Puerto Plata

[Sports Men Club]

I want to thank everyone for there input, and great advice it will help in developing the right atmosphere

As far as the legal issues and bribes and competing with the Dominicans although it is a legitimate concern, I have been running businesses in South America for almost 10 years and again it’s a culture and easy to maneuver through once you under stand it.

As far as competing with the locals that’s also a process that you have to understand I own and run business in Mexico and Columbia, two of the most corrupt environments you could possibly deal with, and it’s amazing what can be accomplished when you bring in a small investor such as a judge, or federally it’s amazing how eager they are to protect there investment without greasing too many palms, for 6 years now I have a judge as a small investor (less than 3%) in one of my business in Chapala Mexico and in that time I have paid out less than a tenth of a percent of my profits in donations to local officials. Early on I tried it on my own and paid out 1/3 of my profit to get a building project completed in the Monterrey Mexico. It was an expensive lesson to learn, but in ten years I have learned a lot about the culture and how to manage through the process effectively.

Thanks again for your input it will be a lot of help.

SavePros321 I will also be back down in October we will be a BB for 2 days and then staying at a large house on the beach, maybe, you can help us with our research.

[MS Clive]

Hello, I have been reading these boards for a long time, over the past year I have meet several of you at BB including my most recent trip last week I meet a member from PA and NY more on that later.

While I have been enjoying my trips to the DR, I have been working on my business plan to open a facility in the DR that will rival your other options. I know what I like and dislike but more importantly I wanted to get some input from members here and find out what are some of there bells and whistles I should add to enhance the experience.

Here are some of the things I would like to learn.

Do you like the pay as you go model or would you rather have an all inclusive price?

Pay as you go - big time. I am a single shot per night guy. And often single shot per day. So all inclusive is quite wasteful for my budget.

If you don’t want every thing all inclusive what if your drinks and food where inclusive and you paid extra for your Entertainment?

Food inclusive. Drinks extra (prevents drunk, loud people and keeps costs low). Entertainment definitely extra.

Would you rather be in a private exclusive setting like a house instead of a hotel?
Hotel is ok with max rooms 20-30. House ok with rooms > 10.

Would you pay a little more for a higher quality companion $60 Short $100 Long?

Definitely. Quality is impt. $60 is still way lesser than $250 in the US.

Are other activates important to you while you’re in the DR, fishing, golf etc.?
Not outdoors activities but some time of the day or weekend that we get to meet ladies and like-minded folks (mongers) e.g. BB's bikini contest gets the mood going. Poolside parties or other harmless fun creates the right environment.

Any input you can give me on what you would like to see in this facility would be appreciated I want to make sure I create an environment we will all enjoy.

Some important things (must haves):

(a) Good free breakfast for guys and their gals.

(b) Laundry facility.

(c) Manager/concierge that can arrange cabs, tourism, money exchange, etc to get our minds off the travel arrangements part.

(d) A good bouncer/security to keep things in check - e.g. check cedula of girls brought into the rooms.

(e) Proximity to regular places such as drugstores, ATM, a quick burger, condoms, toothpaste, mall, etc.

(f) Safe, dependable arrangements for pickup from airport (paid is ok).

(g) All adhoc charges must be made to room tab. Helps keep the mind off the constant currency conversion.

(h) Access to a bunch of dependable taxi guys for hire 3-8 hrs on-demand.

(i) Wi-fi access.

(j) Safe in-room or on-site.

(k) Clean drinking water (bottles or on tap) but very reliable.

(l) Good online reservation. Not like the BB crap.

And the nice-to-haves:

(a) Price minimum for house girls. Helps the girls relax as they do not need to negotiate and attracts the best because they then know what they would earn before the enter the door. Hence most of the deal is done before they enter the resort. Reduces the unpleasantness (if any) in the transaction.

(b) A price ceiling also protects both. Not necessary if the girl deserves it and the guy is willing to pay higher.

(c) Fridge in room for the borachas - increases sales for hotel too.

(d) Cellphone rental in hotel.

(e) Tourism with house girls. Group travel with amigas can be fun.

(f) Map print out of area. map printout of city with attractions ans bad areas highlighted.

[Twice Divorced]

So I guess they are pretty much looking to have their palms "greased" like Sports Men Club says:

Getting a business off the ground that will compete with a Dominican business is easy. Sure, greasing a few palms is about all it takes. Keeping that business, once it's established and competing with Dominican businesses, is another story.

[Twice Divorced]

The pressure is more "legal" in nature.

It takes the form of inspections, visits by police and officials, etc.
One also sees "exposee" article in local press about trafficking in young Dominicanas to sex tourists, etc, (even though the Dominican clubs/brothels offer exactly the same thing, but usually of poorer quality).

BB has come under such legal pressures on numerous occasions, but I believe John, the owner's lawyer earns his fees.
This is the reason it tries to keep relatively low-profile, and dropped the photo gallery of girls on its website that it used to have.
No ammunition for the corrupt cops and politicians.

I couldn't have explained it better myself, although I suspect there is "Dominican" pressure behind the legal pressure, if you know what I mean.

