Havana

[The Pooh]

If you are a pasty white middle-aged guy wearing shorts, sandals and a baseball cap walking alone on the Malecon o La Rampa, you stick out like a sore thumb and chances are a cop is hanging back a block watching "you" just to see what girls will speak to you. So of course girls are not going to want to say 2 words to guy like that because of the trouble they will get in.

So thats my problem.

[El Chico]

I know I'm couple days late with the Jonesie debate, but I felt like adding my 2 cents. I think everything he said is perfectly plausible. Obviously these are the highlights and not a minute by minute review of his trip. About a year ago I gave a store girl my number and she called me later as well.

I think an important distinction to be made is that there are different types of foreigners in Cuba. If you are a pasty white middle-aged guy wearing shorts, sandals and a baseball cap walking alone on the Malecon o La Rampa, you stick out like a sore thumb and chances are a cop is hanging back a block watching "you" just to see what girls will speak to you. So of course girls are not going to want to say 2 words to guy like that because of the trouble they will get in.

If you're a younger guy that speaks Spanish and sort of fits in (and I'm not saying pass for a Cuban) girls in regular situations (i.e. not in a place were prostitutes are known to be like La Rampa) will be willing to talk to you.

For me, the best way to meet non-pros is to meet that first regular girl and ask her if she has any friends and then ask those friends the same, and so on and so on. I don't even bother with pros anymore as there a plenty of regular girls interested if you can properly network.

[Jonesie]

What streets are La Canitas and Delerio Habanero on?

And again my compliments on the quality of your ladies, Jonesie. They're better even after a second look.

La Canitas is on the second floor of the Habana Libre hotel. Delerio Habanero is upstairs in the theatro nacional in plaza de revolucion.

[Deep Dive]

Yeah I remeber those days. There were chicks literally standing 5 feet from each other on the malecon, going price was 15-30 USD, and no convertion fee! Then after the pope visited. Think it was 2000, made a big stink about the puta scene. Castro cleaned it up overnight.

[El Cubanito]

TG,

I know you have comparable experience in Havana, but your approach comes across as pugnacious.

I don't chase girls down La Rampa or in Parque Central because I know the police presence makes it the worst place to talk to girls and expect them to talk back. If I do troll the Malecon, it's mostly for nostalgic purposes. You won't find a lot of that in my reports because I stopped doing it because it stopped working at the percentages I prefer.

I've often said it, and I'll say it again. You can drop me off in Centro or Habana Vieja and usually within an hour, I'll be in some shitty apartment with no running water, a ladder for stairs, a dog under the bed, or some other "only in Cuba" scenario fucking some hot chica for 30-40cuc. I do this because this is something only Cuba offers. You can't pull that off in Medellin or Costa Rica.

Guys who bash Cuba because they miss the Veradero/Special Period days, or because there's no termas should get over it. Cuba is still one of the best places on earth to monger if you're willing to play by Cuba's rules. Which means girls won't talk to you on the street if there are cops around. It also means more often than not, the girl will want to take a seperate taxi because she doesn't want to cut sugar cane for a couple of years for being in the car with you when you're pulled over.

Cuba has plenty wrong with it, but it has plenty right. I won't apologize for knowing how to get what I want within the system...

The Cuba you describe was the Cuba that I knew between 1999 to 2004. After 2004 the Cuba scene started to change. Yes, back in the days (between 1999 to 2004) I would go to one Bar right off the pier and I would be fucking some young thing for 50 to 60 CUC. Today, you can still get that action but again you have to know where to go and look. There are many many spot in Havana. I will not reveal them because I have my reasons as to why.

I do agree with you there is still alot of bollo to be had in Havana or in Cuba general, but it is not as easy as in back in the days.

Newbies, Cuba is still a fun place, but do not expect to go to the Rampa or El Malecon and pick up a chica from your Tourist Rental car. It is not going to happen. But if you look away from these spot into other neighborhood, there is plenty and I mean plenty of Bollo to be had.

El Cubanito

[Pelongera]

First Night: Candy Store closed

After we were finally finished being interrogated by Cuban Immigration, we were off to our casa and the weekend ahead.

After checking in at the casa, we headed out for a reliable option, only to find out the Candy Store had closed for remodeling. So we went to a late night disco called Delerio Habanero. It's basically a ***** house with music in the background.

