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[Rebel Monger]

Now that was enlightening, . So let me guess, your quote is a reflection of some universal truth you have discovered?

Nope, it just came to mind after I read your BS. You don't seem to notice that your were the one using "canned stuff" of the socialist type. Nowhere in my post I was blaming fidel as you assumed, but you saw a Cuban posting and you had to use your "pink" line. YCFUBT pinko!

[Kalifornication]

Now that was enlightening, . So let me guess, your quote is a reflection of some universal truth you have discovered?

Methinks you should read before responding.

"A wise man speaks because he has something to say; a fool because he has to say something."

[Rebel Monger]

Rings of a typical Cuban American canned response, . Blame it on fidel!...

Methinks you should read before responding.

"A wise man speaks because he has something to say; a fool because he has to say something."

[Kalifornication]

Rings of a typical Cuban American canned response, . Blame it on fidel!

1. Crime exists everywhere, some places have more, some places have less.

2. Americans certainly did allot of damage post Spanish American War, . (e. G, Platt Amendment) , some folks who look at issues below the surface (systemic analysis) might argue that what you see today (if it is deemed negative) is the result of American actions and policies. Hey, but who cares about looking at issues in detail, takes far too much time and we are a lazy people right? The fast and dirty answer is so much easier to digest.

3. Compare Cuba to like countries. Cuba is an ISLAND! (a large island, but an island nonetheless). It is not a continent and should not be compared to the USA or other wealthy prosperous nations. Let's compare it to Haiti, Dominican Republic and the like. With all that is bad in Cuba (and I admit to its faults, as all our nations have their faults) , it does not take the mentally gifted to observe that the average Cuban is far far better off than the average Hatian or Dominican.

4. Cuba's infant mortality rate is lower than the USA. Cuba's life expectancy is longer than the USA. Hmmm?

5. Just my observation, in terms of equality of education and quality of education, Cuba's educational system is better than the USA.

6. I can hear the retort, . But they cannot travel, . They have that education but cannot use it for proft. I concede, there is a price they pay for their socialism. That price is that in exchange for their safety net and entitlements, they forego wages and any potential freedom that may bring.

Oh well. .

Wasn't the arrival of the FOREIGNERS (not just the Americans) who destroyed the island anyway? When I lived there (until 1980) , non-authorized Cubans couldn't socialize with the few tourists who visited the island and Cuba was so safe that there wasn't a place were you couldn't go at any time. Not matter what tourists say, Cuba today is not safe. There are plenty of non-solved crimes in Cuba today, that wasn't the case before.

Always the beginning is better, then it goes down. That happens everywhere. Stupid peoples (of all nationalities) arrive and mess the place for everybody, specially the natives. Women and men who mix with foreigners tend to acquire bad habits of the many seedy people going there. So, don't feel so bad about yourself for the better Cuba that you're missing, at least you can go somewhere else and start all over, the Cubans can't.

Americans won't destroy Cuba, fidel did that already.

[Rebel Monger]

Misinformation.

The arrival of Americans will destroy the country we both once knew and loved.

Wasn't the arrival of the FOREIGNERS (not just the Americans) who destroyed the island anyway? When I lived there (until 1980) , non-authorized Cubans couldn't socialize with the few tourists who visited the island and Cuba was so safe that there wasn't a place were you couldn't go at any time. Not matter what tourists say, Cuba today is not safe. There are plenty of non-solved crimes in Cuba today, that wasn't the case before.

Always the beginning is better, then it goes down. That happens everywhere. Stupid peoples (of all nationalities) arrive and mess the place for everybody, specially the natives. Women and men who mix with foreigners tend to acquire bad habits of the many seedy people going there. So, don't feel so bad about yourself for the better Cuba that you're missing, at least you can go somewhere else and start all over, the Cubans can't.

Americans won't destroy Cuba, fidel did that already.

[Digital Curry]

What happens if you bring her over to marry on a fiancée visa and then you do not marry? I am pretty sure she could stay because of the bizarre immigration laws that govern Cubans. Assuming she she remains in the USA legally, and does not return to Cuba, would you still be financially responsible (I. E. She applies for welfare, food stamps, section 8, etc.).