[Twice Divorced]

Sounds like there may be a bit of strong-arming going on. Have you heard of such incidents of people getting "muscled" out of their businesses by Dominicans?

No, I haven't. But, I think you'd be a fool to be "strong-armed" and then advertise the fact that you've been strong-armed, especially if you intend to continue to reside here.

All I've said is that there have been P4P businesses that were previously owned by gringos and are now owned by Dominicans. As I said in my previous post, it could be pure coincidence.

[SavePros321]

Same with the women. Does a “10” perform twice as well as a “5”?
Point here is that I (my taste) would rather have a flock of pretty, sweet, enthusiastic, girls who are fun in bed than model look-a-likes who cost twice as much, and are duds.

You know, you bring up an interesting point. I've dated "model-type" broads here in the US and most of them are "flat-backers" or "starfish." I guess most pretty girls think they are too "cute" to give head, reverse cowgirl, anal, etc. Most are like "just do it and get it over with already so you can take me shopping and buy me shit."

It's probably the same reason why Hugh Grant cheated on Elizabeth Hurley with a hooker. Liz probably wasn't down for doing the "nasty." She probably thinks she's too cute to give head or have her hair pulled while doing doggy style. So he said "fuck you" to the 10 and went out to find a more tolerant 5. Too bad he got arrested and his business plastered on the front page.

All in all, one could only hope to happen upon a 10 that was a pretty, sweet, enthusiastic, girl who is fun in bed.

[Yanqui69]

Hello, I have been reading these boards for a long time, over the past year I have meet several of you at BB including my most recent trip last week I meet a member from PA and NY more on that later.

While I have been enjoying my trips to the DR, I have been working on my business plan to open a facility in the DR that will rival your other options. I know what I like and dislike but more importantly I wanted to get some input from members here and find out what are some of there bells and whistles I should add to enhance the experience.

Here are some of the things I would like to learn.

Do you like the pay as you go model or would you rather have an all inclusive price?

If you don’t want every thing all inclusive what if your drinks and food where inclusive and you paid extra for your Entertainment?

Would you rather be in a private exclusive setting like a house instead of a hotel?

Would you pay a little more for a higher quality companion $60 Short $100 Long?

Are other activates important to you while you’re in the DR, fishing, golf etc.?

Any input you can give me on what you would like to see in this facility would be appreciated I want to make sure I create an environment we will all enjoy.

"Do you like the pay as you go model or would you rather have an all inclusive price?"

If both options could not be offered, I suggest pay as you go.
Unless the all-inclusive price is extremely reasonable, one has to eat like a pig or drink like a fish to get value from it.
I’d rather not spend my time too drunk or full to bed women.

"If you don’t want every thing all inclusive what if your drinks and food where inclusive and you paid extra for your Entertainment?"

Likewise for women. The devil is in the details.
MRR offers a girl for four hours. With some exceptions, I would prefer possibly two girls for two hours, - or what about a third girl later/overnight or a threesome?
Some guys want more, some less, so how does one work that out?
Best to allow clients to pay as they go.

"Would you rather be in a private exclusive setting like a house instead of a hotel?"

Not significant. The surroundings should be clean, laid-back, secure, private, etc., with amenities like Jacuzzi, pool, etc.
“Exclusive” is usually synonymous with “expensive”, - forget it.
If I want mink-covered toilet seats, I’d go to Vikings, Oxygen, etc.

"Would you pay a little more for a higher quality companion $60 Short $100 Long?"

Maybe, but not much more. Men go to the DR because sex is less expensive.
Otherwise, they’d go to Asia, Brazil, Colombia, etc.

"Are other activates important to you while you’re in the DR, fishing, golf etc?"

I have occasionally seen guests leave the site to play golf, etc, -but not often.
Suggest golf, horseback trips, maybe short cruises, with swim/snorkeling, - but things one might take a girl/date along.

The high-end thousand-dollar-a-day venues are covered.
Focus on good value for the money, in terms of room, food/drink, women, etc. Not luxurious.
Keep the filet mignon and Egyptian cotton sheets if it means another $50-$100 a day.
Same with the women. Does a “10” perform twice as well as a “5”?
Point here is that I (my taste) would rather have a flock of pretty, sweet, enthusiastic, girls who are fun in bed than model look-a-likes who cost twice as much, and are duds.

I would further counsel that the employees be Dominicans, but the managers/supervisors not be. You need service-oriented, attention to detail types that are hard to find in the DR.
Blackbeards, as you stated, is not a bad model, with some tweaking regarding physical plant (constant electricity, AC, etc). Quality control environment with the girls is best handled by another Dominican woman.
And have a very good lawyer, because unless you bribe the right people constantly, you’ll need one.

[SavePros321]

I can understand you skepticism, but please understand, I have the funds for this project and would not consider outside investors. What I’m trying to accomplish is to make sure I create an environment better than any thing else currently available in the DR.

So I thought that with some input from the members it would help me accomplish creating that perfect environment. All I’m really asking is what you like dislike and what would you add to enhance your experience in the DR.

Thanks

Well I guess I could chip in for your research a bit. My trip isn't until October, but I still know what I would/would not like:

Do you like the pay as you go model or would you rather have an all inclusive price?

