Havana

[BeersTerry]

O.K.....my 2 cents

I've never had a bj with condom in cuba. Had plenty in Colombia with condom.
I have caught a terrible itch though.

Cops may or may not mess with you......but all they want is a bribe. Normally, they just hassle the chica as stated on various posts. For example, they hassle girls on the malecon because it is a protected territory, the chicas working it have paid the cops....that is unless they are walking with their cousin trying to earn a few extra dollars.

Cuba changes weekly. The interpretation of the law and the enforcement of the law varies from region to region and is dependent on the political climate. You might be fucking your brains out one week and have no chicas the next. Such is Cuba. That is why you can't go solely for the chicas.

[Smokers Rule]

Thanks for the reply. I really appreciate it (and Sean's). It seems like many of the people who love Cuba advise against going there, which is weird.

That said, here are my reactions:

Pussy is cheap. No. Pussy is expensive

80-100 CUC TLN is not expensive, and I have not read anywhere that girls cannot be had for that.

It's easy to find girls. No. It's a lifetime study to master the ways of Cuba. After 7-8 trips I am still trying to learn.

I trust you on this one. Though, if I don't start, I'll never learn.

9 out of 10 of the good looking girls will insist on condom for BJ.

This would be an absolute deal breaker for me. Can anyone confirm or deny this?

I would never ever take a trip to Cuba just to monger.

I'm not. I also want to see Cuba, and I'm getting bored with the other Latin American options.

I have actually on two occassions had police open the door to my elevator once I thought I was safe inside my building, and pull out the chica. Needless to say, I never saw these girls again.

Not to sound like a total douchebag, but I really don't care if the police mess with the girl. As long as they leave me alone, I'm cool. From what I've read, the police generally leave tourists alone and just deal harshly with the girls. Exception may be traffic cops.

I am reading your reply like your taking the advice given by Sean with a pinch of salt. Well, I actually read it like you don't really need advice anyways.

No! I don't mean to convey that at all. I need all the advice I can get, and I appreciate your thoughtful responses. It's nice that you're looking out for me

[Petrolero]

I have actually on two occassions had police open the door to my elevator once I thought I was safe inside my building, and pull out the chica. Needless to say, I never saw these girls again.

The cop was looking to get paid, the girl wasn't going to make any more money, until she paid him. Girls who pay off the cops get to work, those who don't pay, they don't work.

There was a huge outbreak of std's in Habana about 3-4 years ago.

[El Rey De Pollo]

Smokers Rule, do yourself a huge favor and read what Sean (and in part Beersterry) is writing. Because this is the truth on Cuba.

General misunderstandings when it comes to Cuba:

- Pussy is cheap. No. Pussy is expensive and the inflation rate on sex in Cuba beats any country I know of. Yes, you can have a girl for 20 cuc. But that is also possible in Canada, USA or France if you like super-ugly girls.

- It's easy to find girls. No. It's a lifetime study to master the ways of Cuba. After 7-8 trips I am still trying to learn.

- If you speak Spanish, you are home fee. No. If you speak Spanish AND know how to work things in Cuba, you are home free. That said, speaking Spanish definately is a better starting point than not speaking Spanish.

- There are no STD's in Cuba and everything is bareboned. No. While it's true that AIDS is low for a caribean country, other STD's are rampant. Cubans have no money and the only free hobby is sex. So what do they do? They fuck like rabbits with everyone on the block and they seldom go to the pharmacy first for expensive, lousy quality Chinese condoms. All sex is with protection and 9 out of 10 of the good looking girls will insist on condom for BJ.

That said, I love Cuba. But I go there for work and meet girls as a hobby on the side. I would never ever take a trip to Cuba just to monger. If you do, you will be shocked at the amount of hazzle you will have to go trough and the number of girls you will loose on the way home or in your entrance. I have actually on two occassions had police open the door to my elevator once I thought I was safe inside my building, and pull out the chica. Needless to say, I never saw these girls again.

