Santiago

[Mr Enternational]

I'd appreciate any insight. Thanks.

Please RTFF!

[D Cups]

I'd appreciate any insight. Thanks.

[FlbMac31]

Very good I'll remember this for the next trip. I was there in LOS Jardines Santiago October. Got 280 $ in the airport (Newark) exchange, I wasn't worried about the rate. They gave me a cool crisp pile of 200 p notes. Tried a different hotel this time, Hotel Las Jardines 60 $/ night Coming form el cibao just past la Sirena on the main road on north on avenida Estrella sadhala baring to the right of the elevated street in the center. Left on ave 27 de febrero right on ave Texas. Just past the politecnico feminine school on the right. I think the Dominican business people frequent this location.

Next visit let me share the name of a clean Aparta Hotel I dreamt at last week. Cheaper and the difference was superb from some in town.

[Onedazz]

Good Food, Hot water and Ice cold AC.

[Onedazz]

Have found an independent girl working through school that was worthy of a 9 rating on the other site. 19, superb BBBJCIM skills, swallows, rides like the wind, and typical short stature w / dk nips and clean. But I protect my muhera privada. She prefers American men only. Treat her right and she can be your local squeeze.

Very good I'll remember this for the next trip. I was there in LOS Jardines Santiago October. Got 280 $ in the airport (Newark) exchange, I wasn't worried about the rate. They gave me a cool crisp pile of 200 p notes. Tried a different hotel this time, Hotel Las Jardines 60 $/ night Coming form el cibao just past la Sirena on the main road on north on avenida Estrella sadhala baring to the right of the elevated street in the center. Left on ave 27 de febrero right on ave Texas. Just past the politecnico feminine school on the right. I think the Dominican business people frequent this location.

[FlbMac31]

Have found an independent girl working through school that was worthy of a 9 rating on the other site. 19, superb BBBJCIM skills, swallows, rides like the wind, and typical short stature w / dk nips and clean. But I protect my muhera privada. She prefers American men only. Treat her right and she can be your local squeeze.

[FlbMac31]

That's across from Hotel Platino right?

No, Hotel Platino is on Ave Estrella Sadhala, the west side of PUCMM. Pick up zone is on the north exit side of PUCMM.

The two attached screen shots have gray markers showing the exact locations.

[Charles Pooter]

Which books have you read on this subject? I'd like to read up!

Start with these (add P&P US$3.99 to all prices):

The standard history of the DR:
The Dominican Republic: A National History (Paperback) (2010).
By Frank Moya Pons.
US $36.95 on Amazon (new)
Updated edition covering up to the second Leonel administration.

If you are mainly interested in earlier history you could save a few bucks by buying the earlier edition:
The Dominican Republic: A National History (Paperback) (1998).
By Frank Moya Pons.
US $17.50 on Amazon (used).

Classic history:
The Black Jacobins: Toussaint L'Ouverture and the San Domingo Revolution (Paperback) (1989).
By C. L. James.
US $5. 00 on Amazon (used)

A lighter read, more anecdotal than scholarly:
Why the Cocks Fight: Dominicans, Haitians, and the Struggle for Hispaniola (2000).
By Michele Wucker.
US $6. 00 on Amazon (used)

Partisan account of the kidnapping of Aristide put in historical context:
An Unbroken Agony: Haiti, from Revolution to the Kidnapping of a President (Paperback) 2008
by Randall Robinson
US $0. 01 on Amazon (used)

This was published recently. I have not read it yet, or even any reviews. If any good, should be of particular interest to North Americans.
Confronting Black Jacobins: The USA, the Haitian Revolution, and the Origins of the Dominican Republic (2015).
By Gerald Horne.
US $21.96 on Amazon (new)

[GrownMan1]

I hit the Santiago mall again today. More people came out I the mall during the later hours. I wish my man Mr. G was here to people watch with me. It's so eye pleasing. Right now we're cruising through the city watching all the nightlife. Very entertaining. As much as I hate it; we decided to go towards Santo Domingo Boca Chica.

[Onedazz]

Being familiar with the area is helpful. I found two girls on the Autopista Side at a different location. The streets are not marked, no addresses, so landmarks are key. But if you follow Sadhalla to RD1, take a right on the access road as you indicated, there is an immediate turn Right down to the PUCMM gate. Two consecutive days now I've seen girls standing on the sidwalk literally on the triangle formed by the road going to SDO and turning right to PUCMM. Really flaunting their wares in leather hot pants.
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That's across from Hotel Platino right?