I think I would prefer "pay as you go"

If you don’t want every thing all inclusive what if your drinks and food where inclusive and you paid extra for your Entertainment?

Sounds good. Looks like you are speaking of a model that Mustang Ranch Resort uses. I think they have packages that include room and 3 meals (someone correct me if I am wrong).

You could have the room/meals all inclusive, and the "entertainment" a separate thing one would have to negotiate on his own, such as at Blackbeard's.

Would you rather be in a private exclusive setting like a house instead of a hotel?

When you say "House" are you talking about something like the "Medellin Mansion" in Columbia? Privacy is my thing. So long as there are enough rooms for one to have is own private one and not have to share it with other, be it hotel or house.

Would you pay a little more for a higher quality companion $60 Short $100 Long?

I don't know how the pricing structure would be set, but I would definitely dish out a little more for a perfect 10.

Are other activates important to you while you’re in the DR, fishing, golf etc.?

Not really. I am just there to fuck. Though cable, a DVD player, or a PS3 might help to pass the time between lays (and recovery)

You could keep a library of DVD's for people to check out at the front desk. Keep up with who has what by having people sign for the DVD's upon check out and return of them. Probably will be very useful for guys who negotiate TLN with chica. Gives us yanks a opportunity to show them what REAL American cinema looks like (just make sure the DVD's have Spanish subtitle options, lol).

Hope this helps!

[SavePros321]

The pressure is more "legal" in nature.

It takes the form of inspections, visits by police and officials, etc.

So I guess they are pretty much looking to have their palms "greased" like Sports Men Club says:

I have been doing business through out South America for over 10 years. When it comes to officials and getting through a process its part of the culture to make some payments to get it expedited.

[Yanqui69]

Professor1

I am considering reaching Puerto Plata at 10-11 pm. You mentioned you stayed not at BB but at a hotel nearby. I might need to book it for 2 nights.

Would you recommend it?
Is it girl-friendly?
What is it called?
How much for the night?

Thanks,

Sanjay.

MSC/Sanjay,

How do you plan to get to PP? I presume by taxi?

If neither you nor the Santiago driver are familiar with the route to Costambar, you could spend your night and budget looking for the location.

Again, I highly recommend the Harborview Condos for the first night or two.
Billy, the owner can coordinate where the taxi can drop you off and he can pick you up.
Check his website, call/email him and explain your situation. You will get service you won't see from any other place.
He can show you around, maybe take you around before heading to the condo, and if necesary, fix you up to have a date waiting for you.

Trust me on this one.

[Yanqui69]

Sounds like there may be a bit of strong-arming going on. Have you heard of such incidents of people getting "muscled" out of their businesses by Dominicans?

The pressure is more "legal" in nature.

It takes the form of inspections, visits by police and officials, etc.
One also sees "exposee" article in local press about trafficking in young Dominicanas to sex tourists, etc, (even though the Dominican clubs/brothels offer exactly the same thing, but usually of poorer quality).

BB has come under such legal pressures on numerous occasions, but I believe John, the owner's lawyer earns his fees.
This is the reason it tries to keep relatively low-profile, and dropped the photo gallery of girls on its website that it used to have.
No ammunition for the corrupt cops and politicians.

[Yanqui69]

I have a question about partaking in a happy hour situation. Tell me if the guy is expected to pay both girls the agreed-upon rate, e.g., US$35/each, or if the girls split the rate, e.g., US$35 for the pair.

When given the option, I declined. I really was not attracted to the other girl, even though she was a real sweetheart. I simply stated that I like being with only one girl at a time.

Thanks in advance.

As far as I am aware, one pays each of the girls the standard fee, but one advantage is that one expects to have twice the time as a 3-some.
As always, this is stated and agreed to in advance.

[Sports Men Club]

Sounds like there may be a bit of strong-arming going on. Have you heard of such incidents of people getting "muscled" out of their businesses by Dominicans?

I have been doing business through out South America for over 10 years. When it comes to officials and getting through a process its part of the culture to make some payments to get it expedited.

As far as getting strong armed, I’m not aware of any incidents like this but there is a private security firm that is trained by the police and have the authority to carry weapons the locals know they mean business and to stay clear. I used a company like this in Mexico and they where very effective.

I understand there have been a few buy outs but look at BB for example it’s a great place, no problems from the locals and it’s owned by an American from Cuba.

[Frannie]

Sounds like there may be a bit of strong-arming going on. Have you heard of such incidents of people getting "muscled" out of their businesses by Dominicans?

No these businesses are not profitable so the owners are happy to get out alive and often the Dominican entrepreneurs who take over don't do any better.

Trouble is, it is very difficult to run these businesses honestly, offer good value, and make a profit.

Domincan employees are a nightmare, and there is much absenteeism and pilfering, so good luck to anyone who wants to give it a go.

[SavePros321]

If I had any advice to give, it would be to be weary of your competition, otherwise you could very well find yourself building up a business that, eventually, a Dominican will end up owning.

Sounds like there may be a bit of strong-arming going on. Have you heard of such incidents of people getting "muscled" out of their businesses by Dominicans?