Negril

[Rjsss212]

The reason I don't even attempt to go for freebies is very simple: age. I'm an old man, it's as simple as that. I'll be 70 on my next birthday, and I'm proud of the fact that I'm still an active monger. But the probability of a young girl giving it out for free to a man not only old enough to be her father but actually to be her grandfather is nil; it's just not going to happen, and I'm not about to make a fool of myself trying. That's why I limit myself to p4p. I might be able to score for free with some middle aged women, but I'm an old lecher who prefers the young things and is willing to pay for it.

I agree, I'm almost 50 and I don't work Jamaican non-pros either even though I'm there 2 or 3 times a year. I will flirt with all of them and if they bite great but it had better happen quickly or I'm movin on, but I have far more money now then time so p2p it is as its guaranteed. Maybe when I retire next year but for now its a waste of my time as well.

Right about your second point. As I said, I made a mistake. I was just tired and lazy. But this has nothing to do with my central point, that black English-speaking Caribbean girls are terrible p4p providers, a fact that no one seems to be disputing. Like many on this forum, I have mongered all over the world and have never found worse sexual partners, not even in sub-Saharan Africa where they've all had clitorectomies. At least the African girls try to please you even if they can't enjoy it themselves. The English-speaking Caribbean is just not a good mongering destination. If you're smart, stick to Latinas or Asians. They are the best.

I disagree with almost everything you said about black Caribbean women and the way you did it but did'nt want to flame you and please don't believe that the absence of posts from those disagreeing with your "facts" is to be inferred as agreement. Maybe politeness or more likely indifference.

Last point and sorry for the negativity. You should have RTFF or at the very least Fun & Suns entries. He's money.

Anyway, happy mongering!

ps - I'll be in BKK all of December till Jan 10th if anyone wants to get some beers PM me.

[PogoStick]

Lorenzo; 1214154]You are dead right about that!

I used to say this for most of my life. Throughout my 40s and 50s, even early 60s, I still had the sexual prowess I did as a young man. In my 40s I could go two rounds in an hour. In my 50s I routinely did 3 girls in one night. Even at 63 I still did 2 girls back to back. But alas, in my mid-60s my best friend started to fail me, and it happened almost overnight. It's not that I can't get it up, but keeping it up became a problem, so that I often have to let the girl finish me off orally or manually. Very frustrating, because I'm a guy who likes to pump away and explode inside the girl. I don't know how typical I am, but I imagine I'm not atypical. Embarrassing to admit, but, alas, it's true. I'm now seriously considering a penile implant so that I can go back to 3+ girls in one night. In fact, I have an appointment with a urologist November 23 to discuss this very matter. I don't know if I'll have the courage to go through with it. But I'm afraid that age is more than a state of mind.

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I understand. It can take me all night to do what I used to do all night. Check your PMs for non-surgical options.

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These are great suggestions, but I've long since given up trying to score with nonpros, not so much from lack of self-confidence but from not wanting to waste my precious time. When you are with a pro, scoring is a certainty. With a nonpro, it's only a possibility. The last nonpro I scored was a Chilean waitress in the Falkland Islands last year, and she was in her early 40s. It turns out she had an ulterior motive; she was looking for an American husband so she could get a green card and move to the US. But I had a good time with her while it lasted. But I must admit that one reason I avoid nonpros is fear of poor performance.

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I don't look for non-pros. I am a brothel rat at heart. I love not only the guaranteed success, but the whole concept and environment. But I do keep an open mind for opportunity and don't talk myself out of it. For me it seems I actually perform much better with a non-pro. Maybe because I am more intent on their pleasure instead of enjoying my paid for treats.

I kind of hope to be like the guy I saw hauled out of Campo in an ambulance. He was well into his 80's and had been at Campo for over a week He dozed off on one of the couches in the big bar and never woke up. He spent is final days doing whatever he could with a flock of 20-30 year old chicas. Not a bad way to go.