........

After sending my mercado girl on her way with some well earned overtime pay, I took a nap, a shower, and went to my favorite place on earth. The Candy Store. I arrived at La Canitasa little early, it was only 11pm. Only a few girls were there and I decided to grab a bottle of water and a table.

What streets are La Canitas and Delerio Habanero on?

And again my compliments on the quality of your ladies, Jonesie. They're better even after a second look.

[El Grande]

You are misinformed about them needing separate taxis "more often than not". In Cuba it is 100% OK for a cubana to share a cab ride with you or to get into your private car. I have NEVER had a girl request a seperate taxi. In fact, sharing the car makes it easy to talk to the girl - because they wont bust a girl in car with a foreinger. I have never heard of the seperate taxi thing - that is silly.

Thats right for normal chicas. But following you in a separate taxi is a common practice of the the pros that are already known to the police, like for example the ones that hook in El Salon Rojo.

[Sexmetv]

TG,

I know you have comparable experience in Havana, but your approach comes across as pugnacious.

I will be in Havana this Thursday and yes I will complain about the heat. I'm glad to hear the economic reality has softened the women up a little always makes for a better time (god I'm so disgusted with myself for just saying that...ok not really lol!) that said, I love the GFE treatment I get in Havana so I always end up giving a little something extra.

I agree that the Medellin (which I will returning to in October) experience/approach is much different from the Cuba approach - in Medellin you fish with a big ass fishing trawler and in Cuba it's single fishing line...but you will catch fish in Cuba...anyhow not sure when you're in Havana next but maybe our paths will cross.

In any case you keep writing your reports, because I like to read them and just like everything else if some people don't find them credible they don't have to read them.

Cheers

[Member #4167]

And so I will definately consider doing what almost every single Cuba-veteran on these boards has done before me. Take my clothes and say adios muchachos. Just not worth it.

Hey TG - I value your contributions and take your experiences as 100% accurate and believable.

Cuba is like the elephant was described by the three blind men ("It's a rope, it's a tree, it's a leaf")

I went to Cuba several trips in mid 90's in the summer months. In mid 90's - I did very well - this is because I am well-dressed & well-mannered - therefore was very popular with the ladies. MY spanish sucked back then. Still, I could go to a new town and in 4 hours of mongering have a non-pro back into my CP. It took work, but the women who rejected me was because they had a boyfrriend. All of the island it was easy - I went to varadero, met a girl, took her to dinner and then back to my CP and fvcked her. She had to go home and I cried because she was embarrased to ask me for money. I bought her a ticket and gave her sizeable parting cash. Met a differnet girl the next day and repeated the process. My main problem was how to get rid of her. Usually I could bang a different girl every nite. Sometimes, you have to go to a new town in order to get rid of the ex. It just seemed so simple - meet a girl, take her to dinner, romance her and fvk her. You paid her and gifted her what you wanted. (Believe me this is not the least expensive way to do things, hookers are less expensive than GFs). I was generous and took trips all over the countryside and ate in pretty good restaurants. I am a fun guy I like to fish and dive and go on trips and explore things, and I am told that I am good company.

I returned for several trips recently in 07 08. and found that things have drastically changed. the jevas have become scared since the crackdown against foreigners with cubanas. What used to take me 4 hours now takes me 2-3 days. I have to work my game alot harder. I speak spanish pretty well, so that helps.

At one time I thought that this was because I was 10 years older and I might just be "too old" for the 18-25 age group. As an experiment, I decided to approach and date women who were 10 years older than my normal target set (18-25). they are even more difficult to bed, so I modified my range and went back to the 18-29 year olds.

the modern Cuba. If I find an attractive girl who is willing ot risk her freedom to be with me, then I am going to stick with her, because ti is so much of a pain in the ass to find another one. I treat them very well, and stick with them, unless they start turning into thieves or otherwise show that they consider me a chump - or they don't treat me as a firend.

The members of this forum, BeersTerry, TG, and many others have been extremely helpful in helping me learn the protocol. I even met Digital Curry in Holguin who really knows the game in Cuba. Despite what I learn, it seems that if I had a little more game, or I knew a few more tricks, or knew the best spots to go to I could get back to the easy-fcking days of cuba of the mid 90's. Well, it aint gonna happen. I have been all over the island, and most spots have just as much paranoia.

