Aruba

[Mfins]

According to https://www.visitaruba.com/news/gene...avel-to-aruba/ there was zero new detected cases from May 6 to June 28. The "Shelter in place" started on March 28. So, yeah, 6 weeks all it took to stop new virus transmissions, and then keep infected in isolation until they recover. The difficult part is that all it takes is 1 person to f**k it up for everybody else.

Also, the wealthy countries that can afford to print money and pay people to stay at home have freedoms and civil liberties that make tight lockdowns impossible. Poorer countries that have no ability to print money obviously can't have those lockdowns. And then there's China that can both print money and is a dictatorship with super-strong internal police / security apparatus to keep people locked up as long as it takes.

I agree with you except for the fact that you say it worked. If what we are talking about is completely eradicating the virus on an island it didn't work and won't because there is always going to be one person to F it up as you say. Eventually, be it in 6 weeks or 6 months people have to go outside again. Without a vaccine it won't and didn't work. All you did is delay the spread and make people suffer, go broke, lose a business they have spent a lifetime building and, maybe have mental health issues, depression etc.

[Mfins]

The goal has never ever been to eradicate the virus. It's understood that won't happen. The goal is to tamp down and control the spread of the virus to prevent the hospitals from being overwhelmed and to save lives. That's the goal, and some countries absolutely have done a much, much better job at that (Taiwan as one example) versus others (the United States as another example).

In addition, citizens of Asian countries are more used to conforming. Especially China. Asian's have been wearing masks with and without pandemics for as long as I can remember. In the home of the free we are granted certain freedoms other countries are not and, to expect US citizens to lock down for an extended period of time is not realistic. Hence, more success in other countries.

[Mfins]

The goal has never ever been to eradicate the virus. It's understood that won't happen. The goal is to tamp down and control the spread of the virus to prevent the hospitals from being overwhelmed and to save lives. That's the goal, and some countries absolutely have done a much, much better job at that (Taiwan as one example) versus others (the United States as another example).

The US did it too for about six weeks and it did give the hospitals a chance to catch up. For the most part it worked. That was the objective of the shut down as you pointed out. Somewhere along the long the narrative shifted from getting the hospitals up to speed and the virus somewhat under control to it being there can not be one person sick and if there is lock everything down indefinitely. This was never the intention (in the US).

[Lucky Strike]

According to https://www.visitaruba.com/news/gene...avel-to-aruba/ there was zero new detected cases from May 6 to June 28. The "Shelter in place" started on March 28. So, yeah, 6 weeks all it took to stop new virus transmissions, and then keep infected in isolation until they recover. The difficult part is that all it takes is 1 person to f**k it up for everybody else.

Also, the wealthy countries that can afford to print money and pay people to stay at home have freedoms and civil liberties that make tight lockdowns impossible. Poorer countries that have no ability to print money obviously can't have those lockdowns. And then there's China that can both print money and is a dictatorship with super-strong internal police / security apparatus to keep people locked up as long as it takes.

You say the entire problem is over in 6 weeks, but you're forgetting that the island would have to eventually open back up and the virus will come back in. What then? Lockdown 6 more weeks? This is not sustainable. The only way this truly works is if every single country on earth does a complete lockdown until the virus disappears, which is obviously impossible.

What you're describing has already happened back in March - June. Complete lockdown and the island was eventually COVID free and there is debate whether it was truly worth it.

There are a lot more factors to look at than just 'the numbers are high' - it is not so simple.

[Velosteraw]

If the lockdown is done properly the entire problem is over in 6 weeks. This isn't difficult.

2 weeks viral incubation, 2 weeks active virus in you, 2 weeks post active possible transmission. The virus can't live outside a human host for more than a few days.

It doesn't take a year, it only takes 6 weeks and the whole thing is basically done.

With universal masking and hygiene--this doesn't have to be too drawn out. Or we can just keep managing it for the next 18 months.

You say the entire problem is over in 6 weeks, but you're forgetting that the island would have to eventually open back up and the virus will come back in. What then? Lockdown 6 more weeks? This is not sustainable. The only way this truly works is if every single country on earth does a complete lockdown until the virus disappears, which is obviously impossible.

What you're describing has already happened back in March - June. Complete lockdown and the island was eventually COVID free and there is debate whether it was truly worth it.

There are a lot more factors to look at than just 'the numbers are high' - it is not so simple.

