Aruba

[Just Incognito]

Nope won't eradicate it in weeks. Will fire back up when we open up again. Happened in the USA and almost every other country on Earth. Remember the US locked down, only out for essentials for six weeks in Late March and April? We tried it. Didn't work.

Do we need the Govt, to dictate our lives? Do you want bigger govt? Just the fact that you are travelling internationally for sex tells me you are being hypocritical as the US Govt is dictating your sex life and you don't like it. Life needs to go on.

Talk to business owners about locking down again. See how they feel.

If you think the US locked down. You don't know what a lockdown really is! And they opened up way too quick-they did it based on time--its been long enough--not data--how low are the case positive states. There was and still is a major lack of testing and tracing. The idea is the lockdown gets the curve low enough to be able to test trace and track the rest. The US has utterly failed at all of this--and did not actually do a real lockdown-just because they call it that--it wasn't. Other countries like new zealand figured it out. Taiwan hong kng thailand. Much more severe lockdowns. Heck, China kept Beijing safer than the usa could keep topeka!

There is no wealth without health. Mandated universal masking and mandated ditancing must be the temporary law of the land.

And no, I am not a hypocrite--I don't live in the US--the US doesn't tell me shit to do with my life. Where I live paying for pussy is legal.

[Mfins]

The US has been a total failure at this. The fault obviously lies with the people in charge: trump and his covidiot cronies. Sad.

Universal masking, only go out for essentials, distancing and hygiene --we know the tricks--all it takes is leadership and this is done in weeks.

Someone mentioned we won't eradicate it globally--well, yeah-but we should try! Where's the UN. Imagine if the US, and the UN LEAD the world together. We could all be Iceland!

Nope won't eradicate it in weeks. Will fire back up when we open up again. Happened in the USA and almost every other country on Earth. Remember the US locked down, only out for essentials for six weeks in Late March and April? We tried it. Didn't work.

Do we need the Govt, to dictate our lives? Do you want bigger govt? Just the fact that you are travelling internationally for sex tells me you are being hypocritical as the US Govt is dictating your sex life and you don't like it. Life needs to go on.

Talk to business owners about locking down again. See how they feel.

[Just Incognito]

"Certain freedoms". More like people are too fucking selfish and self-absorbed to be willing to make sacrifices for the common good. Wearing a mask to go into a store is "tyranny" LOL! Remind my fellow Americans that their rights end where my nose begins. In this case literally! There's been no national coordinated effort in the United States at all in anyway at any time during this pandemic. The "United States" hasn't done anything. It's been this state and that state doing it's own thing, even down to the county level. And on top of that, you can't get a straight answer from the "experts" on what to do. First they say this, then they say that. Oh no, that was a mistake, we didn't mean that! All of this has been the problem in the United States. Helter skelter all over the place with too many selfish people not wanting anybody telling them what to do. "American exceptionalism". At its worst. More like American hubris.

The US has been a total failure at this. The fault obviously lies with the people in charge: trump and his covidiot cronies. Sad.

Universal masking, only go out for essentials, distancing and hygiene --we know the tricks--all it takes is leadership and this is done in weeks.

Someone mentioned we won't eradicate it globally--well, yeah-but we should try! Where's the UN. Imagine if the US, and the UN LEAD the world together. We could all be Iceland!

[PVMonger]

"Certain freedoms". More like people are too fucking selfish and self-absorbed to be willing to make sacrifices for the common good. Wearing a mask to go into a store is "tyranny" LOL! Remind my fellow Americans that their rights end where my nose begins. In this case literally! There's been no national coordinated effort in the United States at all in anyway at any time during this pandemic. The "United States" hasn't done anything. It's been this state and that state doing it's own thing, even down to the county level. And on top of that, you can't get a straight answer from the "experts" on what to do. First they say this, then they say that. Oh no, that was a mistake, we didn't mean that! All of this has been the problem in the United States. Helter skelter all over the place with too many selfish people not wanting anybody telling them what to do. "American exceptionalism". At its worst. More like American hubris.

Abso-freakin'-lutely.

