Santiago

[LatinaChaser1]

I had no clue it was a huge holiday weekend when I arrived. Grocery stores packed out.

First observation is that everyone is right, there are MUCH better looking women here. You see the knockouts on the regular at restaurants, bars, stores etc.

I checked the scene around the monument and said Hello, to a few chicas but none were giving the WG vibe. Most were just chill and somewhat standoffish.

Apartment scene is so much nicer than Puerto Plata but the vibe with the girls is a bit of a mixed bag. I met two Hatianas via FB. One was a repeat. She was a mess this time. The other was a safety girl and was sweet but pretty boring. The real win came from Seeking. Wow, she was a Hatian star. She came over to enjoy the pool and she actually drank drank. Rare. She was dynamite in bed. Definitely seeing her again when I fly out of Santiago. I also went on a second seeking date with a Dominicana knockout. We went to a nice lounge and had bottle service with her knockout friends. I'm sure I was there to pick up the tab as a test but I had to pinch myself while I was partying with these beautiful women. No action from her as I was too hungover the next day and didn't pursue..

How long does it take from Santiago to POP / Sosua by bus?

[Tacoma101]

I had no clue it was a huge holiday weekend when I arrived. Grocery stores packed out.

First observation is that everyone is right, there are MUCH better looking women here. You see the knockouts on the regular at restaurants, bars, stores etc.

I checked the scene around the monument and said Hello, to a few chicas but none were giving the WG vibe. Most were just chill and somewhat standoffish.

Apartment scene is so much nicer than Puerto Plata but the vibe with the girls is a bit of a mixed bag. I met two Hatianas via FB. One was a repeat. She was a mess this time. The other was a safety girl and was sweet but pretty boring. The real win came from Seeking. Wow, she was a Hatian star. She came over to enjoy the pool and she actually drank drank. Rare. She was dynamite in bed. Definitely seeing her again when I fly out of Santiago. I also went on a second seeking date with a Dominicana knockout. We went to a nice lounge and had bottle service with her knockout friends. I'm sure I was there to pick up the tab as a test but I had to pinch myself while I was partying with these beautiful women. No action from her as I was too hungover the next day and didn't pursue.

Checked out Platino casino. No energy.

Checked out a lot of the local bars. Super super loud. I think my ears are still ringing LOL.

All Spanish in Santiago. Would be ideal to have a wing man. Especially for the bar scene.

150 pesos to go to POP / Sosua with Caribe tours. Busses every hour. Takes the highway 5 route. Easy peezy!

Taco.

[RogerHard]

Neither Ahi bar nor La Lovera is a pick up spot. Local folks with money go there. This is not to say that you may not get lucky but typically the crowd is composed of accompanied women. There are casas around I hear but have never had any reason to use those but perhaps others who have used those services can chime in on that. The apps are going to be useful if you do not have people set up through the Internet. Have fun!

Thanks Tempoecorto.

Hopefully the local taxi guys know the Casa's as in other cities. Any suggestions for bars / club. Planning on Noah for dinner. Hear its very good.

[Tempoecorto]

Heading to Santiago in 10 days. Hoping for some advice.

Staying at Hodelpa Centro Plaza. Believe it guest friendly and the casino occasionally has a good chica or two.

I hear Ahi Bar is a good spot, but is it a pick up joint? Looking for somewhere like Bailee's in Sosua or better still Classico.

Any suggestions welcome? Good Casa?

Skokka is the fall back.

Thanks Guys.

Neither Ahi bar nor La Lovera is a pick up spot. Local folks with money go there. This is not to say that you may not get lucky but typically the crowd is composed of accompanied women. There are casas around I hear but have never had any reason to use those but perhaps others who have used those services can chime in on that. The apps are going to be useful if you do not have people set up through the Internet. Have fun!

[RogerHard]

Heading to Santiago in 10 days. Hoping for some advice.

Staying at Hodelpa Centro Plaza. Believe it guest friendly and the casino occasionally has a good chica or two.

I hear Ahi Bar is a good spot, but is it a pick up joint? Looking for somewhere like Bailee's in Sosua or better still Classico.

Any suggestions welcome? Good Casa?

