Boca Chica

[MoltiSanti01]

Just going by your name, in Boca Chica, non sono tutti santi. LOL There are also a whole bunch of expat Italians which means great food and if you can chat them up, good pointers for women as well.

I tried the pasta at Gusto Tropical and it was nasty LOL where can I actually eat good? All the food on the strip was nasty.

Also did you guys ever experienced the bait and switch? My friend lost $400 last time due to 3 women saying they would do xxx for xxx pesos but then they change it up at the end.

[Tempoecorto]

Maybe I'm running into the wrong ones what is the average rate then?

I'll be there on the 10th not my first rodeo and I been to Boca Chica twice but my first and second time I didn't do much.

Just going by your name, in Boca Chica, non sono tutti santi. LOL There are also a whole bunch of expat Italians which means great food and if you can chat them up, good pointers for women as well.

[MoltiSanti01]

It never was 2,000 short time and most will go for a 1,000 lots of skanky slutty girls available.

Maybe I'm running into the wrong ones what is the average rate then?

I'll be there on the 10th not my first rodeo and I been to Boca Chica twice but my first and second time I didn't do much.

[Surfer500]

Hey,

What is the going rate in Boca Chica.

Is it still 2000 for ST and 3000 for TLN?

It never was 2,000 short time and most will go for a 1,000 lots of skanky slutty girls available.

[MoltiSanti01]

Hey,

What is the going rate in Boca Chica.

Is it still 2000 for ST and 3000 for TLN?

[Surfer500]

You need to change those bright red Speedos from saying "Pinch Me I'm Irish" to " I'm just a wimp". In Spanish of course.

The same cast of characters on this board including you, Mr. E, and Mr. Babble my favorite voice from the past! All the Chicas in Medellin are still asking for you and I don't now what to tell them anymore. It was tempting to do that Chica under the pier but the sight of a white guy humping a Chica might of attracted some unwanted attention! My bet is that Chica had fucked other guys under that pier and it had to of been a bareback cream pie special for those guys. The whole thing kind of shocked me when she said let's fuck right now under the pier.

If you had been there you could of pulled it off, your right, I totally wimped out and have gotten new Speedos!

[GrownMan1]

what a body with those firm be plus boobies bobbing around in the water.

She motioned me over so I came up to her and asked her what she was doing swimming naked. she said she was in town to make money and would do anything I wanted. That perked my interest as she said lets go to my hotel and have sex, she said we could have sex right now, in the water, under the pier.

I was tempted so I looked under the pier and thought about it decided to pass,

You need to change those bright red Speedos from saying "Pinch Me I'm Irish" to " I'm just a wimp". In Spanish of course.

[Wrx2005]

I feel you bro but guys also do the same thing. Having girls pictures to show to their boys back home to elevate their player status, having the girl meet them at the airport to impress people he may know there with his arm trophy, walking their new girl around Sosua holding hands to hopefully make himself more desirable etc. Seems petty to me but it's a game girls and guys play..

Gotcha! Trust though, my omission of guys doing it too, was not an oversight. I didn't include guys then, because at the time my focus was mostly on women.

[Wrx2005]

"I want to spread the news. That if it feels this good getting used. You just keep on using me. Until you use me up".

Mr. WRX,

True that. Everything you say. You are straight keeping it 100. But at what point does it become use? Due the very nature of the interactions that occur (exchange of money, increase in social status, younger women / older men, sex) isn't it up the individuals involved to determine if the relationship is mutually beneficial?

Yes, the chicas receive money (and it's spent) we receive sex (it's a release, sometimes remembered sometimes not) and in that we have the core nature of the exchange. The amount of money, the quality of the release / experience, and the process / methods / conditions by which it occurs changes. But isn't the DR a place where these most basic relationships are not criminalized at worst or socially demonized at best? And because of that the DR makes it onto the top ten list of destinations for sexual tourism in the world on a consistent basis. I'm not excluding myself. I'm a self declared SexPat!