Pogo

[Lorenzo]

In some way or another, we always pay for sex. I often consider wives as single-client working girls. We pay cash, security, dinner and a show, a house. What ever it takes to get what we want.

You are dead right about that!

Age is more of a state of mind than anything else.

I used to say this for most of my life. Throughout my 40s and 50s, even early 60s, I still had the sexual prowess I did as a young man. In my 40s I could go two rounds in an hour. In my 50s I routinely did 3 girls in one night. Even at 63 I still did 2 girls back to back. But alas, in my mid-60s my best friend started to fail me, and it happened almost overnight. It's not that I can't get it up, but keeping it up became a problem, so that I often have to let the girl finish me off orally or manually. Very frustrating, because I'm a guy who likes to pump away and explode inside the girl. I don't know how typical I am, but I imagine I'm not atypical. Embarrassing to admit, but, alas, it's true. I'm now seriously considering a penile implant so that I can go back to 3+ girls in one night. In fact, I have an appointment with a urologist November 23 to discuss this very matter. I don't know if I'll have the courage to go through with it. But I'm afraid that age is more than a state of mind.

I am only a few years behind you and I still score freebies withate gre younger women. It is about attitude and confidence and that is where P4P actually helps.Next time a shop girl, or waitress, hotel clerk or any younger woman is being nice and smiling at you, turn up the charm a bit. Get her talking about her life and dreams. Keep the conversation going as long as possible and offer to continue talking later when she is off work. Throw in a few stories of your exotic travels, but mostly let her talk. The more she talks, the more fascinating YOU become to her. From there, make your move.

These are great suggestions, but I've long since given up trying to score with nonpros, not so much from lack of self-confidence but from not wanting to waste my precious time. When you are with a pro, scoring is a certainty. With a nonpro, it's only a possibility. The last nonpro I scored was a Chilean waitress in the Falkland Islands last year, and she was in her early 40s. It turns out she had an ulterior motive; she was looking for an American husband so she could get a green card and move to the US. But I had a good time with her while it lasted. But I must admit that one reason I avoid nonpros is fear of poor performance.

So my friend. WE ARE STILL IN THE GAME! Play hard and have fun!

Thanks for the words of encouragement. You are one of the good guys. If I have the aforementioned surgical procedure, I will get in the game full throttle. If not, who knows?

Now, lets look at, say Belize, its been YEARS, since someone has posted anything. You don't even have to open the forum on that country, you can see the dates and see that nothing great is happening there. You can read the posts to see exactly why these places are not popular as well or go on and look for more popular places. Please members, go where you want to go.

I first loved ISG because of the interesting experiences all over the world. I like reading how mongers are getting it done in strict countries.

The problem with Belize isn't that there is no mongering but that there is only one place to monger. Once again, you need to read more carefully. The truth is that you can get laid anywhere if you have the right contacts, even in Saudi Arabia.

I know that Clint Eastwood and Tony Randall had kids in their 70's, I just turned 50, I like to know that I can still do it at that age. If it was known that you peter out at say 60, then I would try to enjoy as much of myself knowing I only had ten good years. To know you can go to 80 or more (in the case of Hugh) , well then I will keep on living.

I think the odds are very good that these guys have had implants, especially Hefner. Of course if they did they're not going to announce it to the world. More power to them.

I have passed a lot of good information on the USAguide board because I work around these ladies and know more of what's going on. Some guys thought that because they put their money in their safe, it would be safe? No, they didn't think their roommate would get a provider and SHE would rob them of their money. I tell guys hid your money in the phone book, nobody touches the phone book. I can go on about how these girls act, but the main thing is to trust no one. I have seen the most innocent, sweetest girls brought back to the holding room for trick rolls.

You work around them? Holding room? Are you a cop?

RTFF.

Thanks from a grateful membership for this helpful suggestion. Maybe I'll start doing that.