Skokka is the fall back.

Thanks Guys.

[Triple Darknes]

In my experience there's tiers of so called "non Pros". Meaning girls who do not do this as their sole source of income and don't hang out in Hoe pick up spots like El Conde or Pedro Clisante.

Tier #3. Mercenaries.

Mercs are chicas who may or may not have a job and usually have a boyfriend or husband who usually knows what they are doing. These are girls you'd meet at say a coffee shop in the tourist area either working there or "just happens"to be there. Usually speaks some to decent english. A Merc is all business she doesn't want to be seen with you in public and as soon as you say Ï'm Coming". She's going. 'nuff said.

Tier #2 The reservist.

The Reservist will usually have a job not have a claimed significant other (or a very understanding one) will hang out with you non sexually in public and is willing to do non sexual tasks for you I. E cooking, cleaning, Teaching spanish and dance, negotiations, and procuring other women for you. This is tier 2 but it's really Tier 1. You want a girl that you pay that doesn't lovebomb or gaslight you instead of one playing on you and trying to turn you into a western union novio. If she procures other women for you try to fuck her from time to time because she knows that she's not losing you to another woman and she's less likely to send a bad chica to you if she knows that she has to answer to you or blows you over a bad chica.

Usually I pay around 1500 to 2000 DOP plus taxi but if I'm spending the day with a reservist then I usually give 1000 for the sex and around 300 pesos rounded up to 7 hours plus taxi.

Tier #1 the Regular.

The regular is the one that the delusional monger thinks they want but actually don't want. The regular is a "girlfriend" whenever a girl asks to become a regular I always say "give me free pussy" and usually they balk because the way you start with a girl is the way you finish with them. The reason you don't want a regular is because you become married, Yes you don't have to fish out 25 to 50 bucks per fuck but the money asks on the backend tend to be substantial. In the "third world" it's much cheaper to not keep her and you lose the ability to fuck other women in country as she will find out about your side trips to Sosua and elsewhere. And just because you're faithful while in country doesn't mean that she's faithful while you're away; Hoes got to eat.

Hope this Helps.

Trip.

[Oakie]

Yeah, I'm totally against the family pilling on. But I think it's also on the girl to protect her investment against the freeloaders. Once the family gains influence into the relationship through her, you lose out and so does she. I like a girl who understands that family shouldn't have access to beg for favors but she is well taken care of and she will extend gratitude to the family. I might slip mom a few dollars but the brothers, cousins and even dad should not have direct assess to me to ask for favors. If that line is not drawn the relationship will end.

Well said, Mr Gogo.

As I always say, "No" is the hardest word to say, and it especially applies to relationships in the DR.

Most of the common problems of mongers, visitors and ex-pats come down to either the inability to say no, or the lack of consistency in applying it.

Sport fuckers, point and click mongers, weekend warriors don't run in to this problem so much, but a lot of these mongers become regular visitors and some of us become residents who want more than an unemotional mechanical hour with a sex worker, and the problems they sometimes bring. They, (we) develop relationships with chicas who satisfy them, and like the reliability and even companionship of one or more steady and predictable chicas.

Guy's like me and OldKool would fall into that category, and a lot of frequent visitors, and ex-pats here are looking to find that situation, a "regular" chica who can bring reliability, stability, predictability and guaranteed satisfaction to their lives. She can even develop into a "girl friend", more or less what you would like to find back home.

In the DR, being what it is, she can also give you access to her friends, extended family, so you can have variety too, including newbies, and freshies just starting out on their P4 P careers.

This kind of setup requires time and experience, and is not easy to find. I have found it only twice here, a former 7 year relationship, and my present 5 year chica. But being retired, and living here, I've had all the time in the world to make it work for me.

Of course, you can't have that kind of solid relationship without have at least some basic interaction with her kid and / or family. Just giving her a little money for her birthday party, or attending, gets you there. You might want to join her to visit her folks up in the hills, to see how they all live, and enjoy the hospitality. If her mother's in town for a medical appointment, you might want to give her a ride to the hospital.

And that's where the problem arises for most guys I talk to.

You'll inevitably be asked to help financially with some family problem. How and when to say no becomes important.