Of course, I can point to exceptions to every generalization that I just made. I have found good times in the most unpromising of places and I have found bad times in the "best" places. For example, in Havana 07-08, I only hooked up with girls from Malecon or La Rampa. (IN mid 90's Malecon would have 100's of cute women, nowadays, maybe you see 4 or 5, and 1 or less are unattached - u talk to her and the Lagra come up and ask for ID).

What is consistent about Cuba is that it is inconsistent.

There is no rhyme or reason in Cuba. there is no method to this madness. There is no secret. It is like mastering a Jedi Master light saber - it must be mastered blindfolded and it takes a lifetime.

Cuba is spotty. Some times u have a good time and other times u don't. Plain and simple.

PLus, the girls seem flakier. In the past if you had a date, the girl would be there. Now, you expect them to flake out on you.

I have come to expect one thing: I must lay the girl on the same day I meet her. If she has to go away to do something, than forget it, it will be difficult to reconnect. MAybe that's why aug/july are better months. These girls are on vacation as well, so it allows for no cock-blocking interruptions.

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[Bimbo Boy]

But it's all good. I get few to no thank yous for the info I provide, I rarely even get a thank you after I spend half an hour answering some strangers Cuba-requests in my mailbox. I can live without that even though I find the attitude in here often too selfish. 'Give me some info and fuck off' seems to be the mindset of many posters.

But I also have a temper and some pride, and if the result of me questionning the 'report of distinction' tag for such a report is that I have to take these insults, that's just not cool.

And so I will definately consider doing what almost every single Cuba-veteran on these boards has done before me. Take my clothes and say adios muchachos. Just not worth it.

Hello Travelling Gring.
I understand how you feel, as I have experienced the same.
My policy now is : I only give private info to people that have contributed positively to the forum.
It would be a loss if you leave us.
Kind regards.
B.B.

[Member #4167]

It is also a little more advantageous to go in August. Alot of Cubans do not work in August as it is too hot. They are at the beach, at the clubs and on the streets. Fun times can be had at Cuban beaches in August.

You know, BT y El Grande - I never considered that. In the 90's I went in July & August and I had a fantastic fvckin time. In 07/08 I went around Nov Feb. I never considered the time of the year to be a big factor.

[Member #4167]

When your a guy known for going to Cuba often, people ask you to bring back things. Cigars, Rum, Cigars, a Che T-shirt, Cigars, coffee, Cigars, Cuban art, and Cigars..

What about Cigars, do you bring those back too? he he

Jonesie - you are what they call in Cuba a "Mulo" - a "Mule" - do the Cuban Emigracion people ever give u a hard time?

[Member #4167]

I don't chase girls down La Rampa or in Parque Central because I know the police presence makes it the worst place to talk to girls and expect them to talk back. If I do troll the Malecon, it's mostly for nostalgic purposes. You won't find a lot of that in my reports because I stopped doing it because it stopped working at the percentages I prefer.

Agreed that La Rampa/Malecon are the pits for picking up chicks. I learned that the hard way. However the only scores I made were on the Malecon and off La Rampa.

I've often said it, and I'll say it again. You can drop me off in Centro or Habana Vieja and usually within an hour, I'll be in some shitty apartment with no running water, a ladder for stairs, a dog under the bed, or some other "only in Cuba" scenario fucking some hot chica for 30-40cuc. I do this because this is something only Cuba offers. You can't pull that off in Medellin or Costa Rica.

So true - you have to go outside the touristy areas to get better success.

I agree with you - this is very doable in Cuba. You may have to spend a 1/2 day approaching chicas to find one and then 1-2 hours time trying to find an illegal casa particular - after all this hassle, yes, you can land that kind of scenario. And you are right "only in Cuba" Its a big pain in the ass, but a fun and exciting adventure.

I miss the days when I went to Varadero, spent 1-2 hours looking found an 19 yo hottie, I hardly ever got rejection due to paranoia, and I invited her back to my casa particular and fucked her. None of this having to run around finding an illegal CP.