We all pay the cost to be the boss (in time, money, faked emotional involvement). That's why I keep my eye on my Cost Per Orgasm (CPO). That particular concept keeps my perspective and gives me a objective measure of the relationship (straight up prostitution, a pseudo novia and everything in between). Unless someone is involved in some serious self deception I doubt if any of the veterans here are looking for true love or the idealized male female relationships promoted in their first world countries of origin. Even veteran pilots have to take a refresher course every two years and re-qualify. Your refresher on Dominican culture as it relates to personal relationships is appreciated here.

Simple answer before I take everything in. The basic premise of relationship or arrangement between a man and a woman is consensual and it is mutual (use). Nothing wrong with that. The complexity of such things is when deception and unwanted imbalances is introduced, and occurs in those relationships / arrangements (by either party or both concurrently).

[Wrx2005]

Short and to the point:

We are all "Grownmen" and we make our own decisions but we are also friends. No one man can impose his beliefs on any of us. Some men accept advice and let it marinate and continue to make choices they feel are right for themselves. Others don't want advice because they think they have figured everything out and if they haven't they are willing to learn the hard way.

I agree with this. But I will add to it. Its not always whether or not someone wants or doesn't want advice. In some instances the information offered although helpful where it belongs. May not be applicable in another context.

Those instances may include situations where the person offering advice / information has no clue or understanding of the other persons interests, motivations, concerns or course of action down the road. To simply conclude the person just doesn't want advice, or to say they just want to learn the hard way, is IMO doing the other person a disservice. There may be more to it. Their course of action or inaction. More than one way to execute, or more than one course of action to take.

At the very least, one may have decided to lay in the cut until they decide to act. If the person offering advice / information doesn't grasp that, that is where that input can seem like an imposition even though that was never the intent. You are correct that no one man can impose his beliefs on another. But realistically, it's not uncommon for a person offering advice / information to assume wrongly the other person wants to learn something the hard way, or figured everything out when that may not be the case at all. The other person in that instance may have another plan or time frame the advice / information giver hadn't considered.

All I am saying is that even though groups of guys are friends, its wise to understand this and how some folks may create subtle tension in their friendships unbeknownst to each other. In most cases the friendship won't be compromised, but there's nothing wrong with being aware of things that can (not will) create detachment. Grownmans sentiments shared regarding his initial asessement of Subcmdr comes to mind. There is no doubt in my mind that some judgments by all parties were made based on what was observed. In that instance it may not even be about the giving of advice or information. Instead it seemed more about not understanding certain behavior or being caught off guard by how it manifested itself. Is there a right or a wrong way to express oneself? Do you accept and adapt to what you see, or do you try to change what you see? At the very least we have an opinion on it. It doesnt just get swept under the rug because we are friends.

It's like the guy that took one trip to the DR five years ago and stayed in a resort but wants to tell a vet about the DR and not value his opinion. He calls the vet a " Know it all" and has resentment deep down inside because he is not that guy.

This example supports your POV perfectly. And I see how it applies for that example. But lets say the issue is one friend giving advice / information on how to handle a situation that is not so clear cut? The advice / information given may not be the appropriate response in that instance. If the guy decides to do something different than what his friend suggests, is he doing something the hard way? Is he showing he doesn't want advice?

No not really. The advice giver may be correct, or incorrect. But the indivdual himself has to make the decision and deal with the consequences. This does not automatically mean, the indivdual not taking advice thinks his buddy is a know it all. If that sentiment was shared, then something triggered it, not simply the giving of information / advice. Point being, some folks do take it personal or feel a certain kind of way, if they offer advice / information, and it is disregarded or ignored. And some folks react to how advice is given just as much as what is given. Simple situations may not matter. But there can be instances where one thinks his way is the right way and the only way. And the delivery may support that.

The bottom line is we are all friends with different styles and ways of thinking so it really shouldn't matter if he is being judgement or not understanding, what matters is that we call ourselves friends. I remember one time in Sosua at night when Mr E asked to drive my car at night to go visit a girl. It hurt me bad to say "no" but I don't even drive at night plus he had been drinking, so Mr E didn't get his feelings hurt or think a certain way about me, he said " well let's hit Classicos ".