[Lucky Strike]

I agree with you except for the fact that you say it worked. If what we are talking about is completely eradicating the virus on an island it didn't work and won't because there is always going to be one person to F it up as you say. Eventually, be it in 6 weeks or 6 months people have to go outside again. Without a vaccine it won't and didn't work. All you did is delay the spread and make people suffer, go broke, lose a business they have spent a lifetime building and, maybe have mental health issues, depression etc.

Sh*t, this is not a forum to debate pandemic response, but what the heck. They did eradicate the virus for a few weeks. But it was too expensive and "authoritarian" to stay that way.

Look, Aruba is an ISLAND, no land borders with other countries. Only by sea / air. Once they stopped local transmission (assuming all asymptomatic cases burned themselves out. A big assumption, but given how long there have been no new cases, probably a correct one), in order to stay that way they'd have to quarantine every arriving person for 2 weeks. And by quarantine I mean literally under house arrest. If they could do that (including illegal immigrants and tourists), there would be no COVID in Aruba. But to do that in a relatively free and very much tourist-dependent country is for all intents and purposes is impossible. That way the residents would be able to go outside, but the island would have to be sealed off from the world.

[The Cane]

In addition, citizens of Asian countries are more used to conforming. Especially China. Asian's have been wearing masks with and without pandemics for as long as I can remember. In the home of the free we are granted certain freedoms other countries are not and, to expect US citizens to lock down for an extended period of time is not realistic. Hence, more success in other countries.

"Certain freedoms". More like people are too fucking selfish and self-absorbed to be willing to make sacrifices for the common good. Wearing a mask to go into a store is "tyranny" LOL! Remind my fellow Americans that their rights end where my nose begins. In this case literally! There's been no national coordinated effort in the United States at all in anyway at any time during this pandemic. The "United States" hasn't done anything. It's been this state and that state doing it's own thing, even down to the county level. And on top of that, you can't get a straight answer from the "experts" on what to do. First they say this, then they say that. Oh no, that was a mistake, we didn't mean that! All of this has been the problem in the United States. Helter skelter all over the place with too many selfish people not wanting anybody telling them what to do. "American exceptionalism". At its worst. More like American hubris.

[Mfins]

According to https://www.visitaruba.com/news/gene...avel-to-aruba/ there was zero new detected cases from May 6 to June 28. The "Shelter in place" started on March 28. So, yeah, 6 weeks all it took to stop new virus transmissions, and then keep infected in isolation until they recover. The difficult part is that all it takes is 1 person to f**k it up for everybody else.

Also, the wealthy countries that can afford to print money and pay people to stay at home have freedoms and civil liberties that make tight lockdowns impossible. Poorer countries that have no ability to print money obviously can't have those lockdowns. And then there's China that can both print money and is a dictatorship with super-strong internal police / security apparatus to keep people locked up as long as it takes.

I agree with you except for the fact that you say it worked. If what we are talking about is completely eradicating the virus on an island it didn't work and won't because there is always going to be one person to F it up as you say. Eventually, be it in 6 weeks or 6 months people have to go outside again. Without a vaccine it won't and didn't work. All you did is delay the spread and make people suffer, go broke, lose a business they have spent a lifetime building and, maybe have mental health issues, depression etc.

[Mfins]

The goal has never ever been to eradicate the virus. It's understood that won't happen. The goal is to tamp down and control the spread of the virus to prevent the hospitals from being overwhelmed and to save lives. That's the goal, and some countries absolutely have done a much, much better job at that (Taiwan as one example) versus others (the United States as another example).

In addition, citizens of Asian countries are more used to conforming. Especially China. Asian's have been wearing masks with and without pandemics for as long as I can remember. In the home of the free we are granted certain freedoms other countries are not and, to expect US citizens to lock down for an extended period of time is not realistic. Hence, more success in other countries.

[Mfins]

The goal has never ever been to eradicate the virus. It's understood that won't happen. The goal is to tamp down and control the spread of the virus to prevent the hospitals from being overwhelmed and to save lives. That's the goal, and some countries absolutely have done a much, much better job at that (Taiwan as one example) versus others (the United States as another example).

The US did it too for about six weeks and it did give the hospitals a chance to catch up. For the most part it worked. That was the objective of the shut down as you pointed out. Somewhere along the long the narrative shifted from getting the hospitals up to speed and the virus somewhat under control to it being there can not be one person sick and if there is lock everything down indefinitely. This was never the intention (in the US).