[Thaijuan14]

In some way or another, we always pay for sex. I often consider wives as single-client working girls. We pay cash, security, dinner and a show, a house. What ever it takes to get what we want.

Age is more of a state of mind than anything else. It is true that the playing field becomes much smaller and more challenging as we get older. But we are still in the game! I am only a few years behind you and I still score freebies with younger women. It is about attitude and confidence and that is where P4P actually helps. I believe that you are as young as you feel and while in the islands or LOS I try to feel as many 20 year olds as possible. Being in bed with a 25 year old chica or BG makes me feel young and gives me the illusion that an old guy can still score. That translates into confidence outside of the brothels as well. And after playing with the really young girls, a 35 year old is an easy target. I tend to forget how old I really am and start acting more like the young man used to be. This has gotten me laid for free in every country that I have visited.

The US and Europe are youth oriented cultures. We strive to look and act as young as possible. In many other cultures age and wisdom are revered and young women seek out older, stable and more experienced partners.

Next time a shop girl, or waitress, hotel clerk or any younger woman is being nice and smiling at you, turn up the charm a bit. Get her talking about her life and dreams. Keep the conversation going as long as possible and offer to continue talking later when she is off work. Throw in a few stories of your exotic travels, but mostly let her talk. The more she talks, the more fascinating YOU become to her. From there, make your move.

Two quick examples: In SXM I was having dinner by myself in downtown P-burg. I had a nice 36 year old waitress from St Lucia. We chatted a bit about her island and kept up a sporadic conversation while she worked and I ate. By the time I finished it was about a half hour before closing and I got up to leave. She suggested I sit at the bar and have one more drink. She finished work and we strolled on the boardwalk, just talking. On impulse I suddenly grabbed her and gave her a big kiss and then acted embarrassed for being so impulsive. But that I just HAD to kiss her. Then she kissed me back. We had breakfast together the next morning.

In BKK I had dinner at my hotel and sat in the lounge while 3 girls entertained. One on piano, the other two singing. During one of their breaks they sat near me and I kind of jumped in on their conversation about how to perform and old American jazz standard. We had a nice chat about music and I told them I never travel without my collection of good jazz. After that I left and went out to meet some fellow mongers to cruise the bars. Later that night I went back to the hotel to shower with plans to go out and meet my friends again. I ran into one of the singers in the lobby and we started talking again. She asked me about a particular song that I had on my MP3 and I suggested that she listen to it while I grab a quick shower. I got her set up with the music in the room and went to take my shower. A few minutes later she surprised me by joining me in the shower. After breakfast the next morning I offered to pay her taxi home. She just said,"no need, I have my car" I spent 3 more nights with her. I did buy her dinner twice, but she bought the third one. She was 26.

So my friend. WE ARE STILL IN THE GAME! Play hard and have fun!

Pogo

Thanks Pogo, that's what I was trying to say, but somehow it got lost in translation. Freebie to me means there is no money exchange for sex, but you may or may not have to buy something for her to impress her. A monger may buy dinner as a way to get her to know him better, thus winning her over. If a monger is charming enough to sleep with her without spending a red cent, more power to him. I have had one night stands when I was younger, but now, I have to spend a little, not to her, but on her.

I did not warn anyone against travel to Belize, Cancun, or The Bahamas. I stated that I would not go there and the reason is that after reading the forum on each country, members stated that these places were not places for mongers. I travel strictly to monger, not to skydive, scuba dive, go to the beaches, etc. If, I were not a member of ISG, I was saying that I would have gone to these countries and wasted my money, thinking I was going to a place to monger.

Look at Thailand or The Philippines board, I don't think there is a day that people don't post comments, in fact, there is always several posts. Now, lets look at, say Belize, its been YEARS, since someone has posted anything. You don't even have to open the forum on that country, you can see the dates and see that nothing great is happening there. You can read the posts to see exactly why these places are not popular as well or go on and look for more popular places. Please members, go where you want to go.

