Puerto Plata

[Frannie]

If you think Blackbeards do not accept the money in order to keep it legal, it logically follows that what the other places are doing is illegal.

I think the authorities could easily justify calling them all illegal if they wanted to. They are all pimps. It is no different from what Passions was doing.

Totally agree with this.

To be honest, what these places offer also lacks appeal to me because it is unlikely that I would hit it off with someone good enough to want to spend 24 hours with them, or "wife up" with a stranger, but that is just me. Probably I don't have the temperament and talent to be a true monger. I just like the sex.

[Charles Pooter]

... it's just {BB's} way of keeping it legal.

The other places do the same thing ... except the house collects the money and hands it over to the girl.

If you think Blackbeards do not accept the money in order to keep it legal, it logically follows that what the other places are doing is illegal.

I think the authorities could easily justify calling them all illegal if they wanted to. They are all pimps. It is no different from what Passions was doing.

[Frannie]

There really is no difference, especially since the BB rates are set by the house. BBs just gets their cut by the higher room, food and drink prices. I'm not saying what they're doing is in any way wrong, it's just their way of keeping it legal. BBs requires the girls to accept the posted rates, meet certain standards and show up when they are scheduled.

The other places do the same thing. The girls are allowed to charge only the house rate, except the house collects the money and hands it over to the girl. Same performance and attendance standards. In addition, the house provides free food and drinks to the girls when they're working. I don't think Blackbeard's does that.

What they are doing seems to be working. I think CFI is going on 5 years old now, and the owner took over an existing business. I'm not sure if TAV is as old as BBs, but I think it's fairly close. SPAV has also been around for at least a few years.

From what I could gather, the clientele is about the same as BBs. Probably not a lot of rich and famous celebrities, especially since the hotel that hosts CFI is a public hotel and restaurant. You can book a room there just walking in off the street. It's not even as secluded as Blackbeard's, and reports are that TAV is wide open to everyone during the day.

Well, it is up to the local prosecutor's offices to determine what is legal, and these things can be partly political in nature. If they are complying with DR employment laws and taxes, they may be in the clear, though the "pandering" issue looks iffy to me.

However these places seem to be charging about $400 per day including the sexual companion. The pricing on the Web sites is far from transparent, but supposing the young lady is getting $100 per day, then you are paying $300 a day for all inclusive room and board in a hotel that probably falls below the level of a luxury resort in terms of amenities. I guess you could ask the girl how much she is making and whether there arepayroll deductions for meals etc.

I wonder what they would offer if you said you would provide your own accommodation and just wanted a doe-eyed companion. The Web sites do hint at providing bespoke packages.

[JjBee62]

Wow, great point. That had never even occurred to me. Its a subtle difference between BB and an "all in one," but an important one to remember.

There really is no difference, especially since the BB rates are set by the house. BBs just gets their cut by the higher room, food and drink prices. I'm not saying what they're doing is in any way wrong, it's just their way of keeping it legal. BBs requires the girls to accept the posted rates, meet certain standards and show up when they are scheduled.

The other places do the same thing. The girls are allowed to charge only the house rate, except the house collects the money and hands it over to the girl. Same performance and attendance standards. In addition, the house provides free food and drinks to the girls when they're working. I don't think Blackbeard's does that.

What they are doing seems to be working. I think CFI is going on 5 years old now, and the owner took over an existing business. I'm not sure if TAV is as old as BBs, but I think it's fairly close. SPAV has also been around for at least a few years.

From what I could gather, the clientele is about the same as BBs. Probably not a lot of rich and famous celebrities, especially since the hotel that hosts CFI is a public hotel and restaurant. You can book a room there just walking in off the street. It's not even as secluded as Blackbeard's, and reports are that TAV is wide open to everyone during the day.

[Manny51]

You have pretty much answered your own question. If the all-inclusive price includes sexual companionship then these women are being pimped by the hotelier and you don't even know how much the girl is getting. , so you have no financial relationship with her.

The issue of reputation may be relevant to those who visit these high-priced walled-garden brothels because they can afford the price, but cannot afford to be seen, photographed, or recorded in prostitution hotspots as it could harm their marriage or professional, business, or political reputation.

Wow, great point. That had never even occurred to me. Its a subtle difference between BB and an "all in one," but an important one to remember.

[Combo]

You have pretty much answered your own question. If the all-inclusive price includes sexual companionship then these women are being pimped by the hotelier and you don't even know how much the girl is getting. , so you have no financial relationship with her.