This is only advice to save you time, money and dissapointment, because I am reading your reply like your taking the advice given by Sean with a pinch of salt. Well, I actually read it like you don't really need advice anyways.

But you do. You are thinking about heading to a country in which guys who have been there every year for the last 15 years still often need a week or two to get updated on the way things work.

That said, if you go: Best of luck.

[Member #4167]

The upper limit is not CUC$100. It is much higher. $100 is the starting asking price in many of the clubs.

Yep,

If you want cheap, you will find it in Peru, Ecuador.

True

[Member #4167]

First off, you won't find a TLN for $30, most hot girls (if you go to night clubs) will ask more like 40-60 up to 100 CUC in some cases. Once you met the girl in the club she won't come out with you (most regularly scheduled clubs will have heavy police presence outside),

I am in the SeanEZ camp. Yes, it IS possible to find TLN for $30/nite - but not in the clubs. to do so, you will have to spend many days looking. it is hard work. and they wont be model qualtiy.

cuba is NOT for easy mongering. The rewards are there but it is hard work.

Main question is: how good is your Spanish? Can you explain this or understand what she's trying to tell you when regaton or electronic music is blasting?

SO TRUE!

Rule #1: There is music blasting everywhere. It is hard to hear.

Rule #2: Cubans talk spanish much faster than other latins.

Rule #3: Even when asked to speak slowly, speak clearly, many cubans are unwilling or unable to do so. This is amazing for a country with so many tourists.

Rule #4: It is rare that a cuban speaks english (unless they work in tourism)

Once the working girl is at your place, she starts going through your stuff in the bathroom, spraying your cologne, looking for candy or food.

and they take your disposable razors. Cubans aren't straight-up thieves - it is just a "everything is shared" mentality.

Finally, everyone is about money money and money, nothing else.. honestly I got a little sick of that at the end.

so true.

One more thing: you will have to worry about renting an illegal casa for a few hours, or find one that will not register girls because many working girls will not want to register.

True.

Alternatively you could talk to pretty much any girl on the street, I would say that majority of girls are a fair game and would not mind making a quick buck away from their girlfriends' eyes,

I disagree about this tactic being easy or fruitful. My own experience proves this. As I spent most of my time going after normal girls. I am told I am a fairly attractive guy. And fairly personable. My experience shows that, Yes, if you talk to 100 normal chicas you can bag a very small percentage. Maybe 4-7 percent. You have to remember the following: 1) true, if you can get her alone in private, you have a great chance, but 2) There is always someone else around, 3) Everyone is watching and everyone gossips. Always listening in. It is very difficult to speak to a girl in private 4) not ALL cubanas are wh0res. Most are upstanding. 5) even the ones that are fair game. Many have husbands/boyfriends. Since everyone knows everyone elses business they are very reluctant to risk a sure thing for 30CUC.

[BeersTerry]

The upper limit is not CUC$100. It is much higher. $100 is the starting asking price in many of the clubs.

If you want cheap, you will find it in Peru, Ecuador.
You are right, many areas in Colombia are better than Bogota. I was lucky in that I had friends there but it can be hard if you don't know where you are going.

[It Travel]

Really a nice contribution but on ground of your two week experience (and all other friends here, I have some questions...

The price is, I suppose, for all nigters?
How do they behave with BBBJ (CIM or COF) and Anal?

Thanks

IT

Warning this is a report of a HAV firsttimer, so don't expect spectacular in depth information, it's meant to broaden the pattern and to affirm statements already made on the board; most important I agree:

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My thanks to Jackson and all of you guys contributing,

Suerte Smily

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[Smokers Rule]

1) My Spanish is great, thanks
2) The upper bound on asking prices for the hottest chicks is 100 CUC. That's telling, IMO.
3) I have a casa lined up with no problems with chicas.
4) My Colombia experience has been limited to Bogota,which was not so great. I believe you that other areas of Colombia may be better.