[The Cane]

Agree, Many countries have tried a full and complete lockdown for more then 6 weeks. It did not eradicate the virus in any place it was tried.

The goal has never ever been to eradicate the virus. It's understood that won't happen. The goal is to tamp down and control the spread of the virus to prevent the hospitals from being overwhelmed and to save lives. That's the goal, and some countries absolutely have done a much, much better job at that (Taiwan as one example) versus others (the United States as another example).

[Mfins]

11 persons in the ICU and they have increased the number of ICU beds from 6 to 33. That's 1/3 capacity.

Please refrain from using fake news to support your false narrative. Here are the links to expose your fake news:

https://www.visitaruba.com/news/gene...avel-to-aruba/

https://www.government.aw/news/news_...its_49093.html

And by the way, the lockdowns that you propose didn't eradicate the virus any country.

Agree, Many countries have tried a full and complete lockdown for more then 6 weeks. It did not eradicate the virus in any place it was tried.

[PVMonger]

If the lockdown is done properly the entire problem is over in 6 weeks. This isn't difficult.

2 weeks viral incubation, 2 weeks active virus in you, 2 weeks post active possible transmission. The virus can't live outside a human host for more than a few days.

It doesn't take a year, it only takes 6 weeks and the whole thing is basically done.

With universal masking and hygiene--this doesn't have to be too drawn out. Or we can just keep managing it for the next 18 months.

This is the first sane post I've seen on the subject. The key word though is "properly".

[ShooBree]

I don't know where you get your information. Aruba's hospital is now just about full. ICU has 1 bed left at the moment. Because they converted another room.

There is a spike in curacao and Bonaire now. So nowhere else to send people. All the doctors at the hospital just published a letter asking everyone on Aruba to shelter in place.

11 persons in the ICU and they have increased the number of ICU beds from 6 to 33. That's 1/3 capacity.

Please refrain from using fake news to support your false narrative. Here are the links to expose your fake news:

https://www.visitaruba.com/news/gene...avel-to-aruba/

https://www.government.aw/news/news_...its_49093.html

And by the way, the lockdowns that you propose didn't eradicate the virus any country.

[Just Incognito]

You can't just lockdown until this is all over. The goal of a country (and most importantly, one like Aruba that relies heavily on tourism) is to keep the economy as open as possible while not overwhelming the health system. In Aruba's case the ICU beds are only at 33% capacity and (hopefully) they've hit peak infections and will start flattening the curve again.

Another lockdown is not the answer, it will completely destroy the economy leading to extreme poverty. Extreme poverty will result in more deaths in the long term than COVID will ever kill on this island.

I don't know where you get your information. Aruba's hospital is now just about full. ICU has 1 bed left at the moment. Because they converted another room.

There is a spike in curacao and Bonaire now. So nowhere else to send people. All the doctors at the hospital just published a letter asking everyone on Aruba to shelter in place.

[Just Incognito]

Shutting the world down until it is 100% safe, when you emerge, you will come out to an entirely different world and not for the better (most especially the USA). I want you to think about what happens if you locked down for a year. Really think. Think of people who have less then you that need to work. I won't even mention the economic impact on govt not collecting tax money but, the mental health, suicides, drug use, depression. You think deaths are high now, lock everyone down with no job, income etc for a year. Life needs to go on. It has too. Shutting everything down is not the answer. With that being said I hope you are practicing what you preach and have not left your house since March. Somehow, I doubt it. I also somehow believe you are financially secure so its easy to say lock down. Just as its easy for the politicians to implement lock downs when they are still collecting pay checks.

If the lockdown is done properly the entire problem is over in 6 weeks. This isn't difficult.

2 weeks viral incubation, 2 weeks active virus in you, 2 weeks post active possible transmission. The virus can't live outside a human host for more than a few days.

It doesn't take a year, it only takes 6 weeks and the whole thing is basically done.

With universal masking and hygiene--this doesn't have to be too drawn out. Or we can just keep managing it for the next 18 months.

[Velosteraw]

This is the exact wrong approach and way of thinking. Its logic like this that explains why America has 4% of the global population and 22% of the covid death.

It doesn't matter if the spread is among the locals: A: tourists may be interacting with the locals and get infected while in Aruba--that's not helping the total situation. Be. Tourists take up space and resources on the island and increase the overall commercial traffic on the island-which isn't helping anyone.