[Lucky Strike]

According to https://www.visitaruba.com/news/gene...avel-to-aruba/ there was zero new detected cases from May 6 to June 28. The "Shelter in place" started on March 28. So, yeah, 6 weeks all it took to stop new virus transmissions, and then keep infected in isolation until they recover. The difficult part is that all it takes is 1 person to f**k it up for everybody else.

Also, the wealthy countries that can afford to print money and pay people to stay at home have freedoms and civil liberties that make tight lockdowns impossible. Poorer countries that have no ability to print money obviously can't have those lockdowns. And then there's China that can both print money and is a dictatorship with super-strong internal police / security apparatus to keep people locked up as long as it takes.

You say the entire problem is over in 6 weeks, but you're forgetting that the island would have to eventually open back up and the virus will come back in. What then? Lockdown 6 more weeks? This is not sustainable. The only way this truly works is if every single country on earth does a complete lockdown until the virus disappears, which is obviously impossible.

What you're describing has already happened back in March - June. Complete lockdown and the island was eventually COVID free and there is debate whether it was truly worth it.

There are a lot more factors to look at than just 'the numbers are high' - it is not so simple.

[Velosteraw]

If the lockdown is done properly the entire problem is over in 6 weeks. This isn't difficult.

2 weeks viral incubation, 2 weeks active virus in you, 2 weeks post active possible transmission. The virus can't live outside a human host for more than a few days.

It doesn't take a year, it only takes 6 weeks and the whole thing is basically done.

With universal masking and hygiene--this doesn't have to be too drawn out. Or we can just keep managing it for the next 18 months.

You say the entire problem is over in 6 weeks, but you're forgetting that the island would have to eventually open back up and the virus will come back in. What then? Lockdown 6 more weeks? This is not sustainable. The only way this truly works is if every single country on earth does a complete lockdown until the virus disappears, which is obviously impossible.

What you're describing has already happened back in March - June. Complete lockdown and the island was eventually COVID free and there is debate whether it was truly worth it.

There are a lot more factors to look at than just 'the numbers are high' - it is not so simple.

[The Cane]

Agree, Many countries have tried a full and complete lockdown for more then 6 weeks. It did not eradicate the virus in any place it was tried.

The goal has never ever been to eradicate the virus. It's understood that won't happen. The goal is to tamp down and control the spread of the virus to prevent the hospitals from being overwhelmed and to save lives. That's the goal, and some countries absolutely have done a much, much better job at that (Taiwan as one example) versus others (the United States as another example).

[Mfins]

11 persons in the ICU and they have increased the number of ICU beds from 6 to 33. That's 1/3 capacity.

Please refrain from using fake news to support your false narrative. Here are the links to expose your fake news:

https://www.visitaruba.com/news/gene...avel-to-aruba/

https://www.government.aw/news/news_...its_49093.html

And by the way, the lockdowns that you propose didn't eradicate the virus any country.

Agree, Many countries have tried a full and complete lockdown for more then 6 weeks. It did not eradicate the virus in any place it was tried.

[PVMonger]

If the lockdown is done properly the entire problem is over in 6 weeks. This isn't difficult.

2 weeks viral incubation, 2 weeks active virus in you, 2 weeks post active possible transmission. The virus can't live outside a human host for more than a few days.

It doesn't take a year, it only takes 6 weeks and the whole thing is basically done.

With universal masking and hygiene--this doesn't have to be too drawn out. Or we can just keep managing it for the next 18 months.

This is the first sane post I've seen on the subject. The key word though is "properly".

[ShooBree]

I don't know where you get your information. Aruba's hospital is now just about full. ICU has 1 bed left at the moment. Because they converted another room.

There is a spike in curacao and Bonaire now. So nowhere else to send people. All the doctors at the hospital just published a letter asking everyone on Aruba to shelter in place.

11 persons in the ICU and they have increased the number of ICU beds from 6 to 33. That's 1/3 capacity.

Please refrain from using fake news to support your false narrative. Here are the links to expose your fake news:

https://www.visitaruba.com/news/gene...avel-to-aruba/

https://www.government.aw/news/news_...its_49093.html

And by the way, the lockdowns that you propose didn't eradicate the virus any country.