I first loved ISG because of the interesting experiences all over the world. I like reading how mongers are getting it done in strict countries. I remember reading in some Asian country that it is against the law for foreigners to have sex with their women! There is so much to learn here. One day I was in the casino and I had a young Scottish couple ask me if I knew the capital of Scotland. They were so happy SOMEBODY knew. I only knew, from reading the forum, because I wanted to know how life was there.

I know that Clint Eastwood and Tony Randall had kids in their 70's, I just turned 50, I like to know that I can still do it at that age. If it was known that you peter out at say 60, then I would try to enjoy as much of myself knowing I only had ten good years. To know you can go to 80 or more (in the case of Hugh) , well then I will keep on living.

Some providers are independent, thus they can call the shots. If they want to be with a monger, they make that decision. We know that pimps (who suffer none) will make his girl do the job when she doesn't want to. Just because a monger does P4P, does not mean he will get just service, you can read post after post about bad service. I know providers who tell me they just want to rob the guy. They use P4P to get in their house, car, hotel so they can steal from them. Sometimes by force or sometimes through trickery. How many times have we had guys (staying in the casino) running down the hallway naked (the old, take a shower before we do the deed trick).

I do not think because I hand over the stash, that that means I will automatically get good service. I feel I should get good service, I upheld my end of the bargain, but in some cases, they have turned on me after that cash hits their hand. I have had GFE, because the woman fell for me, that's great. If a woman isn't getting 100 percent, I don't blame her for acting lame, what's in it for her? Clothes and a place to sleep? Sometimes a provider will steal to impress her pimp, like bringing daddy a rolex. Now she is the top woman for daddy and she gets to sleep in the master bedroom while the other girls go their single beds.

I have passed a lot of good information on the USAguide board because I work around these ladies and know more of what's going on. Some guys thought that because they put their money in their safe, it would be safe? No, they didn't think their roommate would get a provider and SHE would rob them of their money. I tell guys hid your money in the phone book, nobody touches the phone book. I can go on about how these girls act, but the main thing is to trust no one. I have seen the most innocent, sweetest girls brought back to the holding room for trick rolls. RTFF.

[PogoStick]

And that isn't p4p? Do you think these 20 somethings would have anything to do with Hefner if he weren't wealthy AND sharing some of his wealth with them?

Nothing you say contradicts anything I said. I said that it's nearly impossible for older men to get freebies. None of the examples you cited involve freebies. All those girls were being paid one way or another. I may very well have been one of the geezers you saw in Thailand with a young girl hanging on his arm, because I had a regular there a few years ago, but she was being compensated. An encounter with a girl count as a freebie only if she gets nothing from the encounter but the pleasure of your company.

Maybe you should read my posts a little more carefully. My criticism specifically referred to black, English-speaking Caribbean p4p girls. I also specifically praised Latinas. Santo Domingo is in the Dominican Republic, a Spanish-speaking country. You specifically warn against Belize and the Bahamas, two of the very countries I was critical of, so whether you realize it or not, you are agreeing with me. As far as "what kind of guy is she getting," I don't care if a john looks like Mr. Hyde. As long as he is paying her, he is entitled to optimal service and is entitled to object if he doesn't get it. If she finds him unattractive, she should refuse him service and not take his money. As Hyman Roth said in Godfather II,"this is the life we've chosen."

In some way or another, we always pay for sex. I often consider wives as single-client working girls. We pay cash, security, dinner and a show, a house. What ever it takes to get what we want.

Age is more of a state of mind than anything else. It is true that the playing field becomes much smaller and more challenging as we get older. But we are still in the game! I am only a few years behind you and I still score freebies with younger women. It is about attitude and confidence and that is where P4P actually helps. I believe that you are as young as you feel and while in the islands or LOS I try to feel as many 20 year olds as possible. Being in bed with a 25 year old chica or BG makes me feel young and gives me the illusion that an old guy can still score. That translates into confidence outside of the brothels as well. And after playing with the really young girls, a 35 year old is an easy target. I tend to forget how old I really am and start acting more like the young man used to be. This has gotten me laid for free in every country that I have visited.