But if you are giving her birthday and Navidad gifts, it becomes harder to say no to minor emergency medical expenses for her, her kid, and her mother. Most guys are human, and see no problem with helping out. But that can lead to further dependency and expectations. The road to hell. Everybody down there gets sick at some time.

Where and how you draw the line is important, and you have to be consistent, and firm.

It's the only way that works.

But unfortunately, there's no User Manual for that.

[Mr Gogo]

For someone who is originally from a third world country, this can sound offensive. Its not a dominican thing it is a woman thing. You can't blame a mother to look out for her children especially if she is being dined with her mother. Take any women in the US with kids who makes less than 20 k a year to a decent restaurant like olive garden she will be taking pictures to show on social media. Take her to walmart for shopping, and she will be buying a month full of provisions. This is a poor people thing, many ladies here in the US will do the same if in the same set up and kids at home asking for food.

All women are entitled, rich or poor. They just have to be trained. Oldskool mistake was to even allows her to bring her mother. Once he made that move, she felt elevated.

When dealing with family members, don't take them to a restaurant. If you want to do something just give her money for grocery and drinks. Don't even go with her. If you have to take them out somewhere to eat, the mother has know what is comfortable for you so she can keep yer kids on a short leash and make sure they don't go all crazy on the menu or better take them to a place with a cheap menu and shared portions.

Yeah, I'm totally against the family pilling on. But I think it's also on the girl to protect her investment against the freeloaders. Once the family gains influence into the relationship through her, you lose out and so does she. I like a girl who understands that family shouldn't have access to beg for favors but she is well taken care of and she will extend gratitude to the family. I might slip mom a few dollars but the brothers, cousins and even dad should not have direct assess to me to ask for favors. If that line is not drawn the relationship will end.

[Mr Enternational]

Its not a dominican thing it is a woman thing.

All women are entitled, rich or poor. They just have to be trained. Oldskool mistake was to even allows her to bring her mother. Once he made that move, she felt elevated.

When dealing with family members, don't take them to a restaurant.

You said that shit. I was in Colombia years ago and took this chick, her mom, and her son to eat burgers. When we left there she wanted to stop by the university book store thinking I was about to buy school supplies for her son who was 1. Grown and 2. Had a kid of his own. I told the taxi (who was her friend - she called him to pick us up) to pull over and I got out and started walking. They said what about paying for the taxi. I said y'all figure it out and kept walking.

[Durandpaul]

If you think it's expensive, imagine how they feel. They generally subsist on rice and beans, and they will routinely take a photo of their plate, to show the folks back home.
It's a cultural thing, Dominicans depend on each other and share to a large degree. A mother enjoying such luxury, will think nothing of taking leftovers back to feed her kids, or even taking an item off the menu home!

For someone who is originally from a third world country, this can sound offensive. Its not a dominican thing it is a woman thing. You can't blame a mother to look out for her children especially if she is being dined with her mother. Take any women in the US with kids who makes less than 20 k a year to a decent restaurant like olive garden she will be taking pictures to show on social media. Take her to walmart for shopping, and she will be buying a month full of provisions. This is a poor people thing, many ladies here in the US will do the same if in the same set up and kids at home asking for food.

All women are entitled, rich or poor. They just have to be trained. Oldskool mistake was to even allows her to bring her mother. Once he made that move, she felt elevated.

When dealing with family members, don't take them to a restaurant. If you want to do something just give her money for grocery and drinks. Don't even go with her. If you have to take them out somewhere to eat, the mother has know what is comfortable for you so she can keep yer kids on a short leash and make sure they don't go all crazy on the menu or better take them to a place with a cheap menu and shared portions.

[OldKool]

I had no issue providing food for her kids while she is with me nor the cost of the food at the restauranrt. What got my goat was her ordering food without my consent. She assumed she could spend my money without my consent that is a no no .I was happy to have her Mom with us. I am finacially well off enough that I did blink at the food cost. I think she knew I was not committed to her and this bothered her. Consequently she was going to get what she could out of me. At the end of the day dealing with non pros has it challenges. This women is a decent young lady works when she can and takes good care of her family. Under different circumstances she could be a keeper. It was clear to her that I was not looking for that.