Correct it shouldn't matter. Your example with Mr E is understood, and I can apply it accordingly. At the end of the day, it's all about fellowshipping. I hope you don't mind the length and the detour of this forum. I was in a posting mood today.

[SubCmdr]

You are likely still being used, just in a different way.

"I want to spread the news. That if it feels this good getting used. You just keep on using me. Until you use me up".

Mr. WRX,

True that. Everything you say. You are straight keeping it 100. But at what point does it become use? Due the very nature of the interactions that occur (exchange of money, increase in social status, younger women / older men, sex) isn't it up the individuals involved to determine if the relationship is mutually beneficial?

Yes, the chicas receive money (and it's spent) we receive sex (it's a release, sometimes remembered sometimes not) and in that we have the core nature of the exchange. The amount of money, the quality of the release / experience, and the process / methods / conditions by which it occurs changes. But isn't the DR a place where these most basic relationships are not criminalized at worst or socially demonized at best? And because of that the DR makes it onto the top ten list of destinations for sexual tourism in the world on a consistent basis. I'm not excluding myself. I'm a self declared SexPat!

We all pay the cost to be the boss (in time, money, faked emotional involvement). That's why I keep my eye on my Cost Per Orgasm (CPO). That particular concept keeps my perspective and gives me a objective measure of the relationship (straight up prostitution, a pseudo novia and everything in between). Unless someone is involved in some serious self deception I doubt if any of the veterans here are looking for true love or the idealized male female relationships promoted in their first world countries of origin. Even veteran pilots have to take a refresher course every two years and re-qualify. Your refresher on Dominican culture as it relates to personal relationships is appreciated here.

[Mr Gogo]

BTW everywhere where I talked about economic benefits being a major attraction for local women, also add social status to the equation. We all should know the influence social status plays in attracting females. Women love to elevate their own status by associating with someone or something that masses would value. The guy owns a car. The guy stays in nice places. The guy spends a lot of money. Other chicks are after him to. He's much older. His occupation., he's a foreigner, he's white. he's black, he's german, he's whatever. Etc etc etc.

The point is, fellas should not be overly impressed just because a female doesn't express interest in receiving tangible benefits from you. Or acts passive in that regard, like it doesn't matter. That female may be using your presence and influence simply to elevate her status. At the very least, enjoying your pursuit, while she gives her blessing of approval. Meanwhile she may be securing her benefits from another guy or guys. In other words, just because a woman acts like she doesn't want anything from you, doesn't mean she is a good girl. You are likely still being used, just in a different way.

I feel you bro but guys also do the same thing. Having girls pictures to show to their boys back home to elevate their player status, having the girl meet them at the airport to impress people he may know there with his arm trophy, walking their new girl around Sosua holding hands to hopefully make himself more desirable etc. Seems petty to me but it's a game girls and guys play.

Personally I don't trust any women and know it's just a matter of time before they do something stupid so I wait on it and always have a backup plan. I was just telling Savepros how my La Vega girl tried to slow roll me but reverted to true Dominican form. She never asked for me to send money for the first three months as I explained that I would treat her correct when I visit. Everything was cool then the money request came, then the " My mother has cancer" scheme came with sad pictures of her and her mother, then the" baby in the hospital"routine came with pictures. I was laughing the whole time. BQ put it in perspective when he said " only let the ones who don't ask for shit get close to you, but don't trust them".

Your posts WRX are thought provoking and it's all healthy for us to maintain some kind of sanity and keep our DR fantasies in check. Good job.

[Wrx2005]

BTW everywhere where I talked about economic benefits being a major attraction for local women, also add social status to the equation. We all should know the influence social status plays in attracting females. Women love to elevate their own status by associating with someone or something that masses would value. The guy owns a car. The guy stays in nice places. The guy spends a lot of money. Other chicks are after him to. He's much older. His occupation., he's a foreigner, he's white. he's black, he's german, he's whatever. Etc etc etc.