The US and Europe are youth oriented cultures. We strive to look and act as young as possible. In many other cultures age and wisdom are revered and young women seek out older, stable and more experienced partners.

Next time a shop girl, or waitress, hotel clerk or any younger woman is being nice and smiling at you, turn up the charm a bit. Get her talking about her life and dreams. Keep the conversation going as long as possible and offer to continue talking later when she is off work. Throw in a few stories of your exotic travels, but mostly let her talk. The more she talks, the more fascinating YOU become to her. From there, make your move.

Two quick examples: In SXM I was having dinner by myself in downtown P-burg. I had a nice 36 year old waitress from St Lucia. We chatted a bit about her island and kept up a sporadic conversation while she worked and I ate. By the time I finished it was about a half hour before closing and I got up to leave. She suggested I sit at the bar and have one more drink. She finished work and we strolled on the boardwalk, just talking. On impulse I suddenly grabbed her and gave her a big kiss and then acted embarrassed for being so impulsive. But that I just HAD to kiss her. Then she kissed me back. We had breakfast together the next morning.

In BKK I had dinner at my hotel and sat in the lounge while 3 girls entertained. One on piano, the other two singing. During one of their breaks they sat near me and I kind of jumped in on their conversation about how to perform and old American jazz standard. We had a nice chat about music and I told them I never travel without my collection of good jazz. After that I left and went out to meet some fellow mongers to cruise the bars. Later that night I went back to the hotel to shower with plans to go out and meet my friends again. I ran into one of the singers in the lobby and we started talking again. She asked me about a particular song that I had on my MP3 and I suggested that she listen to it while I grab a quick shower. I got her set up with the music in the room and went to take my shower. A few minutes later she surprised me by joining me in the shower. After breakfast the next morning I offered to pay her taxi home. She just said,"no need, I have my car" I spent 3 more nights with her. I did buy her dinner twice, but she bought the third one. She was 26.

So my friend. WE ARE STILL IN THE GAME! Play hard and have fun!

Pogo

[Lorenzo]

I write my reports to help fellow mongers and you can see that I didn't directly write to Lorenzo, but state my opinion or experience to help others. I can say the age of 70 could make it a little harder for freebie action but have you heard of a fellow called Hugh Hefner?

He is like 84 and still pulling 20 somethings and he doesn't do P4P. In a round about way, he promises them the world (or a shot in his centerfold).

And that isn't p4p? Do you think these 20 somethings would have anything to do with Hefner if he weren't wealthy AND sharing some of his wealth with them?

Nothing you say contradicts anything I said. I said that it's nearly impossible for older men to get freebies. None of the examples you cited involve freebies. All those girls were being paid one way or another. I may very well have been one of the geezers you saw in Thailand with a young girl hanging on his arm, because I had a regular there a few years ago, but she was being compensated. An encounter with a girl count as a freebie only if she gets nothing from the encounter but the pleasure of your company.

Last, I guess it just hurts me to hear negativity against my Caribbean women, the P4P are just as nice. I had the best 3some in Santo Domingo and I had great experiences in MoBay at the MP's. I plan to hit up Tropical Fantasy and report back. Granted, its only two countries, but I think bad experiences are just what I have said before-what kind of guy is she getting.

Maybe you should read my posts a little more carefully. My criticism specifically referred to black, English-speaking Caribbean p4p girls. I also specifically praised Latinas. Santo Domingo is in the Dominican Republic, a Spanish-speaking country. You specifically warn against Belize and the Bahamas, two of the very countries I was critical of, so whether you realize it or not, you are agreeing with me. As far as "what kind of guy is she getting," I don't care if a john looks like Mr. Hyde. As long as he is paying her, he is entitled to optimal service and is entitled to object if he doesn't get it. If she finds him unattractive, she should refuse him service and not take his money. As Hyman Roth said in Godfather II,"this is the life we've chosen."