[Oakie]

Non pro I met a year ago. We been together a few times in santo domingo. This time we hooked up in santiago her home town. I was treating her like my lady. We go out to dinner her mother in tow. Both were in the clinic for an appointment for the mother. I pick them up there and go to dinner. Nice restaurant bill came to 100 bucks for 3 people. More then I wanted but that was not the issue. She ordered a pizza to go for her kids without asking me. Nobody spends my money but me. I would have bought the pizza. She goes home with mom so mom does not see going with me. It is 9 pm I am in my appartment waiting her to show. She comes 1130. I am not happy but the pussy is good go. After sex I mentioned the pizza issue. She gets in huff like she is insulted. I had planned to spend 3 days with her. She left in the morning so kids did not know she was fucking all night. As soon she left I ordered a uber to Metrobus to Sosua. She wanted me as a boy friend and i was not in cmpliance. So i left and did not call her and she has not call me.

This is a common complaint I hear all the time. We even had a story posted here a while back about it.

Inviting family members to join you and your "lady" in an expensive restaurant.

If you think it's expensive, imagine how they feel. They generally subsist on rice and beans, and they will routinely take a photo of their plate, to show the folks back home. It may even be the first time they have been in such a place.

It's a cultural thing, Dominicans depend on each other and share to a large degree. A mother enjoying such luxury, will think nothing of taking leftovers back to feed her kids, or even taking an item off the menu home.

That's considered a no no in polite NA society, but here we're talking about a dirt poor country.

I, and many other ex-pats with a regular lady, often find ourselves interacting with their family members, visiting their homes. They are generous with their hospitality and try to give you something special that they can't normally afford. They'd think nothing of you picking up piece of fruit to take home.

I remember a thread here where a poster complained about a chica in his room, taking a banana without asking. Bananas, are free or almost free to the locals in the DR, especially compared to the liquor and potato chips you might be feeding her. So for her, no biggie.

Of course for the monger, who finds this behavior unacceptable, it can be easily solved.

First of all, you have no obligation to feed the family of a chica you are fucking. So do not put yourself in the position of arranging to meet them in a restaurant in the first place. A coffee shop, or an ice cream parlor is all you need.

If you must make a show for your "lady", and invite her family along, take control of the drinks and menu orders, do not invite them to order carte blanche from the server. You the bossman. They'll respect you for it.

Or, invite them to a pub, or an inexpensive place where nothing on the menu is over 400 pesos. They'll still respect you for it.

Do not give up control of the budget, or the situation, otherwise it ends with everybody getting pissed off, and even worse, as that old story posted here showed dramatically.

My regular chica prefers to cook, because, as she's always reminding me, it's cheaper, healthier, and tastes better.

But, on the rare occasions we go to a decent restaurant, I always make sure there's a little something for her to take home to her kid. A slice of cake, a sandwich, whatever. Everybody is happy and a happy chica can do wonderful things for you!

[Mr Enternational]

She ordered a pizza to go for her kids without asking me. Nobody spends my money but me.

LOL. Chick in Colombia tried me like that some years back. I told her she needed to ask the daddy.

[OldKool]

Non pro I met a year ago. We been together a few times in santo domingo. This time we hooked up in santiago her home town. I was treating her like my lady. We go out to dinner her mother in tow. Both were in the clinic for an appointment for the mother. I pick them up there and go to dinner. Nice restaurant bill came to 100 bucks for 3 people. More then I wanted but that was not the issue. She ordered a pizza to go for her kids without asking me. Nobody spends my money but me. I would have bought the pizza. She goes home with mom so mom does not see going with me. It is 9 pm I am in my appartment waiting her to show. She comes 1130. I am not happy but the pussy is good go. After sex I mentioned the pizza issue. She gets in huff like she is insulted. I had planned to spend 3 days with her. She left in the morning so kids did not know she was fucking all night. As soon she left I ordered a uber to Metrobus to Sosua. She wanted me as a boy friend and i was not in cmpliance. So i left and did not call her and she has not call me.

How did you bump heads?

[Mr Enternational]

Went to santiago to see a non pro I liked. We bumped heads early.

How did you bump heads?