I understand about everyone being about money. I can imagine that would get old. Seems to me like Cuba is not the place for Joe Monger from New Jersey who doesn't know a lick of Spanish and does at much drinking as he does mongering when he's on vaca.

But then again, I'm not Joe Monger. I'll let you know how it goes.

First off, you won't find a TLN for $30, most hot girls (if you go to night clubs) will ask more like 40-60 up to 100 CUC in some cases. Once you met the girl in the club she won't come out with you (most regularly scheduled clubs will have heavy police presence outside), unless it's one of those "underground" parties that people get SMS about, they rotate locations. But those parties had most of the same working girls you would see at other places. So you would either get in your car and tell her to meet around the corner, or as happened once in our case they followed our taxi on motorbikes and then jumped in our taxi. Main question is: how good is your Spanish? Can you explain this or understand what she's trying to tell you when regaton or electronic music is blasting? Once the working girl is at your place, she starts going through your stuff in the bathroom, spraying your cologne, looking for candy or food. It's just something you have to be prepared to deal with among other things. Normal regular girls won't do that, that's how you can spot a jinitera, but to me they all seemed available and about money. Maybe there are good girls, but those are not the pretty ones, if you want the hot model looking girl, or a girl who likes to dress nice it's guaranteed she knows how to supplement her income.

Alternatively you could talk to pretty much any girl on the street, I would say that majority of girls are a fair game and would not mind making a quick buck away from their girlfriends' eyes, but then again on some nights when police presence is heavy, she will be scared to walk with you, they feel safer in the car with you. How good is your Spanish if you get stopped to convince the police that she is your girlfriend? If she is a jinetera forget about walking on the street with her. Finally, everyone is about money money and money, nothing else.. honestly I got a little sick of that at the end. One more thing: you will have to worry about renting an illegal casa for a few hours, or find one that will not register girls because many working girls will not want to register. You'll have to be prepared to deal with some shady characters, most will try to rip you off one way or another.. Again, how good is your Spanish?

With regards to the part of your question about other countries, lets say compare it to Colombia. In Colombia you can meet a working girl and she'll party with you and have a good time and dance with you all night and you don't have to worry about a thing, so in the end you go to Cuba for a cultural experience, a bit of hassle here and there, but not to save money.

[Sean EZ]

First off, you won't find a TLN for $30, most hot girls (if you go to night clubs) will ask more like 40-60 up to 100 CUC in some cases. Once you met the girl in the club she won't come out with you (most regularly scheduled clubs will have heavy police presence outside), unless it's one of those "underground" parties that people get SMS about, they rotate locations. But those parties had most of the same working girls you would see at other places. So you would either get in your car and tell her to meet around the corner, or as happened once in our case they followed our taxi on motorbikes and then jumped in our taxi. Main question is: how good is your Spanish? Can you explain this or understand what she's trying to tell you when regaton or electronic music is blasting? Once the working girl is at your place, she starts going through your stuff in the bathroom, spraying your cologne, looking for candy or food. It's just something you have to be prepared to deal with among other things. Normal regular girls won't do that, that's how you can spot a jinitera, but to me they all seemed available and about money. Maybe there are good girls, but those are not the pretty ones, if you want the hot model looking girl, or a girl who likes to dress nice it's guaranteed she knows how to supplement her income.

Alternatively you could talk to pretty much any girl on the street, I would say that majority of girls are a fair game and would not mind making a quick buck away from their girlfriends' eyes, but then again on some nights when police presence is heavy, she will be scared to walk with you, they feel safer in the car with you. How good is your Spanish if you get stopped to convince the police that she is your girlfriend? If she is a jinetera forget about walking on the street with her. Finally, everyone is about money money and money, nothing else.. honestly I got a little sick of that at the end. One more thing: you will have to worry about renting an illegal casa for a few hours, or find one that will not register girls because many working girls will not want to register. You'll have to be prepared to deal with some shady characters, most will try to rip you off one way or another.. Again, how good is your Spanish?