The issue of reputation may be relevant to those who visit these high-priced walled-garden brothels because they can afford the price, but cannot afford to be seen, photographed, or recorded in prostitution hotspots as it could harm their marriage or professional, business, or political reputation.

Of course, it could easily be proved that one stayed there. There's a record of just about everything these days!

[Frannie]

Where do persons of doubtful character come into the picture? You lost me on that one. As for a reputation, I don't have one or want one, and I certainly wouldn't worry about defending one. However, I do get annoyed when people who know nothing about a subject, make wild guesses and pretend to knowledge they do not possess.

As far as I can tell, nobody asked you to go near one of the places. However, if you wish to be helpful, rather than making things up, you could try doing just a bit of research first, especially if you feel the need to make libelous statements, since pimping is a crime in the DR.

You have pretty much answered your own question. If the all-inclusive price includes sexual companionship then these women are being pimped by the hotelier and you don't even know how much the girl is getting. , so you have no financial relationship with her.

The issue of reputation may be relevant to those who visit these high-priced walled-garden brothels because they can afford the price, but cannot afford to be seen, photographed, or recorded in prostitution hotspots as it could harm their marriage or professional, business, or political reputation.

[JjBee62]

How can you recommend a place if you have never even stayed there? I am sure the prices in these places are negotiable as they are just expatriates trying to make a buck by pimping Dominican females, probably with mixed fortunes. I would not go near one of them, and if you have any kind of reputation to defend you are opening yourself up to persons of doubtful character.

Personally, I trust my own research. If I would feel comfortable staying someplace, then I feel comfortable recommending the place. Having talked with several former customers from both places, having read numerous reports from past guests and in one case having been in contact with one of the owners, I am satisfied, except the issues I mentioned, that either place is comparable to Blackbeard's as far as the accommodations go. Having reviewed the photos of the available girls at one place, I am comfortable with saying, as far as looks go, that place is comparable to Blackbeard's.

How can you be sure about anything concerning these places, if you've never even bothered to do basic research on them? Where do persons of doubtful character come into the picture? You lost me on that one. As for a reputation, I don't have one or want one, and I certainly wouldn't worry about defending one. However, I do get annoyed when people who know nothing about a subject, make wild guesses and pretend to knowledge they do not possess.

As far as I can tell, nobody asked you to go near one of the places. However, if you wish to be helpful, rather than making things up, you could try doing just a bit of research first, especially if you feel the need to make libelous statements, since pimping is a crime in the DR.

[Frannie]

This is all from my research prior to my trip. My original plan had been to stay at 1 of the 3 on the south side.

Club Fantasy Island (CFI) appears to be comparable to Blackbeard's as far as facilities go. It's located a few blocks away from the beach and the strip in BC and from all reports is clean, well maintained and well run by the owner, an ex-pat from the US. The rates for their no-frills package aren't on the website, but are the same as the other 2 places. According to the brochure emailed to me, the girls are comparable to BBs, possibly slightly better on average. The girls are tested and are kicked out if they are caught moonlighting.

Satisfaction Plus Adult Vacations (SPAV) in Juan Dolio appears to be pretty similar to CFI. It is located on the beach in JD and the facilities are supposed to be about the same. The only exception is the pool. Their pool is a blue, plastic, inflatable pool, like you can get at Wal-Mart.

Tropical Adult Vacations (TAV) is on the beach in BC and is the only place I heard more complaints about than good reports. It's reported to have maintenance and cleanliness issues, issues with constant touts on premises bothering guests, and reports of public drug use by employees. Their restaurant for the included meals is not on the premises, but is a short walk away, down the beach.

The main difference between these places (CFI, SPAV & TAV) and BBs or FOD is in the experience. At Blackbeard's, you sample several women each day and maybe take 1 or 2 to your room. For a 5 night stay, you might have a dozen different girls in your bed. At the other places, you pick 1 girl, and as long as she's working out for you, she's with you 24/7. If you're not happy you swap her for another. Some swap girls every day, but most stick with 1 for the whole visit.

Blackbeard's offers variety, the other places offer GFE. The downside is you pay for everything at BBs. Each meal, each beer, each girl. You're constantly pulling out more money. At CFI and SPAV, you pay 1 time, when you arrive (a lot of reports from CFI say you usually aren't asked to pay until sometime after checking in and meeting your girl). If you drink 15 beers plus a few shots or mixed drinks, it's covered. Want an extra glass of juice for breakfast, or dessert with dinner, it's included. You want to 5 sessions a day with your girl, already paid for.