Having said that, when I went back in 07 08 - I had NO LUCK in Havana Vieja. Actually the only successes I had in La Habana were a 22yo non-pro hottie on the Malecon and a 24yo non-pro hottie I met on a side street off La Rampa.

Thinking there was too much paranoia - I went out to the Oriente. Holguin had paranoia, but not as bad as Habana. Not alot of chicas there maybe I saw 4 white girls who were clearly "on the market" - I met a non-pro and she was definetly scared. We had to go thru the rigamarole.

In other provinces: No girls in Bayamo nor in Cienfeugos nor Baracoa wanted anything to do with me. So it seems this is a country-wide paranoia with some cities more paranoid than others and different paranoia levels depending on day of week.

Guys who bash Cuba because they miss the Veradero/Special Period days, or because there's no termas should get over it. Cuba is still one of the best places on earth to monger if you're willing to play by Cuba's rules.

I am not fond of brothel/Terma action. I prefer the semi-pro/non-pro. That is why I Like Cuba. To my knowledge Cuba did NOT have brothels even in the Special Period. I liked Cuba in the 90's because so many normal everyday girls were available and you could score alot easier because there was no paranoia and you could bring them to your CP to fvck them - so it was convenient.

It also means more often than not, the girl will want to take a seperate taxi because she doesn't want to cut sugar cane for a couple of years for being in the car with you when you're pulled over.

You are misinformed about them needing separate taxis "more often than not". In Cuba it is 100% OK for a cubana to share a cab ride with you or to get into your private car. I have NEVER had a girl request a seperate taxi. In fact, sharing the car makes it easy to talk to the girl - because they wont bust a girl in car with a foreinger. I have never heard of the seperate taxi thing - that is silly.

[El Grande]

It is also a little more advantageous to go in August. Alot of Cubans do not work in August as it is too hot. They are at the beach, at the clubs and on the streets. Fun times can be had at Cuban beaches in August.

I had my best times in late July and August. In July/August the colleges and universities are off and the chicas are out to party!

Guys who bash Cuba because they miss the Veradero/Special Period days, or because there's no termas should get over it. Cuba is still one of the best places on earth to monger if you're willing to play by Cuba's rules. Which means girls won't talk to you on the street if there are cops around. It also means more often than not, the girl will want to take a seperate taxi because she doesn't want to cut sugar cane for a couple of years for being in the car with you when you're pulled over.

I agree with some other fellow mongers here, without knowing the signs and the going Cuba may appear like a dead fish. But well said! Sure, there are (almost) no pimped chicas with fake boobs, but if you know the dos and don'ts, speak some Spanish and above all don't monger where 100 yumas fight for a single average chica, Cuba is still the place to be.

[Deep Dive]

Adding my 2 cents to the accessability of chics in Cuba. While what jonesie says is very believable. I'm not convinced on the pricing. True there are an abundance of girls to be had. Everywhere, however it all depends on what type of girl you are interested in. I break them down into categories, totally professionals (pros), professional-amatuer (pro-am) and totally amatuer (am). If a mongerer goes to havana, all they have to do is go to any "tourist" club like la cecilia that jonesie mentioned. However, this club has only pros working there, and be prepared to start the negotiations process at 100cuc, they are more less hot. Off course the later the night goes, the lower the price is, by then all the hot ones are accounted for. The pro-am market is found on the streets of Cuba. If a chick gives you the eye on the street, she is more or less is interested for some fee. Now if you see a really hot chic, no eye contact, I can assure you she has a boyfriend/husband. That doesn't mean you shouldn't give it a try. But from my experience, they will blow you off. They probably have at least 10 guys hitting on them per day and they are already being taken care of by their boyfriend/husband, so what reason would they have to go for a tourist without transportation, living in a shitty casa particular, and risking the police. Now the amatuer market is kind of a dating process like anywhere else in the world, except in Cuba it takes a few dates to score. Off course the hotter the chick is, the more difficult the score becomes. I've been to other latin countries and still think that the quality, variety, you can have anything from black to Chinese and just overall sexuality is the best in Cuba. They just know how to fuck in bed. I think it's all that dancing that translates into incredible gyrations in the cama. And lastly, I don't think TG's posts at all sound like bickering, his posts are very informative and educational. Keep it up. Envious, you're going for a few months.

Good luck on the mongering!