With regards to the part of your question about other countries, lets say compare it to Colombia. In Colombia you can meet a working girl and she'll party with you and have a good time and dance with you all night and you don't have to worry about a thing, so in the end you go to Cuba for a cultural experience, a bit of hassle here and there, but not to save money.

I've been lurking on the Cuba boards for a while. Going to make my first trip soon. It seems to me--and correct me if I'm wrong--that even the most "expensive" Cuban jinteras are cheap by Latin American standards. Tell me where on our side of the globe you can get TLN for the equivalent of $30. Plus Cubans are not almost all dark (like the DR), so there's variety.

Besides the obvious drawbacks (US customs, Cuban police), it seems to me that Cuba should be high on the list. A lot of people swear by places like Argentina or Costa Rica, but you couldn't get a TLN those places for less than $100.

Somebody please tell me what I'm missing...

[DriedUp]

In my personal and highly biased opinion, nothing compares to Cuba.

More variety, cleaner, pussy and everything else.

More daring. And yes cheaper. Not inconceivable to have an all nighter for 20. Not going to be easy, but yes can be found.

Usually, the farther east you go, out of havana and into the smaller towns, you will have nice ones, cheap and easy.

So many other reasons, having to do with the country. Which directly affects the quality. Enhances it.

Drawback: many and all are out for money, a ticket of the country. So I would not believe anything they say.

[Smokers Rule]

I've been lurking on the Cuba boards for a while. Going to make my first trip soon. It seems to me--and correct me if I'm wrong--that even the most "expensive" Cuban jinteras are cheap by Latin American standards. Tell me where on our side of the globe you can get TLN for the equivalent of $30. Plus Cubans are not almost all dark (like the DR), so there's variety.

Besides the obvious drawbacks (US customs, Cuban police), it seems to me that Cuba should be high on the list. A lot of people swear by places like Argentina or Costa Rica, but you couldn't get a TLN those places for less than $100.

Somebody please tell me what I'm missing...

[Member #4167]

Warning this is a report of a HAV firsttimer, so don't expect spectacular in depth information, it's meant to broaden the pattern and to affirm statements already made on the board; most important I agree:

Cuba is not a prime monger destination!

Great report, Smiley59! You wrote a very comprehensive report on the Havana mongering scene. Very detailed - I am impressed !

For a first-timer, it seems like you hit the right mongering spots! Vedado is a good area for cruising.

You did well with the owner of your Casa PArticular. That was a great compromise you struck to let you bring in girls

Questions:

1.) What was the general description of the women you bedded? Age? Race? Build?

2.) Got any fotos to post?

3.) Would you go back ?

[BeersTerry]

Yes, I too go to Havana for the culture, but stay for the cocksucking.

When you say Turquino on the second floor, do you mean the bar in the Habana Libre on the second floor where chicas hang out, or the disco at the top of the Habana Libre, where the really expensive chicas hang out ?

[Smily59]

Warning this is a report of a HAV firsttimer, so don't expect spectacular in depth information, it's meant to broaden the pattern and to affirm statements already made on the board; most important I agree:

Cuba is not a prime monger destination!

Well, this was quite clear when I went and the purpose of the trip was also culture, people and language, so I wasn't disappointed at all. For better understanding (I apreciate this in other reports as well) some background information: I'm a single European male 48 year old male with some Spanish skills, university degree, well travelled. I'm in shape, dress proportionately and follow the safety rules. This was a 2 week trip.

Casa:

Set up via email using sites mentioned on the board, some didn't bother to respond, always expect delays in communication. First night had to stay in another casa (unexpected? ) but finally got a nice legal apartment with private entrance. The owner was quite cool, didn't pay in advance, chicawise we agreed that I write down the carnet-information, just in case something goes wrong. Everything went smoothly, no only 1 chica rule, chicas stayed daytime, TLN, only 1 incident. Once (daytime) the dueno asked for carnet but obviously info wasn't written in the book. My impression was that the dueno didn't stay up all night if I had a chica TLN.