The point is, fellas should not be overly impressed just because a female doesn't express interest in receiving tangible benefits from you. Or acts passive in that regard, like it doesn't matter. That female may be using your presence and influence simply to elevate her status. At the very least, enjoying your pursuit, while she gives her blessing of approval. Meanwhile she may be securing her benefits from another guy or guys. In other words, just because a woman acts like she doesn't want anything from you, doesn't mean she is a good girl. You are likely still being used, just in a different way.

[Wrx2005]

I'm not into Dominican culture on that level. Most of us here aren't. With the exception of a few who live in the Dr and understand that they have to be familiar with the culture to live there. Guess what the Dominican girls aren't really interested in us culture. Only to the culture that's relevant to them. Such as Hip Hop. They are not particular into the American guy. I've never had a chica asked me what was my favorite food or favorite color or favorite singer. She's not interested in the Rolling Stones Marvin Gaye Lynyrd Skynyrd Lauryn Hill or the Motown sound. A Dominican Chico we'll always have the upper hand on us because they are part of the Chica's culture which she understands and is also committed. IMHO The most you should have out of a Dominican chica long-term is an understanding friendship. Or as I call it Alianza a largo plazo. A long-term Alliance. When I recruit a chica for the All-Star team this is what I explained to her we may have. Chicas respect men that know what they want. When I hit an area and I model myself after Olskool and Tomjacking and dealing with chica.(Both of whom I've never met). Remember the good time we had - don't call me I'll call you. When you see me again and I Choose You It's On Again.

My observations are in accord. Most of my interactions with locals, Haitianas and Dominicanas over several years, none ever tried to sincerely get to know me. Same reports from many guys I've interviewed. They have admitted and reported that none of their women really sought to get to know them as individuals either. Them asking if you have a GF, a spouse or children, or "where you from?" that shit don't count. Thats just typical questioning designed to measure and size you up by your responses. To try to appear interested. Meanwhile there is a whole wealth of real information an individual could inquire, if they really were interested in you as a person.

One way to know it's fake, is because we do the same fucking thing. Ask them about shit we don't even care about. Because of where we come from, we might be a lot better at pretending we care and ask them things that they would never think to ask about us. But it doesn't mean we are any more sincere than they are. What we really want, is whatever goal we are after. Everything else leading up to it, is just social fluff. Everything I'm saying also applies to the local males too. The ones giving you dap and hugs when they see you. Acting all happy. The stuff guys ask is generally an attempt to learn as much as they can from you, in order to use that information for their own purposes.

There are a plethora of reasons behind their interest and inquires. None of which has to be about getting to know you because they think of you as a friend. We pretend friendship with those guys too. What they can't get from us in tangibles, they benefit by assimilating information by being around us. In many instances, using what they learn to strengthen their hustle. Especially trying to control and manage chicas. "Look I know this and that about these guys that come here. This is what you can do to get more from them" That practice is currency which they use to support chicas and chicas in turn support them, financially, bear children for them and more.

Wrs wrote excellently one post some truth of how Dominican women perceived us. They don't need us to help them with their career choices. They don't need us for emotional security. They don't need us to help raise their children. We are the walking ATM machines to them. And let's not fool ourselves. 21 year old chicas aren't interested in 20 plus year old foreigners unless he has money. There culture even makes it acceptable for her to have dealings with older men for financial benefit. To commit to yourself anything other than that will lead to more money more money more money out of your pocket. Forties fifties and sixties yrs old are not the new twenties. But for a few pesos you get your freak on.

I wrote a while back, there are three separate entities that have influence on chicas lives.

Number one applies to those that actually interact and value their existence in their lives. As a opposed to those who do not want or care for an association. 1) The main role chicas see in foreigners, expats non local men is for economic reasons, appropriation and transference of resources and materialism. Beyond that, except for feigning love and loyalty, these men have no other value to these women. See the problem with enough guys, they can't seem to grasp that a woman can fake love, fake liking, fake loyalty for decades and not really give a fuck about her benefactor. And if they do seem to care, its only in relation to the benefits they derive from that relationship / arrangement. No relationship, no benefits, then theres no association.