Does the financial responsibility end after five years? 10 years? When does financial responsibility end?

Under these circumstances, would the US government come after you to pay the bill? Please qualify your answer. Are you 100% sure- 98- 85% sure? Are you a lawyer? Are you married to a Cubana? Or is this just opinion? (are you speaking out of your buttocks?)

[Sabalo]

[QUOTE=Kngdf5; 1140237]You realize that she just needs to touch USA soil, and she gets a green card? Once she's in Mexico, it can't be too hard to touch USA soil.

Advice Please! (without the ridicule.)

Does anyone here have first-hand experience bringing a Cubana to the United States? I need to know the best method. What is quickest? What is cheapest? What is easiest? Most importantly, what are the pitfalls?

First question-do you want to marry the Cubana or just bring her to the US. If you don't want to marry her, assuming you have 8-10 grand to spend, the best way is to have an American even better a Cuban American marry them. The Cuban officials are cracking down on fake marriages (Especially in Ecuador-check the internet) so you or they will need to spend 6 months to a year in a relationship-emails, photos, trips documented and pane tickets etc. You will need to verify the relationship Then after your married you make application and it usually takes 4-6 months to get the visa. A friend of mine married a Cuban and it was completely legit so I am only familiar with that situation. The other option obviously carries some risk.

[Kngdf5]

You realize that she just needs to touch USA soil, and she gets a green card? Once she's in Mexico, it can't be too hard to touch USA soil.

[QUOTE=Digital Curry; 1133163]Advice Please! (without the ridicule.)

Does anyone here have first-hand experience bringing a Cubana to the United States? I need to know the best method. What is quickest? What is cheapest? What is easiest? Most importantly, what are the pitfalls?

[Digital Curry]

Adinga,

You are right. I couldn't agree more. I have spent a year and a half in Cuba since 2001. The party is over. It's been going downhill for a long time. There are brief pockets where good time can be found. But Cuba sucks now. The women have become snooty, and they ignore you in the street and they shoot you down with a look. I can get that in Los Angeles. It's like taking vacation at the DMV, except there's more police. Fuck it.

Misinformation.

Excellent information.

Your advice is spot on. I've been to Cuba 10 times within last 8 years and things are changing quickly.

Personally I'm done with Cuba as far as pussy is concerned. Tooo many hassles. The arrival of Americans will destroy the country we both once knew and loved.

[Adinga]

Misinformation.

Excellent information.

Your advice is spot on. I've been to Cuba 10 times within last 8 years and things are changing quickly.

Personally I'm done with Cuba as far as pussy is concerned. Tooo many hassles. The arrival of Americans will destroy the country we both once knew and loved.

Saludos

[Misinformation]

i am an american who has been to cuba 30+ times. my advice?

she wants to get out of cuba? arrange (and pay) for her to get an invitation to ecuador. letter of invitation will cost about $500-700 (she will find). then it is easy. she goes to ecuador. should you choose to pursue the relationship, do it from ecuador. at least from there you can conduct business. also she can get phony ecuador papers and travel back and forth importing and selling clothes, electronics, etc.

for usa visa, fiancee / marriage visa is no problem but it is fucking stupid imho. maybe cuba is different. when you sponsor someone on k1, you agree to marry within 90 days or she goes home. if she dashes, you are responsible for welfare, etc. for 10 years. i realize she is a good friend and you trust her and that's great, i just advise vigilance. however because she is cuban maybe there is some wet foot / dry foot deal? k1 fiancee visa is a sure thing and not soooo expensive ($3000 tops) but you must see a good lawyer and discuss the potential consequences.

boat, etc. forget this method. i guess it is $5, 000-$10, 000, they go to cancun. we read lots of stories of people being killed and extorted in mexico. it isn't a safe place. however this is mostly people from central america in the deserts near the us border. if she can get safely to mexico, maybe you just rent a car and drive to the us and at the border she requests asylum? again, you need advice from someone who knows what they are talking about (not me)

in my opinion, if you want to help her, help her get to ecuador. life in cuba is intolerable because of the absolute lack of opportunity. if you have $500 / mo coming in it is great place to live. many, many cubans now going back and forth to ecuador and importing clothes, electronics, etc....