For someone with really big appetites, CFI and SPAV will cost about the same as Blackbeard's. If you want to wife up for the trip, without having to deal with cupid, they're cheaper. I've never heard about anyone doing that at BBs, but it would be expensive, food and drinks for 2, plus paying TLN each night and ST rates each day.

When I began my research, I quickly narrowed it down to CFI and SPAV. I like relaxing, and don't want someone constantly trying to sell me something. That combined with the negative reports and reports of upselling and demands for propinas eliminated TAV from the start.

I had originally decided on SPAV because their price was lower than the premium package price at CFI. Then I found out about their pool. I really don't want to hang out next to a pool that reminds me of a trailer park. After more research I decided on CFI. I had even made my reservation, with no deposit required.

Some problems before my trip cut a chunk from my vacation budget and I had to cancel in order to go a cheaper route.

If the GFE experience sounds appealing to you, I feel comfortable recommending CFI, or even SPAV, if the swimming pool isn't an issue.

How can you recommend a place if you have never even stayed there? I am sure the prices in these places are negotiable as they are just expatriates trying to make a buck by pimping Dominican females, probably with mixed fortunes. I would not go near one of them, and if you have any kind of reputation to defend you are opening yourself up to persons of doubtful character.

[Manny51]

Reading these posts about the all inclusive's have gotten me thinking about trying one. Cost is heavy, but I like the idea of not whipping my money out all day long. And I'd like to try having a new GFE every day.

Fantasy Island has a deal that they'll give you $500 credit on your bill for airfare if you stay 4 or more days. That would cover all but $140 for my flight. Combine that with $2,065 for four days premium package, I'm looking at just over $2200. That's just over the $2000 price point I try to hit on most of my trips. It'll cover less days than trips to Sosua or BB's, but I think it would be worth it for a change of pace.

Thanks for everyone posting info on these places.

In theory, these venues sound great. Santo Domingo is much cheaper to fly into than PP. But I would still want to hear from at least a couple of people that have been there. Photographs can often make some facilities look far better than they are. Plus, you want to know the quality of the ladies, and see at least a few pictures. BB and Oxygen also have / had the advantage of testing for the girls. The website do not inspire confidence. Alot of the links don't work. Suspicously, the links that say "click here for pricing info. "

I guess that I wlll have to read further back on the BC and SD pages, but so far, I haven't seen much. Thanks for the replies.

[JjBee62]

Reading these posts about the all inclusive's have gotten me thinking about trying one. Cost is heavy, but I like the idea of not whipping my money out all day long. And I'd like to try having a new GFE every day.

Fantasy Island has a deal that they'll give you $500 credit on your bill for airfare if you stay 4 or more days. That would cover all but $140 for my flight. Combine that with $2,065 for four days premium package, I'm looking at just over $2200. That's just over the $2000 price point I try to hit on most of my trips. It'll cover less days than trips to Sosua or BB's, but I think it would be worth it for a change of pace.

Thanks for everyone posting info on these places.

Their price for the no frills package for 4 nights is $1810. I had to dig through my old emails to find it.

[Henley100]

Reading these posts about the all inclusive's have gotten me thinking about trying one. Cost is heavy, but I like the idea of not whipping my money out all day long. And I'd like to try having a new GFE every day.

Fantasy Island has a deal that they'll give you $500 credit on your bill for airfare if you stay 4 or more days. That would cover all but $140 for my flight. Combine that with $2,065 for four days premium package, I'm looking at just over $2200. That's just over the $2000 price point I try to hit on most of my trips. It'll cover less days than trips to Sosua or BB's, but I think it would be worth it for a change of pace.

Thanks for everyone posting info on these places.

[Yonkers44]

Interesting. It sounds like Fantasy Island, Trop Adult, and Satisfaction are at roughly the same price point as the Oxygen of old, before it merged with BP. Can anyone who has been there comment on what these places are like (the facilities) and what the ladies are like? Are they worthy of the intermediate price point? Are the girls tested? Or is the whole thing no better than Blackbeards?

I would love to see the southern side of the island for a change, and wouldn't mind paying a little more if it meant a better overall product.

Thanks in advance!

Trop. Adult and Club Fantasy have web sites that show the girls available in addition to all the info you may need. You may not be able to log in in the island. The former operates out of Hotel Cayuco by Bocachica beach and outsources the meals to the Nancy a beach restaurant a couple of hundred yards west. Confortable but not luxurious. The latter shares space with Hotel Astoria on the 20 de diciembre, three blocs from the beach. I have never been inside so I don't know the facilities.

