provide their food, their medicine and health care and their shelter. These girls are only going out for extra money (mostly for their families). It's funny, but, in Cuba it seems that we give all the money to the relatively rich, $120CUC per nite Jinitera, but neglect the super poor. Cuba was promised to be a land of socialism, but all that winds up is great disparity in wealth.
I am all for generousity. Next time, give $40 CUC to the girl and give $80 CUC to some random poor family. Better yet, bring some medicines and clothing for the poor families.
Cuba has become a "Low Volume, High Price" place for P4P. The cuban attitude seems to be "maximize profit per transaction" rather than "maximize total profit." This is VERY much in line with communist-era Cuban ideology. They have plenty of time to wait out the customer and wear him down to make him pay a higher price. The fact that P4P is highly illegal also makes it a seller's market.
I hope Jonesie keeps posting. Maybe he can try to pay a little less and see what results he gets. This will be difficult, because news travels fast through Cuba. They all know he paid one girl $120 CUC, so the next ones in line will be expecting about the same.
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