[Thaijuan14]

The reason I don't even attempt to go for freebies is very simple: age. I'm an old man, it's as simple as that. I'll be 70 on my next birthday, and I'm proud of the fact that I'm still an active monger. But the probability of a young girl giving it out for free to a man not only old enough to be her father but actually to be her grandfather is nil; it's just not going to happen, and I'm not about to make a fool of myself trying. That's why I limit myself to p4p. I might be able to score for free with some middle aged women, but I'm an old lecher who prefers the young things and is willing to pay for it.

No disrespect to Lorenzo or anyone when I write a report.

I write my reports to help fellow mongers and you can see that I didn't directly write to Lorenzo, but state my opinion or experience to help others. I can say the age of 70 could make it a little harder for freebie action but have you heard of a fellow called Hugh Hefner?

He is like 84 and still pulling 20 somethings and he doesn't do P4P. In a round about way, he promises them the world (or a shot in his centerfold).

Here in Vegas, (trust me I hate it-until I turn 70) , you see old guys ALL THE TIME with fine young women, money talks! Most of them are "kept" women, women they take care of for just being around them and short termers who cling on them and make them look good during their short stay. (This place is so pretentious). When I was in Pattaya this past Feb. I saw the same thing, damn near wanted to move there, but not enough money to live like an American, but I could live like a Thai.

My point, don't give up mongering until they close the lid-George Burns lived to 100? And still had girls by his side.

I have made mistakes and will continue. This board helps us to avoid them and also helps us to get the most out of our mongering dollars. I would have wasted mongering dollars going to Belize, Cancun and The Bahamas, thank you fellow members for your reports.

Last, I guess it just hurts me to hear negativity against my Caribbean women, the P4P are just as nice. I had the best 3some in Santo Domingo and I had great experiences in MoBay at the MP's. I plan to hit up Tropical Fantasy and report back. Granted, its only two countries, but I think bad experiences are just what I have said before-what kind of guy is she getting.

[Lorenzo]

I see two things about Lorenzo's report that I would not do. First, he did P4P before he even sampled the local fare. We have been saying that the jewel of Jamaica is the freebies. If you get it for free, you really can't complain much. If you P4P, your expectations are usually high.

If you are visiting for 4 days, why not take the first 2 days to see if you get lucky. If not, then turn to P4P, even I would do that wherever I go. There is another factor that I would not suggest. I would never go on a blind date. You were lucky she was good looking at least. I know from experience that you must meet face to face to establish a lot of things like looks, price, place, and what's she will do and not do.

The reason I don't even attempt to go for freebies is very simple: age. I'm an old man, it's as simple as that. I'll be 70 on my next birthday, and I'm proud of the fact that I'm still an active monger. But the probability of a young girl giving it out for free to a man not only old enough to be her father but actually to be her grandfather is nil; it's just not going to happen, and I'm not about to make a fool of myself trying. That's why I limit myself to p4p. I might be able to score for free with some middle aged women, but I'm an old lecher who prefers the young things and is willing to pay for it.

You're right about your second point. As I said, I made a mistake. I was just tired and lazy. But this has nothing to do with my central point, that black English-speaking Caribbean girls are terrible p4p providers, a fact that no one seems to be disputing. Like many on this forum, I have mongered all over the world and have never found worse sexual partners, not even in sub-Saharan Africa where they've all had clitorectomies. At least the African girls try to please you even if they can't enjoy it themselves. The English-speaking Caribbean is just not a good mongering destination. If you're smart, stick to Latinas or Asians. They are the best.

[Thaijuan14]

Yes, you're right, I made a big mistake. I shouldn't have been so lazy and instead should have gone out and found my own girls. Nevertheless, my observation about black English-speaking Caribbean girls still stands: they are the world's worst sex providers, bar none. I am basing this on experience in 5 countries. So I doubt that I would have fared much better if I had gone out on my own, although I probably would have spent less money.