[Tempoecorto]

I have not heard anything about the airport area save Pasion nightclub out of the city and near the many aparts-hotels. Still looking for recommendations.

Yes, it was Pasion, the name that had eluded me previously. In any case, I have not been to that or other similar locales. I spend a good percentage of my time in the DR, in Santiago but I start the ball rolling long before I get there and so have had no need to look for others, for years, and hence no recommendations. I have taken women, to, AHI bar or to Lovera but neither of them are "pick up" places. Others may give you heads up on several car washes (again never been to those) or you may already know them, given your residence there.

[FlbMac31]

Thanks! Yes, there are the elevated lanes that you refer to. I rarely use those as when I catch the highway south, I mostly turn towards PUCMM, right after the Monument (Saldhalla as you rightly mention) and the road later connects to the autopista, after UTESA, as you veer left (Av Hispanoamericana). As a result, I have not been to the areas you describe, and certainly not during the hours you speak of, reason perhaps why I have not seen these women.

The information you left, in terms of map and specific location, could be helpful to those that go for the bar around the airport (the name eludes me) and the car washes.

Being familiar with the area is helpful. I found two girls on the Autopista Side at a different location. The streets are not marked, no addresses, so landmarks are key. But if you follow Sadhalla to RD1, take a right on the access road as you indicated, there is an immediate turn Right down to the PUCMM gate. Two consecutive days now I've seen girls standing on the sidwalk literally on the triangle formed by the road going to SDO and turning right to PUCMM. Really flaunting their wares in leather hot pants.

Wanted to turn back around.

I have not heard anything about the airport area save Pasion nightclub out of the city and near the many aparts-hotels. Still looking for recommendations.

[Brother P]

I only partially understand your questions. It is such a complex topic, with the situation changing over the decades, that a full reply and discussion would swamp the Santiago thread. Would be happy to continue by PM if you wanted, but I am no expert. You could soon learn all I know by reading the same few books I have read, and hopefully remember a lot more of it than my senile memory does.

Which books have you read on this subject? I'd like to read up!

[Tempoecorto]

I Went back and checked the map. Autopista Duarte traveling from Santiago to Santo Domingo. There are elevated lanes over the entry underpass to Pontifica Universidad Catolica Madre why Maestra. PUCMM. Exit Gate # 2 exits to an access road running parallel to the autopista. The access road and freeway are separated by a galvanized metal fence as cars generally will not stop. That said, there are several streetlamps and the girls stand dressed to the role beneath them after about 7-8 PM nightly. I prefer the access road for safety. If you stop and wave they will come to your passenger window and compete. I prefer a car job but here haven't found a place outside an Aparta Hotel close enough to arrange for service and return. Still working those details.

Thanks! Yes, there are the elevated lanes that you refer to. I rarely use those as when I catch the highway south, I mostly turn towards PUCMM, right after the Monument (Saldhalla as you rightly mention) and the road later connects to the autopista, after UTESA, as you veer left (Av Hispanoamericana). As a result, I have not been to the areas you describe, and certainly not during the hours you speak of, reason perhaps why I have not seen these women.

The information you left, in terms of map and specific location, could be helpful to those that go for the bar around the airport (the name eludes me) and the car washes.

[FlbMac31]

Street walkers by the autopista close to Pucamaima (PUCMM)? I have spent some time including food at the restaurant by the gas station in front of PUCMM but never seen one SW that I can think of. Beyond PUCMM, going towards Utesa, there are barrios on the right side, where if one has the chutzpah, can explore but by the autopista? Of course I am not a resident so it is plausible that I have missed that.

You are thinking of Avenida Sadhalla which is on the other side of the university. Lots of students but no action there.

I Went back and checked the map. Autopista Duarte traveling from Santiago to Santo Domingo. There are elevated lanes over the entry underpass to Pontifica Universidad Catolica Madre why Maestra. PUCMM. Exit Gate # 2 exits to an access road running parallel to the autopista. The access road and freeway are separated by a galvanized metal fence as cars generally will not stop. That said, there are several streetlamps and the girls stand dressed to the role beneath them after about 7-8 PM nightly. I prefer the access road for safety. If you stop and wave they will come to your passenger window and compete. I prefer a car job but here haven't found a place outside an Aparta Hotel close enough to arrange for service and return. Still working those details.

I've attached a link to a map. The pickup location is almost to the exact spot where the road changes from yellow to orange.

https://www.google.com/maps/@19.4475734, -70.6779556,16 z.

Good hunting.