if you prefer the fiancee / marriage visa route, talk to a good lawyer who knows this area. pay him for an hour of his time and find out what may be the consequences.

pm me. i'm in nyc and i have much experience in cuba.

advice please! (without the ridicule.)

does anyone here have first-hand experience bringing a cubana to the united states? i need to know the best method. what is quickest? what is cheapest? what is easiest? most importantly, what are the pitfalls?

i have known her eight years. i spent 18 months living in cuba. the girl has no "hermanos, primos ni tios." she stays at home, is punctual and tells the truth even when it's a sacrifice. i have tested her many times, and i always show up unannounced.

fiancée visa:?

marriage visa:?

tourist visa: impossible?

illegal speedboat: dangerous?

a fiancée visa is easier and faster to get than a marriage visa? yes or no? a marriage visa is more difficult to obtain than a fiancée visa and more expensive. correct?

[El Chico]

here's what I know "from locals"about getting out-but like everything in Cuba I'm not sure what the tourist mark up is on these rates. Like most guys who spend a lot of time in Cuba. I'm been pressured by a little princess that wants the chance at a better life. The price for seat on a boat going to Mexico is around $8000. 00-$10, 000. 00 This includes access through the border into the US.

A boat to Mexico is even worse. About 500 Cubans were kidnapped by Mexican cartels last year that came in that way. They are then ransomed to their families and I have seen stories in the press where they have been tortured and some never seen again. That would definitely be a HUGE mistake! Especially for a young girl who could find herself sold into prostitution.

[Sabalo]

much too risky. many people have died from those boats flipping over trying to get away from the coast guard. other times people get dropped off on some deserted key because the driver is afraid of getting caught.

i think the amount of people leaving that way has dropped way off. i wouldn't want to deal with the mafia types that run those things either.

here's what i know "from locals"about getting out-but like everything in cuba i'm not sure what the tourist mark up is on these rates. like most guys who spend a lot of time in cuba. i'm been pressured by a little princess that wants the chance at a better life. the price for seat on a boat going to mexico is around $8000. 00-$10, 000. 00 this includes access through the border into the us. a ride direct to florida is around $15, 000. 00. as mentioned by others. the biggest crooks in mexico and florida run these operations-and most are cubans. some successes i know personally and some brutal stories, i can honestly say-this is a huge gamble and not worth it. i actually fish in an area where a few of these speed boats pick up people and there are cops and marine boats everywhere. an arranged marriage to a cuban american is 8-10 grand, this includes a few flights to cuba so the marriage can be legitimized. still no gaurantee but way higher success rate. whatever you do"don't talk to anyone about in cuba", cubans are famous for been envious and turningeach other into the police. one other way to get out, protest against the castro government, spend 10 years in jail then make application to the us embassy. amazingly, the us actually brings cubans and there families to the us and pays for everything (flights etc) if you can prove pain and suffering and that you have worked against the regime. of course theres a line up of people every day competing for the same opportunity. thats cuba. and guys fill me in if i'm off base on any of this

[Blk Big Bootyluv]

Hey, I have to admit I'm mustering up my confidence to do Cuba. I've done Brazil, Asia, Colombia, Ecuador, Peru just fine. I love DR and I'm there 3 time a year for a month or more.

Now my Spanish is not flawless but I'm far from beginner if I had to quantify my Spanish level, I would say advanced but not native. I have Mexican accent when speaking Spanish but have begun developing a Dominican one.

So my question is, how to I handle the immigration / passport / customs thing in Cuba when I arrive? So my plan is to go to DR and stay for a week or so then take one of the many flights from Santo Domingo to Havana, I think they have 1, 3 times a week.

I know I will have to show my passport when I get to Cuba but how is that situation handled? Or what should I expect when landing and going through the immigration process?

Thanks

[El Chico]

Would it not be cheaper to buy a seat on a fast boat?

Once she sets foot on American soil, you are good to go. And so is she. Jaja

Much too risky. Many people have died from those boats flipping over trying to get away from the Coast Guard. Other times people get dropped off on some deserted key because the driver is afraid of getting caught.

I think the amount of people leaving that way has dropped way off. I wouldn't want to deal with the mafia types that run those things either.