I see two things about Lorenzo's report that I would not do. First, he did P4P before he even sampled the local fare. We have been saying that the jewel of Jamaica is the freebies. If you get it for free, you really can't complain much. If you P4P, your expectations are usually high.

If you are visiting for 4 days, why not take the first 2 days to see if you get lucky. If not, then turn to P4P, even I would do that wherever I go. There is another factor that I would not suggest. I would never go on a blind date. You were lucky she was good looking at least. I know from experience that you must meet face to face to establish a lot of things like looks, price, place, and what's she will do and not do.

I live in Vegas and work in a major casino and I know these providers very well (I talk to them). Some factors of bad service could be-she just don't feel you. Someone said something about a pimp and his cut, yes, it makes a difference if she is working alone and getting 100 percent. What was she doing when she was called to duty? Its really important to know what she has been doing before you. Even though she know she is going to get paid, knowing what she is doing makes her feel cheap. A freebie "wants" to enjoy herself and hope you drop some thank you notes.

I have been to The Philippines, Thailand (the reason behind my name-Thai and Juan) , Dom Rep, Costa Rica, Mexico (Guadalajara is my favorite-Tapatia's!) and of course, Jamaica. I love Asians and they didn't let me down in the LOS and the P. I. (D. R was top's) , CR was okay and Mexico was great back in the good old days-pre cartel.

When you go to monger, offer a meal to a freebie and ask her to talk to you about her country. They like telling you what's good and how to be careful. If you don't hook up with her, usually she can find someone (a friend) or tell you the P4P place. Of course, follow-up on ISG on places she recommend. You have got to be social, women aren't going to throw themselves at you.

Anyways, I will be in MoBay soon, I hope I have something to report back with. I haven't heard from the woman from Tropical Fantasy, but that is okay. Since I will be in an all-inclusive, I will not be on the strip at night to report on the night club action-Moods, M'ville, etc. We will see. BTW, the member talking about Belize, try reading the boards on that place. Null.

[PogoStick]

Yes, you're right, I made a big mistake. I shouldn't have been so lazy and instead should have gone out and found my own girls. Nevertheless, my observation about black English-speaking Caribbean girls still stands: they are the world's worst sex providers, bar none. I am basing this on experience in 5 countries. So I doubt that I would have fared much better if I had gone out on my own, although I probably would have spent less money.

I can agree with your assessment of West Indian girls as it applies to those working the trade. I have never had a decent experience with a Caribbean working girl.

But a Caribbean non-pro, especially a Jamaican, can give you the ride of your life. If she likes you as a person and wants to be with you as a friend, BF or fling then you have a partner that will go all out for you. But as soon as money enters the picture, the attitude is very different.

Respect, morals and community status are very important in the Caribbean and even more so in Jamaica. These are isolated cultures on small bits of rock in the ocean. We are there for a week, they have to live there all their lives. Even in a country as large as Jamaica it is still a small island and their reputation will always follow them. It is OK to be young, adventurous and even a bit promiscuous. But once the line of P4P is crossed they can never regain what they lost and they will assume the role of a wh0re with all of it's negative connotations.

I have been going to Jamaica several times a year for about 15 years. If you read back through all my reports you'll see that Jamaica is the only island I visit regularly where I do not monger at all. That does not mean I don't get laid in Jamaica. I just don't pay for it. I do have the luxury of playing the "long game" to get to know someone over the course of several visits or even several years. They have been some of the finest sexual experiences of my life. But they are real women on real dates and not P4P. (that is also why I don't report them here)

My preference in women runs toward either the sweet passion of a Colombiana or the skilled professionalism of a Bangkok soapy girl. But if you want a raw, all out, fuck me till I die, no holes barred experience you cannot beat a Caribbean woman that actually WANTS to fuck you.