Chicas:

As already stated: Cuba isn't Thailand or Brasil, so no point and click. But you should always prepared for a surprise (so have a plan in advance).

Example: waiting for an appointment at cine Jara (next to Copelia) there was a chica obviously waiting as well. A little punishment in mind (for my date coming late) I started talking and we agreed to leave together if our dates don't show. This was the last time she came late.

Because of this experience I figured this might be a good pickup spot and started "waiting" without a date. Another day (at Jara) I was approached by 1 chica in this cute schoolgirl uniform asking for 1 CUC to go to Copelia with her 2 amigas. Being a gentlemen I invited them to have an icecream together – to bad they were only 17, but I enjoyed the afternoon anyway.

One night at Turquino (Hotel Havanna Libre 2nd floor) I met a couple and after some talking and dancing she started offering herself – too bad she wasn't attractive enough. In this and other clubs it seemed to be common to introduce touristas to the audience. Nice service and lot's of contacts afterwards.

In hindsight I wouldn't say Cubans are shy and reluctant to make contact, people notoriously asked for time and light (fosfero). People means everybody – male, female, pro non-pro, old young – and it wasn't always to sell cigars or other "things". Just keep the situation in mind and act accordingly. I mean, what's up if you're sitting in a bar and the chica next table asks you for a light when there is one lying on their table?

Also expect to be invited for some kind of fiesta, I. E. Birthday party. I got 4 invitations, but only went once with a chica I already knew. Call me a coward, but I wasn't up to go at night to a place in the outskirts of HAV with somebody I don't know at least a little.

I stayed with 5 chicas, all gfe (3 semi-pro, TLN 25-35 CUC) and 2 non-pro (internet). I tried to avoid the pros, but did some bargaining with them, I. E. 35 in Turquino; starting price 100.

One chica (semi-pro from Granma, not shaved) mentioned the famous "Up to you" – en espanol, this was the only one that had to be walked by a familiar to my casa.

Pick up places:

Well I stayed in Vedado, so most experience was there. So calle 23 was good, although I didn't like the Malecon esp. Next to 23 and the La Rampa area (lower part). My best results were between Copelia and Ave. Presidentes. In front of Copelia is La Rampita (small outdoor bar), next to cine Rivera (esq 23 & Ave. Presidentes) is an airconditioned bar, both worth to have a look at once in a while. Ave. Presidentes has the rockeros at night, but I guess I'm too old for these, but during day lot's of nurses (between 23 and the castle). Well no success with these, maybe because always too much colleagues present, maybe I should have asked my dueno to borrow me his dog for a walk.

Clubs: Turquino, Havanna Club, Sala Roja, sufficiently covered in the board, just keep in mind the 10-20 CUC cover, once went to a club far out, better atmosphere but was with a chica.

Policia:

Never had a problem, the chicas (esp. Internet) didn't seem to be afraid of them. We walked together day and night (Vieja, Centro, Vedado) and they never stopped us. Once with a semi-pro we took a taxi on her demand, but I don't know if she was anxious or just lazy. The only one, that seemed worried was the one from Granma. So, no hassle – and I'm glad for that; although there was a significant age gap and colour (sometimes). Well that's just my experience (maybe confirming the non-, semi-pro status) but I'm sure that all written in the board is true and the availability of chicas would be much better without police.

On the other hand I observed that carnets (of chicas without company) were checked at La Rampita and Playa del Este. At PDE was heavy police presence, but I saw other couples with parttime GF.

Final thought:

I enjoyed Cuba, but as already said, I didn't came for mongering only.

Expect the unexpected, have a plan ahead because sometimes you have to make a fast move. But if you have them on the hook and into conversation play it slow, decide wisely and don't be afraid to go home alone (I did 3 times). When they started to get pushy, I considered them jinetera and lost interest, but for those interested, this was when prices dropped to < 40.

My thanks to Jackson and all of you guys contributing,

Suerte Smily

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