People, just stay home. For a few months. Wear masks, stay distant. And lets HELP get this under control--not be part of the problem because of some selfish self centered myopic view that's all about 'me' instead of 'we'.

2000 cases on Aruba. The island should go into a full lockdown now--that will be fun for tourists.

I hope they lockdown. There is no wealth without health. Reducing transmission of covid needs to be he #1 priority.

You can't just lockdown until this is all over. The goal of a country (and most importantly, one like Aruba that relies heavily on tourism) is to keep the economy as open as possible while not overwhelming the health system. In Aruba's case the ICU beds are only at 33% capacity and (hopefully) they've hit peak infections and will start flattening the curve again.

Another lockdown is not the answer, it will completely destroy the economy leading to extreme poverty. Extreme poverty will result in more deaths in the long term than COVID will ever kill on this island.

[Mfins]

This is the exact wrong approach and way of thinking. Its logic like this that explains why America has 4% of the global population and 22% of the covid death.

It doesn't matter if the spread is among the locals: A: tourists may be interacting with the locals and get infected while in Aruba--that's not helping the total situation. Be. Tourists take up space and resources on the island and increase the overall commercial traffic on the island-which isn't helping anyone.

People, just stay home. For a few months. Wear masks, stay distant. And lets HELP get this under control--not be part of the problem because of some selfish self centered myopic view that's all about 'me' instead of 'we'.

2000 cases on Aruba. The island should go into a full lockdown now--that will be fun for tourists.

I hope they lockdown. There is no wealth without health. Reducing transmission of covid needs to be he #1 priority.

Shutting the world down until it is 100% safe, when you emerge, you will come out to an entirely different world and not for the better (most especially the USA). I want you to think about what happens if you locked down for a year. Really think. Think of people who have less then you that need to work. I won't even mention the economic impact on govt not collecting tax money but, the mental health, suicides, drug use, depression. You think deaths are high now, lock everyone down with no job, income etc for a year. Life needs to go on. It has too. Shutting everything down is not the answer. With that being said I hope you are practicing what you preach and have not left your house since March. Somehow, I doubt it. I also somehow believe you are financially secure so its easy to say lock down. Just as its easy for the politicians to implement lock downs when they are still collecting pay checks.

[Just Incognito]

You make it seem like tourists are to blame. As of 9/14 only 6 active cases among visitors, down from the stagnant 13-16 from the past few weeks. The spike in cases are all locals and has been locals since the outbreak. I've not seen the visitor count go above 16/18 and that because of the quarantine hotel and catching positives at the airport. Meanwhile I see pictures of what look like locals breaking the mandates for group sizes and parties and I saw asshole to elbows right before the outbreak before the US was allowed entry.

As long as tourists adhere to the requirements, I don't see an issue having visitors. Obviously hobbling is out of the question at the moment with curfew and probably no talent, but a vacation seems fine and I've heard glowing reviews of the steps taken to mitigate transmission.

This is the exact wrong approach and way of thinking. Its logic like this that explains why America has 4% of the global population and 22% of the covid death.

It doesn't matter if the spread is among the locals: A: tourists may be interacting with the locals and get infected while in Aruba--that's not helping the total situation. Be. Tourists take up space and resources on the island and increase the overall commercial traffic on the island-which isn't helping anyone.

People, just stay home. For a few months. Wear masks, stay distant. And lets HELP get this under control--not be part of the problem because of some selfish self centered myopic view that's all about 'me' instead of 'we'.

2000 cases on Aruba. The island should go into a full lockdown now--that will be fun for tourists.

I hope they lockdown. There is no wealth without health. Reducing transmission of covid needs to be he #1 priority.

[Geffe71]

Aruba had 90 new positive cases yesterday. 1500 active now. On a small island.

People just need to stay away until they get it under control.

You make it seem like tourists are to blame. As of 9/14 only 6 active cases among visitors, down from the stagnant 13-16 from the past few weeks. The spike in cases are all locals and has been locals since the outbreak. I've not seen the visitor count go above 16/18 and that because of the quarantine hotel and catching positives at the airport. Meanwhile I see pictures of what look like locals breaking the mandates for group sizes and parties and I saw asshole to elbows right before the outbreak before the US was allowed entry.

As long as tourists adhere to the requirements, I don't see an issue having visitors. Obviously hobbling is out of the question at the moment with curfew and probably no talent, but a vacation seems fine and I've heard glowing reviews of the steps taken to mitigate transmission.