Pogo

[Lorenzo]

Don't have anyone, and I mean anyone with the exception of a driver you have used for several days, bring girls to you.

Yes, you're right, I made a big mistake. I shouldn't have been so lazy and instead should have gone out and found my own girls. Nevertheless, my observation about black English-speaking Caribbean girls still stands: they are the world's worst sex providers, bar none. I am basing this on experience in 5 countries. So I doubt that I would have fared much better if I had gone out on my own, although I probably would have spent less money.

[Lorenzo]

Did you check out scrub a dub while you were in Negril?

No, just the Jungle and some live reggae. After my negative experience I just really wasn't in the mood for mongering.

[Fun And Sun]

When the bellman was escorting me to my room at the Riu Negril Club Hotel, I asked him what was a good place to pick up girls. He said he could arrange for a girl to come to the hotel, just call him when I was ready. The next night I took him up on it and a hottie named Tanisha showed up in the lobby. She says she is 20 but she looks older. At first the hotel told me the fee for a guest pass would be US$90, which I refused to pay. They finally came down to US$45, which I reluctantly paid. The bellman didn't ask for anything, but I gave him US$20 for his efforts. I won't tell you what I paid the girl.

Experience in 4 previous countries-Belize, Bahamas, Guyana, and Barbados-had already convinced me that black, English-speaking Caribbean girls are the world's worst sex providers, and this experience only confirmed that, so make it 5 countries. These girls always have an attitude, like they are doing me a special favor by gracin ig me with their presence and their service, that it is my privilege to be paying them, and that I should hurry up and finish so they can go on to more important things. This girl was no exception. Service was shitty: no kissing, CBJ, CFS, although she did allow DATY and finger-fucking. Normally I negotiate services up front, but given the fact that she was already there, th is was impossible. I was glad to see her go. I'll probably go to more English-speaking Caribbean countries, but I think I'll forego mongering there and stick to Latinas, who are the world's best providers. What a contrast!

You can see pictures of the beeyutch in the photo gallery.

Hi Lorenzo, that is one little hottie, too bad she wasn't much of a performer.

Not having a go at you by saying this, but just posting this since it's useful information for other readers of this thread.

Don't have anyone, and I mean anyone with the exception of a driver you have used for several days, bring girls to you. The reason for this is two fold:

Firstly, whatever you pay the girl, she will have to give the majority of the money away as a commission to the person acting as intermediary. Say you overpay at USD 100 for some fun, the girl will get to keep USD 30 of this at most and pay the rest of the money as a commission to the driver, hotel security guard, or whatever. That will annoy her quite a bit.

Secondly, being brought to your room without meeting you first makes her feel cheap which they don't like and they are not professional about it like in many other countries and will give you attitude because of this. Plus most likely the girl he brought is not a full time pro on the night circuit, just likely a local girl that supplements her income by "selling pussy" once in a while to people that she knows.

[Fun And Sun]

The guide is great! I plan to print it and use it for my DEC Jan trip. I still have a couple of questions. Are ATMs easily available in Mo Bay and Negril, or do I need to bring all the cash I need? Where do I get the best exchange rate? Whats the best place to catch a bus to Negril from Mo Bay? Thanks!

Hi Brother P, glad you find the guide useful. Jamaica can be a bit of a difficult placeto navigate some time, but hopefully the guide will help you have as much fun as possible without overpaying too much and too often. There are buses between Mo'Bay and Negril, but I don't really like them so I always take a taxi for USD 50.

Tijuana has already mentioned where the ATMs in Mo'Bay are, and the best ATM to use in Negril is the one that is located in the little shopping mall in the center of town. You can find it easily.

Enjoy your trip, and please post a trip report when you come back.

[Brother P]

Did you check out scrub a dub while you were in Negril?

I was there 4 nights, but I didn't monger again after my bad experience, just ate, drank, and danced a little.