[JjBee62]

Interesting. It sounds like Fantasy Island, Trop Adult, and Satisfaction are at roughly the same price point as the Oxygen of old, before it merged with BP. Can anyone who has been there comment on what these places are like (the facilities) and what the ladies are like? Are they worthy of the intermediate price point? Are the girls tested? Or is the whole thing no better than Blackbeards?

I would love to see the southern side of the island for a change, and wouldn't mind paying a little more if it meant a better overall product.

Thanks in advance!

This is all from my research prior to my trip. My original plan had been to stay at 1 of the 3 on the south side.

Club Fantasy Island (CFI) appears to be comparable to Blackbeard's as far as facilities go. It's located a few blocks away from the beach and the strip in BC and from all reports is clean, well maintained and well run by the owner, an ex-pat from the US. The rates for their no-frills package aren't on the website, but are the same as the other 2 places. According to the brochure emailed to me, the girls are comparable to BBs, possibly slightly better on average. The girls are tested and are kicked out if they are caught moonlighting.

Satisfaction Plus Adult Vacations (SPAV) in Juan Dolio appears to be pretty similar to CFI. It is located on the beach in JD and the facilities are supposed to be about the same. The only exception is the pool. Their pool is a blue, plastic, inflatable pool, like you can get at Wal-Mart.

Tropical Adult Vacations (TAV) is on the beach in BC and is the only place I heard more complaints about than good reports. It's reported to have maintenance and cleanliness issues, issues with constant touts on premises bothering guests, and reports of public drug use by employees. Their restaurant for the included meals is not on the premises, but is a short walk away, down the beach.

The main difference between these places (CFI, SPAV & TAV) and BBs or FOD is in the experience. At Blackbeard's, you sample several women each day and maybe take 1 or 2 to your room. For a 5 night stay, you might have a dozen different girls in your bed. At the other places, you pick 1 girl, and as long as she's working out for you, she's with you 24/7. If you're not happy you swap her for another. Some swap girls every day, but most stick with 1 for the whole visit.

Blackbeard's offers variety, the other places offer GFE. The downside is you pay for everything at BBs. Each meal, each beer, each girl. You're constantly pulling out more money. At CFI and SPAV, you pay 1 time, when you arrive (a lot of reports from CFI say you usually aren't asked to pay until sometime after checking in and meeting your girl). If you drink 15 beers plus a few shots or mixed drinks, it's covered. Want an extra glass of juice for breakfast, or dessert with dinner, it's included. You want to 5 sessions a day with your girl, already paid for.

For someone with really big appetites, CFI and SPAV will cost about the same as Blackbeard's. If you want to wife up for the trip, without having to deal with cupid, they're cheaper. I've never heard about anyone doing that at BBs, but it would be expensive, food and drinks for 2, plus paying TLN each night and ST rates each day.

When I began my research, I quickly narrowed it down to CFI and SPAV. I like relaxing, and don't want someone constantly trying to sell me something. That combined with the negative reports and reports of upselling and demands for propinas eliminated TAV from the start.

I had originally decided on SPAV because their price was lower than the premium package price at CFI. Then I found out about their pool. I really don't want to hang out next to a pool that reminds me of a trailer park. After more research I decided on CFI. I had even made my reservation, with no deposit required.

Some problems before my trip cut a chunk from my vacation budget and I had to cancel in order to go a cheaper route.

If the GFE experience sounds appealing to you, I feel comfortable recommending CFI, or even SPAV, if the swimming pool isn't an issue.

[Manny51]

Extremely overpriced, even for the adult vacation venues. There are 3 options on the south side of the island, in Boca Chica and Juan Dolio where you can stay a week for what you'll pay for 3 days at Oxygen or Charlis Angels. The are, Club Fantasy Island and Tropical Adult Vacations in Boca Chica and Satisfaction Plus Adult Vacations in Juan Dolio.

Oxygen and Charlis cost roughly $1000 per day, the ones I listed are about $400 day. Your other options are Field of Dreams and Blackbeard's, depending on your appetites from about $150 to $250 per day.

The high end places are probably better accommodations, and I would hope the girls are all 10's for that price.

Blackbeard's or Field of Dreams are good options if you want the Erotic resort, but want to try several different women during your stay.

Interesting. It sounds like Fantasy Island, Trop Adult, and Satisfaction are at roughly the same price point as the Oxygen of old, before it merged with BP. Can anyone who has been there comment on what these places are like (the facilities) and what the ladies are like? Are they worthy of the intermediate price point? Are the girls tested? Or is the whole thing no better than Blackbeards?

I would love to see the southern side of the island for a change, and wouldn't mind paying a little more if it meant a better overall product.

Thanks in advance!