The woman is ghost. The main reason IMO that a chica has a problem with a dude fucking another chica, is because they feel their benefits are being subdivided by the competetion. They arent concerned about the sex itself. They don't want the competition getting benefits they feel entiltled to, exclusively. As far as she is concerned, you aint nothing but a carcass. What you represent to her is your ability to provide economic benefits, that's the main value you possess. Some cats don't even want to know the truth. They don't want the red pill of reality, they are stuck on the fantasy of the blue pill.

2) The local man is the one who fathers their children. He's the one they are culturally and spiritually intune with. They can almost do no wrong. Every woman that has told me they do not like their local men, usually had at least one to 6 children. All by local men. These women are lying fellas. Stop believing shit women want you to believe. If a woman tells me something, I let that shit go in one ear and out the other. That goes especially anything a p4 p chica says to me. Like a chica will say, "I'm leaving tomorrow for Santo Domingo". First off, I don't give a fuck what you are doing, or who you are doing. I don't need to know anything about your plans. But fellas, very often these muggs aint going anywhere,

They tell guys stuff like that trying to get the guy to feel he needs to get with her before she bounces. In enough instances, its a lie. She will be there today, tomorrow and later in the week. Another is one who stays in touch, and tells you she wants to see you. She wants to know when you are coming to the DR. She tells you she wants to hook up. But what she is doing is organizing her contacts so she can work them all when she gets there. So if a chica acts like she is asking so she can prep just for your arrival, don't fall for that shit. She's working on a roster of muggs she can connect with. She gets with me the expat, and then with you. Or vice versa.

I know dagoone well some chica aint coming all the way to Sosua just to fuck me. And when she's not fucking me, she's supposedly only with family. What a joke. Anyway,. Chicas will always be connected to their local men. You do not need to fill the role of father, a better man, a better boyfriend, or a better husband. IMO a guy is setting himself up to be exploited.

3) Last but most important. THE FAMILY. Aside from economics, the local chicas family is the most important support system for them. The family supports low expectations. It supports p4 p, it supports imbalanced arangements between men and women (for those who do not want to call it prosttituition). The family babysits children while a woman goes out to work a normal gig, go to school or to hustle her body. The family ignores, overlooks and quietly condones [CodeWord128] and arrangements where females in the family are having sex with older men, and family members.

In summary, the family is one of the most important entities a female can fall back on if she needs to. There is comfort there. Whereas dealing with a foreigner / expat there is uncertainty because we can't be trusted to support them indefinitely. Another influence (another woman, a man getting tired of the woman, man coming to his senses etc) can swipe away their benefits in an instant. But the family? Family support is indefinite. Its value goes far beyond our thousands and millions of dollars. Thats our fortune, not theirs. But there is no denying the fortune the local family brings to the table. And typically a female is demonstrably secure within it's influence. Your money, your benefit power only goes so far.

Its presumed it cant be trusted to last. But to a female it is worth sucking you dry ( literally and figurately ) until the well runs dry. Once there is no juice ( money/benefits etc ) there is no use ( for you ). The family on the other hand, and this includes the local community, those relatioships and influence is everlasting. Locals stick with locals above all. If you think your money and benefits trumps a locals family influence, you could be making a big mistake in judgement.

[Mr Gogo]

Short and to the point:

We are all "Grownmen" and we make our own decisions but we are also friends. No one man can impose his beliefs on any of us. Some men accept advice and let it marinate and continue to make choices they feel are right for themselves. Others don't want advice because they think they have figured everything out and if they haven't they are willing to learn the hard way. It's like the guy that took one trip to the DR five years ago and stayed in a resort but wants to tell a vet about the DR and not value his opinion. He calls the vet a " Know it all" and has resentment deep down inside because he is not that guy. The bottom line is we are all friends with different styles and ways of thinking so it really shouldn't matter if he is being judgement or not understanding, what matters is that we call ourselves friends. I remember one time in Sosua at night when Mr E asked to drive my car at night to go visit a girl. It hurt me bad to say "no" but I don't even drive at night plus he had been drinking, so Mr E didn't get his feelings hurt or think a certain way about me, he said " well let's hit Classicos ".